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01:05:24 - 27-02
Anonymous at 00:54:33 on 27/02:
Novu at 00:06:16 on 27/02:
Anonymous at 23:55:08 on 26/02:
Novu at 23:19:28 on 26/02:
Anonymous at 22:59:41 on 26/02:
Novu at 22:17:50 on 26/02:
Anonymous at 22:03:23 on 26/02:
Novu at 20:29:56 on 26/02:
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."

As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.

But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.


You are aware this is theoretically a Mafia themed RPG?
You are aware that Carlo Gambino and fis successors like Castellano were not particularly charitable figures, too?
Disregard of human life is the very essence of organised crime.

You might want to rethink before opening your mouth.

Fully aware of this. But while this is just a theoretic game you're also not allowed to have a Hitler-themed family. While it's not illegal to have a Sinaloa-themed family, I just think Sinaloa is much too grim to name yourself after. Other mafias and criminal gangs usually try to keep a low profile and generally only hurt those who get in the way of business. The Italian mafia has a certain code of honour. Sinaloa is a different breed. Sinaloa and other Mexican cartels are pretty much waging a civil war with lots of collateral damage, so I think there's a significant difference.

I didn't think my point of view would be popular, but I stand by it, so no, I'm not going to rethink.

Yes, human trafficking, drug deals, or dumping highly toxic waste near some populated towns, just harming people who get into their way.
You clearly have a very romantic idea of the italian mafia.
If you want to follow your Hitler obsession, look for a WWII based RPG.

Yes I do have a somewhat romantic view of the Italian mafia. But you can ask the Italian mafia how shocked they were of the brutality of the Albanian mafia, and then know that the Mexican cartels are magnitudes above that. The Italian mafia DID have a certain code of honour. Even among criminals there are big differences in how they operate. I know I'm talking to deaf ears, but I just think there's a big difference between some criminal organisations. Just try watching a documentary about any Mexican cartel and you should be able to see what I mean.

I don't exactly have an obsession with Hitler, but I think there's a reason in most WWII games you can't play as the SS. But fine, let me make another comparison. The Wehrmacht or regular German army were as an instrument of the Nazi regime evil. The SS though were evil on a whole other level. I see normal criminal organisations as evil, but Mexican cartels as evil on a whole other level.

And I think there's also a big difference of playing with a name of a former mafia, or extinct mafia and then a current one who has part in a war that costs thousands of lives every year, and with an unseen brutality.

Just because their name's sake died, doesn't mean Gambino family is not an actual still existing Mafia family. Even when Gotti was the Don, the organization was still known as Gambino family.

Your point does not get more valid. *shrug*

I know a family like the Gambino fam still exists, but it's NOTHING compared to what it was. But if you want me to compare the Gambino fam and the Mexican drug cartels, I can tell you that a fam like Gambino often chose to bribe people like government officials to get their way. Mexican cartels generally don't bribe, they only kill.

If you don't see a difference in brutality between "normal" organised crime groups and the Mexican cartels, then I can make no argument or point that will be valid in your eyes. I'm not saying the name Sinaloa should be illegal to use or anything like that. I'm just questioning the tastefulness in the name, and I think it's distasteful.

I don't consider that name to be anymore distateful than Gambino, Bonanno, Lucchese, Genovese or Colombo.
Mexian cartels not bribing? There are entire cities and states under the control of a distinc cartel. The problem is, with so much corruption there's no need to be discrete.

Yes forgive me, I mostly focussed on war zones like Ciudad Juarez. Generally no bribes there, just murders. But either way we're not going to agree here, and that's fine. I was just voicing my opinion. It's bedtime for me, so goodnight Mr. Anonymous.
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00:52:17 - 27-02
Redspeert at 00:26:53 on 27/02:
Another thing that grinds my gears is that nazism is kill on sight, whilst communism who got more blood on their hands than all sorts of facism and nazism together are still allowed.



Is Brando a closet Stalin?

Well we definitely focus a lot on nazism. It's because it has come to be a symbol of evil, also in popculture like movies and such. The Soviet Union isn't portrayed as purely bad in Europe imo, but try in USA, even socialism is almost a dirty word there. I think it's lame to still connect present Germany and Germans with nazism as people often do. They aren't anymore guilty than any other present people. Also, Israel uses the holocaust for their own gain. Critisise Israel in any way and you're an anti-semite and hates jews. It's ridiculous. Actually Israel today is almost treating the Palestineans like Jews were treated by Hitler, they live trapped in ghettos pretty much.

There's a lot wrong with the world.
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00:06:16 - 27-02
Anonymous at 23:55:08 on 26/02:
Novu at 23:19:28 on 26/02:
Anonymous at 22:59:41 on 26/02:
Novu at 22:17:50 on 26/02:
Anonymous at 22:03:23 on 26/02:
Novu at 20:29:56 on 26/02:
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."

As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.

But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.


You are aware this is theoretically a Mafia themed RPG?
You are aware that Carlo Gambino and fis successors like Castellano were not particularly charitable figures, too?
Disregard of human life is the very essence of organised crime.

You might want to rethink before opening your mouth.

Fully aware of this. But while this is just a theoretic game you're also not allowed to have a Hitler-themed family. While it's not illegal to have a Sinaloa-themed family, I just think Sinaloa is much too grim to name yourself after. Other mafias and criminal gangs usually try to keep a low profile and generally only hurt those who get in the way of business. The Italian mafia has a certain code of honour. Sinaloa is a different breed. Sinaloa and other Mexican cartels are pretty much waging a civil war with lots of collateral damage, so I think there's a significant difference.

I didn't think my point of view would be popular, but I stand by it, so no, I'm not going to rethink.

Yes, human trafficking, drug deals, or dumping highly toxic waste near some populated towns, just harming people who get into their way.
You clearly have a very romantic idea of the italian mafia.
If you want to follow your Hitler obsession, look for a WWII based RPG.

Yes I do have a somewhat romantic view of the Italian mafia. But you can ask the Italian mafia how shocked they were of the brutality of the Albanian mafia, and then know that the Mexican cartels are magnitudes above that. The Italian mafia DID have a certain code of honour. Even among criminals there are big differences in how they operate. I know I'm talking to deaf ears, but I just think there's a big difference between some criminal organisations. Just try watching a documentary about any Mexican cartel and you should be able to see what I mean.

I don't exactly have an obsession with Hitler, but I think there's a reason in most WWII games you can't play as the SS. But fine, let me make another comparison. The Wehrmacht or regular German army were as an instrument of the Nazi regime evil. The SS though were evil on a whole other level. I see normal criminal organisations as evil, but Mexican cartels as evil on a whole other level.

And I think there's also a big difference of playing with a name of a former mafia, or extinct mafia and then a current one who has part in a war that costs thousands of lives every year, and with an unseen brutality.

Just because their name's sake died, doesn't mean Gambino family is not an actual still existing Mafia family. Even when Gotti was the Don, the organization was still known as Gambino family.

Your point does not get more valid. *shrug*

I know a family like the Gambino fam still exists, but it's NOTHING compared to what it was. But if you want me to compare the Gambino fam and the Mexican drug cartels, I can tell you that a fam like Gambino often chose to bribe people like government officials to get their way. Mexican cartels generally don't bribe, they only kill.

If you don't see a difference in brutality between "normal" organised crime groups and the Mexican cartels, then I can make no argument or point that will be valid in your eyes. I'm not saying the name Sinaloa should be illegal to use or anything like that. I'm just questioning the tastefulness in the name, and I think it's distasteful.
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23:38:38 - 26-02
Fillip at 23:34:52 on 26/02:
Only problem is that none will be afraid of scout club in mafia game :D

Well, I'd bet you would be (a)killed, so the name certainly has some notoriety ;)
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23:33:35 - 26-02
Fillip at 23:30:58 on 26/02:
@Novu

Next version we can make family called Hitler jugend.They didn't made any evil,were just a youth ;)

Totally, they were just a scouts club ;)