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10-01 Keep your friends close.. or..?
Author: MurderInc
Last updated: 1427d 18h 51m 3s ago by Redspeert
Comments: 165
Views: 22,354
Votes: 1 (5 average)
Version: 4.7.2
Involved families: Avaritia, Bafra, Blacksea, Colossal, Colosseum, Jannisary, Renocenti, Cartagena, Colossus, Siberia, Aeterna, Benaboys, Darkside, Faffie, Gambino, Krays, Lusa, Outlawz, Persico, Trafficante
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Cartagena and Siberia are under attack by Jannisary+, Bafra, Colossal+ and Avaritia. The attack was caused by leaked logs from two Siberia tops showing that they intended to sell their bloods Avaritia and Colossal.

One hour into the war, Aeterna start their attack on Faffie and Gambino, who return fire immediately. Faffie and Gambino seemed to have detectives on Aeterna as backup for the initial attack, which was a threat that Aeterna chose to eliminate.
Avaritia is stepping up for Faffie and Gambino, shooting back at Aeterna. Persico joins the counter against Aeterna.

Summary:
Avaritia Bafra Blacksea Jannisary Colossal Colosseum → Siberia Cartagena Colossus

Aeterna Lusa Benaboys ↔ Faffie Gambino
Persico → Aeterna
Trafficante Outlawz → Lusa
Colossal → Persico Krays
Jannisary Darkside → Trafficante
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H`HMD (Top Colossal)
Well, where do I start. We were asked to shoot Avaritia last night with one of our bloods, while Siberia and Cartagena would hit another family. We agreed to that plan since it would be the next logical step for us in this version. Shortly after we received logs about Siberia and Cartagena having a secret 'as one' deal and them trying to get families to suicide on us shortly after we would hit Avaritia to secure their Hall of Fame stars (http://pastebin.com/s8xDBP5N).
So we took matters into our own hands and organised a war on Siberia/Cartagana, who were still thinking we would hit Avaritia. Good luck guys, you'd better have some divine intervention tonight; you're gonna need it.

Gsbaba (Top Jannisary)
<@Critycal> and they're afraid of carta's accs and that we might stab them for carta or smth
<@CloudInc> this ought to be the most cruel stab i've ever been involved in.
Yes indeed Kankas! Best stab ever. After these logs in future, if families still are continue to take that bunch of noobs as blood i will count them as brainless.

MurderInc (Top Siberia)
well, rekt.

Caesar (Top Cartagena)
That's one hell of a log I see there (http://pastebin.com/s8xDBP5N) and yet there weren't any Cartagena Tops involved in that conversation nor the planning of it. Our bad luck here is that this precise log leaked: making Cartagena look really bad, which wasn't even our own doings. As for Jannisary: they had already been planning on us because we didn't want to pay that exorbitant $180.000.000 amount of bloodmoney for an assa that was gunned down the other day. You reap what you sow ain't it? You have witnessed Alexander kill Blackout. Aut vincere aut mori. Carta o/
statistics
War started on: 19:21:03 10-01-2015 War ended on: 20:00:04 12-01-2015
Bullet difference: -24,707,826 War duration: 2d 0h 39m
Money difference: -$1,088,385,329 Players died: 265




deaths
Dead Families:
[Trafficante] Family down on 11:55 12-01
[Colossus] Family down on 18:55 11-01
Deaths per family:
Sw As LC Ch Br CD GF Points
Aeterna | swin: 2 | assa: 3 | lc: 1 | chief: 1 | brug: 17 | cd: 1 | gf: 1 | points: 303
Avaritia | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 3 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 40
Benaboys | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 7 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 91
Blacksea | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 1 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 13
Cartagena | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 1 | chief: 5 | brug: 22 | cd: 1 | gf: 0 | points: 356
Colossal | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 1 | chief: 0 | brug: 1 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 18
Colossus | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 2 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 26
Darkside | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 0 | chief: 1 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 11
Faffie | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 3 | brug: 5 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 89
Gambino | swin: 1 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 7 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 93
Jannisary | swin: 0 | assa: 2 | lc: 0 | chief: 1 | brug: 4 | cd: 0 | gf: 1 | points: 104
Krays | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 3 | chief: 3 | brug: 10 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 169
Lusa | swin: 2 | assa: 2 | lc: 2 | chief: 1 | brug: 11 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 176
Outlawz | swin: 1 | assa: 0 | lc: 1 | chief: 0 | brug: 1 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 20
Persico | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 4 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 52
Renocenti | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 2 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 27
Siberia | swin: 2 | assa: 0 | lc: 3 | chief: 2 | brug: 27 | cd: 1 | gf: 0 | points: 407
Trafficante | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 2 | chief: 5 | brug: 18 | cd: 1 | gf: 0 | points: 308
Total | swin: 8 | assa: 10 | lc: 14 | chief: 22 | brug: 142 | cd: 4 | gf: 2 | points: 2,303
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Anonymous (19:25:51 - 20-01)
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Gay Crit:D
MurderInc Austria (08:47:24 - 01-02)
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Fo real at 06:50:57 on 01/02:
Fenrir at 13:11:08 on 12/01:
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
ntnwtxd at 23:42:47 on 11/01:
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc

Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.

What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!

Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
Well, I didn't want to wash my dirty laundry in public. But I guess you're right, and people might be interested in reading the other perspective on this issue. Besides, you reap what you sow, so let's have some fun.

It's an open secret in this game that families sometimes take bloods only for tactical reasons or to shoot some common enemy, only to get rid of them later. Usually this is done in a way that allows the family to plausibly deny any involvement in such plans, which would have happened in this case if it weren't for the leak. Not that anyone who's been at it long enough would actually believe we weren't involved, but officially we would have saved face.
As some of you might know, I've been topping at both Faffie and Siberia in the past (my first .com family being Faffie and my first .nl family being Siberia [back then with a different name, but the same "core" tops], after Faffie retired a few versions ago and Siberia moved to .com, I continued to top there on .com). This version was slightly awkward for me since Faffie came back and Siberia was active as well - but luckily I decided to sit this version out since I didn't have time to play anyway, so it wasn't much of a big deal.
I've had some conversations with Fenrir on this version where he essentially stated that he wasn't happy with how it was going and that he couldn't wait to die. He also said that he hated Colossal and wanted to shoot them.
So later on, when I heard about the plans on Avaritia, I decided to approach him and ask how serious he was about shooting Colossal and that I might have a setup that allowed Faffie (and possibly other shooters interested) to do a nice amount of damage (definitely more than they would've been able to do in a "normal" war). (By the way, this was pretty much the only thing I did this version - I'm very proud.)
I also said that this was of course mostly for Siberia's benefit, since it would give us an easy way to get rid of an unwanted blood and reduce the number of families we would end the version with. I'm not gonna lie and say that the HoF wasn't a motive as well, although we could've probably gotten that anyway through our secret as1. During this conversation I even said that I would understand (although of course not be happy about) if he'd chose not to go along with this, and instead, for example, go to Avaritia with the plan on them and hit Colossal and maybe Aeterna before those families had time to act. Such a plan would've had to involve Siberia too of course, at least as backup. And I guess if the intent was to have a more interesting version, that would've definitely done the job.
Fenrir pretty much agreed to this plan at that point, and we fleshed out some of the details in the lovely log you've probably all read by now.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.

Anyway, first of all sorry to our members for another fucked up version. All I can say to you is that we tried to get a win that wasn't yet another version with half the playerbase still alive on reset day and, well, that kinda backfired.
Sorry to our bloods, to Cartagena and even most of our tops who weren't aware of any of this and got dragged into this mess without having a choice.

tl;dr
rekt. sorry.

Last versions we havent really been around. We came back this version, were fairly inactive and just wanted to have some fun. Due to the blooding between the topfams we litterally saw no way to shoot or even be a part of this game without dying within seconds. Which is fucking shitty. Litterally you had one so very dominant side the other part couldnt play the game at all. Eitherways i perfectly know i alienated myself by showing those logs, heck ive gone around with a bad feeling ever since. I told you before the version started that you should play with Siberia since we werent really gonna be active or anything. Suddenly showing up 4weeks into a version asking us kindly to kill ourselves shooting your own blood, killing another, knowing we'd die possibly killing maybe 2-3 accs to lower their famworth slightly, thats not exactly fair done either. Heck we didnt even know you were playing before then.
And knowing you had: Colossal, Aeterna, Avaritia, Gambino, Scudetto and probably a few more "secret bloods" along with Cartagena as "secret as1"(new term for me) i found it rather insane that we should help this mad cesspool of bloods when we've always tried fighting against it. Regarding the "secret as1" they had their individual bloods also right? So thats a new set of ties for you, how were you gonna solve that? Tell them you were as1s when it suited you, and when not... Kill them too? What blood would i be to my other bloods if i did this for Siberia, who i honestly had no bloodties or anything whatsoever to this version, heck i hadnt talked to anyone in Siberia since version started. Its always been versions where you gangbang, or where you get gangbanged. Imo its not a fair excuse to go totally overboard playing like this.

Anyways, on a personal level its a fucking shame for me. Honestly i dont care about what others may say about those logs or not, i wish it could have been done otherwise, but i honestly dont think so. I perfectly know i put my own head on the choppingblock, alienating myself to some and the complete opposite to others. In the end the only one i feel deep regret to is MurderInc. The dude has litterally been the best top ive played with, and a big reason of making Faffie what it was, probably the most influental in our way to the top due to his activity and dedication. I didnt do it for own personal gain, and heck, i did not do it for Colossal thats for sure. I've been so tired of seeing this "the best vs the rest" style of playing, I mean, the moment Purgatory went down your version was won and it was almost a race between the topfams between who could get the most famworth, or who could shoot with minimum amounts of casualties, cause you know the job was mostly done already. You had no threats among the other top fams, and no families capable of harming you the slightest. I KNOW i have a selective perception, but i do not think we played like this.

In the end its a mafiagame, shady moves being part of it. Its not they way i wouldve liked it to go down but i still feel it was kind of necessary. Your omerta carriers aint over, memory lasts short in this game and you guys have too big positions in this game to call it quits because of something like this.


Oh so this is how queer pact no lifers talk to each other. Damn make some pictures to go along with those fucking page long paragraphs.
welcome back, Mcgee.
Fo real (06:50:57 - 01-02)
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Fenrir at 13:11:08 on 12/01:
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
ntnwtxd at 23:42:47 on 11/01:
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc

Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.

What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!

Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
Well, I didn't want to wash my dirty laundry in public. But I guess you're right, and people might be interested in reading the other perspective on this issue. Besides, you reap what you sow, so let's have some fun.

It's an open secret in this game that families sometimes take bloods only for tactical reasons or to shoot some common enemy, only to get rid of them later. Usually this is done in a way that allows the family to plausibly deny any involvement in such plans, which would have happened in this case if it weren't for the leak. Not that anyone who's been at it long enough would actually believe we weren't involved, but officially we would have saved face.
As some of you might know, I've been topping at both Faffie and Siberia in the past (my first .com family being Faffie and my first .nl family being Siberia [back then with a different name, but the same "core" tops], after Faffie retired a few versions ago and Siberia moved to .com, I continued to top there on .com). This version was slightly awkward for me since Faffie came back and Siberia was active as well - but luckily I decided to sit this version out since I didn't have time to play anyway, so it wasn't much of a big deal.
I've had some conversations with Fenrir on this version where he essentially stated that he wasn't happy with how it was going and that he couldn't wait to die. He also said that he hated Colossal and wanted to shoot them.
So later on, when I heard about the plans on Avaritia, I decided to approach him and ask how serious he was about shooting Colossal and that I might have a setup that allowed Faffie (and possibly other shooters interested) to do a nice amount of damage (definitely more than they would've been able to do in a "normal" war). (By the way, this was pretty much the only thing I did this version - I'm very proud.)
I also said that this was of course mostly for Siberia's benefit, since it would give us an easy way to get rid of an unwanted blood and reduce the number of families we would end the version with. I'm not gonna lie and say that the HoF wasn't a motive as well, although we could've probably gotten that anyway through our secret as1. During this conversation I even said that I would understand (although of course not be happy about) if he'd chose not to go along with this, and instead, for example, go to Avaritia with the plan on them and hit Colossal and maybe Aeterna before those families had time to act. Such a plan would've had to involve Siberia too of course, at least as backup. And I guess if the intent was to have a more interesting version, that would've definitely done the job.
Fenrir pretty much agreed to this plan at that point, and we fleshed out some of the details in the lovely log you've probably all read by now.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.

Anyway, first of all sorry to our members for another fucked up version. All I can say to you is that we tried to get a win that wasn't yet another version with half the playerbase still alive on reset day and, well, that kinda backfired.
Sorry to our bloods, to Cartagena and even most of our tops who weren't aware of any of this and got dragged into this mess without having a choice.

tl;dr
rekt. sorry.

Last versions we havent really been around. We came back this version, were fairly inactive and just wanted to have some fun. Due to the blooding between the topfams we litterally saw no way to shoot or even be a part of this game without dying within seconds. Which is fucking shitty. Litterally you had one so very dominant side the other part couldnt play the game at all. Eitherways i perfectly know i alienated myself by showing those logs, heck ive gone around with a bad feeling ever since. I told you before the version started that you should play with Siberia since we werent really gonna be active or anything. Suddenly showing up 4weeks into a version asking us kindly to kill ourselves shooting your own blood, killing another, knowing we'd die possibly killing maybe 2-3 accs to lower their famworth slightly, thats not exactly fair done either. Heck we didnt even know you were playing before then.
And knowing you had: Colossal, Aeterna, Avaritia, Gambino, Scudetto and probably a few more "secret bloods" along with Cartagena as "secret as1"(new term for me) i found it rather insane that we should help this mad cesspool of bloods when we've always tried fighting against it. Regarding the "secret as1" they had their individual bloods also right? So thats a new set of ties for you, how were you gonna solve that? Tell them you were as1s when it suited you, and when not... Kill them too? What blood would i be to my other bloods if i did this for Siberia, who i honestly had no bloodties or anything whatsoever to this version, heck i hadnt talked to anyone in Siberia since version started. Its always been versions where you gangbang, or where you get gangbanged. Imo its not a fair excuse to go totally overboard playing like this.

Anyways, on a personal level its a fucking shame for me. Honestly i dont care about what others may say about those logs or not, i wish it could have been done otherwise, but i honestly dont think so. I perfectly know i put my own head on the choppingblock, alienating myself to some and the complete opposite to others. In the end the only one i feel deep regret to is MurderInc. The dude has litterally been the best top ive played with, and a big reason of making Faffie what it was, probably the most influental in our way to the top due to his activity and dedication. I didnt do it for own personal gain, and heck, i did not do it for Colossal thats for sure. I've been so tired of seeing this "the best vs the rest" style of playing, I mean, the moment Purgatory went down your version was won and it was almost a race between the topfams between who could get the most famworth, or who could shoot with minimum amounts of casualties, cause you know the job was mostly done already. You had no threats among the other top fams, and no families capable of harming you the slightest. I KNOW i have a selective perception, but i do not think we played like this.

In the end its a mafiagame, shady moves being part of it. Its not they way i wouldve liked it to go down but i still feel it was kind of necessary. Your omerta carriers aint over, memory lasts short in this game and you guys have too big positions in this game to call it quits because of something like this.


Oh so this is how queer pact no lifers talk to each other. Damn make some pictures to go along with those fucking page long paragraphs.
MurderInc Austria (18:54:43 - 16-01)
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see, told you bramble would jump for us. just took a while.
Anonymous (20:39:01 - 14-01)
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[21:06:29] <Battalgazi> gkn selam o/
[21:06:35] <Gkn> as
[21:06:41] <Battalgazi> tesuf ederim sana
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[21:08:12] <Gkn> daha yeni toplandiniz
[21:08:21] <Gkn> sizin memberlari bile ben kendim korudum
[21:08:31] <Gkn> pb duser yakinda
[21:08:32] <Battalgazi> biz yikildiktan hemen sonra kurduk da millet saga sola girdi
[21:08:35] <Gkn> onuda siz alrisiniz
[21:08:35] <Battalgazi> aynen dedigin gibi
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[21:10:27] <Gkn> aynen
[21:10:29] <Gkn> :D
MurderInc Austria (19:56:23 - 12-01)
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Anonymous at 19:26:42 on 12/01:
MurderInc at 16:59:52 on 12/01:
Anonymous at 15:54:17 on 12/01:
MurderInc at 23:08:39 on 11/01:
Anonymous at 22:56:55 on 11/01:
Then your article should at least give a short summary how that other war is related to the first.

Either Aeterna or Faffie better Green or Red like blooded/related to the original war.

The way you have written this article it's not really conclusive.
I would suggest you ignore the colors completely. I assume most people have the mental capacity to read the article where you can see exactly who is shooting who. It's not possible to display this setup:
Avaritia Bafra Blacksea Jannisary Colossal Colosseum → Siberia Cartagena Colossus
Aeterna Lusa Benaboys ↔ Faffie Gambino
Persico → Aeterna
Trafficante Outlawz → Lusa
Colossal → Persico Krays
Jannisary Darkside → Trafficante


After you added this small, but somewhat important sentence.

Faffie and Gambino seemed to have detectives on Aeterna as backup for the initial attack, which was a threat that Aeterna chose to eliminate.

This article becomes so much clearer. Was it really that difficult to write that sentence?
No, don't answer. It might make your
mental capacity to actually write a comprehendable war article
even more limited.


... with just three colors. Especially since we have families shooting both sides. The color system works for simpler wars with 2 sides and maybe a small side-kick of a war, but not for something like this.

Anyway, I know I'm repeating myself, but please contact reporters directly if something is missing/unclear/whatever. I'm sure people are getting sick of reading the same "boohoo crappy article" comments again and again. We're all quite easily approachable, and if your intent is to clarify something (instead of just being a drama queen - that's for the little shit who wrote "yep the state of the reports here is almost as bad as the game itself" earlier), that's the better way to do it.

I'll add some more info about Aeterna ↔ Faffie.

If Gambino-Faffie were indeed back up shooters for the attackers, and you want to keep it in one article, how about making Gambino and Faffie Red?
Again, grey/black should always be the last resort for a war article, if you really can't place a Family in neither attackers nor defenders, likesay if they shoot on all sides.

Your articles have a tendency to overuse that category, which makes them incomprehendable if you are not really involved in the wars/game play. Especially if you fail to make it clear in the actual written article how those families are involved.
Making Gambino/Faffie red would imply they shot at Siberia or Cartagena, which to my knowledge was not the case. It would also imply that Aeterna, who would have to be put on the green side in that case, was somehow countering for Siberia, which is also not the case and which could have lead to a lot of confusion and possibly even altered the war if some not-so-smart top saw it without actually checking what the setup was. As for me overusing the black category: Out of the 24 war articles I've written for this site, only 4 included black families (2 with 1 black family, 1 with 4 and then this one.)

I try to include a full list of who's shooting who with every article I write, and that should resolve any initial confusion. I'm sorry that most wars aren't just black and white (or rather red and green) and might require people do read a few more sentences to fully understand what's going on. I don't think it's something you really have to bring up in every war that has more than 2 families on the black side (I'm aware of the fact that you're the same person who complained about it before. Maybe find a new hobby?)

How about picking a some writing lessons?

I mean smul, Redspeert, Donalo, all of them manage(d) to come up with easy to read articles.
Whoever it was, that complained about the war articles going the same way as the game itself, actually has a point.
As you so were pointing out so eagerly before, you can easily check/verify, that was indeed somebody else.

Next time just split this it's-a-non-related-counter into another article, or to the very least
give informations like
Faffie and Gambino seemed to have detectives on Aeterna as backup for the initial attack, which was a threat that Aeterna chose to eliminate.
From the getgo.
My original complaint was about the way that article was written before.
Which basically stated after an hour into the war Aeterna opened fire on Faffie-Gambino.

No further information about the why given.

IF you had managed to write that Gambino-Faffie had dets on Aeterna as back up shooters, then your whole article would have actually made sense. If you can't really see how that is not just poorly written, but just plainly confusing, then you are beyond help (no pun intended).
Well, as you have seen I added the part as soon as someone complained. So why do you feel the need to keep going and going on the same issue? Seriously, find a new hobby or get some professional help. I don't necessarily have every bit of information right away, and I try to keep the "who vs. who"-part updated even while I don't know the background yet, and since I do this for free I don't feel obligated to drop whatever it is I'm doing and update the article whenever I get a new piece of information.
Now please, for the love of all that is holy, stop annoying everyone with your meta discussion. This whole thing could've been resolved with literally one message on IRC or on this site. Is this really a good use of your time?
Anonymous (19:26:42 - 12-01)
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MurderInc at 16:59:52 on 12/01:
Anonymous at 15:54:17 on 12/01:
MurderInc at 23:08:39 on 11/01:
Anonymous at 22:56:55 on 11/01:
Then your article should at least give a short summary how that other war is related to the first.

Either Aeterna or Faffie better Green or Red like blooded/related to the original war.

The way you have written this article it's not really conclusive.
I would suggest you ignore the colors completely. I assume most people have the mental capacity to read the article where you can see exactly who is shooting who. It's not possible to display this setup:
Avaritia Bafra Blacksea Jannisary Colossal Colosseum → Siberia Cartagena Colossus
Aeterna Lusa Benaboys ↔ Faffie Gambino
Persico → Aeterna
Trafficante Outlawz → Lusa
Colossal → Persico Krays
Jannisary Darkside → Trafficante


After you added this small, but somewhat important sentence.

Faffie and Gambino seemed to have detectives on Aeterna as backup for the initial attack, which was a threat that Aeterna chose to eliminate.

This article becomes so much clearer. Was it really that difficult to write that sentence?
No, don't answer. It might make your
mental capacity to actually write a comprehendable war article
even more limited.


... with just three colors. Especially since we have families shooting both sides. The color system works for simpler wars with 2 sides and maybe a small side-kick of a war, but not for something like this.

Anyway, I know I'm repeating myself, but please contact reporters directly if something is missing/unclear/whatever. I'm sure people are getting sick of reading the same "boohoo crappy article" comments again and again. We're all quite easily approachable, and if your intent is to clarify something (instead of just being a drama queen - that's for the little shit who wrote "yep the state of the reports here is almost as bad as the game itself" earlier), that's the better way to do it.

I'll add some more info about Aeterna ↔ Faffie.

If Gambino-Faffie were indeed back up shooters for the attackers, and you want to keep it in one article, how about making Gambino and Faffie Red?
Again, grey/black should always be the last resort for a war article, if you really can't place a Family in neither attackers nor defenders, likesay if they shoot on all sides.

Your articles have a tendency to overuse that category, which makes them incomprehendable if you are not really involved in the wars/game play. Especially if you fail to make it clear in the actual written article how those families are involved.
Making Gambino/Faffie red would imply they shot at Siberia or Cartagena, which to my knowledge was not the case. It would also imply that Aeterna, who would have to be put on the green side in that case, was somehow countering for Siberia, which is also not the case and which could have lead to a lot of confusion and possibly even altered the war if some not-so-smart top saw it without actually checking what the setup was. As for me overusing the black category: Out of the 24 war articles I've written for this site, only 4 included black families (2 with 1 black family, 1 with 4 and then this one.)

I try to include a full list of who's shooting who with every article I write, and that should resolve any initial confusion. I'm sorry that most wars aren't just black and white (or rather red and green) and might require people do read a few more sentences to fully understand what's going on. I don't think it's something you really have to bring up in every war that has more than 2 families on the black side (I'm aware of the fact that you're the same person who complained about it before. Maybe find a new hobby?)

How about picking a some writing lessons?

I mean smul, Redspeert, Donalo, all of them manage(d) to come up with easy to read articles.
Whoever it was, that complained about the war articles going the same way as the game itself, actually has a point.
As you so were pointing out so eagerly before, you can easily check/verify, that was indeed somebody else.

Next time just split this it's-a-non-related-counter into another article, or to the very least
give informations like
Faffie and Gambino seemed to have detectives on Aeterna as backup for the initial attack, which was a threat that Aeterna chose to eliminate.
From the getgo.
My original complaint was about the way that article was written before.
Which basically stated after an hour into the war Aeterna opened fire on Faffie-Gambino.

No further information about the why given.

IF you had managed to write that Gambino-Faffie had dets on Aeterna as back up shooters, then your whole article would have actually made sense. If you can't really see how that is not just poorly written, but just plainly confusing, then you are beyond help (no pun intended).
gode Turkey (17:44:35 - 12-01)
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barafranca at its best. nice war nice logs.

and again Siberia gets raped :( best pony dead pony
Anonymous (17:16:43 - 12-01)
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Nickyminaj at 16:54:28 on 12/01:
So after reading those logs, i wonder who the fuck is Critycal to talk like that? Does he rule the entire omerta.com or something? Cuz before he/they came to .com, they were a bunch of noobs with a good playbase only. Who reachs 1st war always with an avarage 400k bullet wich is low tbh and never won something with a great effort @com. Well played!
indeed they should keep playin .nl where all noobs at
MurderInc Austria (17:09:09 - 12-01)
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mr_anon at 17:05:58 on 12/01:
pretty sad to have a discussion about what colour a fam should get
tell me about it.
mr_anon (17:05:58 - 12-01)
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pretty sad to have a discussion about what colour a fam should get
MurderInc Austria (16:59:52 - 12-01)
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Anonymous at 15:54:17 on 12/01:
MurderInc at 23:08:39 on 11/01:
Anonymous at 22:56:55 on 11/01:
Then your article should at least give a short summary how that other war is related to the first.

Either Aeterna or Faffie better Green or Red like blooded/related to the original war.

The way you have written this article it's not really conclusive.
I would suggest you ignore the colors completely. I assume most people have the mental capacity to read the article where you can see exactly who is shooting who. It's not possible to display this setup:
Avaritia Bafra Blacksea Jannisary Colossal Colosseum → Siberia Cartagena Colossus
Aeterna Lusa Benaboys ↔ Faffie Gambino
Persico → Aeterna
Trafficante Outlawz → Lusa
Colossal → Persico Krays
Jannisary Darkside → Trafficante


After you added this small, but somewhat important sentence.

Faffie and Gambino seemed to have detectives on Aeterna as backup for the initial attack, which was a threat that Aeterna chose to eliminate.

This article becomes so much clearer. Was it really that difficult to write that sentence?
No, don't answer. It might make your
mental capacity to actually write a comprehendable war article
even more limited.


... with just three colors. Especially since we have families shooting both sides. The color system works for simpler wars with 2 sides and maybe a small side-kick of a war, but not for something like this.

Anyway, I know I'm repeating myself, but please contact reporters directly if something is missing/unclear/whatever. I'm sure people are getting sick of reading the same "boohoo crappy article" comments again and again. We're all quite easily approachable, and if your intent is to clarify something (instead of just being a drama queen - that's for the little shit who wrote "yep the state of the reports here is almost as bad as the game itself" earlier), that's the better way to do it.

I'll add some more info about Aeterna ↔ Faffie.

If Gambino-Faffie were indeed back up shooters for the attackers, and you want to keep it in one article, how about making Gambino and Faffie Red?
Again, grey/black should always be the last resort for a war article, if you really can't place a Family in neither attackers nor defenders, likesay if they shoot on all sides.

Your articles have a tendency to overuse that category, which makes them incomprehendable if you are not really involved in the wars/game play. Especially if you fail to make it clear in the actual written article how those families are involved.
Making Gambino/Faffie red would imply they shot at Siberia or Cartagena, which to my knowledge was not the case. It would also imply that Aeterna, who would have to be put on the green side in that case, was somehow countering for Siberia, which is also not the case and which could have lead to a lot of confusion and possibly even altered the war if some not-so-smart top saw it without actually checking what the setup was. As for me overusing the black category: Out of the 24 war articles I've written for this site, only 4 included black families (2 with 1 black family, 1 with 4 and then this one.)

I try to include a full list of who's shooting who with every article I write, and that should resolve any initial confusion. I'm sorry that most wars aren't just black and white (or rather red and green) and might require people do read a few more sentences to fully understand what's going on. I don't think it's something you really have to bring up in every war that has more than 2 families on the black side (I'm aware of the fact that you're the same person who complained about it before. Maybe find a new hobby?)
Nickyminaj (16:56:37 - 12-01)
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Resume: Tryin to stab and get stabbed. The life history of siberia. lololol
Nickyminaj (16:54:28 - 12-01)
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So after reading those logs, i wonder who the fuck is Critycal to talk like that? Does he rule the entire omerta.com or something? Cuz before he/they came to .com, they were a bunch of noobs with a good playbase only. Who reachs 1st war always with an avarage 400k bullet wich is low tbh and never won something with a great effort @com. Well played!
Leonard Portugal (16:46:18 - 12-01)
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Anonymous at 16:05:48 on 12/01:
critycal please go retire you have no shame? still talk in here hahahaha

quack
Anonymous (16:05:48 - 12-01)
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Critycal at 15:10:57 on 12/01:
@ My dear friend Fenrir:

It's not like plans were already made when we spoke with each other.
Based on talks with you we concluded that you would be down for something like this and you never disagreed in the meanwhile.
That's what makes it painful.
Also, before we blooded any other family than Aeterna we tried speaking with Faffie multiple times.
Perhaps not with you personally, as you were away during that period, but that never resulted in any talks and then the only thing we heard was that Faffie wasn't going to play actively.

There are a bunch of assumptions made in your comment that are based on nothing.
If we've told you all these things that no one else knew about, why would we have "probably a few more secret bloods" or made Cartagena have individual bloods that we wouldn't tell you about?
We were completely open to you because it seemed like you were an old friend, after Faffie retired we took care of your members and tried everything we could to keep them satisfied for the time that they were staying with us so they wouldn't retire, and whilst we were talking about it in the process of creating this plan you made us feel like you were completely on our side in this.
Hell, you even told us to go for the #1 position and that you'd rather see Colossal die than anything else.

Sure, we were completely wrong in all ways to play it this way, but don't make it look like you didn't have a fair share in this.
As I've said to you before, well played.
critycal please go retire you have no shame? still talk in here hahahaha
Anonymous (16:05:17 - 12-01)
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So many fams shot at, but only 2 fams killed off. Has there been CeaseFires? or everyone just out of bullets?
Anonymous (15:54:17 - 12-01)
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MurderInc at 23:08:39 on 11/01:
Anonymous at 22:56:55 on 11/01:
Then your article should at least give a short summary how that other war is related to the first.

Either Aeterna or Faffie better Green or Red like blooded/related to the original war.

The way you have written this article it's not really conclusive.
I would suggest you ignore the colors completely. I assume most people have the mental capacity to read the article where you can see exactly who is shooting who. It's not possible to display this setup:
Avaritia Bafra Blacksea Jannisary Colossal Colosseum → Siberia Cartagena Colossus
Aeterna Lusa Benaboys ↔ Faffie Gambino
Persico → Aeterna
Trafficante Outlawz → Lusa
Colossal → Persico Krays
Jannisary Darkside → Trafficante


After you added this small, but somewhat important sentence.

Faffie and Gambino seemed to have detectives on Aeterna as backup for the initial attack, which was a threat that Aeterna chose to eliminate.

This article becomes so much clearer. Was it really that difficult to write that sentence?
No, don't answer. It might make your
mental capacity to actually write a comprehendable war article
even more limited.


... with just three colors. Especially since we have families shooting both sides. The color system works for simpler wars with 2 sides and maybe a small side-kick of a war, but not for something like this.

Anyway, I know I'm repeating myself, but please contact reporters directly if something is missing/unclear/whatever. I'm sure people are getting sick of reading the same "boohoo crappy article" comments again and again. We're all quite easily approachable, and if your intent is to clarify something (instead of just being a drama queen - that's for the little shit who wrote "yep the state of the reports here is almost as bad as the game itself" earlier), that's the better way to do it.

I'll add some more info about Aeterna ↔ Faffie.

If Gambino-Faffie were indeed back up shooters for the attackers, and you want to keep it in one article, how about making Gambino and Faffie Red?
Again, grey/black should always be the last resort for a war article, if you really can't place a Family in neither attackers nor defenders, likesay if they shoot on all sides.

Your articles have a tendency to overuse that category, which makes them incomprehendable if you are not really involved in the wars/game play. Especially if you fail to make it clear in the actual written article how those families are involved.
Anonymous (15:12:58 - 12-01)
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Anonymous at 14:27:47 on 12/01:
Fenrir at 13:11:08 on 12/01:
MurderInc at 01:10:59 on 12/01:
ntnwtxd at 23:42:47 on 11/01:
I apprechite your efforts to report the war, murderinc

Through if you gonna give a topstatment on such a revelatnanist issue you personally find yourself in - on behalf of your family, I'd try harder... Or don't pass comment at all.

What you have done by giving that statment is an insult (from what I read) to your 'secret' as1 fam, and your members who died as a consequence of your missdeminours!

Put up or shut (the Fuck up) really man!
Well, I didn't want to wash my dirty laundry in public. But I guess you're right, and people might be interested in reading the other perspective on this issue. Besides, you reap what you sow, so let's have some fun.

It's an open secret in this game that families sometimes take bloods only for tactical reasons or to shoot some common enemy, only to get rid of them later. Usually this is done in a way that allows the family to plausibly deny any involvement in such plans, which would have happened in this case if it weren't for the leak. Not that anyone who's been at it long enough would actually believe we weren't involved, but officially we would have saved face.
As some of you might know, I've been topping at both Faffie and Siberia in the past (my first .com family being Faffie and my first .nl family being Siberia [back then with a different name, but the same "core" tops], after Faffie retired a few versions ago and Siberia moved to .com, I continued to top there on .com). This version was slightly awkward for me since Faffie came back and Siberia was active as well - but luckily I decided to sit this version out since I didn't have time to play anyway, so it wasn't much of a big deal.
I've had some conversations with Fenrir on this version where he essentially stated that he wasn't happy with how it was going and that he couldn't wait to die. He also said that he hated Colossal and wanted to shoot them.
So later on, when I heard about the plans on Avaritia, I decided to approach him and ask how serious he was about shooting Colossal and that I might have a setup that allowed Faffie (and possibly other shooters interested) to do a nice amount of damage (definitely more than they would've been able to do in a "normal" war). (By the way, this was pretty much the only thing I did this version - I'm very proud.)
I also said that this was of course mostly for Siberia's benefit, since it would give us an easy way to get rid of an unwanted blood and reduce the number of families we would end the version with. I'm not gonna lie and say that the HoF wasn't a motive as well, although we could've probably gotten that anyway through our secret as1. During this conversation I even said that I would understand (although of course not be happy about) if he'd chose not to go along with this, and instead, for example, go to Avaritia with the plan on them and hit Colossal and maybe Aeterna before those families had time to act. Such a plan would've had to involve Siberia too of course, at least as backup. And I guess if the intent was to have a more interesting version, that would've definitely done the job.
Fenrir pretty much agreed to this plan at that point, and we fleshed out some of the details in the lovely log you've probably all read by now.
To say the least, I was literally dumbstruck when I first saw the leak. To see someone who I've been topping with for essentially 1.5 years, who has ranked for Siberia and even been in our top channel as a fly on the wall last version essentially dump a private conversation in someone's pm like that ... well, I haven't seen anything like it before. I didn't even consider it a remote possibility. I know it sounds weird to see me complain after the logs you saw, but I hope you can see the difference between stabbing a blood and ruining someone's "omerta career" - someone you've been working with for years.
There's also a level of selective perception going on that I can't even put my words to. Faffie is absolutely no stranger to the way we played this version, and selling out bloods like this is what we essentially did to Righelli in 4.1 and Aeterna in 4.6. In both versions that we won, we either had a large amount of bloods ourselves or benefited from bloods with a rather big circle. In versions where we chose to keep a rather small list of bloods, we stood our ground during the obligatory gangbang for a couple of days and then died. This is the same pattern that we've been seeing for ... well, ever since I started playing again.

Anyway, first of all sorry to our members for another fucked up version. All I can say to you is that we tried to get a win that wasn't yet another version with half the playerbase still alive on reset day and, well, that kinda backfired.
Sorry to our bloods, to Cartagena and even most of our tops who weren't aware of any of this and got dragged into this mess without having a choice.

tl;dr
rekt. sorry.

Last versions we havent really been around. We came back this version, were fairly inactive and just wanted to have some fun. Due to the blooding between the topfams we litterally saw no way to shoot or even be a part of this game without dying within seconds. Which is fucking shitty. Litterally you had one so very dominant side the other part couldnt play the game at all. Eitherways i perfectly know i alienated myself by showing those logs, heck ive gone around with a bad feeling ever since. I told you before the version started that you should play with Siberia since we werent really gonna be active or anything. Suddenly showing up 4weeks into a version asking us kindly to kill ourselves shooting your own blood, killing another, knowing we'd die possibly killing maybe 2-3 accs to lower their famworth slightly, thats not exactly fair done either. Heck we didnt even know you were playing before then.
And knowing you had: Colossal, Aeterna, Avaritia, Gambino, Scudetto and probably a few more "secret bloods" along with Cartagena as "secret as1"(new term for me) i found it rather insane that we should help this mad cesspool of bloods when we've always tried fighting against it. Regarding the "secret as1" they had their individual bloods also right? So thats a new set of ties for you, how were you gonna solve that? Tell them you were as1s when it suited you, and when not... Kill them too? What blood would i be to my other bloods if i did this for Siberia, who i honestly had no bloodties or anything whatsoever to this version, heck i hadnt talked to anyone in Siberia since version started. Its always been versions where you gangbang, or where you get gangbanged. Imo its not a fair excuse to go totally overboard playing like this.

Anyways, on a personal level its a fucking shame for me. Honestly i dont care about what others may say about those logs or not, i wish it could have been done otherwise, but i honestly dont think so. I perfectly know i put my own head on the choppingblock, alienating myself to some and the complete opposite to others. In the end the only one i feel deep regret to is MurderInc. The dude has litterally been the best top ive played with, and a big reason of making Faffie what it was, probably the most influental in our way to the top due to his activity and dedication. I didnt do it for own personal gain, and heck, i did not do it for Colossal thats for sure. I've been so tired of seeing this "the best vs the rest" style of playing, I mean, the moment Purgatory went down your version was won and it was almost a race between the topfams between who could get the most famworth, or who could shoot with minimum amounts of casualties, cause you know the job was mostly done already. You had no threats among the other top fams, and no families capable of harming you the slightest. I KNOW i have a selective perception, but i do not think we played like this.

In the end its a mafiagame, shady moves being part of it. Its not they way i wouldve liked it to go down but i still feel it was kind of necessary. Your omerta carriers aint over, memory lasts short in this game and you guys have too big positions in this game to call it quits because of something like this.

You know you could have just said no, right? Instead of going with the story and accepting to do it, and then leaking your buddies logs. And you speak so highly of MurderInc, and say that he was an integral part in making Faffie what it was... Way to show appreciation for what he's done by leaking his log. Hypocrite.
I'm just wondering? if you have so much to discuss about why you don't go @ IRC and pm or make a channel so you can cry me a river???????You guys need cool attention or what? fucking nolifers
Critycal Korea, Democratic People's Republic of Patron (15:10:57 - 12-01)
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@ My dear friend Fenrir:

It's not like plans were already made when we spoke with each other.
Based on talks with you we concluded that you would be down for something like this and you never disagreed in the meanwhile.
That's what makes it painful.
Also, before we blooded any other family than Aeterna we tried speaking with Faffie multiple times.
Perhaps not with you personally, as you were away during that period, but that never resulted in any talks and then the only thing we heard was that Faffie wasn't going to play actively.

There are a bunch of assumptions made in your comment that are based on nothing.
If we've told you all these things that no one else knew about, why would we have "probably a few more secret bloods" or made Cartagena have individual bloods that we wouldn't tell you about?
We were completely open to you because it seemed like you were an old friend, after Faffie retired we took care of your members and tried everything we could to keep them satisfied for the time that they were staying with us so they wouldn't retire, and whilst we were talking about it in the process of creating this plan you made us feel like you were completely on our side in this.
Hell, you even told us to go for the #1 position and that you'd rather see Colossal die than anything else.

Sure, we were completely wrong in all ways to play it this way, but don't make it look like you didn't have a fair share in this.
As I've said to you before, well played.