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Cartagena and Siberia are under attack by Jannisary+, Bafra, Colossal+ and Avaritia. The attack was caused by leaked logs from two Siberia tops showing that they intended to sell their bloods Avaritia and Colossal.
One hour into the war, Aeterna start their attack on Faffie and Gambino, who return fire immediately. Faffie and Gambino seemed to have detectives on Aeterna as backup for the initial attack, which was a threat that Aeterna chose to eliminate.
Avaritia is stepping up for Faffie and Gambino, shooting back at Aeterna. Persico joins the counter against Aeterna.
Summary:
Avaritia Bafra Blacksea Jannisary Colossal Colosseum → Siberia Cartagena Colossus
Aeterna Lusa Benaboys ↔ Faffie Gambino
Persico → Aeterna
Trafficante Outlawz → Lusa
Colossal → Persico Krays
Jannisary Darkside → Trafficante
One hour into the war, Aeterna start their attack on Faffie and Gambino, who return fire immediately. Faffie and Gambino seemed to have detectives on Aeterna as backup for the initial attack, which was a threat that Aeterna chose to eliminate.
Avaritia is stepping up for Faffie and Gambino, shooting back at Aeterna. Persico joins the counter against Aeterna.
Summary:
Avaritia Bafra Blacksea Jannisary Colossal Colosseum → Siberia Cartagena Colossus
Aeterna Lusa Benaboys ↔ Faffie Gambino
Persico → Aeterna
Trafficante Outlawz → Lusa
Colossal → Persico Krays
Jannisary Darkside → Trafficante
statements
H`HMD (Top Colossal)
Well, where do I start. We were asked to shoot Avaritia last night with one of our bloods, while Siberia and Cartagena would hit another family. We agreed to that plan since it would be the next logical step for us in this version. Shortly after we received logs about Siberia and Cartagena having a secret 'as one' deal and them trying to get families to suicide on us shortly after we would hit Avaritia to secure their Hall of Fame stars (http://pastebin.com/s8xDBP5N).
So we took matters into our own hands and organised a war on Siberia/Cartagana, who were still thinking we would hit Avaritia. Good luck guys, you'd better have some divine intervention tonight; you're gonna need it.
Gsbaba (Top Jannisary)
<@Critycal> and they're afraid of carta's accs and that we might stab them for carta or smth
<@CloudInc> this ought to be the most cruel stab i've ever been involved in.
Yes indeed Kankas! Best stab ever. After these logs in future, if families still are continue to take that bunch of noobs as blood i will count them as brainless.
MurderInc (Top Siberia)
well, rekt.
Caesar (Top Cartagena)
That's one hell of a log I see there (http://pastebin.com/s8xDBP5N) and yet there weren't any Cartagena Tops involved in that conversation nor the planning of it. Our bad luck here is that this precise log leaked: making Cartagena look really bad, which wasn't even our own doings. As for Jannisary: they had already been planning on us because we didn't want to pay that exorbitant $180.000.000 amount of bloodmoney for an assa that was gunned down the other day. You reap what you sow ain't it? You have witnessed Alexander kill Blackout. Aut vincere aut mori. Carta o/
Well, where do I start. We were asked to shoot Avaritia last night with one of our bloods, while Siberia and Cartagena would hit another family. We agreed to that plan since it would be the next logical step for us in this version. Shortly after we received logs about Siberia and Cartagena having a secret 'as one' deal and them trying to get families to suicide on us shortly after we would hit Avaritia to secure their Hall of Fame stars (http://pastebin.com/s8xDBP5N).
So we took matters into our own hands and organised a war on Siberia/Cartagana, who were still thinking we would hit Avaritia. Good luck guys, you'd better have some divine intervention tonight; you're gonna need it.
Gsbaba (Top Jannisary)
<@Critycal> and they're afraid of carta's accs and that we might stab them for carta or smth
<@CloudInc> this ought to be the most cruel stab i've ever been involved in.
Yes indeed Kankas! Best stab ever. After these logs in future, if families still are continue to take that bunch of noobs as blood i will count them as brainless.
MurderInc (Top Siberia)
well, rekt.
Caesar (Top Cartagena)
That's one hell of a log I see there (http://pastebin.com/s8xDBP5N) and yet there weren't any Cartagena Tops involved in that conversation nor the planning of it. Our bad luck here is that this precise log leaked: making Cartagena look really bad, which wasn't even our own doings. As for Jannisary: they had already been planning on us because we didn't want to pay that exorbitant $180.000.000 amount of bloodmoney for an assa that was gunned down the other day. You reap what you sow ain't it? You have witnessed Alexander kill Blackout. Aut vincere aut mori. Carta o/
statistics
| War started on: 19:21:03 10-01-2015 | War ended on: 20:00:04 12-01-2015 |
| Bullet difference: -24,707,826 | War duration: 2d 0h 39m |
| Money difference: -$1,088,385,329 | Players died: 265 |
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Anonymous (14:27:47 - 12-01)
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
Well, I didn't want to wash my dirty laundry in public. But I guess you're right, and people might be interested in reading the other perspective on this issue. Besides, you reap what you sow, so let's have some fun.
It's an open secret in this game that families sometimes take bloods only for tactical reasons or to shoot some common enemy, only to get rid of them later. Usually this is done in a way that allows the family to plausibly deny any involvement in such plans, which would have happened in this case if it weren't for the leak. Not that anyone who's been at it long enough would actually believe we weren't involved, but officially we would have saved face.
As some of you might know, I've been topping at both Faffie and Siberia in the past (my first .com family being Faffie and my first .nl family being Siberia [back then with a different name, but the same "core" tops], after Faffie retired a few versions ago and Siberia moved to .com, I continued to top there on .com). This version was slightly awkward for me since Faffie came back and Siberia was active as well - but luckily I decided to sit this version out since I didn't have time to play anyway, so it wasn't much of a big deal.
I've had some conversations with Fenrir on this version where he essentially stated that he wasn't happy with how it was going and that he couldn't wait to die. He also said that he hated Colossal and wanted to shoot them.
So later on, when I heard about the plans on Avaritia, I decided to approach him and ask how serious he was about shooting Colossal and that I might have a setup that allowed Faffie (and possibly other shooters interested) to do a nice amount of damage (definitely more than they would've been able to do in a "normal" war). (By the way, this was pretty much the only thing I did this version - I'm very proud.)
I also said that this was of course mostly for Siberia's benefit, since it would give us an easy way to get rid of an unwanted blood and reduce the number of families we would end the version with. I'm not gonna lie and say that the HoF wasn't a motive as well, although we could've probably gotten that anyway through our secret as1. During this conversation I even said that I would understand (although of course not be happy about) if he'd chose not to go along with this, and instead, for example, go to Avaritia with the plan on them and hit Colossal and maybe Aeterna before those families had time to act. Such a plan would've had to involve Siberia too of course, at least as backup. And I guess if the intent was to have a more interesting version, that would've definitely done the job.
Fenrir pretty much agreed to this plan at that point, and we fleshed out some of the details in the lovely log you've probably all read by now.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
Anyway, first of all sorry to our members for another fucked up version. All I can say to you is that we tried to get a win that wasn't yet another version with half the playerbase still alive on reset day and, well, that kinda backfired.
Sorry to our bloods, to Cartagena and even most of our tops who weren't aware of any of this and got dragged into this mess without having a choice.
tl;dr
rekt. sorry.
ntnwtxd at 23:42:47 on 11/01:
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
It's an open secret in this game that families sometimes take bloods only for tactical reasons or to shoot some common enemy, only to get rid of them later. Usually this is done in a way that allows the family to plausibly deny any involvement in such plans, which would have happened in this case if it weren't for the leak. Not that anyone who's been at it long enough would actually believe we weren't involved, but officially we would have saved face.
As some of you might know, I've been topping at both Faffie and Siberia in the past (my first .com family being Faffie and my first .nl family being Siberia [back then with a different name, but the same "core" tops], after Faffie retired a few versions ago and Siberia moved to .com, I continued to top there on .com). This version was slightly awkward for me since Faffie came back and Siberia was active as well - but luckily I decided to sit this version out since I didn't have time to play anyway, so it wasn't much of a big deal.
I've had some conversations with Fenrir on this version where he essentially stated that he wasn't happy with how it was going and that he couldn't wait to die. He also said that he hated Colossal and wanted to shoot them.
So later on, when I heard about the plans on Avaritia, I decided to approach him and ask how serious he was about shooting Colossal and that I might have a setup that allowed Faffie (and possibly other shooters interested) to do a nice amount of damage (definitely more than they would've been able to do in a "normal" war). (By the way, this was pretty much the only thing I did this version - I'm very proud.)
I also said that this was of course mostly for Siberia's benefit, since it would give us an easy way to get rid of an unwanted blood and reduce the number of families we would end the version with. I'm not gonna lie and say that the HoF wasn't a motive as well, although we could've probably gotten that anyway through our secret as1. During this conversation I even said that I would understand (although of course not be happy about) if he'd chose not to go along with this, and instead, for example, go to Avaritia with the plan on them and hit Colossal and maybe Aeterna before those families had time to act. Such a plan would've had to involve Siberia too of course, at least as backup. And I guess if the intent was to have a more interesting version, that would've definitely done the job.
Fenrir pretty much agreed to this plan at that point, and we fleshed out some of the details in the lovely log you've probably all read by now.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
Anyway, first of all sorry to our members for another fucked up version. All I can say to you is that we tried to get a win that wasn't yet another version with half the playerbase still alive on reset day and, well, that kinda backfired.
Sorry to our bloods, to Cartagena and even most of our tops who weren't aware of any of this and got dragged into this mess without having a choice.
tl;dr
rekt. sorry.
Last versions we havent really been around. We came back this version, were fairly inactive and just wanted to have some fun. Due to the blooding between the topfams we litterally saw no way to shoot or even be a part of this game without dying within seconds. Which is fucking shitty. Litterally you had one so very dominant side the other part couldnt play the game at all. Eitherways i perfectly know i alienated myself by showing those logs, heck ive gone around with a bad feeling ever since. I told you before the version started that you should play with Siberia since we werent really gonna be active or anything. Suddenly showing up 4weeks into a version asking us kindly to kill ourselves shooting your own blood, killing another, knowing we'd die possibly killing maybe 2-3 accs to lower their famworth slightly, thats not exactly fair done either. Heck we didnt even know you were playing before then.
And knowing you had: Colossal, Aeterna, Avaritia, Gambino, Scudetto and probably a few more "secret bloods" along with Cartagena as "secret as1"(new term for me) i found it rather insane that we should help this mad cesspool of bloods when we've always tried fighting against it. Regarding the "secret as1" they had their individual bloods also right? So thats a new set of ties for you, how were you gonna solve that? Tell them you were as1s when it suited you, and when not... Kill them too? What blood would i be to my other bloods if i did this for Siberia, who i honestly had no bloodties or anything whatsoever to this version, heck i hadnt talked to anyone in Siberia since version started. Its always been versions where you gangbang, or where you get gangbanged. Imo its not a fair excuse to go totally overboard playing like this.
Anyways, on a personal level its a fucking shame for me. Honestly i dont care about what others may say about those logs or not, i wish it could have been done otherwise, but i honestly dont think so. I perfectly know i put my own head on the choppingblock, alienating myself to some and the complete opposite to others. In the end the only one i feel deep regret to is MurderInc. The dude has litterally been the best top ive played with, and a big reason of making Faffie what it was, probably the most influental in our way to the top due to his activity and dedication. I didnt do it for own personal gain, and heck, i did not do it for Colossal thats for sure. I've been so tired of seeing this "the best vs the rest" style of playing, I mean, the moment Purgatory went down your version was won and it was almost a race between the topfams between who could get the most famworth, or who could shoot with minimum amounts of casualties, cause you know the job was mostly done already. You had no threats among the other top fams, and no families capable of harming you the slightest. I KNOW i have a selective perception, but i do not think we played like this.
In the end its a mafiagame, shady moves being part of it. Its not they way i wouldve liked it to go down but i still feel it was kind of necessary. Your omerta carriers aint over, memory lasts short in this game and you guys have too big positions in this game to call it quits because of something like this.
Anonymous (12:48:13 - 12-01)
I am on Colossal's side this version, but I can only applaud and respect Siberia's attempt to turn the version around. It didn't work out this time, but it's part of real world Gangster situations as well.
Anyone who's ever watched any mafia/ganster movie or tv show will have seen a backstab or betrayal of some sort.
Versions have been easy and boring for the past couple of years, ending with sometimes over 10 families. This attempt was something new for a change.
This is why I think Siberia should get credit, not hatred, for their attempt to backstab Colossal and take this version as a victory.
On the other hand I think Colossal got both lucky that they received the logs, but acted really well with the intell they received. They managed to completly surprise Siberia and co.
Anyone who's ever watched any mafia/ganster movie or tv show will have seen a backstab or betrayal of some sort.
Versions have been easy and boring for the past couple of years, ending with sometimes over 10 families. This attempt was something new for a change.
This is why I think Siberia should get credit, not hatred, for their attempt to backstab Colossal and take this version as a victory.
On the other hand I think Colossal got both lucky that they received the logs, but acted really well with the intell they received. They managed to completly surprise Siberia and co.
Solstice at 12:21:13 on 12/01:
Sounds like my mom guilttripping me ;( .
Aart at 11:59:20 on 12/01:
I wasn't mad saartje, just disappointed.
right in the feels
Saros`away at 11:44:25 on 12/01:
Does this mean you're not mad at me anymore either Aartknk? :(
Aart at 11:13:48 on 12/01:
I can imagine you being dumbstruck by the leak, my face was like :OOO ... i imagine yours like :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I have been on the opposite side of the gun from you ingame since ever and i sincerely don't think you or any other sib top have to publicly excuse or clarify your actions for anything. If anyone's omerta career was ruined this week its your old pal Fenrir and not you guys. This game is played shady and ppl should deal with it.
Ingame i consider you (and crit) as dicks ;( cause reasons, but i'll sure miss to see you guys around in case you decide it ends here.
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
I have been on the opposite side of the gun from you ingame since ever and i sincerely don't think you or any other sib top have to publicly excuse or clarify your actions for anything. If anyone's omerta career was ruined this week its your old pal Fenrir and not you guys. This game is played shady and ppl should deal with it.
Ingame i consider you (and crit) as dicks ;( cause reasons, but i'll sure miss to see you guys around in case you decide it ends here.
Does this mean you're not mad at me anymore either Aartknk? :(
right in the feels
Sounds like my mom guilttripping me ;( .
He does somewhat have a point, slightly, but he knows how bad I feel about it aswell :(
Solstice (12:21:13 - 12-01)
Aart at 11:59:20 on 12/01:
I wasn't mad saartje, just disappointed.
right in the feels
Saros`away at 11:44:25 on 12/01:
Does this mean you're not mad at me anymore either Aartknk? :(
Aart at 11:13:48 on 12/01:
I can imagine you being dumbstruck by the leak, my face was like :OOO ... i imagine yours like :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I have been on the opposite side of the gun from you ingame since ever and i sincerely don't think you or any other sib top have to publicly excuse or clarify your actions for anything. If anyone's omerta career was ruined this week its your old pal Fenrir and not you guys. This game is played shady and ppl should deal with it.
Ingame i consider you (and crit) as dicks ;( cause reasons, but i'll sure miss to see you guys around in case you decide it ends here.
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
I have been on the opposite side of the gun from you ingame since ever and i sincerely don't think you or any other sib top have to publicly excuse or clarify your actions for anything. If anyone's omerta career was ruined this week its your old pal Fenrir and not you guys. This game is played shady and ppl should deal with it.
Ingame i consider you (and crit) as dicks ;( cause reasons, but i'll sure miss to see you guys around in case you decide it ends here.
Does this mean you're not mad at me anymore either Aartknk? :(
right in the feels
Sounds like my mom guilttripping me ;( .
Aart (11:59:20 - 12-01)
Saros`away at 11:44:25 on 12/01:
Does this mean you're not mad at me anymore either Aartknk? :(
Aart at 11:13:48 on 12/01:
I can imagine you being dumbstruck by the leak, my face was like :OOO ... i imagine yours like :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I have been on the opposite side of the gun from you ingame since ever and i sincerely don't think you or any other sib top have to publicly excuse or clarify your actions for anything. If anyone's omerta career was ruined this week its your old pal Fenrir and not you guys. This game is played shady and ppl should deal with it.
Ingame i consider you (and crit) as dicks ;( cause reasons, but i'll sure miss to see you guys around in case you decide it ends here.
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
I have been on the opposite side of the gun from you ingame since ever and i sincerely don't think you or any other sib top have to publicly excuse or clarify your actions for anything. If anyone's omerta career was ruined this week its your old pal Fenrir and not you guys. This game is played shady and ppl should deal with it.
Ingame i consider you (and crit) as dicks ;( cause reasons, but i'll sure miss to see you guys around in case you decide it ends here.
Does this mean you're not mad at me anymore either Aartknk? :(
right in the feels
Aart at 11:13:48 on 12/01:
I can imagine you being dumbstruck by the leak, my face was like :OOO ... i imagine yours like :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I have been on the opposite side of the gun from you ingame since ever and i sincerely don't think you or any other sib top have to publicly excuse or clarify your actions for anything. If anyone's omerta career was ruined this week its your old pal Fenrir and not you guys. This game is played shady and ppl should deal with it.
Ingame i consider you (and crit) as dicks ;( cause reasons, but i'll sure miss to see you guys around in case you decide it ends here.
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
I have been on the opposite side of the gun from you ingame since ever and i sincerely don't think you or any other sib top have to publicly excuse or clarify your actions for anything. If anyone's omerta career was ruined this week its your old pal Fenrir and not you guys. This game is played shady and ppl should deal with it.
Ingame i consider you (and crit) as dicks ;( cause reasons, but i'll sure miss to see you guys around in case you decide it ends here.
Does this mean you're not mad at me anymore either Aartknk? :(
Aart (11:13:48 - 12-01)
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
I have been on the opposite side of the gun from you ingame since ever and i sincerely don't think you or any other sib top have to publicly excuse or clarify your actions for anything. If anyone's omerta career was ruined this week its your old pal Fenrir and not you guys. This game is played shady and ppl should deal with it.
Ingame i consider you (and crit) as dicks ;( cause reasons, but i'll sure miss to see you guys around in case you decide it ends here.
Anonymous (10:11:59 - 12-01)
Nuke at 04:58:33 on 12/01:
MurderInc doesn't hide his identity. That shows me that some people trust him enough to work with him, regardless of his fuck ups. I'd work with him if he ever committed to leading an "independent" family (A family not belonging to one of the alliances).
Jimbo at 02:35:40 on 12/01:
It's hard to say anyone would ever want to blood Siberia again, but at least you seemed honest about your story and I can respect that.
It's hard to say anyone would ever want to blood Siberia again, but at least you seemed honest about your story and I can respect that.
MurderInc doesn't hide his identity. That shows me that some people trust him enough to work with him, regardless of his fuck ups. I'd work with him if he ever committed to leading an "independent" family (A family not belonging to one of the alliances).
And your family is never blooded to an alliance family? If he'd be independent he wouldn't be able to blood you either.
Jimbo at 02:35:40 on 12/01:
It's hard to say anyone would ever want to blood Siberia again, but at least you seemed honest about your story and I can respect that.
It's hard to say anyone would ever want to blood Siberia again, but at least you seemed honest about your story and I can respect that.
MurderInc doesn't hide his identity. That shows me that some people trust him enough to work with him, regardless of his fuck ups. I'd work with him if he ever committed to leading an "independent" family (A family not belonging to one of the alliances).
Marcus Penn (03:20:40 - 12-01)
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility.
To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility.
Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups..
Now some one kill Casey Ryback
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
Well, I didn't want to wash my dirty laundry in public. But I guess you're right, and people might be interested in reading the other perspective on this issue. Besides, you reap what you sow, so let's have some fun.
It's an open secret in this game that families sometimes take bloods only for tactical reasons or to shoot some common enemy, only to get rid of them later. Usually this is done in a way that allows the family to plausibly deny any involvement in such plans, which would have happened in this case if it weren't for the leak. Not that anyone who's been at it long enough would actually believe we weren't involved, but officially we would have saved face.
As some of you might know, I've been topping at both Faffie and Siberia in the past (my first .com family being Faffie and my first .nl family being Siberia [back then with a different name, but the same "core" tops], after Faffie retired a few versions ago and Siberia moved to .com, I continued to top there on .com). This version was slightly awkward for me since Faffie came back and Siberia was active as well - but luckily I decided to sit this version out since I didn't have time to play anyway, so it wasn't much of a big deal.
I've had some conversations with Fenrir on this version where he essentially stated that he wasn't happy with how it was going and that he couldn't wait to die. He also said that he hated Colossal and wanted to shoot them.
So later on, when I heard about the plans on Avaritia, I decided to approach him and ask how serious he was about shooting Colossal and that I might have a setup that allowed Faffie (and possibly other shooters interested) to do a nice amount of damage (definitely more than they would've been able to do in a "normal" war). (By the way, this was pretty much the only thing I did this version - I'm very proud.)
I also said that this was of course mostly for Siberia's benefit, since it would give us an easy way to get rid of an unwanted blood and reduce the number of families we would end the version with. I'm not gonna lie and say that the HoF wasn't a motive as well, although we could've probably gotten that anyway through our secret as1. During this conversation I even said that I would understand (although of course not be happy about) if he'd chose not to go along with this, and instead, for example, go to Avaritia with the plan on them and hit Colossal and maybe Aeterna before those families had time to act. Such a plan would've had to involve Siberia too of course, at least as backup. And I guess if the intent was to have a more interesting version, that would've definitely done the job.
Fenrir pretty much agreed to this plan at that point, and we fleshed out some of the details in the lovely log you've probably all read by now.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
Anyway, first of all sorry to our members for another fucked up version. All I can say to you is that we tried to get a win that wasn't yet another version with half the playerbase still alive on reset day and, well, that kinda backfired.
Sorry to our bloods, to Cartagena and even most of our tops who weren't aware of any of this and got dragged into this mess without having a choice.
tl;dr
rekt. sorry.
ntnwtxd at 23:42:47 on 11/01:
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
It's an open secret in this game that families sometimes take bloods only for tactical reasons or to shoot some common enemy, only to get rid of them later. Usually this is done in a way that allows the family to plausibly deny any involvement in such plans, which would have happened in this case if it weren't for the leak. Not that anyone who's been at it long enough would actually believe we weren't involved, but officially we would have saved face.
As some of you might know, I've been topping at both Faffie and Siberia in the past (my first .com family being Faffie and my first .nl family being Siberia [back then with a different name, but the same "core" tops], after Faffie retired a few versions ago and Siberia moved to .com, I continued to top there on .com). This version was slightly awkward for me since Faffie came back and Siberia was active as well - but luckily I decided to sit this version out since I didn't have time to play anyway, so it wasn't much of a big deal.
I've had some conversations with Fenrir on this version where he essentially stated that he wasn't happy with how it was going and that he couldn't wait to die. He also said that he hated Colossal and wanted to shoot them.
So later on, when I heard about the plans on Avaritia, I decided to approach him and ask how serious he was about shooting Colossal and that I might have a setup that allowed Faffie (and possibly other shooters interested) to do a nice amount of damage (definitely more than they would've been able to do in a "normal" war). (By the way, this was pretty much the only thing I did this version - I'm very proud.)
I also said that this was of course mostly for Siberia's benefit, since it would give us an easy way to get rid of an unwanted blood and reduce the number of families we would end the version with. I'm not gonna lie and say that the HoF wasn't a motive as well, although we could've probably gotten that anyway through our secret as1. During this conversation I even said that I would understand (although of course not be happy about) if he'd chose not to go along with this, and instead, for example, go to Avaritia with the plan on them and hit Colossal and maybe Aeterna before those families had time to act. Such a plan would've had to involve Siberia too of course, at least as backup. And I guess if the intent was to have a more interesting version, that would've definitely done the job.
Fenrir pretty much agreed to this plan at that point, and we fleshed out some of the details in the lovely log you've probably all read by now.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
Anyway, first of all sorry to our members for another fucked up version. All I can say to you is that we tried to get a win that wasn't yet another version with half the playerbase still alive on reset day and, well, that kinda backfired.
Sorry to our bloods, to Cartagena and even most of our tops who weren't aware of any of this and got dragged into this mess without having a choice.
tl;dr
rekt. sorry.
It's hard to say anyone would ever want to blood Siberia again, but at least you seemed honest about your story and I can respect that.
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
tl;dr
rekt. sorry.
tl;dr
rekt. sorry.
Wouldn't want to repeat the entire story but I second everything that was stated here.
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
tl;dr
rekt. sorry.
tl;dr
rekt. sorry.
Proud Siberian dupe #134 aproves this message.
ntnwtxd at 23:42:47 on 11/01:
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
It's an open secret in this game that families sometimes take bloods only for tactical reasons or to shoot some common enemy, only to get rid of them later. Usually this is done in a way that allows the family to plausibly deny any involvement in such plans, which would have happened in this case if it weren't for the leak. Not that anyone who's been at it long enough would actually believe we weren't involved, but officially we would have saved face.
As some of you might know, I've been topping at both Faffie and Siberia in the past (my first .com family being Faffie and my first .nl family being Siberia [back then with a different name, but the same "core" tops], after Faffie retired a few versions ago and Siberia moved to .com, I continued to top there on .com). This version was slightly awkward for me since Faffie came back and Siberia was active as well - but luckily I decided to sit this version out since I didn't have time to play anyway, so it wasn't much of a big deal.
I've had some conversations with Fenrir on this version where he essentially stated that he wasn't happy with how it was going and that he couldn't wait to die. He also said that he hated Colossal and wanted to shoot them.
So later on, when I heard about the plans on Avaritia, I decided to approach him and ask how serious he was about shooting Colossal and that I might have a setup that allowed Faffie (and possibly other shooters interested) to do a nice amount of damage (definitely more than they would've been able to do in a "normal" war). (By the way, this was pretty much the only thing I did this version - I'm very proud.)
I also said that this was of course mostly for Siberia's benefit, since it would give us an easy way to get rid of an unwanted blood and reduce the number of families we would end the version with. I'm not gonna lie and say that the HoF wasn't a motive as well, although we could've probably gotten that anyway through our secret as1. During this conversation I even said that I would understand (although of course not be happy about) if he'd chose not to go along with this, and instead, for example, go to Avaritia with the plan on them and hit Colossal and maybe Aeterna before those families had time to act. Such a plan would've had to involve Siberia too of course, at least as backup. And I guess if the intent was to have a more interesting version, that would've definitely done the job.
Fenrir pretty much agreed to this plan at that point, and we fleshed out some of the details in the lovely log you've probably all read by now.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
Anyway, first of all sorry to our members for another fucked up version. All I can say to you is that we tried to get a win that wasn't yet another version with half the playerbase still alive on reset day and, well, that kinda backfired.
Sorry to our bloods, to Cartagena and even most of our tops who weren't aware of any of this and got dragged into this mess without having a choice.
tl;dr
rekt. sorry.
ntnwtxd at 23:42:47 on 11/01:
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
As a proud siberian dupe (#134 if you're wondering) I was not insulted by his top statement.
Anonymous (00:00:19 - 12-01)
I swear you are an idiot for even asking fenir to shoot his bum boys they the same tops been bumming each other ever since there faffie days ie when they was all in faffie not Red not Co W's aretina or what Eva there shirty name is let's face it since you bum chums have been on the scene and the same idiots join the same family every version there getting shorter and shorter bring back old family ranking systems and stop the same shot happening every 3 months with this family system people don't make fams they just join the same one ova and ova long story short don't ask the bum boys to shoot the cock that feeds them!!!! UK asking to get shot
ntnwtxd (23:42:47 - 11-01)
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
Anonymous at 23:07:18 on 11/01:
gambino-enfoire was unrelated. it was on same aticle aswell don't tell bullshit
MurderInc at 22:51:17 on 11/01:
The Aeterna ↔ Faffie war was triggered by the first attack, so that's why it's the same article. We don't write multiple war articles on the same day unless they're completely unrelated. I've kept the original attackers red and the original defenders green, and everything else black. We don't have any other way to format the "Involved families" part unfortunately, so you will have to rely on the article text which states who's shooting who. If you can come up with something better, please share so I can steal it.
Anonymous at 22:14:45 on 11/01:
Somehow I find this war a bit confusing with all the Grey/Black families.
Can someone explain to me, how those fams are related to the war?
If they are not, why didn't get that Aeterna-Faffie thing get a new topic of its own?
Somehow I find this war a bit confusing with all the Grey/Black families.
Can someone explain to me, how those fams are related to the war?
If they are not, why didn't get that Aeterna-Faffie thing get a new topic of its own?
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc
Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.
What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!
Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
It's an open secret in this game that families sometimes take bloods only for tactical reasons or to shoot some common enemy, only to get rid of them later. Usually this is done in a way that allows the family to plausibly deny any involvement in such plans, which would have happened in this case if it weren't for the leak. Not that anyone who's been at it long enough would actually believe we weren't involved, but officially we would have saved face.
As some of you might know, I've been topping at both Faffie and Siberia in the past (my first .com family being Faffie and my first .nl family being Siberia [back then with a different name, but the same "core" tops], after Faffie retired a few versions ago and Siberia moved to .com, I continued to top there on .com). This version was slightly awkward for me since Faffie came back and Siberia was active as well - but luckily I decided to sit this version out since I didn't have time to play anyway, so it wasn't much of a big deal.
I've had some conversations with Fenrir on this version where he essentially stated that he wasn't happy with how it was going and that he couldn't wait to die. He also said that he hated Colossal and wanted to shoot them.
So later on, when I heard about the plans on Avaritia, I decided to approach him and ask how serious he was about shooting Colossal and that I might have a setup that allowed Faffie (and possibly other shooters interested) to do a nice amount of damage (definitely more than they would've been able to do in a "normal" war). (By the way, this was pretty much the only thing I did this version - I'm very proud.)
I also said that this was of course mostly for Siberia's benefit, since it would give us an easy way to get rid of an unwanted blood and reduce the number of families we would end the version with. I'm not gonna lie and say that the HoF wasn't a motive as well, although we could've probably gotten that anyway through our secret as1. During this conversation I even said that I would understand (although of course not be happy about) if he'd chose not to go along with this, and instead, for example, go to Avaritia with the plan on them and hit Colossal and maybe Aeterna before those families had time to act. Such a plan would've had to involve Siberia too of course, at least as backup. And I guess if the intent was to have a more interesting version, that would've definitely done the job.
Fenrir pretty much agreed to this plan at that point, and we fleshed out some of the details in the lovely log you've probably all read by now.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.
Anyway, first of all sorry to our members for another fucked up version. All I can say to you is that we tried to get a win that wasn't yet another version with half the playerbase still alive on reset day and, well, that kinda backfired.
Sorry to our bloods, to Cartagena and even most of our tops who weren't aware of any of this and got dragged into this mess without having a choice.
tl;dr
rekt. sorry.
Last versions we havent really been around. We came back this version, were fairly inactive and just wanted to have some fun. Due to the blooding between the topfams we litterally saw no way to shoot or even be a part of this game without dying within seconds. Which is fucking shitty. Litterally you had one so very dominant side the other part couldnt play the game at all. Eitherways i perfectly know i alienated myself by showing those logs, heck ive gone around with a bad feeling ever since. I told you before the version started that you should play with Siberia since we werent really gonna be active or anything. Suddenly showing up 4weeks into a version asking us kindly to kill ourselves shooting your own blood, killing another, knowing we'd die possibly killing maybe 2-3 accs to lower their famworth slightly, thats not exactly fair done either. Heck we didnt even know you were playing before then.
And knowing you had: Colossal, Aeterna, Avaritia, Gambino, Scudetto and probably a few more "secret bloods" along with Cartagena as "secret as1"(new term for me) i found it rather insane that we should help this mad cesspool of bloods when we've always tried fighting against it. Regarding the "secret as1" they had their individual bloods also right? So thats a new set of ties for you, how were you gonna solve that? Tell them you were as1s when it suited you, and when not... Kill them too? What blood would i be to my other bloods if i did this for Siberia, who i honestly had no bloodties or anything whatsoever to this version, heck i hadnt talked to anyone in Siberia since version started. Its always been versions where you gangbang, or where you get gangbanged. Imo its not a fair excuse to go totally overboard playing like this.
Anyways, on a personal level its a fucking shame for me. Honestly i dont care about what others may say about those logs or not, i wish it could have been done otherwise, but i honestly dont think so. I perfectly know i put my own head on the choppingblock, alienating myself to some and the complete opposite to others. In the end the only one i feel deep regret to is MurderInc. The dude has litterally been the best top ive played with, and a big reason of making Faffie what it was, probably the most influental in our way to the top due to his activity and dedication. I didnt do it for own personal gain, and heck, i did not do it for Colossal thats for sure. I've been so tired of seeing this "the best vs the rest" style of playing, I mean, the moment Purgatory went down your version was won and it was almost a race between the topfams between who could get the most famworth, or who could shoot with minimum amounts of casualties, cause you know the job was mostly done already. You had no threats among the other top fams, and no families capable of harming you the slightest. I KNOW i have a selective perception, but i do not think we played like this.
In the end its a mafiagame, shady moves being part of it. Its not they way i wouldve liked it to go down but i still feel it was kind of necessary. Your omerta carriers aint over, memory lasts short in this game and you guys have too big positions in this game to call it quits because of something like this.