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02-04 Race to the Top
Author: mmm
Last updated: 3159d 13h 9m 20s ago by mmm
Comments: 254
Views: 73,746
Votes: 4 (4.5 average)
Version: 4.9.5
Involved families: Lusa, Massive, Aeterna, Persico, Psychonymous
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Deals were finished, Foundations were shaken, yet this was an outcome none expected, or did some perhaps? Lusa was on a roll on becoming the #1 family left standing at the end of this round with Aeterna in close pursuit. Word has it a deal had been struck in which both parties agreed on Lusa taking the win based on theif efforts throughout the version. Yet Lusa began to lose ground on the win as several incidents started taking place. Lusa lost some of their highest ranks due to cheating at the hands of admins, suffering quite a loss in family points. Another motivation seems to be the shooting of Imperium last night. Imperium was planned to merge with Lusa to achieve victory nontheless, though Aeterna interveined. Was this deliberate or just an unfortunate step?
In any case, Lusa decided to take a critical step to win the evident race to the Top.

Lusa gathered their shooters and brought Massive along for the ride as well, both families are targetting Aeterna.

It's not like we haven't seen this scenario unfold before. Back in 4.7.3 we've seen a merger happen between Lusa and Prophecy which also resulted in Lusa and Aeterna going head to head for the win. Also don't forget last version's scenario between Siyahsancak and Guardians.

The HOF seems to be radical enough to shatter close friendships, wreck pacts apart and cause a major upset to the entire Omerta Community.



On the second day, just as we're seeing the last Aeterna members die after their family went down, the two remaining families Psychonymous and Persico decide to launch a counter attack on Lusa and Massive respectively.
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Mrpersie (Persico): Na Na Na Na Na its the MOTHAF*CKING D O DOUBLE G !!!

Moondark (Psychonymous): hello omerta,
we all witnessed lusa stabbing their closesd blood aeterna for take the hall of fame.
our opinion is that they deserve the hall of shame.
since we agreeded to aeterna to have a non shoot with lusa when we blooded aeterna.
we avange em for this stupid lame action.
we cant allow a family to win hof shooting their own bloods its not where psycho's stand for.
if u blood someone u shoot with them u help them and u dont backstabb em. (definatly not for hof)
if lusa would have look back in history they know we always would shoot for our bloods.
so they made a mistake by thinking they would walk away with this action.
we would be ashamed if we didnt took action for this lame stupid and dumb move.
as psycho's never backstabbed any blood in history we will not do it this time either.
statistics
War started on: 23:09:03 01-04-2016 War ended on: 15:15:03 04-04-2016
Bullet difference: -22,827,884 War duration: 2d 16h 6m
Money difference: -$1,888,005,125 Players died: 266




deaths
Dead Families:
[Lusa] Family down on 11:56 04-04
[Massive] Family down on 06:34 03-04
[Aeterna] Family down on 13:59 02-04
Deaths per family:
Sw As LC Ch Br CD GF Points
Aeterna | swin: 1 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 8 | brug: 42 | cd: 4 | gf: 1 | points: 732
Lusa | swin: 4 | assa: 10 | lc: 17 | chief: 8 | brug: 48 | cd: 5 | gf: 0 | points: 926
Massive | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 2 | chief: 8 | brug: 22 | cd: 4 | gf: 1 | points: 481
Persico | swin: 1 | assa: 2 | lc: 2 | chief: 0 | brug: 1 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 33
Psychonymous | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 1 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 10
Total | swin: 6 | assa: 14 | lc: 22 | chief: 24 | brug: 113 | cd: 13 | gf: 2 | points: 2,182
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Grigoriy Portugal (16:07:26 - 02-04)
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Merton, stop trying to get my attention. Always talking about Lusa...
I only answer to who I think deservs an answer.
I dont know who you are, so stop behaving as an attention whore.

This is my only and last answer to you. Enjoy!
Merton Ireland (16:01:10 - 02-04)
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Redspeert at 15:51:45 on 02/04:
Grigoriy at 15:31:36 on 02/04:
Redspeert at 14:59:11 on 02/04:
Its not like this is the first time Lusa kills a blood to win a version...they did the same in 4.73. Also kinda fun that the fam with most akills is winning.

Your memory is betraing you. In 4.73 is was Aeterna who shot Lusa. Lusa and Prophecy.
Once again, after Lusa have done the hard work, and being Aeterna splited in 2 fams (hiding their power and hiding from enemies) - Bertone, Casappa or Flooders. Something like that.

As this version, when they saw the oportunity to win, they merged and changed the name to Aeterna, shooting Lusa/Prophecy.

My memory is perfectly fine, you on the other hand seem to be delusional . In 4.73 you guys (Lusa and prophecy) shot down Colossal and Vetta because we were on the path of winning the version. Sadly (for you) this snake-like behaviour didn't pay out as Aeterna put your mergerfam Prophecylusa down (Mind you, they didn't kill the Lusa family https://news.omertabeyond.net/1774).
What did you think would happen? You shot down Aeterna's blood and merged to become larger than them.


You are trying to pull of the same snake shit now as then by blaming the blood you just killed that it was their own fault that you had to do it. Lusa is a circus of a family, you you sir, is the main clown in the show.


[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L6KGuTr9TI]
Grigoriy Portugal (16:00:53 - 02-04)
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Redspeert at 15:51:45 on 02/04:
Grigoriy at 15:31:36 on 02/04:
Redspeert at 14:59:11 on 02/04:
Its not like this is the first time Lusa kills a blood to win a version...they did the same in 4.73. Also kinda fun that the fam with most akills is winning.

Your memory is betraing you. In 4.73 is was Aeterna who shot Lusa. Lusa and Prophecy.
Once again, after Lusa have done the hard work, and being Aeterna splited in 2 fams (hiding their power and hiding from enemies) - Bertone, Casappa or Flooders. Something like that.

As this version, when they saw the oportunity to win, they merged and changed the name to Aeterna, shooting Lusa/Prophecy.

My memory is perfectly fine, you on the other hand seem to be delusional . In 4.73 you guys (Lusa and prophecy) shot down Colossal and Vetta because we were on the path of winning the version. Sadly (for you) this snake-like behaviour didn't pay out as Aeterna put your mergerfam Prophecylusa down (Mind you, they didn't kill the Lusa family https://news.omertabeyond.net/1774).
What did you think would happen? You shot down Aeterna's blood and merged to become larger than them.


You are trying to pull of the same snake shit now as then by blaming the blood you just killed that it was their own fault that you had to do it. Lusa is a circus of a family, you you sir, is the main clown in the show.


The real question is: why did Lusa shot Colossal back then? Simple, Colossal started with 40 members, and after recruiting all the fams that Lusa shot (didnt even let the wars end...) ended up with 150+.

I dont even need to talk about the reports you guys made of us, even being bloods.
Anonymous (16:00:15 - 02-04)
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Redspeert at 15:51:45 on 02/04:
Grigoriy at 15:31:36 on 02/04:
Redspeert at 14:59:11 on 02/04:
Its not like this is the first time Lusa kills a blood to win a version...they did the same in 4.73. Also kinda fun that the fam with most akills is winning.

Your memory is betraing you. In 4.73 is was Aeterna who shot Lusa. Lusa and Prophecy.
Once again, after Lusa have done the hard work, and being Aeterna splited in 2 fams (hiding their power and hiding from enemies) - Bertone, Casappa or Flooders. Something like that.

As this version, when they saw the oportunity to win, they merged and changed the name to Aeterna, shooting Lusa/Prophecy.

My memory is perfectly fine, you on the other hand seem to be delusional . In 4.73 you guys (Lusa and prophecy) shot down Colossal and Vetta because we were on the path of winning the version. Sadly (for you) this snake-like behaviour didn't pay out as Aeterna put your mergerfam Prophecylusa down (Mind you, they didn't kill the Lusa family https://news.omertabeyond.net/1774).
What did you think would happen? You shot down Aeterna's blood and merged to become larger than them.


You are trying to pull of the same snake shit now as then by blaming the blood you just killed that it was their own fault that you had to do it. Lusa is a circus of a family, you you sir, is the main clown in the show.

All colossal tops trying to defend aeterna's actions :) Don't worry guys, they have only you as option in next version, no need to even defend. they'll return to your side :D
Redspeert Syrian Arab Republic (15:51:45 - 02-04)
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Grigoriy at 15:31:36 on 02/04:
Redspeert at 14:59:11 on 02/04:
Its not like this is the first time Lusa kills a blood to win a version...they did the same in 4.73. Also kinda fun that the fam with most akills is winning.

Your memory is betraing you. In 4.73 is was Aeterna who shot Lusa. Lusa and Prophecy.
Once again, after Lusa have done the hard work, and being Aeterna splited in 2 fams (hiding their power and hiding from enemies) - Bertone, Casappa or Flooders. Something like that.

As this version, when they saw the oportunity to win, they merged and changed the name to Aeterna, shooting Lusa/Prophecy.

My memory is perfectly fine, you on the other hand seem to be delusional . In 4.73 you guys (Lusa and prophecy) shot down Colossal and Vetta because we were on the path of winning the version. Sadly (for you) this snake-like behaviour didn't pay out as Aeterna put your mergerfam Prophecylusa down (Mind you, they didn't kill the Lusa family https://news.omertabeyond.net/1774).
What did you think would happen? You shot down Aeterna's blood and merged to become larger than them.


You are trying to pull of the same snake shit now as then by blaming the blood you just killed that it was their own fault that you had to do it. Lusa is a circus of a family, you you sir, is the main clown in the show.
Merton Ireland (15:47:54 - 02-04)
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Grigoriy at 15:31:36 on 02/04:
Redspeert at 14:59:11 on 02/04:
Its not like this is the first time Lusa kills a blood to win a version...they did the same in 4.73. Also kinda fun that the fam with most akills is winning.

Your memory is betraing you. In 4.73 is was Aeterna who shot Lusa. Lusa and Prophecy.
Once again, after Lusa have done the hard work, and being Aeterna splited in 2 fams (hiding their power and hiding from enemies) - Bertone, Casappa or Flooders. Something like that.

As this version, when they saw the oportunity to win, they merged and changed the name to Aeterna, shooting Lusa/Prophecy.

Lusa do the hard work? If you mean by running more than one account then yes, well done you. Renowned dupes, how you got away with it again, only time will tell.
Grigoriy Portugal (15:31:36 - 02-04)
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Redspeert at 14:59:11 on 02/04:
Its not like this is the first time Lusa kills a blood to win a version...they did the same in 4.73. Also kinda fun that the fam with most akills is winning.

Your memory is betraing you. In 4.73 is was Aeterna who shot Lusa. Lusa and Prophecy.
Once again, after Lusa have done the hard work, and being Aeterna splited in 2 fams (hiding their power and hiding from enemies) - Bertone, Casappa or Flooders. Something like that.

As this version, when they saw the oportunity to win, they merged and changed the name to Aeterna, shooting Lusa/Prophecy.
Anonymous (15:29:01 - 02-04)
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Lusa cheat fam lol

Psico w/ pers go hit lusa and massive
Redspeert Syrian Arab Republic (14:59:11 - 02-04)
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Its not like this is the first time Lusa kills a blood to win a version...they did the same in 4.73. Also kinda fun that the fam with most akills is winning.
MurderInc Austria (14:47:13 - 02-04)
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Fascinating.
Anonymous (14:39:58 - 02-04)
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i think lusa just won a new enemie for the next version, i dont see aeterna working with them after this :D
tiaguh (14:34:13 - 02-04)
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Johnx at 14:22:42 on 02/04:
Machiavelli at 14:11:23 on 02/04:
tiaguh at 11:52:11 on 02/04:
Redspeert at 11:34:35 on 02/04:
Anonymous at 10:37:03 on 02/04:
Tecnicnly it was Aeterna who stabbed Lusa, since they were the ones starting to shoot Lusa's accounts - those from Imperium (inside or still outside Lusa).

The info was passed 2 days ago, to all fams, that Imperium would join Lusa. Aeterna wanted to show their point by testing Lusa. Guess Lusa only accepted the challenge.

Aeterna even blooded Persico yesterday... showing they werent with good faith.

When you play with fire you might get burn.

I see. Nazdrovia merging with Aeterna is a big nono, but imp merging with lusa is completley fine. The nerve on you tugas, lol.

We do have a weird way to do politics. Didn't you saw the way our Prime Minister "won" the elections?

Anyways, gg by Lusa, why keep this lame "cold war"?(that they would loose). They saw the opportunity, they took the action, and shot for the win.

Backstabbing?! wow... that's what they've been doing to each other the past few days.

PS: Psychonymous & Persico somehow shooting down Lusa for the win would be epic.


We do have a weird way to do politics and didn't you saw the way our Prime Minster "won the election".

First thing, you our better don't know what is politics cuz for know or understand how politics works it is necessary some IQ to understand it.

Second thing, our Prime Minister didn't win any election, he lost it, if we do of an election a game that people win an loose and clearly election aren't a game.

Third, our Prime Minsiter was nominated because he has a maijoraty in our Chamber (Assembleia da República), you now, the election called "Legislativas" are to elect deputies and not to elect a Prime Minster. Our government is not elect but nominated by our President, and to form a government, in the first place that government has to pass in our Chamber (AR) and then our President can nominated an government. The nomination of our Prime Minister is in according with our Constitution the Fundamental Law, and it is printed in our Election Law.

As I say before to understand this you need a bit more of IQ, next time try to type a metaphor in according your level of knowledge nd don't embarece your own country!!!!!

You politics it is 14 akills this version!!!
Cheat isn't the blood of all portuguese!!!!!

Machiavelli
Wasn't Machiavelli against democracy?

Hahaha, plus if you aware of what happened in Portugal, and dig in a little bit about Machiavelli's thoughts you can easly see why does "Omerta's Machiavelli" supports our Prime Minister :')
tiaguh (14:31:04 - 02-04)
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Machiavelli at 14:11:23 on 02/04:
tiaguh at 11:52:11 on 02/04:
Redspeert at 11:34:35 on 02/04:
Anonymous at 10:37:03 on 02/04:
Tecnicnly it was Aeterna who stabbed Lusa, since they were the ones starting to shoot Lusa's accounts - those from Imperium (inside or still outside Lusa).

The info was passed 2 days ago, to all fams, that Imperium would join Lusa. Aeterna wanted to show their point by testing Lusa. Guess Lusa only accepted the challenge.

Aeterna even blooded Persico yesterday... showing they werent with good faith.

When you play with fire you might get burn.

I see. Nazdrovia merging with Aeterna is a big nono, but imp merging with lusa is completley fine. The nerve on you tugas, lol.

We do have a weird way to do politics. Didn't you saw the way our Prime Minister "won" the elections?

Anyways, gg by Lusa, why keep this lame "cold war"?(that they would loose). They saw the opportunity, they took the action, and shot for the win.

Backstabbing?! wow... that's what they've been doing to each other the past few days.

PS: Psychonymous & Persico somehow shooting down Lusa for the win would be epic.


We do have a weird way to do politics and didn't you saw the way our Prime Minster "won the election".

First thing, you our better don't know what is politics cuz for know or understand how politics works it is necessary some IQ to understand it.

Second thing, our Prime Minister didn't win any election, he lost it, if we do of an election a game that people win an loose and clearly election aren't a game.

Third, our Prime Minsiter was nominated because he has a maijoraty in our Chamber (Assembleia da República), you now, the election called "Legislativas" are to elect deputies and not to elect a Prime Minster. Our government is not elect but nominated by our President, and to form a government, in the first place that government has to pass in our Chamber (AR) and then our President can nominated an government. The nomination of our Prime Minister is in according with our Constitution the Fundamental Law, and it is printed in our Election Law.

As I say before to understand this you need a bit more of IQ, next time try to type a metaphor in according your level of knowledge nd don't embarece your own country!!!!!

You politics it is 14 akills this version!!!
Cheat isn't the blood of all portuguese!!!!!

Machiavelli

What a nice lecture,

If u stoped 2 seconds to think about why i used "won" elections, you would understand that the " " was used because of the reasons you pointed out in your comment. But well, to understand that perharps you need to have a lower IQ...


About embaracing my own country... i think our prime ministre does it better then me... Having comunists as allies and lying/scamming @ all the projections/budgets/wa they make to the future. ( For the ones which such a low IQ as me is easy to see it !!! but if you don't beleive us just read the international news/statements about our country and our new government work so far... )


But well, i won't start an argument about politics in a website related to a mafia game. (My IQ is too low for that).


Ps: Machiavelli if you reply to this post just cut the smartass attitude, It's not so cool as u think it is.

Cheers \o
Johnx Denmark (14:22:42 - 02-04)
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Machiavelli at 14:11:23 on 02/04:
tiaguh at 11:52:11 on 02/04:
Redspeert at 11:34:35 on 02/04:
Anonymous at 10:37:03 on 02/04:
Tecnicnly it was Aeterna who stabbed Lusa, since they were the ones starting to shoot Lusa's accounts - those from Imperium (inside or still outside Lusa).

The info was passed 2 days ago, to all fams, that Imperium would join Lusa. Aeterna wanted to show their point by testing Lusa. Guess Lusa only accepted the challenge.

Aeterna even blooded Persico yesterday... showing they werent with good faith.

When you play with fire you might get burn.

I see. Nazdrovia merging with Aeterna is a big nono, but imp merging with lusa is completley fine. The nerve on you tugas, lol.

We do have a weird way to do politics. Didn't you saw the way our Prime Minister "won" the elections?

Anyways, gg by Lusa, why keep this lame "cold war"?(that they would loose). They saw the opportunity, they took the action, and shot for the win.

Backstabbing?! wow... that's what they've been doing to each other the past few days.

PS: Psychonymous & Persico somehow shooting down Lusa for the win would be epic.


We do have a weird way to do politics and didn't you saw the way our Prime Minster "won the election".

First thing, you our better don't know what is politics cuz for know or understand how politics works it is necessary some IQ to understand it.

Second thing, our Prime Minister didn't win any election, he lost it, if we do of an election a game that people win an loose and clearly election aren't a game.

Third, our Prime Minsiter was nominated because he has a maijoraty in our Chamber (Assembleia da República), you now, the election called "Legislativas" are to elect deputies and not to elect a Prime Minster. Our government is not elect but nominated by our President, and to form a government, in the first place that government has to pass in our Chamber (AR) and then our President can nominated an government. The nomination of our Prime Minister is in according with our Constitution the Fundamental Law, and it is printed in our Election Law.

As I say before to understand this you need a bit more of IQ, next time try to type a metaphor in according your level of knowledge nd don't embarece your own country!!!!!

You politics it is 14 akills this version!!!
Cheat isn't the blood of all portuguese!!!!!

Machiavelli
Wasn't Machiavelli against democracy?
Machiavelli (14:11:23 - 02-04)
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tiaguh at 11:52:11 on 02/04:
Redspeert at 11:34:35 on 02/04:
Anonymous at 10:37:03 on 02/04:
Tecnicnly it was Aeterna who stabbed Lusa, since they were the ones starting to shoot Lusa's accounts - those from Imperium (inside or still outside Lusa).

The info was passed 2 days ago, to all fams, that Imperium would join Lusa. Aeterna wanted to show their point by testing Lusa. Guess Lusa only accepted the challenge.

Aeterna even blooded Persico yesterday... showing they werent with good faith.

When you play with fire you might get burn.

I see. Nazdrovia merging with Aeterna is a big nono, but imp merging with lusa is completley fine. The nerve on you tugas, lol.

We do have a weird way to do politics. Didn't you saw the way our Prime Minister "won" the elections?

Anyways, gg by Lusa, why keep this lame "cold war"?(that they would loose). They saw the opportunity, they took the action, and shot for the win.

Backstabbing?! wow... that's what they've been doing to each other the past few days.

PS: Psychonymous & Persico somehow shooting down Lusa for the win would be epic.


We do have a weird way to do politics and didn't you saw the way our Prime Minster "won the election".

First thing, you our better don't know what is politics cuz for know or understand how politics works it is necessary some IQ to understand it.

Second thing, our Prime Minister didn't win any election, he lost it, if we do of an election a game that people win an loose and clearly election aren't a game.

Third, our Prime Minsiter was nominated because he has a maijoraty in our Chamber (Assembleia da República), you now, the election called "Legislativas" are to elect deputies and not to elect a Prime Minster. Our government is not elect but nominated by our President, and to form a government, in the first place that government has to pass in our Chamber (AR) and then our President can nominated an government. The nomination of our Prime Minister is in according with our Constitution the Fundamental Law, and it is printed in our Election Law.

As I say before to understand this you need a bit more of IQ, next time try to type a metaphor in according your level of knowledge nd don't embarece your own country!!!!!

You politics it is 14 akills this version!!!
Cheat isn't the blood of all portuguese!!!!!

Machiavelli
Anonymous (13:39:21 - 02-04)
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Anonymous at 11:57:12 on 02/04:
dangerangel` at 11:43:56 on 02/04:
Anonymous at 10:37:03 on 02/04:

The info was passed 2 days ago, to all fams, that Imperium would join Lusa.
You say it as if its something natural to do ... :|

tssss shame on you imperium selling your soul to the devil lol :'D

nazdrovia didnt want to merge, thats why they were killed. and imperium joining lusa was agreed by both sides, but when aeterna saw a chance for hof, they broke all the promises they made. a proverb says " when you push your luck, you might just get fucked " :D :D

Yeah cause a cheating fam with 14 akills, number #1 in hall of shame deserves the win lmao.

"they broke all the promises they made" hahahahaha like Lusa has some honour left, the only thing they do is cheating big time, they are #1 hall of shame they don't have honour or pride they just cheat.

They still needed imperium besides their own cheatingdupe army to win the Hof, again lmao. Lusa probably got scared more akills would follow and they would lose #1 so they needed Imperium.
Anonymous (11:57:12 - 02-04)
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dangerangel` at 11:43:56 on 02/04:
Anonymous at 10:37:03 on 02/04:

The info was passed 2 days ago, to all fams, that Imperium would join Lusa.
You say it as if its something natural to do ... :|

tssss shame on you imperium selling your soul to the devil lol :'D

nazdrovia didnt want to merge, thats why they were killed. and imperium joining lusa was agreed by both sides, but when aeterna saw a chance for hof, they broke all the promises they made. a proverb says " when you push your luck, you might just get fucked " :D :D
tiaguh (11:52:11 - 02-04)
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Redspeert at 11:34:35 on 02/04:
Anonymous at 10:37:03 on 02/04:
Tecnicnly it was Aeterna who stabbed Lusa, since they were the ones starting to shoot Lusa's accounts - those from Imperium (inside or still outside Lusa).

The info was passed 2 days ago, to all fams, that Imperium would join Lusa. Aeterna wanted to show their point by testing Lusa. Guess Lusa only accepted the challenge.

Aeterna even blooded Persico yesterday... showing they werent with good faith.

When you play with fire you might get burn.

I see. Nazdrovia merging with Aeterna is a big nono, but imp merging with lusa is completley fine. The nerve on you tugas, lol.

We do have a weird way to do politics. Didn't you saw the way our Prime Minister "won" the elections?

Anyways, gg by Lusa, why keep this lame "cold war"?(that they would loose). They saw the opportunity, they took the action, and shot for the win.

Backstabbing?! wow... that's what they've been doing to each other the past few days.

PS: Psychonymous & Persico somehow shooting down Lusa for the win would be epic.

dangerangel` Bulgaria (11:43:56 - 02-04)
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Anonymous at 10:37:03 on 02/04:

The info was passed 2 days ago, to all fams, that Imperium would join Lusa.
You say it as if its something natural to do ... :|

tssss shame on you imperium selling your soul to the devil lol :'D
Anonymous (11:43:38 - 02-04)
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Redspeert at 11:34:35 on 02/04:
Anonymous at 10:37:03 on 02/04:
Tecnicnly it was Aeterna who stabbed Lusa, since they were the ones starting to shoot Lusa's accounts - those from Imperium (inside or still outside Lusa).

The info was passed 2 days ago, to all fams, that Imperium would join Lusa. Aeterna wanted to show their point by testing Lusa. Guess Lusa only accepted the challenge.

Aeterna even blooded Persico yesterday... showing they werent with good faith.

When you play with fire you might get burn.

I see. Nazdrovia merging with Aeterna is a big nono, but imp merging with lusa is completley fine. The nerve on you tugas, lol.

Aeterna even blooded Persico yesterday... showing they werent with good faith. where is the counter ? or persico hiding now ?