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The so called pact of 3.4 and their supporting families back then are being shot by a new massive force, after plans leaked that "the pact" was going to shoot first.
Among the first attackers where the Marazzino and Yigidos alliances, who targetted Vincitori, Conflict and the Liberta alliance.
Because of leaked plans, Vincitori, Liberta and their bloods were already on standby, resulting in a quick counter.
Because of the number of families involved and the downtime this war was utter chaos, but I'll try to make a detailed account.
Marazzino+, Yigidos+, Gelibolu+ → Vincitori, Liberta+
Revelations → Conflict
The Supremazia and Lucchese alliances countered quickly for their bloods, resulting in:
Supremazia, Messina, Lucchese/Squad → Blacksea, Yigidos
Memento and Samagono jumped in to help conflict
Memento, Samagono → Revelations
Righelli and Bruinsma helped their blood too by shooting Kurosawa. Kuro however denied shooting at Conflict.
Righelli, Bruinsma → Kurosawa
Armada chose to shoot Gelibolu+
Armada → Gelibolu, Impero
Infragilis counter-countered for their blood Kurosawa
Infragilis → Bruinsma
Within an hour tho, Underground starting shooting Lucchese/Squad, after which Lucchese focussed on Underground while Supremazia and Messina focussed on Blacksea and Yigidos
Underground -> Lucchese/Squad
After Revelations was decimated, Conflict was again under attack.
Argonauts → Conflict
Before long, Supremazia and Armada found themselves under attack too, so they dropped their targets as well and defended themselves against Vertigo, Venture and Xzone
Venture, Xzone, Vertigo → Supremazia, Messina, Armada
During this war, 2 hijacks occurred as well, both Vertigo and Goldenarmy.
After the war started the servers of omerta went down. Rumours started that the servers got down due a DDoS attack.
Bramblerose created a news post about what happend after the servers got up again.
2 days later, the shooting has stopped. With both attackers and defenders decimated, this war has no clear winner.
Among the first attackers where the Marazzino and Yigidos alliances, who targetted Vincitori, Conflict and the Liberta alliance.
Because of leaked plans, Vincitori, Liberta and their bloods were already on standby, resulting in a quick counter.
Because of the number of families involved and the downtime this war was utter chaos, but I'll try to make a detailed account.
Marazzino+, Yigidos+, Gelibolu+ → Vincitori, Liberta+
Revelations → Conflict
The Supremazia and Lucchese alliances countered quickly for their bloods, resulting in:
Supremazia, Messina, Lucchese/Squad → Blacksea, Yigidos
Memento and Samagono jumped in to help conflict
Memento, Samagono → Revelations
Righelli and Bruinsma helped their blood too by shooting Kurosawa. Kuro however denied shooting at Conflict.
Righelli, Bruinsma → Kurosawa
Armada chose to shoot Gelibolu+
Armada → Gelibolu, Impero
Infragilis counter-countered for their blood Kurosawa
Infragilis → Bruinsma
Within an hour tho, Underground starting shooting Lucchese/Squad, after which Lucchese focussed on Underground while Supremazia and Messina focussed on Blacksea and Yigidos
Underground -> Lucchese/Squad
After Revelations was decimated, Conflict was again under attack.
Argonauts → Conflict
Before long, Supremazia and Armada found themselves under attack too, so they dropped their targets as well and defended themselves against Vertigo, Venture and Xzone
Venture, Xzone, Vertigo → Supremazia, Messina, Armada
During this war, 2 hijacks occurred as well, both Vertigo and Goldenarmy.
After the war started the servers of omerta went down. Rumours started that the servers got down due a DDoS attack.
Bramblerose created a news post about what happend after the servers got up again.
2 days later, the shooting has stopped. With both attackers and defenders decimated, this war has no clear winner.
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News post from Barafranca
Dear all,
Some players found it necessary to ddos attack Omerta last night. You all experienced the downtime caused by this attack.
During this attack a war was going on, we know that after the downtime players find themselves dead when they tried to login again. As far as we can see all these killings took place just before and just after the downtime.
We’re still investigating the matter and will give you an update as soon as we know more ourselves.
I’m really sorry for the inconvenience this has caused.
Bramblerose
Dear all,
Some players found it necessary to ddos attack Omerta last night. You all experienced the downtime caused by this attack.
During this attack a war was going on, we know that after the downtime players find themselves dead when they tried to login again. As far as we can see all these killings took place just before and just after the downtime.
We’re still investigating the matter and will give you an update as soon as we know more ourselves.
I’m really sorry for the inconvenience this has caused.
Bramblerose
statistics
| War started on: 20:25:00 04-05-2012 | War ended on: 11:05:02 07-05-2012 |
| Bullet difference: -92,579,854 | War duration: 2d 14h 40m |
| Money difference: -$7,012,388,625 | Players died: 841 |
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Anonymous (18:52:07 - 05-05)
Novu (18:51:16 - 05-05)
Anonymous at 18:47:19 on 05/05:
when you last saw a fam play for themself?
as a friend told me, with this KA and BG system any fam with 20 brugs can do a shitload of damage, with a well prepared shooting in the middle of the night.
but i guess no fam will do that since most of them lost their identity as fam. i hope i am wrong, and we can have a smooth and enjoyable game again
`Donalo`Sixx at 18:16:55 on 05/05:
The word 'Pact' isnt really suitable to describe the problem here because its true many of the 'pact' arent really connected to each other. The problem is thinking its ok make a massive blood circle that means that, including themselves, around half the game is somehow connected to them meaning that in order to shoot just two families means involving the whole game in a massive war.
Vinci + Conflicts blood circle basically forced the rest of the game into working together when they wouldn't usually and its boring.
The word 'Pact' isnt really suitable to describe the problem here because its true many of the 'pact' arent really connected to each other. The problem is thinking its ok make a massive blood circle that means that, including themselves, around half the game is somehow connected to them meaning that in order to shoot just two families means involving the whole game in a massive war.
Vinci + Conflicts blood circle basically forced the rest of the game into working together when they wouldn't usually and its boring.
as a friend told me, with this KA and BG system any fam with 20 brugs can do a shitload of damage, with a well prepared shooting in the middle of the night.
but i guess no fam will do that since most of them lost their identity as fam. i hope i am wrong, and we can have a smooth and enjoyable game again
Well, if you do the '20 brugs vs. a fam' attack during the night, then you'll get raped the next day by the fam's bloods. So you still need backup at least, and then you might as well just do the big attack from the beginning, taking out the fam and its bloods right away. So the mass blooding is still a problem in this sense imo.
Anonymous at 18:47:19 on 05/05:
when you last saw a fam play for themself?
as a friend told me, with this KA and BG system any fam with 20 brugs can do a shitload of damage, with a well prepared shooting in the middle of the night.
but i guess no fam will do that since most of them lost their identity as fam. i hope i am wrong, and we can have a smooth and enjoyable game again
`Donalo`Sixx at 18:16:55 on 05/05:
The word 'Pact' isnt really suitable to describe the problem here because its true many of the 'pact' arent really connected to each other. The problem is thinking its ok make a massive blood circle that means that, including themselves, around half the game is somehow connected to them meaning that in order to shoot just two families means involving the whole game in a massive war.
Vinci + Conflicts blood circle basically forced the rest of the game into working together when they wouldn't usually and its boring.
The word 'Pact' isnt really suitable to describe the problem here because its true many of the 'pact' arent really connected to each other. The problem is thinking its ok make a massive blood circle that means that, including themselves, around half the game is somehow connected to them meaning that in order to shoot just two families means involving the whole game in a massive war.
Vinci + Conflicts blood circle basically forced the rest of the game into working together when they wouldn't usually and its boring.
as a friend told me, with this KA and BG system any fam with 20 brugs can do a shitload of damage, with a well prepared shooting in the middle of the night.
but i guess no fam will do that since most of them lost their identity as fam. i hope i am wrong, and we can have a smooth and enjoyable game again
this was me, forgot to log xD
Anonymous (18:47:19 - 05-05)
`Donalo`Sixx at 18:16:55 on 05/05:
The word 'Pact' isnt really suitable to describe the problem here because its true many of the 'pact' arent really connected to each other. The problem is thinking its ok make a massive blood circle that means that, including themselves, around half the game is somehow connected to them meaning that in order to shoot just two families means involving the whole game in a massive war.
Vinci + Conflicts blood circle basically forced the rest of the game into working together when they wouldn't usually and its boring.
The word 'Pact' isnt really suitable to describe the problem here because its true many of the 'pact' arent really connected to each other. The problem is thinking its ok make a massive blood circle that means that, including themselves, around half the game is somehow connected to them meaning that in order to shoot just two families means involving the whole game in a massive war.
Vinci + Conflicts blood circle basically forced the rest of the game into working together when they wouldn't usually and its boring.
as a friend told me, with this KA and BG system any fam with 20 brugs can do a shitload of damage, with a well prepared shooting in the middle of the night.
but i guess no fam will do that since most of them lost their identity as fam. i hope i am wrong, and we can have a smooth and enjoyable game again
And the Vinci + Conflicts blood circle was brought into the game as a reaction to some former versions aswell ...
The word 'Pact' isnt really suitable to describe the problem here because its true many of the 'pact' arent really connected to each other. The problem is thinking its ok make a massive blood circle that means that, including themselves, around half the game is somehow connected to them meaning that in order to shoot just two families means involving the whole game in a massive war.
Vinci + Conflicts blood circle basically forced the rest of the game into working together when they wouldn't usually and its boring.
Vinci + Conflicts blood circle basically forced the rest of the game into working together when they wouldn't usually and its boring.
Anonymous (18:12:38 - 05-05)
Bramble confirmed the ddos rumour.
lol @ pact.
how low can you get.
lol @ pact.
how low can you get.
Criminal (18:00:26 - 05-05)
Redspeert at 16:26:58 on 05/05:
I guess you are a bit slow, but I'll forgive you for that - it ain't your fault.
But what you fail to see, is that this so called "pact" that you all cry yourself to sleep talking about each night - is a product made to fight the pacts that killed these fams the version before.
In 3.2 the lot of you were playing together to kill vinci/conf/vaffan etc. But then it was ofc legal to pact, since it was your fam who did it. Hypocrite much? :''')
Nice name calling, I could have called you somthing back if you showed your name. But I guess that is to much to ask for, knowing wich side of omerta you are from (Not really known as bravehearts...). Took over? We were here before you and your newfag fams started pacting to kill the old fams.
Anonymous at 16:13:36 on 05/05:
dude its quite simple, they teamed up until they had half game in there player base. Non-pact put their differences aside to try and beat them. they failed and in the future we will have the same war over and over again. until something happens inside pact. idc really but i think worst thing is people like redspleet and elmargarine are proud of there gamestyle. game has changed fags like them took over. its a shame :(
Anonymous at 16:08:38 on 05/05:
Pact became bigger because of all these so called 'as one' alliances became so big. They might be 'as one' still doesn't change they are 7 different families and 40 families would be on the attacking side. Pacts like these are a counter mechanism, next to that not all defending families today are in 1 pact. I even doubt it's one complete pact since not all of them blooded eachother. (some of them did ofcourse)
Anonymous at 16:03:29 on 05/05:
kinda funny you "pact guys"
it took almost all non-pact fams to get a 1:1 brug ratio. and you talk about poor management. is sad you stick together. as long as you do so, we we'll have the same war over and over again every version. hope you guys having fun kissing each others ass
Redspeert at 15:58:10 on 05/05:
Won't help them if they bring 40 fams, poor managment and poor leading will still be there.
ElMariachi at 15:45:17 on 05/05:
seems some ppl got pwnd 2x in a row, maybe next version try to teamup even more than 20 fams to get the job done :')
seems some ppl got pwnd 2x in a row, maybe next version try to teamup even more than 20 fams to get the job done :')
Won't help them if they bring 40 fams, poor managment and poor leading will still be there.
kinda funny you "pact guys"
it took almost all non-pact fams to get a 1:1 brug ratio. and you talk about poor management. is sad you stick together. as long as you do so, we we'll have the same war over and over again every version. hope you guys having fun kissing each others ass
Pact became bigger because of all these so called 'as one' alliances became so big. They might be 'as one' still doesn't change they are 7 different families and 40 families would be on the attacking side. Pacts like these are a counter mechanism, next to that not all defending families today are in 1 pact. I even doubt it's one complete pact since not all of them blooded eachother. (some of them did ofcourse)
dude its quite simple, they teamed up until they had half game in there player base. Non-pact put their differences aside to try and beat them. they failed and in the future we will have the same war over and over again. until something happens inside pact. idc really but i think worst thing is people like redspleet and elmargarine are proud of there gamestyle. game has changed fags like them took over. its a shame :(
I guess you are a bit slow, but I'll forgive you for that - it ain't your fault.
But what you fail to see, is that this so called "pact" that you all cry yourself to sleep talking about each night - is a product made to fight the pacts that killed these fams the version before.
In 3.2 the lot of you were playing together to kill vinci/conf/vaffan etc. But then it was ofc legal to pact, since it was your fam who did it. Hypocrite much? :''')
Nice name calling, I could have called you somthing back if you showed your name. But I guess that is to much to ask for, knowing wich side of omerta you are from (Not really known as bravehearts...). Took over? We were here before you and your newfag fams started pacting to kill the old fams.
couldn't had said it better Redspeert ... +1 :D
Even with a 1:1 brug ratio and planning the war, therefore had way much shooters online, still could not manage to do the job ... besides you rly think the involved fams on defenders side are all in one pact is simply stupid as al least 40% of em isn't even related to eachaother. Brave move to take the initiative, but other than that just a big fail
zenga (17:00:22 - 05-05)
Revolucion at 16:34:35 on 05/05:
Not to mention that most of the so called pact families used to be enemies fighting each other over and over and had nice wars and versions, but you guys never doing anything in this game, just waited till they shot each other so you could shoot the left overs and dominate a version without doing anything except making sister families
Not to mention that most of the so called pact families used to be enemies fighting each other over and over and had nice wars and versions, but you guys never doing anything in this game, just waited till they shot each other so you could shoot the left overs and dominate a version without doing anything except making sister families
This started somewhere, and it's a recurring thing. The very first version of omerta didn't start right away with pacts, sides and families on the day of launch. It's something that grew organically throughout the years, and will keep doing so. Players talk after a war, end up in the same war channel cause of a mutual blood, get closer, ... and before you know there is an inner circle of bloods who's hands are tied. There was a very similar situation in 2.3 and 2.4 where vinci had a serious pact going. It's totally up to the opposing sides to try and break that, not only with shooting but also with role playing. Something - i can be wrong - that has disappeared from the game: forcing an opponent into the corner where you want them, by trash talking, faking stuff, talk them into something they don't want ... etc.
shell at 16:28:10 on 05/05:
to be honest, we had no reason to jump into this war at first as attackers weren't shooting any bloods of us (yet you call us pact). But then they couldn't leave conflict out of the plan who are our bloods, and that move dragged us into shooting. I don't like the whole pact idea or the word's itself here. We have bloods and that is all. I couldn't care less about the rest.
Rip who died, that was fun.
to be honest, we had no reason to jump into this war at first as attackers weren't shooting any bloods of us (yet you call us pact). But then they couldn't leave conflict out of the plan who are our bloods, and that move dragged us into shooting. I don't like the whole pact idea or the word's itself here. We have bloods and that is all. I couldn't care less about the rest.
Rip who died, that was fun.
Exactly shell +1
Rip everyone o/
Anonymous at 16:27:01 on 05/05:
You honestly believe that if this fams attacked only Liberta/Vinci for example, that lucchese would help them? or that Righelli would help them etc, or if they attacked only Righelli , you think that Vinci would help them or Liberta ? No, cause they are not bloods, any fam can team up with non blood fams if the prize is good, but if you are planning an attack its simply dumb and stupid to try and shoot all this fams, they only have to defende themselfs and shoot back @ their shooters, they are not the pact , you made them a pact yesterday, the pact are this shooting fams, which failed yet again.
You honestly believe that if this fams attacked only Liberta/Vinci for example, that lucchese would help them? or that Righelli would help them etc, or if they attacked only Righelli , you think that Vinci would help them or Liberta ? No, cause they are not bloods, any fam can team up with non blood fams if the prize is good, but if you are planning an attack its simply dumb and stupid to try and shoot all this fams, they only have to defende themselfs and shoot back @ their shooters, they are not the pact , you made them a pact yesterday, the pact are this shooting fams, which failed yet again.
They make us a pact every damn version with their stupid decisions and war plans, only difference is sometimes they do succeed and sometimes not.
Do you actually believe for once that ties of these families would be so strong together if they haven't "tested" us over and over again.
Same as I and many others made Conflict Curse Illusion and Righelli pact in 2.7 to 2.8a, with constant attacks and pointing fingers and whinings here. It just made em stronger together.
And again I mean no offense to some attacking fams cuz I have respect for some of them, just maybe you should try different approach instead of repeating same mistakes (same goes for us tbh), cuz this pact or whatever you all cry about, you guys (or your tops) made. We wont simply lay down and die without a fight...
Redspeert at 16:26:58 on 05/05:
I guess you are a bit slow, but I'll forgive you for that - it ain't your fault.
But what you fail to see, is that this so called "pact" that you all cry yourself to sleep talking about each night - is a product made to fight the pacts that killed these fams the version before.
In 3.2 the lot of you were playing together to kill vinci/conf/vaffan etc. But then it was ofc legal to pact, since it was your fam who did it. Hypocrite much? :''')
Nice name calling, I could have called you somthing back if you showed your name. But I guess that is to much to ask for, knowing wich side of omerta you are from (Not really known as bravehearts...). Took over? We were here before you and your newfag fams started pacting to kill the old fams.
Anonymous at 16:13:36 on 05/05:
dude its quite simple, they teamed up until they had half game in there player base. Non-pact put their differences aside to try and beat them. they failed and in the future we will have the same war over and over again. until something happens inside pact. idc really but i think worst thing is people like redspleet and elmargarine are proud of there gamestyle. game has changed fags like them took over. its a shame :(
Anonymous at 16:08:38 on 05/05:
Pact became bigger because of all these so called 'as one' alliances became so big. They might be 'as one' still doesn't change they are 7 different families and 40 families would be on the attacking side. Pacts like these are a counter mechanism, next to that not all defending families today are in 1 pact. I even doubt it's one complete pact since not all of them blooded eachother. (some of them did ofcourse)
Anonymous at 16:03:29 on 05/05:
kinda funny you "pact guys"
it took almost all non-pact fams to get a 1:1 brug ratio. and you talk about poor management. is sad you stick together. as long as you do so, we we'll have the same war over and over again every version. hope you guys having fun kissing each others ass
Redspeert at 15:58:10 on 05/05:
Won't help them if they bring 40 fams, poor managment and poor leading will still be there.
ElMariachi at 15:45:17 on 05/05:
seems some ppl got pwnd 2x in a row, maybe next version try to teamup even more than 20 fams to get the job done :')
seems some ppl got pwnd 2x in a row, maybe next version try to teamup even more than 20 fams to get the job done :')
Won't help them if they bring 40 fams, poor managment and poor leading will still be there.
kinda funny you "pact guys"
it took almost all non-pact fams to get a 1:1 brug ratio. and you talk about poor management. is sad you stick together. as long as you do so, we we'll have the same war over and over again every version. hope you guys having fun kissing each others ass
Pact became bigger because of all these so called 'as one' alliances became so big. They might be 'as one' still doesn't change they are 7 different families and 40 families would be on the attacking side. Pacts like these are a counter mechanism, next to that not all defending families today are in 1 pact. I even doubt it's one complete pact since not all of them blooded eachother. (some of them did ofcourse)
dude its quite simple, they teamed up until they had half game in there player base. Non-pact put their differences aside to try and beat them. they failed and in the future we will have the same war over and over again. until something happens inside pact. idc really but i think worst thing is people like redspleet and elmargarine are proud of there gamestyle. game has changed fags like them took over. its a shame :(
I guess you are a bit slow, but I'll forgive you for that - it ain't your fault.
But what you fail to see, is that this so called "pact" that you all cry yourself to sleep talking about each night - is a product made to fight the pacts that killed these fams the version before.
In 3.2 the lot of you were playing together to kill vinci/conf/vaffan etc. But then it was ofc legal to pact, since it was your fam who did it. Hypocrite much? :''')
Nice name calling, I could have called you somthing back if you showed your name. But I guess that is to much to ask for, knowing wich side of omerta you are from (Not really known as bravehearts...). Took over? We were here before you and your newfag fams started pacting to kill the old fams.
Not to mention that most of the so called pact families used to be enemies fighting each other over and over and had nice wars and versions, but you guys never doing anything in this game, just waited till they shot each other so you could shoot the left overs and dominate a version without doing anything except making sister families
zenga (16:31:44 - 05-05)
Anonymous at 16:04:51 on 05/05:
Blocking an ongoing ddos attack is fairly trivial because you can see the zombies which are attacking and block them. Its likely not the the Omerta servers are DDOS proof(nothing is) but that the offender had his zombies blocked. So to continue attacking the one in control of the botnet would need a new set of zombies to continue attacking. So Omerta would be DDOS proof against the current attackers zombies but should he or anyone else use a different set of zombies the same issue could arise. That is what could have been done in an hour to get the game back up and would explain a continued downtime after Teckna arrived(based on arrival on IRC) If it was just a crash then it should just take a simple reboot + some time for services to boot and such.
So a DDOS and simple block does fit, but of course there are many other theories that fit also.
Blocking an ongoing ddos attack is fairly trivial because you can see the zombies which are attacking and block them. Its likely not the the Omerta servers are DDOS proof(nothing is) but that the offender had his zombies blocked. So to continue attacking the one in control of the botnet would need a new set of zombies to continue attacking. So Omerta would be DDOS proof against the current attackers zombies but should he or anyone else use a different set of zombies the same issue could arise. That is what could have been done in an hour to get the game back up and would explain a continued downtime after Teckna arrived(based on arrival on IRC) If it was just a crash then it should just take a simple reboot + some time for services to boot and such.
So a DDOS and simple block does fit, but of course there are many other theories that fit also.
There are so many ways why a webserver/app can crash (log partition that is full to name a stupid one over simply a bad script, etc ) ... and that all can lead to data corruption. So the troubleshooting, getting the data safe and get it back on track takes a bit of time. Even a ddos attack can come in different forms depending on the creativity of the attacker. Point being: it's pure speculation. I saw how that rumour started and 5 minutes later it was all over irc. Or do you really think that in case a guy actually ddos'd the servers that he told his friends/fam that he did that, and that that's how the rumor started? The other scenario is that teckna said it.
Either way it's just plain stupid to assume it was a ddos attack (unless you have other info), and it's even more stupid to assign such an attack to the defending or attacking side. Cause it doesn't make sense if you think 30 seconds. That's what my whole point was about
shell (16:28:10 - 05-05)
to be honest, we had no reason to jump into this war at first as attackers weren't shooting any bloods of us (yet you call us pact). But then they couldn't leave conflict out of the plan who are our bloods, and that move dragged us into shooting. I don't like the whole pact idea or the word's itself here. We have bloods and that is all. I couldn't care less about the rest.
Rip who died, that was fun.
Rip who died, that was fun.
Goupe at 16:24:48 on 05/05:
Redspeert took over?
I think I missed that episode xd
Redspeert took over?
I think I missed that episode xd
Season 4, 15th episode.
Anonymous (16:27:01 - 05-05)
You honestly believe that if this fams attacked only Liberta/Vinci for example, that lucchese would help them? or that Righelli would help them etc, or if they attacked only Righelli , you think that Vinci would help them or Liberta ? No, cause they are not bloods, any fam can team up with non blood fams if the prize is good, but if you are planning an attack its simply dumb and stupid to try and shoot all this fams, they only have to defende themselfs and shoot back @ their shooters, they are not the pact , you made them a pact yesterday, the pact are this shooting fams, which failed yet again.
Anonymous at 16:13:36 on 05/05:
dude its quite simple, they teamed up until they had half game in there player base. Non-pact put their differences aside to try and beat them. they failed and in the future we will have the same war over and over again. until something happens inside pact. idc really but i think worst thing is people like redspleet and elmargarine are proud of there gamestyle. game has changed fags like them took over. its a shame :(
Anonymous at 16:08:38 on 05/05:
Pact became bigger because of all these so called 'as one' alliances became so big. They might be 'as one' still doesn't change they are 7 different families and 40 families would be on the attacking side. Pacts like these are a counter mechanism, next to that not all defending families today are in 1 pact. I even doubt it's one complete pact since not all of them blooded eachother. (some of them did ofcourse)
Anonymous at 16:03:29 on 05/05:
kinda funny you "pact guys"
it took almost all non-pact fams to get a 1:1 brug ratio. and you talk about poor management. is sad you stick together. as long as you do so, we we'll have the same war over and over again every version. hope you guys having fun kissing each others ass
Redspeert at 15:58:10 on 05/05:
Won't help them if they bring 40 fams, poor managment and poor leading will still be there.
ElMariachi at 15:45:17 on 05/05:
seems some ppl got pwnd 2x in a row, maybe next version try to teamup even more than 20 fams to get the job done :')
seems some ppl got pwnd 2x in a row, maybe next version try to teamup even more than 20 fams to get the job done :')
Won't help them if they bring 40 fams, poor managment and poor leading will still be there.
kinda funny you "pact guys"
it took almost all non-pact fams to get a 1:1 brug ratio. and you talk about poor management. is sad you stick together. as long as you do so, we we'll have the same war over and over again every version. hope you guys having fun kissing each others ass
Pact became bigger because of all these so called 'as one' alliances became so big. They might be 'as one' still doesn't change they are 7 different families and 40 families would be on the attacking side. Pacts like these are a counter mechanism, next to that not all defending families today are in 1 pact. I even doubt it's one complete pact since not all of them blooded eachother. (some of them did ofcourse)
dude its quite simple, they teamed up until they had half game in there player base. Non-pact put their differences aside to try and beat them. they failed and in the future we will have the same war over and over again. until something happens inside pact. idc really but i think worst thing is people like redspleet and elmargarine are proud of there gamestyle. game has changed fags like them took over. its a shame :(
I guess you are a bit slow, but I'll forgive you for that - it ain't your fault.
But what you fail to see, is that this so called "pact" that you all cry yourself to sleep talking about each night - is a product made to fight the pacts that killed these fams the version before.
In 3.2 the lot of you were playing together to kill vinci/conf/vaffan etc. But then it was ofc legal to pact, since it was your fam who did it. Hypocrite much? :''')
Nice name calling, I could have called you somthing back if you showed your name. But I guess that is to much to ask for, knowing wich side of omerta you are from (Not really known as bravehearts...). Took over? We were here before you and your newfag fams started pacting to kill the old fams.
Anonymous (16:13:36 - 05-05)
Anonymous at 16:08:38 on 05/05:
Pact became bigger because of all these so called 'as one' alliances became so big. They might be 'as one' still doesn't change they are 7 different families and 40 families would be on the attacking side. Pacts like these are a counter mechanism, next to that not all defending families today are in 1 pact. I even doubt it's one complete pact since not all of them blooded eachother. (some of them did ofcourse)
Anonymous at 16:03:29 on 05/05:
kinda funny you "pact guys"
it took almost all non-pact fams to get a 1:1 brug ratio. and you talk about poor management. is sad you stick together. as long as you do so, we we'll have the same war over and over again every version. hope you guys having fun kissing each others ass
Redspeert at 15:58:10 on 05/05:
Won't help them if they bring 40 fams, poor managment and poor leading will still be there.
ElMariachi at 15:45:17 on 05/05:
seems some ppl got pwnd 2x in a row, maybe next version try to teamup even more than 20 fams to get the job done :')
seems some ppl got pwnd 2x in a row, maybe next version try to teamup even more than 20 fams to get the job done :')
Won't help them if they bring 40 fams, poor managment and poor leading will still be there.
kinda funny you "pact guys"
it took almost all non-pact fams to get a 1:1 brug ratio. and you talk about poor management. is sad you stick together. as long as you do so, we we'll have the same war over and over again every version. hope you guys having fun kissing each others ass
Pact became bigger because of all these so called 'as one' alliances became so big. They might be 'as one' still doesn't change they are 7 different families and 40 families would be on the attacking side. Pacts like these are a counter mechanism, next to that not all defending families today are in 1 pact. I even doubt it's one complete pact since not all of them blooded eachother. (some of them did ofcourse)
dude its quite simple, they teamed up until they had half game in there player base. Non-pact put their differences aside to try and beat them. they failed and in the future we will have the same war over and over again. until something happens inside pact. idc really but i think worst thing is people like redspleet and elmargarine are proud of there gamestyle. game has changed fags like them took over. its a shame :(
nr1 fam this war :")