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Bugs Bugs Bugs?!
We just saw a few akills, which downed Righelli & Lucchese. So OBN started investigating what happened, speaking with some people to find out exactly what happpened.
A Top from a an unnamed family told OBN that he abused several bugs in Omerta. He only told Beyond about 2 in specific, but there are way and way more he told us. But these are the most used.
1. Bloodbank bug → When you have for example 99% health and you would go to the bloodbank and add the following DOM value in the input field "100e-2" you would end up with 199% health!
Here we have to ask, how long is this going on? Are there more families who knew about this? And what if they had all their members at 199% health, they just wouldn't be able to be brought down. I think of yesterdays war where tops of the attacking families state that Righelli highranks for example just didn't die. Same goes for countering families that said it was impossible to kill Messina accounts, while Messina was an agressor in the war, thus needing to have attack BG setups.
We have no proof here, but these are our first thoughts of course. We are not pointing any fingers!
2. Hitlist bug → So you want to hitlist a person but you don't have the required money? Another simple solution! If you would fill out "100e+6" in the input field you would hitlist a person for $100 million omerta dollars and it would only cost you $100 omerta dollars. Sounds like a fair deal to me!
We saw a lot of Messina people who got hitlisted a few days ago, and i think opponents of Messina may have used this bug to hitlist them.
Update: Some reporters saw, especially this version, rather weird bumps of money ingame. It was suddenly way higher than it ever was. An abuser explained to us how they did this.
They looked for a target, when they found him, they put this person on the hitlist and shot inmediatly. → free money!
Update²: If this is possible in the input fields at the Hitlist and the Bloodbank. Is it also possible to fill these codes in at all other input fields? If this is true it would mean that every aspect with an input field of the game could be abused by this bug. SH Time, Bullets used to shoot, Gambling, EVERYTHING.
We recieve images and logs from everyone that the bugs are also used to get extra RP and more bullets from the local factory then allowed.
A anonymous person showed me he bought 1337 units of beer as swindler and gained about 30% rank progess!
Another showed an image where he bought 10.000 bullets from the local factory. → http://i46.tinypic.com/2d7wqix.png
Should we start doubting at omerta and the "winners" of omerta the last few versions?
Lance Armstrong came clean yesterday, he told Oprah he used forbidden substitutes to perfom better and win the Tour de France. Did certain families also used these "methodes/substitutes" to win a version? or came out as winner in certain wars?
We just saw a few akills, which downed Righelli & Lucchese. So OBN started investigating what happened, speaking with some people to find out exactly what happpened.
A Top from a an unnamed family told OBN that he abused several bugs in Omerta. He only told Beyond about 2 in specific, but there are way and way more he told us. But these are the most used.
1. Bloodbank bug → When you have for example 99% health and you would go to the bloodbank and add the following DOM value in the input field "100e-2" you would end up with 199% health!
Here we have to ask, how long is this going on? Are there more families who knew about this? And what if they had all their members at 199% health, they just wouldn't be able to be brought down. I think of yesterdays war where tops of the attacking families state that Righelli highranks for example just didn't die. Same goes for countering families that said it was impossible to kill Messina accounts, while Messina was an agressor in the war, thus needing to have attack BG setups.
We have no proof here, but these are our first thoughts of course. We are not pointing any fingers!
2. Hitlist bug → So you want to hitlist a person but you don't have the required money? Another simple solution! If you would fill out "100e+6" in the input field you would hitlist a person for $100 million omerta dollars and it would only cost you $100 omerta dollars. Sounds like a fair deal to me!
We saw a lot of Messina people who got hitlisted a few days ago, and i think opponents of Messina may have used this bug to hitlist them.
Update: Some reporters saw, especially this version, rather weird bumps of money ingame. It was suddenly way higher than it ever was. An abuser explained to us how they did this.
They looked for a target, when they found him, they put this person on the hitlist and shot inmediatly. → free money!
Update²: If this is possible in the input fields at the Hitlist and the Bloodbank. Is it also possible to fill these codes in at all other input fields? If this is true it would mean that every aspect with an input field of the game could be abused by this bug. SH Time, Bullets used to shoot, Gambling, EVERYTHING.
We recieve images and logs from everyone that the bugs are also used to get extra RP and more bullets from the local factory then allowed.
A anonymous person showed me he bought 1337 units of beer as swindler and gained about 30% rank progess!
Another showed an image where he bought 10.000 bullets from the local factory. → http://i46.tinypic.com/2d7wqix.png
Should we start doubting at omerta and the "winners" of omerta the last few versions?
Lance Armstrong came clean yesterday, he told Oprah he used forbidden substitutes to perfom better and win the Tour de France. Did certain families also used these "methodes/substitutes" to win a version? or came out as winner in certain wars?
statements
/q sbanks | #beyond.info
statistics
| War started on: 14:49:02 18-01-2013 | War ended on: 15:01:00 18-01-2013 |
| Bullet difference: -1,481,519 | War duration: 11m |
| Money difference: -$1,065,804,084 | Players died: 19 |
deaths
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Changa at 16:12:41 on 18/01:
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Plain outright disgusted tbh, I said at the beginning of the version it was nice to see these two families back and playing, but I was totally wrong.
Anonymous (16:07:06 - 18-01)
Anonymous at 16:05:54 on 18/01:
Then ppl wonder why is this game dead...because of players like this....
Then ppl wonder why is this game dead...because of players like this....
lol just keep telling yourself that this is just the 2 families named in the article
Anonymous (16:05:54 - 18-01)
Then ppl wonder why is this game dead...because of players like this....
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
Kind of weird tbh :P
maddoxx (16:04:13 - 18-01)
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Anonymous (16:03:17 - 18-01)
well a question:
this bug works by killing too? so can shoot free bullets? ;')
this bug works by killing too? so can shoot free bullets? ;')
Anonymous (16:02:55 - 18-01)
Mikee at 15:50:02 on 18/01:
yep, we're playing since the beginning of omerta.. Just don't have as much noobs in our fam like you probably do:) Don't get all cocky about it
Anonymous at 15:46:05 on 18/01:
So you are saying that nobody from your loyal rankers and tops is abusing? :')
Mikee at 15:42:37 on 18/01:
very well arguments.
once again I ask you, would I die after 60k if i had 200% as 3.5 def?
You can ask my shooter how much damage I did in backfire, 30%:) So that kinda confirmes the 3.5 part.
Anonymous at 15:40:21 on 18/01:
you can deny it all you want..but it is a well known fact the you and your tops and loyal members AND you fam is famous for abusing bugs...
Mikee at 15:36:36 on 18/01:
if i had 200% i wouldnt die after 60k while still being 3.5 defence:)
but let's just see next time messina is under attack, we'll still die just as slow
Anonymous at 15:33:21 on 18/01:
Let me tell you something...it is a well known fact that Messina was abusing this bloodbank bug...ask an top who has alot of connections with fams and you will get it confirmed... so cut the crap Pannajunk
Let me tell you something...it is a well known fact that Messina was abusing this bloodbank bug...ask an top who has alot of connections with fams and you will get it confirmed... so cut the crap Pannajunk
but let's just see next time messina is under attack, we'll still die just as slow
you can deny it all you want..but it is a well known fact the you and your tops and loyal members AND you fam is famous for abusing bugs...
once again I ask you, would I die after 60k if i had 200% as 3.5 def?
You can ask my shooter how much damage I did in backfire, 30%:) So that kinda confirmes the 3.5 part.
So you are saying that nobody from your loyal rankers and tops is abusing? :')
Tell us about the bug, that generated a shitload of money for messina last few versions.
Anonymous (16:02:10 - 18-01)
Messina was also surviving 60k after 60k thats why its in the post. You all think this is based on nothing?
Froster at 15:54:06 on 18/01:
I can understand the point of view from the Messina top members. It is quite stupid to write names in your article based on nothing. The least you could do is replacing Messina's name by Lucchese or Righelli, since they got caught doing so. I would take this as an insult towards my fam is I was Messina top, regardless of the fact they bug abused alot in the past (if they even did, I was not aware they did so). Pretty invalid argument if you ask me.
I can understand the point of view from the Messina top members. It is quite stupid to write names in your article based on nothing. The least you could do is replacing Messina's name by Lucchese or Righelli, since they got caught doing so. I would take this as an insult towards my fam is I was Messina top, regardless of the fact they bug abused alot in the past (if they even did, I was not aware they did so). Pretty invalid argument if you ask me.
Thank you.
Yesterday Righelli were surviving 60k after 60k and today they get caught but Messina is the one getting named:P
I can understand the point of view from the Messina top members. It is quite stupid to write names in your article based on nothing. The least you could do is replacing Messina's name by Lucchese or Righelli, since they got caught doing so. I would take this as an insult towards my fam is I was Messina top, regardless of the fact they bug abused alot in the past (if they even did, I was not aware they did so). Pretty invalid argument if you ask me.
Anonymous (15:51:31 - 18-01)
Mikee at 15:50:02 on 18/01:
yep, we're playing since the beginning of omerta.. Just don't have as much noobs in our fam like you probably do:) Don't get all cocky about it
Anonymous at 15:46:05 on 18/01:
So you are saying that nobody from your loyal rankers and tops is abusing? :')
Mikee at 15:42:37 on 18/01:
very well arguments.
once again I ask you, would I die after 60k if i had 200% as 3.5 def?
You can ask my shooter how much damage I did in backfire, 30%:) So that kinda confirmes the 3.5 part.
Anonymous at 15:40:21 on 18/01:
you can deny it all you want..but it is a well known fact the you and your tops and loyal members AND you fam is famous for abusing bugs...
Mikee at 15:36:36 on 18/01:
if i had 200% i wouldnt die after 60k while still being 3.5 defence:)
but let's just see next time messina is under attack, we'll still die just as slow
Anonymous at 15:33:21 on 18/01:
Let me tell you something...it is a well known fact that Messina was abusing this bloodbank bug...ask an top who has alot of connections with fams and you will get it confirmed... so cut the crap Pannajunk
Let me tell you something...it is a well known fact that Messina was abusing this bloodbank bug...ask an top who has alot of connections with fams and you will get it confirmed... so cut the crap Pannajunk
but let's just see next time messina is under attack, we'll still die just as slow
you can deny it all you want..but it is a well known fact the you and your tops and loyal members AND you fam is famous for abusing bugs...
once again I ask you, would I die after 60k if i had 200% as 3.5 def?
You can ask my shooter how much damage I did in backfire, 30%:) So that kinda confirmes the 3.5 part.
So you are saying that nobody from your loyal rankers and tops is abusing? :')
Ok...we will see when your fam starts getting akills in the comming days... :')
Anonymous at 15:46:05 on 18/01:
So you are saying that nobody from your loyal rankers and tops is abusing? :')
Mikee at 15:42:37 on 18/01:
very well arguments.
once again I ask you, would I die after 60k if i had 200% as 3.5 def?
You can ask my shooter how much damage I did in backfire, 30%:) So that kinda confirmes the 3.5 part.
Anonymous at 15:40:21 on 18/01:
you can deny it all you want..but it is a well known fact the you and your tops and loyal members AND you fam is famous for abusing bugs...
Mikee at 15:36:36 on 18/01:
if i had 200% i wouldnt die after 60k while still being 3.5 defence:)
but let's just see next time messina is under attack, we'll still die just as slow
Anonymous at 15:33:21 on 18/01:
Let me tell you something...it is a well known fact that Messina was abusing this bloodbank bug...ask an top who has alot of connections with fams and you will get it confirmed... so cut the crap Pannajunk
Let me tell you something...it is a well known fact that Messina was abusing this bloodbank bug...ask an top who has alot of connections with fams and you will get it confirmed... so cut the crap Pannajunk
but let's just see next time messina is under attack, we'll still die just as slow
you can deny it all you want..but it is a well known fact the you and your tops and loyal members AND you fam is famous for abusing bugs...
once again I ask you, would I die after 60k if i had 200% as 3.5 def?
You can ask my shooter how much damage I did in backfire, 30%:) So that kinda confirmes the 3.5 part.
So you are saying that nobody from your loyal rankers and tops is abusing? :')
even i died after 60k :)
i don't see why your dragging Messina in this?
we arnt on the pillory.
and those which didn't die had full Deff.
and no backup shooter before an hour later which means the bgs was already fully trained again.
Anonymous at 15:46:05 on 18/01:
So you are saying that nobody from your loyal rankers and tops is abusing? :')
Mikee at 15:42:37 on 18/01:
very well arguments.
once again I ask you, would I die after 60k if i had 200% as 3.5 def?
You can ask my shooter how much damage I did in backfire, 30%:) So that kinda confirmes the 3.5 part.
Anonymous at 15:40:21 on 18/01:
you can deny it all you want..but it is a well known fact the you and your tops and loyal members AND you fam is famous for abusing bugs...
Mikee at 15:36:36 on 18/01:
if i had 200% i wouldnt die after 60k while still being 3.5 defence:)
but let's just see next time messina is under attack, we'll still die just as slow
Anonymous at 15:33:21 on 18/01:
Let me tell you something...it is a well known fact that Messina was abusing this bloodbank bug...ask an top who has alot of connections with fams and you will get it confirmed... so cut the crap Pannajunk
Let me tell you something...it is a well known fact that Messina was abusing this bloodbank bug...ask an top who has alot of connections with fams and you will get it confirmed... so cut the crap Pannajunk
but let's just see next time messina is under attack, we'll still die just as slow
you can deny it all you want..but it is a well known fact the you and your tops and loyal members AND you fam is famous for abusing bugs...
once again I ask you, would I die after 60k if i had 200% as 3.5 def?
You can ask my shooter how much damage I did in backfire, 30%:) So that kinda confirmes the 3.5 part.
So you are saying that nobody from your loyal rankers and tops is abusing? :')
Anonymous (15:49:48 - 18-01)
sbanks at 15:42:37 on 18/01:
explanation #1
explanation #2
same what u see on calculators
also PHP just sees this a normal number, so it has always been possible, weird admins never protected the input fields
Arcanine at 15:27:15 on 18/01:
What do these codes mean anyway?
It makes no sense that there is some kind of magic code like 100e-2 that gives you stuff.
Developer gone rogue?
What do these codes mean anyway?
It makes no sense that there is some kind of magic code like 100e-2 that gives you stuff.
Developer gone rogue?
explanation #1
explanation #2
same what u see on calculators
also PHP just sees this a normal number, so it has always been possible, weird admins never protected the input fields
normal field validation is number one if you want to call yourself beginning programmer imo
PannaJunk at 15:44:58 on 18/01:
I drag you in because you had a strong acc too and since you are OB crew dont point fingers to sbanks. If sbanks led dig it i would mention him. I dont know if you cheated Smul and tbh i wouldnt care the fact is people are named in this topic who arent even proven guilty. Write about a fam who just got gaught not about a fam who didnt got gaught.
Smul at 15:41:42 on 18/01:
Why are you attacking me personally? Frustrated much? Have you seen who wrote this article. My only comment I made in this topic was actually Pro-Messina.
PannaJunk at 15:39:22 on 18/01:
Messina tops are legit to, why do you drag them in this news topic ?
Smul at 15:35:03 on 18/01:
Different KA :) Rob saved my ass twice.
It's funny how you are trying to drag other people down with you.
You can think whatever you want about my Pepino account, but it was legit. I've always been legit.
PannaJunk at 15:32:59 on 18/01:
Well Smul you yourself also never died in the big DIG IT versions, what about that ?
Well Smul you yourself also never died in the big DIG IT versions, what about that ?
Different KA :) Rob saved my ass twice.
It's funny how you are trying to drag other people down with you.
You can think whatever you want about my Pepino account, but it was legit. I've always been legit.
Messina tops are legit to, why do you drag them in this news topic ?
Why are you attacking me personally? Frustrated much? Have you seen who wrote this article. My only comment I made in this topic was actually Pro-Messina.
I drag you in because you had a strong acc too and since you are OB crew dont point fingers to sbanks. If sbanks led dig it i would mention him. I dont know if you cheated Smul and tbh i wouldnt care the fact is people are named in this topic who arent even proven guilty. Write about a fam who just got gaught not about a fam who didnt got gaught.
I had a strong account which was compared to other accounts strong. Often enough I still get people in my PM asking for "gimme screenshot" "Aren't you the guy with the Pepino account?" and shit like that. (not to brag but just goes to show that even after years it's still considered as something insane by certain people). It wasn't an ordinary "strong account".
Sbanks posted this before showing it to me, and now it's too late to remove anything. As far as my knowledge goes and mostly in a retrospective way now that I know about some of these bugs, I assume this abuse started (on a bigger scale) around the 3.3 version, maybe slightly earlier.
Anonymous (15:48:34 - 18-01)
sbanks at 15:42:37 on 18/01:
explanation
same what u see on calculators
also PHP just sees this a normal number, so it has always been possible, weird admins never protected the input fields
Arcanine at 15:27:15 on 18/01:
What do these codes mean anyway?
It makes no sense that there is some kind of magic code like 100e-2 that gives you stuff.
Developer gone rogue?
What do these codes mean anyway?
It makes no sense that there is some kind of magic code like 100e-2 that gives you stuff.
Developer gone rogue?
explanation
same what u see on calculators
also PHP just sees this a normal number, so it has always been possible, weird admins never protected the input fields
I don't understand that part either. It's basically the first thing you test in a game like this. I've been testing some other game once and the first two things I tested were using e-notation and trying things with decimal dots. Both gave me an excessive amount of money at the time, but were immediately fixed.
Apart from that I think it's not bad to punish families for cheating. As we can see from the akills, it wasn't just the don of Lucchese that was cheating for instance, but basically most of the top. However, admins would have to crosscheck their databases for all families - putting the game on hold for a few days. The only thing that can be done atm to clear the mistakes is shut down the game for a few weeks, doe some extensive testing (I'm sure certain players are willing to cooperate) and then, when all's fixed, reset the bloody thing.
O well, people will probably disagree. Then again: just stop buying DCs.
Anonymous (15:48:00 - 18-01)
Admins are right this time <3
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious