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The ISPP alliance (Audacia, Darkness, Inizio, Prospero, Silentium, Vedici) is being attacked by a large number of families.
In the first wave of the attackers we saw 50 new deaths, with only a few backfire kills. Barafranca only let us log the last 20 names of the deaths, so we missed out 30 names! We try to get all those names updated asap. -> All should be updated now, if u see 1 i missed, leave a message. During this one statistics page update there were already nearly 10 million bullets lost.
The targets seem to be divided like this :
Lucchese → Darkness
Marazzino/Troy/Targaryens + Nazdrovia → Prospero
Favians + Trafficante/Pistoleros + Catania + Volontario + Valerio/Rogero → Inizio
Wargasm/Cannabis → Vedici
Righelli + Cristeria + Leone → Audacia & Silentium
In the first wave of the attackers we saw 50 new deaths, with only a few backfire kills. Barafranca only let us log the last 20 names of the deaths, so we missed out 30 names! We try to get all those names updated asap. -> All should be updated now, if u see 1 i missed, leave a message. During this one statistics page update there were already nearly 10 million bullets lost.
The targets seem to be divided like this :
Lucchese → Darkness
Marazzino/Troy/Targaryens + Nazdrovia → Prospero
Favians + Trafficante/Pistoleros + Catania + Volontario + Valerio/Rogero → Inizio
Wargasm/Cannabis → Vedici
Righelli + Cristeria + Leone → Audacia & Silentium
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ReBorN (Lucchese): Lets get the most important item out of the way first - Lucchese was not blooded to the ISPP alliance. We played a very small part in this war and the ONLY reason we participated is because we had logs showing that ISPP intended to shoot some of our Bloods soon, and then turn their guns on us eventually.
Of course our first choice would not have been to shoot against ISPP as we shot together a few times already this version but we will not be used as a puppet and then thrown away later when there is no more need for us.
As far as ISPP "saving our asses" this is simply not true. You can spin it however you want but the simple fact remains that Lucchese's BLOODS are the reason we are still alive. Only our Bloods prevented us from going down in the war on 11-01. As a matter of fact, the war on 10-01 had nothing to do with Lucchese. We were dragged into a war with Pentagram because of a poor choice by a blood and ISPP. We did what we had to do because a Blood was in danger so we helped to shoot Pentagram.
If ISPP feels they "saved our ass" on 11-01 then they were obviously only repaying the favor from 10-01 when we saved their asses. But ofc, we really think ISPP and Lucchese didnt owe each other anything.
/q sbanks | #beyond.info
Of course our first choice would not have been to shoot against ISPP as we shot together a few times already this version but we will not be used as a puppet and then thrown away later when there is no more need for us.
As far as ISPP "saving our asses" this is simply not true. You can spin it however you want but the simple fact remains that Lucchese's BLOODS are the reason we are still alive. Only our Bloods prevented us from going down in the war on 11-01. As a matter of fact, the war on 10-01 had nothing to do with Lucchese. We were dragged into a war with Pentagram because of a poor choice by a blood and ISPP. We did what we had to do because a Blood was in danger so we helped to shoot Pentagram.
If ISPP feels they "saved our ass" on 11-01 then they were obviously only repaying the favor from 10-01 when we saved their asses. But ofc, we really think ISPP and Lucchese didnt owe each other anything.
/q sbanks | #beyond.info
statistics
| War started on: 18:59:00 16-01-2013 | War ended on: 12:01:01 17-01-2013 |
| Bullet difference: -33,102,298 | War duration: 17h 2m |
| Money difference: -$2,651,063,384 | Players died: 321 |
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Mikee at 19:36:03 on 16/01:
Totally agree, dissapointed bigtime in some of 'm
CojoW at 19:21:18 on 16/01:
We were only blooded to Gravano and Messina, nothing more, nothing less.
Congratz to the attackers, very disappointed in a few. They know who they are.
We'll be back :).
We were only blooded to Gravano and Messina, nothing more, nothing less.
Congratz to the attackers, very disappointed in a few. They know who they are.
We'll be back :).
Hello mister Bossman :-)
Anonymous (07:59:20 - 17-01)
Still laughing my ass off bout defending side only blaming lucchese. Common, we were with 13 fams, do you think that if they didn't shot we would have hold our guns!
We would have shot you whether those few shooters from lucchese joined in or not. And we would have done major damage still (maybe even exactly the same).
You made way more enemies than you think ISPP. Yes you have been played maybe but not neccesairly by Lucchese. They maybe helped you with penta, you helped them with another. Didn't mean you were bloods.
But yeah the meaning of bloods and ispp is far from being a typical relation. You keep hiding behind how lucchese played you. Well you played yourself. You fucked up 2 bloods. Don't go playing that you got played. Cause you played just as many or more.
We would have shot you whether those few shooters from lucchese joined in or not. And we would have done major damage still (maybe even exactly the same).
You made way more enemies than you think ISPP. Yes you have been played maybe but not neccesairly by Lucchese. They maybe helped you with penta, you helped them with another. Didn't mean you were bloods.
But yeah the meaning of bloods and ispp is far from being a typical relation. You keep hiding behind how lucchese played you. Well you played yourself. You fucked up 2 bloods. Don't go playing that you got played. Cause you played just as many or more.
Anonymous (06:38:20 - 17-01)
Anonymous at 00:54:35 on 17/01:
Regardless of who stabbed who and blablabla, I must say that the defenders did a hell of a job.
killed 23 brugs and only lost 143. Those are some impressive stats.
Regardless of who stabbed who and blablabla, I must say that the defenders did a hell of a job.
killed 23 brugs and only lost 143. Those are some impressive stats.
this is a joke right? did you check the ratios before the war?
it was like 1.15-1.20 vs 1 or so. Best ratio was not even 1.5 vs 1
so it was an impressive war which controlled by the attackers. with backup families , almost 20 fams get involved in it and there wasnt any leak which is an achivement only itself.
it wasnt a gangbang , it wasnt a leaked war. and there was always counter risk.
gratz to the shooters , RIP to all who died...
Anonymous (04:36:14 - 17-01)
Theme of this war
Space (02:05:53 - 17-01)
Anonymous at 01:53:13 on 17/01:
Someone that absolutely hated Pentagram pact last version should be cheering a 6 fam 150 brug alliance dies. Obviously you're biased when it comes up to your own alliances.
Space at 01:03:31 on 17/01:
Yes and this also counts for reborn. Look at this ISPP had 2 bloods on opposite sides that war, Purga and Messina/grava.
They choose to help mess/grava that war and shot provenzano, you say 17 brug but dont forget Prove consisted of how much 4/5 families in that alliance? Dont you actaully think that when this war happend that they even planned it out that Prove+ will eventaully help the attacking families that were shooting lucchese? Instead they got a counter from ISPP (while they have bloods on both sides)
You can say that oh well catania/righelli/maraz shot the attacking families. You are right but dont you think that the plan was set so well that actaully catania/righelli/maraz would receive bullets? There were some respectable families in that war that have planned before. So in general terms i would not be suprised to see (if ISPP had not jumped in) that Prove+ Would have helped the attacking families of lucchese. This would have made a clear path for the attackers as lucchese was heading downwards anyways. They had what 8 brugs left in the end?
The same attacking families would have shot catania/righelli/maraz when they were finished, im not saying that they would have survived but atleast brought some damage to make the war tonight on ISPP impossible.
Another instance is that ISPP joins their blood purgatory and shoots lucchese, with that this war of tonight would have not been possible because most of the families would have been down :')
But yeah a miss judgment it happens, no one can be blamed this is how the game goes, but the fact is that denying this is just disgracefull. I mean this is not hard to know if you have a little bit of insight of how political gameplay goes
Anonymous at 00:25:16 on 17/01:
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
In my oppinion every family that jumped in that war, jumped for their bloods. Only 17 Provenzano soldiers died that war, I'm sure Catania/Maraz/Righelli/Lucchese would have been able to handle that. I'm not even sure if Provenzano would even intervene in that counter.
Point is: Maraz/catania/righelli didn't jump in for any other family than Lucchese that war. Just like 14 other families jumped for their bloods that war. Including ISPP that jumped for Gravano, nobody else.
Last but not least: Reborn wants people to rerank because nobody does that these days, I saw people 'Retire' after the first war.... Well aren't these people mistaken, the version is wide open just 2 weeks later. The game will die if people don't rerank because the versions get shorter and shorter.
Johnny at 00:15:33 on 17/01:
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
Space at 00:01:22 on 17/01:
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
In my oppinion every family that jumped in that war, jumped for their bloods. Only 17 Provenzano soldiers died that war, I'm sure Catania/Maraz/Righelli/Lucchese would have been able to handle that. I'm not even sure if Provenzano would even intervene in that counter.
Point is: Maraz/catania/righelli didn't jump in for any other family than Lucchese that war. Just like 14 other families jumped for their bloods that war. Including ISPP that jumped for Gravano, nobody else.
Last but not least: Reborn wants people to rerank because nobody does that these days, I saw people 'Retire' after the first war.... Well aren't these people mistaken, the version is wide open just 2 weeks later. The game will die if people don't rerank because the versions get shorter and shorter.
Yes and this also counts for reborn. Look at this ISPP had 2 bloods on opposite sides that war, Purga and Messina/grava.
They choose to help mess/grava that war and shot provenzano, you say 17 brug but dont forget Prove consisted of how much 4/5 families in that alliance? Dont you actaully think that when this war happend that they even planned it out that Prove+ will eventaully help the attacking families that were shooting lucchese? Instead they got a counter from ISPP (while they have bloods on both sides)
You can say that oh well catania/righelli/maraz shot the attacking families. You are right but dont you think that the plan was set so well that actaully catania/righelli/maraz would receive bullets? There were some respectable families in that war that have planned before. So in general terms i would not be suprised to see (if ISPP had not jumped in) that Prove+ Would have helped the attacking families of lucchese. This would have made a clear path for the attackers as lucchese was heading downwards anyways. They had what 8 brugs left in the end?
The same attacking families would have shot catania/righelli/maraz when they were finished, im not saying that they would have survived but atleast brought some damage to make the war tonight on ISPP impossible.
Another instance is that ISPP joins their blood purgatory and shoots lucchese, with that this war of tonight would have not been possible because most of the families would have been down :')
But yeah a miss judgment it happens, no one can be blamed this is how the game goes, but the fact is that denying this is just disgracefull. I mean this is not hard to know if you have a little bit of insight of how political gameplay goes
Someone that absolutely hated Pentagram pact last version should be cheering a 6 fam 150 brug alliance dies. Obviously you're biased when it comes up to your own alliances.
lol
1. I never hated Pentagram I was disgusted by their gameplay (let people kill eachother than rape small fams) last version.
2. I'm not on the side of ISPP i just dont like seeing families get played like morons while they are big and can actaully do something that will drastically change a version for once.
3. I'm more disgusted by ISPP Alliance than I ever was of Pentagram because of the fact that they have bloods + a huge alliance.
4. I'm mobster and im poor no money for lackeys. Till I can afford to play than I will have biased opinions.
So by this I can say ISPP failed bigtime and like I mentioned before, will they learn? Or will they not as we have seen alot in this game.
Anonymous (01:53:13 - 17-01)
Space at 01:03:31 on 17/01:
Yes and this also counts for reborn. Look at this ISPP had 2 bloods on opposite sides that war, Purga and Messina/grava.
They choose to help mess/grava that war and shot provenzano, you say 17 brug but dont forget Prove consisted of how much 4/5 families in that alliance? Dont you actaully think that when this war happend that they even planned it out that Prove+ will eventaully help the attacking families that were shooting lucchese? Instead they got a counter from ISPP (while they have bloods on both sides)
You can say that oh well catania/righelli/maraz shot the attacking families. You are right but dont you think that the plan was set so well that actaully catania/righelli/maraz would receive bullets? There were some respectable families in that war that have planned before. So in general terms i would not be suprised to see (if ISPP had not jumped in) that Prove+ Would have helped the attacking families of lucchese. This would have made a clear path for the attackers as lucchese was heading downwards anyways. They had what 8 brugs left in the end?
The same attacking families would have shot catania/righelli/maraz when they were finished, im not saying that they would have survived but atleast brought some damage to make the war tonight on ISPP impossible.
Another instance is that ISPP joins their blood purgatory and shoots lucchese, with that this war of tonight would have not been possible because most of the families would have been down :')
But yeah a miss judgment it happens, no one can be blamed this is how the game goes, but the fact is that denying this is just disgracefull. I mean this is not hard to know if you have a little bit of insight of how political gameplay goes
Anonymous at 00:25:16 on 17/01:
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
In my oppinion every family that jumped in that war, jumped for their bloods. Only 17 Provenzano soldiers died that war, I'm sure Catania/Maraz/Righelli/Lucchese would have been able to handle that. I'm not even sure if Provenzano would even intervene in that counter.
Point is: Maraz/catania/righelli didn't jump in for any other family than Lucchese that war. Just like 14 other families jumped for their bloods that war. Including ISPP that jumped for Gravano, nobody else.
Last but not least: Reborn wants people to rerank because nobody does that these days, I saw people 'Retire' after the first war.... Well aren't these people mistaken, the version is wide open just 2 weeks later. The game will die if people don't rerank because the versions get shorter and shorter.
Johnny at 00:15:33 on 17/01:
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
Space at 00:01:22 on 17/01:
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
In my oppinion every family that jumped in that war, jumped for their bloods. Only 17 Provenzano soldiers died that war, I'm sure Catania/Maraz/Righelli/Lucchese would have been able to handle that. I'm not even sure if Provenzano would even intervene in that counter.
Point is: Maraz/catania/righelli didn't jump in for any other family than Lucchese that war. Just like 14 other families jumped for their bloods that war. Including ISPP that jumped for Gravano, nobody else.
Last but not least: Reborn wants people to rerank because nobody does that these days, I saw people 'Retire' after the first war.... Well aren't these people mistaken, the version is wide open just 2 weeks later. The game will die if people don't rerank because the versions get shorter and shorter.
Yes and this also counts for reborn. Look at this ISPP had 2 bloods on opposite sides that war, Purga and Messina/grava.
They choose to help mess/grava that war and shot provenzano, you say 17 brug but dont forget Prove consisted of how much 4/5 families in that alliance? Dont you actaully think that when this war happend that they even planned it out that Prove+ will eventaully help the attacking families that were shooting lucchese? Instead they got a counter from ISPP (while they have bloods on both sides)
You can say that oh well catania/righelli/maraz shot the attacking families. You are right but dont you think that the plan was set so well that actaully catania/righelli/maraz would receive bullets? There were some respectable families in that war that have planned before. So in general terms i would not be suprised to see (if ISPP had not jumped in) that Prove+ Would have helped the attacking families of lucchese. This would have made a clear path for the attackers as lucchese was heading downwards anyways. They had what 8 brugs left in the end?
The same attacking families would have shot catania/righelli/maraz when they were finished, im not saying that they would have survived but atleast brought some damage to make the war tonight on ISPP impossible.
Another instance is that ISPP joins their blood purgatory and shoots lucchese, with that this war of tonight would have not been possible because most of the families would have been down :')
But yeah a miss judgment it happens, no one can be blamed this is how the game goes, but the fact is that denying this is just disgracefull. I mean this is not hard to know if you have a little bit of insight of how political gameplay goes
Someone that absolutely hated Pentagram pact last version should be cheering a 6 fam 150 brug alliance dies. Obviously you're biased when it comes up to your own alliances.
Space (01:03:31 - 17-01)
Anonymous at 00:25:16 on 17/01:
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
In my oppinion every family that jumped in that war, jumped for their bloods. Only 17 Provenzano soldiers died that war, I'm sure Catania/Maraz/Righelli/Lucchese would have been able to handle that. I'm not even sure if Provenzano would even intervene in that counter.
Point is: Maraz/catania/righelli didn't jump in for any other family than Lucchese that war. Just like 14 other families jumped for their bloods that war. Including ISPP that jumped for Gravano, nobody else.
Last but not least: Reborn wants people to rerank because nobody does that these days, I saw people 'Retire' after the first war.... Well aren't these people mistaken, the version is wide open just 2 weeks later. The game will die if people don't rerank because the versions get shorter and shorter.
Johnny at 00:15:33 on 17/01:
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
Space at 00:01:22 on 17/01:
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
In my oppinion every family that jumped in that war, jumped for their bloods. Only 17 Provenzano soldiers died that war, I'm sure Catania/Maraz/Righelli/Lucchese would have been able to handle that. I'm not even sure if Provenzano would even intervene in that counter.
Point is: Maraz/catania/righelli didn't jump in for any other family than Lucchese that war. Just like 14 other families jumped for their bloods that war. Including ISPP that jumped for Gravano, nobody else.
Last but not least: Reborn wants people to rerank because nobody does that these days, I saw people 'Retire' after the first war.... Well aren't these people mistaken, the version is wide open just 2 weeks later. The game will die if people don't rerank because the versions get shorter and shorter.
Yes and this also counts for reborn. Look at this ISPP had 2 bloods on opposite sides that war, Purga and Messina/grava.
They choose to help mess/grava that war and shot provenzano, you say 17 brug but dont forget Prove consisted of how much 4/5 families in that alliance? Dont you actaully think that when this war happend that they even planned it out that Prove+ will eventaully help the attacking families that were shooting lucchese? Instead they got a counter from ISPP (while they have bloods on both sides)
You can say that oh well catania/righelli/maraz shot the attacking families. You are right but dont you think that the plan was set so well that actaully catania/righelli/maraz would receive bullets? There were some respectable families in that war that have planned before. So in general terms i would not be suprised to see (if ISPP had not jumped in) that Prove+ Would have helped the attacking families of lucchese. This would have made a clear path for the attackers as lucchese was heading downwards anyways. They had what 8 brugs left in the end?
The same attacking families would have shot catania/righelli/maraz when they were finished, im not saying that they would have survived but atleast brought some damage to make the war tonight on ISPP impossible.
Another instance is that ISPP joins their blood purgatory and shoots lucchese, with that this war of tonight would have not been possible because most of the families would have been down :')
But yeah a miss judgment it happens, no one can be blamed this is how the game goes, but the fact is that denying this is just disgracefull. I mean this is not hard to know if you have a little bit of insight of how political gameplay goes
Anonymous (00:54:35 - 17-01)
Regardless of who stabbed who and blablabla, I must say that the defenders did a hell of a job.
killed 23 brugs and only lost 143. Those are some impressive stats.
killed 23 brugs and only lost 143. Those are some impressive stats.
Anonymous (00:46:10 - 17-01)
Johnny at 00:43:35 on 17/01:
Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If you ask me Marazzino Catania Righelli did help Gravano or Messina, simply by shooting in that war on same side. You can theory craft about what would happen if, but I have no intention to do so. Does that mean Gravano owes something to Marazzino, or that Lucchese owes something to ISPP, no it doesn't. But imo fact remains that Marazzino/ISPP helped Gravano/Lucchese in that war simply by shooting on same side even if not on same targets. There shouldn't be nice or not nice on Omerta, all good deeds you did fall down if your next action is bad. So if you fuck someone up all good things you did before for them get forgotten in a second, and only desire to fuck them back remains...
Anonymous at 00:25:16 on 17/01:
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If you ask me Marazzino Catania Righelli did help Gravano or Messina, simply by shooting in that war on same side. You can theory craft about what would happen if, but I have no intention to do so. Does that mean Gravano owes something to Marazzino, or that Lucchese owes something to ISPP, no it doesn't. But imo fact remains that Marazzino/ISPP helped Gravano/Lucchese in that war simply by shooting on same side even if not on same targets. There shouldn't be nice or not nice on Omerta, all good deeds you did fall down if your next action is bad. So if you fuck someone up all good things you did before for them get forgotten in a second, and only desire to fuck them back remains...
Alright, that's all I wanted to have cleared up from you! :) We agree on things then.
Johnny at 00:36:41 on 17/01:
I am not saying you dislike them or anything like that, but saying you hope they re-rank and come back to kill you (which I guess that's what they think now) is beyond absurd. You are smart to know you just shook whole Omerta world and relations big time (unless this was planned by larger group of families who aren't involved in war). Think ISPP is more than good for .com, and think this your action will only show in future that ISPP's importance on .com for game play is big. However I don't think you want to see them back in a month, or at least not with number power they had right now. My blind guess is, I really can't see ISPP's bloods being happy with this action of yours, to make it worse some of them are your mutual bloods. Imo you have a lot of fires to put out now, last thing you need atm is to worrying about ISPP ranking back up massively to kill you (or your bloods who shot), probably inside one of your close bloods. You have to be some kind of mazochist to hope they re-rank right now :P
Same as you can't be oblivious to the facts that ISPP (maybe not directly, or intentionally) helped you with their "stupid" actions (Pentagram thing), but I think they got lesson now to not do dirty job for others. I don't think you owe em anything or that you need to explain yourself to anyone here. Unless you made some kind of deals with them public can't know for, you did really brave move.
ReBorN at 00:21:01 on 17/01:
I am being honest when I say I hope they re-rank Johnny. I have no ill will against them same as I have no ill will against other families who have shot us past and present. When I die I re-rank as well. Thats what this game is about. If everyone stopped playing the first time they died this game would be unbelievably more boring then it is now!
If they do re-rank and choose to shoot us, then thats a challenge I welcome as its a good and healthy part of the game.
I am being honest when I say I hope they re-rank Johnny. I have no ill will against them same as I have no ill will against other families who have shot us past and present. When I die I re-rank as well. Thats what this game is about. If everyone stopped playing the first time they died this game would be unbelievably more boring then it is now!
If they do re-rank and choose to shoot us, then thats a challenge I welcome as its a good and healthy part of the game.
I am not saying you dislike them or anything like that, but saying you hope they re-rank and come back to kill you (which I guess that's what they think now) is beyond absurd. You are smart to know you just shook whole Omerta world and relations big time (unless this was planned by larger group of families who aren't involved in war). Think ISPP is more than good for .com, and think this your action will only show in future that ISPP's importance on .com for game play is big. However I don't think you want to see them back in a month, or at least not with number power they had right now. My blind guess is, I really can't see ISPP's bloods being happy with this action of yours, to make it worse some of them are your mutual bloods. Imo you have a lot of fires to put out now, last thing you need atm is to worrying about ISPP ranking back up massively to kill you (or your bloods who shot), probably inside one of your close bloods. You have to be some kind of mazochist to hope they re-rank right now :P
Same as you can't be oblivious to the facts that ISPP (maybe not directly, or intentionally) helped you with their "stupid" actions (Pentagram thing), but I think they got lesson now to not do dirty job for others. I don't think you owe em anything or that you need to explain yourself to anyone here. Unless you made some kind of deals with them public can't know for, you did really brave move.
Unfortunately Johnny most will not rerank since .nl resetted and reranking on .com takes a lot longer than on .nl which is not in favor of reranking families as standing families have more opportunities to kill down the rerankers. Attacker friendly KA only helps when you make it to brug which we probably never will :(
Anonymous at 00:25:16 on 17/01:
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If you ask me Marazzino Catania Righelli did help Gravano or Messina, simply by shooting in that war on same side. You can theory craft about what would happen if, but I have no intention to do so. Does that mean Gravano owes something to Marazzino, or that Lucchese owes something to ISPP, no it doesn't. But imo fact remains that Marazzino/ISPP helped Gravano/Lucchese in that war simply by shooting on same side even if not on same targets. There shouldn't be nice or not nice on Omerta, all good deeds you did fall down if your next action is bad. So if you fuck someone up all good things you did before for them get forgotten in a second, and only desire to fuck them back remains...
Anonymous (00:40:07 - 17-01)
ispp helped messina and gravano, not to lucchese.
Lucchese attackers were different, and provenzano, ataraxia would not attack to lucchese if they succeeded.
Lucchese attackers were different, and provenzano, ataraxia would not attack to lucchese if they succeeded.
ReBorN at 00:21:01 on 17/01:
I am being honest when I say I hope they re-rank Johnny. I have no ill will against them same as I have no ill will against other families who have shot us past and present. When I die I re-rank as well. Thats what this game is about. If everyone stopped playing the first time they died this game would be unbelievably more boring then it is now!
If they do re-rank and choose to shoot us, then thats a challenge I welcome as its a good and healthy part of the game.
I am being honest when I say I hope they re-rank Johnny. I have no ill will against them same as I have no ill will against other families who have shot us past and present. When I die I re-rank as well. Thats what this game is about. If everyone stopped playing the first time they died this game would be unbelievably more boring then it is now!
If they do re-rank and choose to shoot us, then thats a challenge I welcome as its a good and healthy part of the game.
I am not saying you dislike them or anything like that, but saying you hope they re-rank and come back to kill you (which I guess that's what they think now) is beyond absurd. You are smart to know you just shook whole Omerta world and relations big time (unless this was planned by larger group of families who aren't involved in war). Think ISPP is more than good for .com, and think this your action will only show in future that ISPP's importance on .com for game play is big. However I don't think you want to see them back in a month, or at least not with number power they had right now. My blind guess is, I really can't see ISPP's bloods being happy with this action of yours, to make it worse some of them are your mutual bloods. Imo you have a lot of fires to put out now, last thing you need atm is to worrying about ISPP ranking back up massively to kill you (or your bloods who shot), probably inside one of your close bloods. You have to be some kind of mazochist to hope they re-rank right now :P
Same as you can't be oblivious to the facts that ISPP (maybe not directly, or intentionally) helped you with their "stupid" actions (Pentagram thing), but I think they got lesson now to not do dirty job for others. I don't think you owe em anything or that you need to explain yourself to anyone here. Unless you made some kind of deals with them public can't know for, you did really brave move.
Rambo (00:26:22 - 17-01)
(K) Reborn.
Anonymous (00:25:16 - 17-01)
Johnny at 00:15:33 on 17/01:
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
Space at 00:01:22 on 17/01:
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
That's not completely true Johnny, I respect you as an oldskool player but I want to give my oppinion on what you're saying: ISPP jumped in that war, so did a lot of other families.
In you theory (or space's) it would mean Maraz, Catania, Righelli also helped to keep Gravano/memento/messina alive and thus it would be not so nice of those families to shoot at Maraz/Catania/Righelli further on in the version.
In my oppinion every family that jumped in that war, jumped for their bloods. Only 17 Provenzano soldiers died that war, I'm sure Catania/Maraz/Righelli/Lucchese would have been able to handle that. I'm not even sure if Provenzano would even intervene in that counter.
Point is: Maraz/catania/righelli didn't jump in for any other family than Lucchese that war. Just like 14 other families jumped for their bloods that war. Including ISPP that jumped for Gravano, nobody else.
Last but not least: Reborn wants people to rerank because nobody does that these days, I saw people 'Retire' after the first war.... Well aren't these people mistaken, the version is wide open just 2 weeks later. The game will die if people don't rerank because the versions get shorter and shorter.
Johnny at 00:15:33 on 17/01:
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
Space at 00:01:22 on 17/01:
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
I am being honest when I say I hope they re-rank Johnny. I have no ill will against them same as I have no ill will against other families who have shot us past and present. When I die I re-rank as well. Thats what this game is about. If everyone stopped playing the first time they died this game would be unbelievably more boring then it is now!
If they do re-rank and choose to shoot us, then thats a challenge I welcome as its a good and healthy part of the game.
Space at 00:01:22 on 17/01:
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
Okay guys cut the crap for once.
Yes ISPP helped Lucchese, you can come up with 1000 of reasons to say no but it is a fact. Shooting the co shooters of the attacking families made this able. ISPP did not only shoot provenzano they shot as much as possible on the attacking families.
Ill give you a example. If this had not happend Lucchese would have been down. Even if the bloods of Lucchese jumped in they would have had dealt with the families that were shooting Lucchese (Purga which is/was bloods with ISPP.
Secondly if for example ISPP did not jump on the side of Lucchese/messi/grava because it is a Blood vs Blood war the attacking families that are shooting now would probably be smaller and most will have used most of their bullets to be able to shoot ISPP tonight.
And the claim of Lucchese not wanting Penta to die? Please guys don't fool eachother. Pentagram if they did not die they would have shot Lucchese, they were trying to organize a war. ISPP just cleared the way for Lucchese by killing Pentagram+
The attackers of "11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!" were smart enough to basiclly bring down lucchese and than move on to Marazino for example i dont think they are stupid to forget about that fact. But yeah stuff leaked and plans didnt go as they were supposed to.
Face it and don't ignore the fact, ISPP was used to kill the enemies of certain families and when they were not needed anymore the execution command was given as you see today.
You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.
Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.
Still laughing my ass off bout defending side only blaming lucchese. Common, we were with 13 fams, do you think that if they didn't shot we would have hold our guns!
We would have shot you whether those few shooters from lucchese joined in or not. And we would have done major damage still (maybe even exactly the same).
You made way more enemies than you think ISPP. Yes you have been played maybe but not neccesairly by Lucchese. They maybe helped you with penta, you helped them with another. Didn't mean you were bloods.
But yeah the meaning of bloods and ispp is far from being a typical relation. You keep hiding behind how lucchese played you. Well you played yourself. You fucked up 2 bloods. Don't go playing that you got played. Cause you played just as many or more.
well if lucc didn't participate a fam like traffi would never have shot and my guess is maraz/troy prolly would not get involved either, afraid they might pay the penalty for doing so in the end ...
so yeah you can say all you want about the amount of targets and so on, but we all know who the key player was in this war from happening or not ;)
and pentagram was on the top of anyones list, it's not like that had any influence on the reason for this war, talking about hiding behind something ...