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The ISPP alliance (Audacia, Darkness, Inizio, Prospero, Silentium, Vedici) is being attacked by a large number of families.
In the first wave of the attackers we saw 50 new deaths, with only a few backfire kills. Barafranca only let us log the last 20 names of the deaths, so we missed out 30 names! We try to get all those names updated asap. -> All should be updated now, if u see 1 i missed, leave a message. During this one statistics page update there were already nearly 10 million bullets lost.
The targets seem to be divided like this :
Lucchese → Darkness
Marazzino/Troy/Targaryens + Nazdrovia → Prospero
Favians + Trafficante/Pistoleros + Catania + Volontario + Valerio/Rogero → Inizio
Wargasm/Cannabis → Vedici
Righelli + Cristeria + Leone → Audacia & Silentium
In the first wave of the attackers we saw 50 new deaths, with only a few backfire kills. Barafranca only let us log the last 20 names of the deaths, so we missed out 30 names! We try to get all those names updated asap. -> All should be updated now, if u see 1 i missed, leave a message. During this one statistics page update there were already nearly 10 million bullets lost.
The targets seem to be divided like this :
Lucchese → Darkness
Marazzino/Troy/Targaryens + Nazdrovia → Prospero
Favians + Trafficante/Pistoleros + Catania + Volontario + Valerio/Rogero → Inizio
Wargasm/Cannabis → Vedici
Righelli + Cristeria + Leone → Audacia & Silentium
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ReBorN (Lucchese): Lets get the most important item out of the way first - Lucchese was not blooded to the ISPP alliance. We played a very small part in this war and the ONLY reason we participated is because we had logs showing that ISPP intended to shoot some of our Bloods soon, and then turn their guns on us eventually.
Of course our first choice would not have been to shoot against ISPP as we shot together a few times already this version but we will not be used as a puppet and then thrown away later when there is no more need for us.
As far as ISPP "saving our asses" this is simply not true. You can spin it however you want but the simple fact remains that Lucchese's BLOODS are the reason we are still alive. Only our Bloods prevented us from going down in the war on 11-01. As a matter of fact, the war on 10-01 had nothing to do with Lucchese. We were dragged into a war with Pentagram because of a poor choice by a blood and ISPP. We did what we had to do because a Blood was in danger so we helped to shoot Pentagram.
If ISPP feels they "saved our ass" on 11-01 then they were obviously only repaying the favor from 10-01 when we saved their asses. But ofc, we really think ISPP and Lucchese didnt owe each other anything.
/q sbanks | #beyond.info
Of course our first choice would not have been to shoot against ISPP as we shot together a few times already this version but we will not be used as a puppet and then thrown away later when there is no more need for us.
As far as ISPP "saving our asses" this is simply not true. You can spin it however you want but the simple fact remains that Lucchese's BLOODS are the reason we are still alive. Only our Bloods prevented us from going down in the war on 11-01. As a matter of fact, the war on 10-01 had nothing to do with Lucchese. We were dragged into a war with Pentagram because of a poor choice by a blood and ISPP. We did what we had to do because a Blood was in danger so we helped to shoot Pentagram.
If ISPP feels they "saved our ass" on 11-01 then they were obviously only repaying the favor from 10-01 when we saved their asses. But ofc, we really think ISPP and Lucchese didnt owe each other anything.
/q sbanks | #beyond.info
statistics
| War started on: 18:59:00 16-01-2013 | War ended on: 12:01:01 17-01-2013 |
| Bullet difference: -33,102,298 | War duration: 17h 2m |
| Money difference: -$2,651,063,384 | Players died: 321 |
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Space at 00:01:22 on 17/01:
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Your talking alot of "if's" here. If ISPP didnt jump in to help GRAVANO then Lucchese would have died? While hypothetically that MAY have happened, its not what happened. One can not be certain what the families shooting Gravano would have done after they took them down. All I know as a fact is that Lucchese's Bloods killed the families that were shooting Lucchese. ISPP did not shoot the families that were shooting Lucchese. You can talk all you want about hypothetical's but the fact is, no one can say for sure.
As far as Pentagram is concerned, of course there was always the thought that they might shoot us, but we didnt think that day was 10-01. At the time we were quite happy leaving the situation the way it was. ISPP made a poor decision and accidentally shot one of your Bloods sister families which pulled us into the conflict. Again, hypothetical's. The fact? Lucchese had no plans on the table to shoot Pentagram. Eventually, maybe, who knows. But it is not something we were planning as we were comfortable with the situation at hand.
We used ISPP?! Thats absurd! How do you figure that one? We had 3 wars:
The first was mutually planned
The second started with ISPP shooting as sister of Pentagram
The third was ISPP jumping in for Gravano, not Lucchese.
Please explain to me how this is using ISPP.
CojoW at 00:07:30 on 17/01:
Amen.
Space at 00:01:22 on 17/01:
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Amen.
Indd, nothing to add.
Space at 00:01:22 on 17/01:
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Amen.
Space at 00:01:22 on 17/01:
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
I agree
Space (00:01:22 - 17-01)
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Froster at 23:55:34 on 16/01:
I believe, but am not entirely certain, this was a reaction to the Turkish pact cowardly 20v1 ripping off every family last version.
Anonymous at 23:52:27 on 16/01:
Can anyone explain to me why all players coming from .nl need to get together in the same fam/group of fams? Why can't good part of them split out over some established fams as well? In this way it is just logical you see lots of racism going on in the game. (whether it's against dutch, kosovars, turks, britons or whatever)
Can anyone explain to me why all players coming from .nl need to get together in the same fam/group of fams? Why can't good part of them split out over some established fams as well? In this way it is just logical you see lots of racism going on in the game. (whether it's against dutch, kosovars, turks, britons or whatever)
I believe, but am not entirely certain, this was a reaction to the Turkish pact cowardly 20v1 ripping off every family last version.
More or less Froster and also, loads of the players from .nl have never played .com before and were looking for some familiarity as did some tops of .nl want to try out on .com. As for mister anonymous you can also reflect this question to the other nationalities that often also hoard together in one fam :)
Anonymous (23:57:18 - 16-01)
Anonymous at 23:51:05 on 16/01:
Wouldn't want to bust your balls but is Cojow and Simitzer brainwashing you guys?
1- What trust are you talking about, you shot 2 of your own bloods (penta/purga), maybe thats a ok thing in NL but in com if you do shit like that don't expect any fam to trust you ;)
2- How do you expect your other bloods like tataglia/memento to help you when you are in a situation like this? They were probably worried that you would shoot them next LOL
3- I don't think after tonight messina/gravano is very happy with lucchese,marazzino,catania,righelli since all these fams are connected to messina/gravano in a way.
4- Dont underestimate Marazzino, if it wasn't for them some fams up right now wouldn't have been ;)
Bosco at 23:30:23 on 16/01:
Maybe true, I don't know what was going on behind the curtains I was no top and all but I played at Lucchese 2 versions ago and quirites the version before that I think and I knew that Smitzer/Cojow would be drawn towards Lucchese/Messina and co due the history. I am not saying it is a bad or a good thing, it just narrows the options you have when you come from .nl version. You come in as a new alliance and cannot expect the other fams to just walk up to you and say can we be bloods, because there probably is not any trust. Then I learned today that gravano and messina where our bloods not lucchese which i expected to be bloods with ISPP together with Messina. this all creates a predicament I would not like to have on .nl :) or in poker almost no outs :). As for your argument about marazzino. I do not take high on marazzino as they almost always shoot with the winning side IMO.
Maybe true, I don't know what was going on behind the curtains I was no top and all but I played at Lucchese 2 versions ago and quirites the version before that I think and I knew that Smitzer/Cojow would be drawn towards Lucchese/Messina and co due the history. I am not saying it is a bad or a good thing, it just narrows the options you have when you come from .nl version. You come in as a new alliance and cannot expect the other fams to just walk up to you and say can we be bloods, because there probably is not any trust. Then I learned today that gravano and messina where our bloods not lucchese which i expected to be bloods with ISPP together with Messina. this all creates a predicament I would not like to have on .nl :) or in poker almost no outs :). As for your argument about marazzino. I do not take high on marazzino as they almost always shoot with the winning side IMO.
Wouldn't want to bust your balls but is Cojow and Simitzer brainwashing you guys?
1- What trust are you talking about, you shot 2 of your own bloods (penta/purga), maybe thats a ok thing in NL but in com if you do shit like that don't expect any fam to trust you ;)
2- How do you expect your other bloods like tataglia/memento to help you when you are in a situation like this? They were probably worried that you would shoot them next LOL
3- I don't think after tonight messina/gravano is very happy with lucchese,marazzino,catania,righelli since all these fams are connected to messina/gravano in a way.
4- Dont underestimate Marazzino, if it wasn't for them some fams up right now wouldn't have been ;)
Pentagram deserved to die after last version, and apparently ISSP still had some old score to settle from 3.0. In short everybody wanted a piece of them. And I hope we won't see them ever again on .com.
Purgatory was a complete different story. Purgatory shot on that big war on attacker's side and ISSP on defender's. And I think Purga got killed by Lucchese and their bloods and not by ISSP. But I dunno for sure.
Anonymous at 23:52:27 on 16/01:
Can anyone explain to me why all players coming from .nl need to get together in the same fam/group of fams? Why can't good part of them split out over some established fams as well? In this way it is just logical you see lots of racism going on in the game. (whether it's against dutch, kosovars, turks, britons or whatever)
Can anyone explain to me why all players coming from .nl need to get together in the same fam/group of fams? Why can't good part of them split out over some established fams as well? In this way it is just logical you see lots of racism going on in the game. (whether it's against dutch, kosovars, turks, britons or whatever)
I believe, but am not entirely certain, this was a reaction to the Turkish pact cowardly 20v1 ripping off every family last version.
Anonymous at 23:44:57 on 16/01:
Y
So did ispp.. and lucchese, and Messina and many more.
Y
Bosco at 23:30:23 on 16/01:
Maybe true, I don't know what was going on behind the curtains I was no top and all but I played at Lucchese 2 versions ago and quirites the version before that I think and I knew that Smitzer/Cojow would be drawn towards Lucchese/Messina and co due the history. I am not saying it is a bad or a good thing, it just narrows the options you have when you come from .nl version. You come in as a new alliance and cannot expect the other fams to just walk up to you and say can we be bloods, because there probably is not any trust. Then I learned today that gravano and messina where our bloods not lucchese which i expected to be bloods with ISPP together with Messina. this all creates a predicament I would not like to have on .nl :) or in poker almost no outs :). As for your argument about marazzino. I do not take high on marazzino as they almost always shoot with the winning side IMO.
Anonymous at 23:15:39 on 16/01:
1 family is enough, if you don't have an attitude when you won 1 or 2 wars. Marazzino is playing this with 2 families and 4 bloods and they're doing fine.
Next to the fact that you regret you jumped for Gravano / Messina, that would've probably killed your bloods memento and Gravano (perhaps Messina), Provenzano would probably not have intervened with the counter that was going on by Maraz / Righelli / Catania because that would've cost them their heads too.
That would make you bad bloods and a fam without any bloods left.
Bosco at 23:09:37 on 16/01:
sure you could say that, but not stepping in of ISPP would make the damage for the fams you mention a lot bigger, could have even been their downfall. however, talking afterwards is always easier. It is unfortunate that as many have pointed out 6 fams is not even enough anymore in this game to rule you need at least 8+ and this is unfortunately the same on .nl on a smaller scale.
Anonymous at 23:02:27 on 16/01:
Well ISPP countered on the fams attacking Gravano/Memento/Messina, So abit of a void argument. Righelli, Catania and Maraz could be visibly seen shooting for Lucchese.
Bosco at 22:59:18 on 16/01:
Ignoring the fact that if ISPP didn't step in in the war for lucchese is just ignorant. we all saw that lucchese was going down hard and we can't ignore the fact that ISPP stepped in. In retrospect I wish we did not step in, would have saved us a lot of bullets/money and some accounts and would have made the 13 fams that are shooting us now at least smaller and maybe this war would be prevented due to the fact that the other parties would still have to face eachother or the pact would be bulletless.
However, we chose otherwise and lets take learn from it and move on. We will be back, I don't know if it will be this version reranking on .com is **** slow, but perhaps next time families will think twice about the ISPP alliance.
As for backstabbing etcetera, choices have to be made. I ain't no top of the ISPP, but you got to chose what is best for your family as ReBorn points out. I do not agree with his top statement however as my first sentence shows, but I guess pleasing the crowd gets you a long way untill the bubble bursts :)
Ignoring the fact that if ISPP didn't step in in the war for lucchese is just ignorant. we all saw that lucchese was going down hard and we can't ignore the fact that ISPP stepped in. In retrospect I wish we did not step in, would have saved us a lot of bullets/money and some accounts and would have made the 13 fams that are shooting us now at least smaller and maybe this war would be prevented due to the fact that the other parties would still have to face eachother or the pact would be bulletless.
However, we chose otherwise and lets take learn from it and move on. We will be back, I don't know if it will be this version reranking on .com is **** slow, but perhaps next time families will think twice about the ISPP alliance.
As for backstabbing etcetera, choices have to be made. I ain't no top of the ISPP, but you got to chose what is best for your family as ReBorn points out. I do not agree with his top statement however as my first sentence shows, but I guess pleasing the crowd gets you a long way untill the bubble bursts :)
Well ISPP countered on the fams attacking Gravano/Memento/Messina, So abit of a void argument. Righelli, Catania and Maraz could be visibly seen shooting for Lucchese.
sure you could say that, but not stepping in of ISPP would make the damage for the fams you mention a lot bigger, could have even been their downfall. however, talking afterwards is always easier. It is unfortunate that as many have pointed out 6 fams is not even enough anymore in this game to rule you need at least 8+ and this is unfortunately the same on .nl on a smaller scale.
1 family is enough, if you don't have an attitude when you won 1 or 2 wars. Marazzino is playing this with 2 families and 4 bloods and they're doing fine.
Next to the fact that you regret you jumped for Gravano / Messina, that would've probably killed your bloods memento and Gravano (perhaps Messina), Provenzano would probably not have intervened with the counter that was going on by Maraz / Righelli / Catania because that would've cost them their heads too.
That would make you bad bloods and a fam without any bloods left.
Maybe true, I don't know what was going on behind the curtains I was no top and all but I played at Lucchese 2 versions ago and quirites the version before that I think and I knew that Smitzer/Cojow would be drawn towards Lucchese/Messina and co due the history. I am not saying it is a bad or a good thing, it just narrows the options you have when you come from .nl version. You come in as a new alliance and cannot expect the other fams to just walk up to you and say can we be bloods, because there probably is not any trust. Then I learned today that gravano and messina where our bloods not lucchese which i expected to be bloods with ISPP together with Messina. this all creates a predicament I would not like to have on .nl :) or in poker almost no outs :). As for your argument about marazzino. I do not take high on marazzino as they almost always shoot with the winning side IMO.
So did ispp.. and lucchese, and Messina and many more.
I disagree messina and lucchese are often the brains behind pacts/bloodlines etcetera. Which consequently means either they are the target or they target people. Marazzino often does not plan does not take the lead but just chooses a side. I don't know all the facts, but as many have stated before that lucchese is the brains and in previous versions messina, I still think of them as doing that.
As for the lame ass idiot saying we should go back to .nl, that is a very foolish thing to say as for omerta it would be a loss in revenue and for you a loss in gameplay, I won't even go into the fact that dutch fams often play a big role in versions.
Anonymous (23:52:27 - 16-01)
Can anyone explain to me why all players coming from .nl need to get together in the same fam/group of fams? Why can't good part of them split out over some established fams as well? In this way it is just logical you see lots of racism going on in the game. (whether it's against dutch, kosovars, turks, britons or whatever)
Anonymous (23:51:05 - 16-01)
Bosco at 23:30:23 on 16/01:
Maybe true, I don't know what was going on behind the curtains I was no top and all but I played at Lucchese 2 versions ago and quirites the version before that I think and I knew that Smitzer/Cojow would be drawn towards Lucchese/Messina and co due the history. I am not saying it is a bad or a good thing, it just narrows the options you have when you come from .nl version. You come in as a new alliance and cannot expect the other fams to just walk up to you and say can we be bloods, because there probably is not any trust. Then I learned today that gravano and messina where our bloods not lucchese which i expected to be bloods with ISPP together with Messina. this all creates a predicament I would not like to have on .nl :) or in poker almost no outs :). As for your argument about marazzino. I do not take high on marazzino as they almost always shoot with the winning side IMO.
Maybe true, I don't know what was going on behind the curtains I was no top and all but I played at Lucchese 2 versions ago and quirites the version before that I think and I knew that Smitzer/Cojow would be drawn towards Lucchese/Messina and co due the history. I am not saying it is a bad or a good thing, it just narrows the options you have when you come from .nl version. You come in as a new alliance and cannot expect the other fams to just walk up to you and say can we be bloods, because there probably is not any trust. Then I learned today that gravano and messina where our bloods not lucchese which i expected to be bloods with ISPP together with Messina. this all creates a predicament I would not like to have on .nl :) or in poker almost no outs :). As for your argument about marazzino. I do not take high on marazzino as they almost always shoot with the winning side IMO.
Wouldn't want to bust your balls but is Cojow and Simitzer brainwashing you guys?
1- What trust are you talking about, you shot 2 of your own bloods (penta/purga), maybe thats a ok thing in NL but in com if you do shit like that don't expect any fam to trust you ;)
2- How do you expect your other bloods like tataglia/memento to help you when you are in a situation like this? They were probably worried that you would shoot them next LOL
3- I don't think after tonight messina/gravano is very happy with lucchese,marazzino,catania,righelli since all these fams are connected to messina/gravano in a way.
4- Dont underestimate Marazzino, if it wasn't for them some fams up right now wouldn't have been ;)
Anonymous at 23:46:45 on 16/01:
just go to .nl pussies :w
just go to .nl pussies :w
Quiritas. Need I say more? Besides, without .nl players on this version you would look at a decrease of let's say 500 highrank players? You can't be a little sportive by saying something like; just rerank and try a second time? Jesus man.. just pathetic..
Anonymous (23:46:45 - 16-01)
just go to .nl pussies :w
Anonymous (23:44:57 - 16-01)
Y
So did ispp.. and lucchese, and Messina and many more.
Bosco at 23:30:23 on 16/01:
Maybe true, I don't know what was going on behind the curtains I was no top and all but I played at Lucchese 2 versions ago and quirites the version before that I think and I knew that Smitzer/Cojow would be drawn towards Lucchese/Messina and co due the history. I am not saying it is a bad or a good thing, it just narrows the options you have when you come from .nl version. You come in as a new alliance and cannot expect the other fams to just walk up to you and say can we be bloods, because there probably is not any trust. Then I learned today that gravano and messina where our bloods not lucchese which i expected to be bloods with ISPP together with Messina. this all creates a predicament I would not like to have on .nl :) or in poker almost no outs :). As for your argument about marazzino. I do not take high on marazzino as they almost always shoot with the winning side IMO.
Anonymous at 23:15:39 on 16/01:
1 family is enough, if you don't have an attitude when you won 1 or 2 wars. Marazzino is playing this with 2 families and 4 bloods and they're doing fine.
Next to the fact that you regret you jumped for Gravano / Messina, that would've probably killed your bloods memento and Gravano (perhaps Messina), Provenzano would probably not have intervened with the counter that was going on by Maraz / Righelli / Catania because that would've cost them their heads too.
That would make you bad bloods and a fam without any bloods left.
Bosco at 23:09:37 on 16/01:
sure you could say that, but not stepping in of ISPP would make the damage for the fams you mention a lot bigger, could have even been their downfall. however, talking afterwards is always easier. It is unfortunate that as many have pointed out 6 fams is not even enough anymore in this game to rule you need at least 8+ and this is unfortunately the same on .nl on a smaller scale.
Anonymous at 23:02:27 on 16/01:
Well ISPP countered on the fams attacking Gravano/Memento/Messina, So abit of a void argument. Righelli, Catania and Maraz could be visibly seen shooting for Lucchese.
Bosco at 22:59:18 on 16/01:
Ignoring the fact that if ISPP didn't step in in the war for lucchese is just ignorant. we all saw that lucchese was going down hard and we can't ignore the fact that ISPP stepped in. In retrospect I wish we did not step in, would have saved us a lot of bullets/money and some accounts and would have made the 13 fams that are shooting us now at least smaller and maybe this war would be prevented due to the fact that the other parties would still have to face eachother or the pact would be bulletless.
However, we chose otherwise and lets take learn from it and move on. We will be back, I don't know if it will be this version reranking on .com is **** slow, but perhaps next time families will think twice about the ISPP alliance.
As for backstabbing etcetera, choices have to be made. I ain't no top of the ISPP, but you got to chose what is best for your family as ReBorn points out. I do not agree with his top statement however as my first sentence shows, but I guess pleasing the crowd gets you a long way untill the bubble bursts :)
Ignoring the fact that if ISPP didn't step in in the war for lucchese is just ignorant. we all saw that lucchese was going down hard and we can't ignore the fact that ISPP stepped in. In retrospect I wish we did not step in, would have saved us a lot of bullets/money and some accounts and would have made the 13 fams that are shooting us now at least smaller and maybe this war would be prevented due to the fact that the other parties would still have to face eachother or the pact would be bulletless.
However, we chose otherwise and lets take learn from it and move on. We will be back, I don't know if it will be this version reranking on .com is **** slow, but perhaps next time families will think twice about the ISPP alliance.
As for backstabbing etcetera, choices have to be made. I ain't no top of the ISPP, but you got to chose what is best for your family as ReBorn points out. I do not agree with his top statement however as my first sentence shows, but I guess pleasing the crowd gets you a long way untill the bubble bursts :)
Well ISPP countered on the fams attacking Gravano/Memento/Messina, So abit of a void argument. Righelli, Catania and Maraz could be visibly seen shooting for Lucchese.
sure you could say that, but not stepping in of ISPP would make the damage for the fams you mention a lot bigger, could have even been their downfall. however, talking afterwards is always easier. It is unfortunate that as many have pointed out 6 fams is not even enough anymore in this game to rule you need at least 8+ and this is unfortunately the same on .nl on a smaller scale.
1 family is enough, if you don't have an attitude when you won 1 or 2 wars. Marazzino is playing this with 2 families and 4 bloods and they're doing fine.
Next to the fact that you regret you jumped for Gravano / Messina, that would've probably killed your bloods memento and Gravano (perhaps Messina), Provenzano would probably not have intervened with the counter that was going on by Maraz / Righelli / Catania because that would've cost them their heads too.
That would make you bad bloods and a fam without any bloods left.
Maybe true, I don't know what was going on behind the curtains I was no top and all but I played at Lucchese 2 versions ago and quirites the version before that I think and I knew that Smitzer/Cojow would be drawn towards Lucchese/Messina and co due the history. I am not saying it is a bad or a good thing, it just narrows the options you have when you come from .nl version. You come in as a new alliance and cannot expect the other fams to just walk up to you and say can we be bloods, because there probably is not any trust. Then I learned today that gravano and messina where our bloods not lucchese which i expected to be bloods with ISPP together with Messina. this all creates a predicament I would not like to have on .nl :) or in poker almost no outs :). As for your argument about marazzino. I do not take high on marazzino as they almost always shoot with the winning side IMO.
So did ispp.. and lucchese, and Messina and many more.
Anonymous at 23:15:39 on 16/01:
1 family is enough, if you don't have an attitude when you won 1 or 2 wars. Marazzino is playing this with 2 families and 4 bloods and they're doing fine.
Next to the fact that you regret you jumped for Gravano / Messina, that would've probably killed your bloods memento and Gravano (perhaps Messina), Provenzano would probably not have intervened with the counter that was going on by Maraz / Righelli / Catania because that would've cost them their heads too.
That would make you bad bloods and a fam without any bloods left.
Bosco at 23:09:37 on 16/01:
sure you could say that, but not stepping in of ISPP would make the damage for the fams you mention a lot bigger, could have even been their downfall. however, talking afterwards is always easier. It is unfortunate that as many have pointed out 6 fams is not even enough anymore in this game to rule you need at least 8+ and this is unfortunately the same on .nl on a smaller scale.
Anonymous at 23:02:27 on 16/01:
Well ISPP countered on the fams attacking Gravano/Memento/Messina, So abit of a void argument. Righelli, Catania and Maraz could be visibly seen shooting for Lucchese.
Bosco at 22:59:18 on 16/01:
Ignoring the fact that if ISPP didn't step in in the war for lucchese is just ignorant. we all saw that lucchese was going down hard and we can't ignore the fact that ISPP stepped in. In retrospect I wish we did not step in, would have saved us a lot of bullets/money and some accounts and would have made the 13 fams that are shooting us now at least smaller and maybe this war would be prevented due to the fact that the other parties would still have to face eachother or the pact would be bulletless.
However, we chose otherwise and lets take learn from it and move on. We will be back, I don't know if it will be this version reranking on .com is **** slow, but perhaps next time families will think twice about the ISPP alliance.
As for backstabbing etcetera, choices have to be made. I ain't no top of the ISPP, but you got to chose what is best for your family as ReBorn points out. I do not agree with his top statement however as my first sentence shows, but I guess pleasing the crowd gets you a long way untill the bubble bursts :)
Ignoring the fact that if ISPP didn't step in in the war for lucchese is just ignorant. we all saw that lucchese was going down hard and we can't ignore the fact that ISPP stepped in. In retrospect I wish we did not step in, would have saved us a lot of bullets/money and some accounts and would have made the 13 fams that are shooting us now at least smaller and maybe this war would be prevented due to the fact that the other parties would still have to face eachother or the pact would be bulletless.
However, we chose otherwise and lets take learn from it and move on. We will be back, I don't know if it will be this version reranking on .com is **** slow, but perhaps next time families will think twice about the ISPP alliance.
As for backstabbing etcetera, choices have to be made. I ain't no top of the ISPP, but you got to chose what is best for your family as ReBorn points out. I do not agree with his top statement however as my first sentence shows, but I guess pleasing the crowd gets you a long way untill the bubble bursts :)
Well ISPP countered on the fams attacking Gravano/Memento/Messina, So abit of a void argument. Righelli, Catania and Maraz could be visibly seen shooting for Lucchese.
sure you could say that, but not stepping in of ISPP would make the damage for the fams you mention a lot bigger, could have even been their downfall. however, talking afterwards is always easier. It is unfortunate that as many have pointed out 6 fams is not even enough anymore in this game to rule you need at least 8+ and this is unfortunately the same on .nl on a smaller scale.
1 family is enough, if you don't have an attitude when you won 1 or 2 wars. Marazzino is playing this with 2 families and 4 bloods and they're doing fine.
Next to the fact that you regret you jumped for Gravano / Messina, that would've probably killed your bloods memento and Gravano (perhaps Messina), Provenzano would probably not have intervened with the counter that was going on by Maraz / Righelli / Catania because that would've cost them their heads too.
That would make you bad bloods and a fam without any bloods left.
Maybe true, I don't know what was going on behind the curtains I was no top and all but I played at Lucchese 2 versions ago and quirites the version before that I think and I knew that Smitzer/Cojow would be drawn towards Lucchese/Messina and co due the history. I am not saying it is a bad or a good thing, it just narrows the options you have when you come from .nl version. You come in as a new alliance and cannot expect the other fams to just walk up to you and say can we be bloods, because there probably is not any trust. Then I learned today that gravano and messina where our bloods not lucchese which i expected to be bloods with ISPP together with Messina. this all creates a predicament I would not like to have on .nl :) or in poker almost no outs :). As for your argument about marazzino. I do not take high on marazzino as they almost always shoot with the winning side IMO.
Anonymous (23:27:44 - 16-01)
Anonymous at 23:14:03 on 16/01:
i think that lucch with their top statment are trying to make public relations for next round and the most ammusing that i read is that they did not want to shoot at penta :D
i think that lucch with their top statment are trying to make public relations for next round and the most ammusing that i read is that they did not want to shoot at penta :D
The more interesting part in this statement and your interpretation is the relationship between Lucchese and Messina or Gravano. Oh that drama has potential.
Esp. if one bears in mind, that Lucchese is usually perceived as Messina without balls.
Nice to be proven wrong once in a while.
Pretty sure everyone expected a move like this to be made. However, never expected Lucchese would be on the attacking side. This is no bitching towards Lucchese, simply a statement based on my own observation from the last 2 weeks. I am no top member either so I do not know what happened between the ISPP alliance & Lucchese. Rip ISPP. As Bosco said, we will be back.
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Anonymous at 23:14:03 on 16/01:
i think that lucch with their top statment are trying to make public relations for next round and the most ammusing that i read is that they did not want to shoot at penta :D
i think that lucch with their top statment are trying to make public relations for next round and the most ammusing that i read is that they did not want to shoot at penta :D
Im trying that more families give statements so that we get a view/idea whats going on behind the curtains
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Your talking alot of "if's" here. If ISPP didnt jump in to help GRAVANO then Lucchese would have died? While hypothetically that MAY have happened, its not what happened. One can not be certain what the families shooting Gravano would have done after they took them down. All I know as a fact is that Lucchese's Bloods killed the families that were shooting Lucchese. ISPP did not shoot the families that were shooting Lucchese. You can talk all you want about hypothetical's but the fact is, no one can say for sure.
As far as Pentagram is concerned, of course there was always the thought that they might shoot us, but we didnt think that day was 10-01. At the time we were quite happy leaving the situation the way it was. ISPP made a poor decision and accidentally shot one of your Bloods sister families which pulled us into the conflict. Again, hypothetical's. The fact? Lucchese had no plans on the table to shoot Pentagram. Eventually, maybe, who knows. But it is not something we were planning as we were comfortable with the situation at hand.
We used ISPP?! Thats absurd! How do you figure that one? We had 3 wars:
The first was mutually planned
The second started with ISPP shooting as sister of Pentagram
The third was ISPP jumping in for Gravano, not Lucchese.
Please explain to me how this is using ISPP.