But losers with the name Redspeert are absolutely raging homosexuals.
Hey Redspeert real proud here? Haha =D

Redspeert is an expert on massblooding as he has been known to have done it himself. So, he does have some credibility here.

Massblooding usually does that.

I don't think you should hate anyone.. What is wrong with you people? Get a hug or something..

The families I don't want to see up are the ones who close down entire cities and don't let new families start up. That's ruining the game.. It's the biggest reason the active player base drops off dramatically after every war.

As for blooding someone who started shooting you 12 hours before.. Sometimes you see that it was a setup and the instigators are not participating. That's when you do what Aeterna and Illuanna did and shoot the ones who instigated the confusion. Naturally, you don't trust the family that just shot you to cooperate until you've shaken hands and come to an agreement (that's how Aeterna and Illuanna ended up as bloods). It pissed some of our members off.. But Aeterna and Illuanna are both still around, waiting for reset. It must have payed off.

The point was that it is ok to not hold old grudges, but to blood some1 five mins after they shoot ya looks bad no matter how you spin it. so no, don't hate on righ for smth in 2.8a :p

Righelli shot me in 2.8a, so in your theory I should still hate them with a burning fury?

You dont have to be enemies for versions, but blooding somebody that shoots you in same version is just GAY. There are some families that don't have any self-respect and can take any gay action just to stay alive, but i didnt see any of them winning a version. Illuanna is another example for that.

How about samagono who started shooting at in between wars? How about magnifico and younovese who started shooting at them later on? Also you seem to claim it is easier when you get countered. While in the end it was often a lot harder for them because they were badly damaged and got countered at by families multiple times their size. Completely different than receiving a couple of shots from the family your shooting at.

Also you say you couldn't counter due to bloods etc, it indeed seems to me illu had blooded quite some families. How can a family count on you guys to back them up? Maraz blooded in such fashion they do were able yo counter for their bloods. This even counts for jannisary who helped out their bloods several times. In total jannisary also has more wars and more members in their group. Thing is, I don't think Illu did bad, but you try to say they did better than others while in fact they only came into action 2 times (with big groups) and defended once by blooding your opponent. It's not bad gameplay, I just believe others did better and/or played more spectacular.

lol, Nuke, love how you keep saying... 'nothing against xyz but...!' and proceed to trash the bloods you made to stop them from killing you. Marazz got a 'cushy' ride - your word, and Aeterna didn't ever have to defend according to your definition xD
Clearly you have a beautiful relationship with those sparkling new bloods of yours.

The number of families gangbanging Illuanna next version is proportional to the number of comments Nuke posts here. Keep it up!

I'm not trying to take anything away from Aeterna, but I'm not trying to give them anything they didn't accomplish, either. They got royally screwed up by Jannisary while their bloods were shooting Aeterna's unspoken alliance. Fair enough. When else did they get involved in something they didn't help plan?

As for Marazzino, they were able to shoot a couple times more than us due to not being blooded to someone on the opposing side. They shot one small family on their own while everyone else was tied up in the Siberia/ Empire war. They also jumped in for a blood once or twice when there wasn't much risk to be had. Again, the last war they jumped in on was against one of our bloods. They knew we couldn't be involved and there was no one else to fear.

One month ago is worse than 4 months ago, I suppose..

Aeterna actually was shot at multiple times while not being prepared for it. As been said, you've been attacked once, blooded them (not condemning that) and shot in two massive wars. You didn't roll over and die but if you hadn't blooded them, you would've died in the end. It's oke play but nothing spectacular. I'd even say if anyone, it's aeterna who turned out to play it the smartest or most spectacular in terms of knowing to survive all these shots.

But when it comes up to the winner of the version, I prefer to vote for marazzino because they shot, jumped for bloods within the same hour and are on top in the end of the version.

Not saying anything about old grudges, this happened within one round. If they shot you three versions ago that's a whole other story.

When there's no more shooting, there's not much else to do until the server resets. You seem to enjoy it as much as I do.. :)

Sorry, but I'm not new to this game. If I refused to blood against people I've fought against, I wouldn't have any bloods. Try playing for 10 years and hold all the grudges you possibly can. I'll be impressed.

I'm saying that because I don't think you have the nuts to practice what you preach. We all bitch at the Pact for sticking together, but who haven't they shot at? Would you rather them act like "faggots" and keep sticking together or do you want what everyone else seems to want - open diplomacy among families?

I think he doth protest too much.... wait, was it Illu who blooded the people who shot them? Oh yes I believe it was! Nice defensive move :p
Maybe its just me who prefers to kill the people who shot at me rather than blood them, am I old fashioned?
Great work, you got to the end, but stop trying to defend the tactics you used, nobody is buying it, but half Omerta uses those tactics nowadays anyhow so you may even get some respect for it.
Personally I wouldn't crown Illu for their play this version, but I'm sure some people will, as always this back and forth discussion is pointless.

Blooding 2 fams that attacks you is a new level of faggottary and my nuub friend you seem to be so proud of it

By my logic? I said defense.. Not counter fire. Yes, Aeterna took plenty of counter fire during their wars. But when did they actually get shot without already being involved in a war?

If you think getting shot at is tough, we all got shot at every war. No legit family takes a shooting and doesn't counter a little. I'm talking about getting shot with no plan of shooting. That is a defensive war.

Siberia had to play defense once.
Lusa had to play defense once.
Trafficante had to play defense twice, but I don't know that their one brug lost to Kurosawa was something to lose sleep over.

Do you see the similarities?

Illuanna was attacked by the #3 and #4 family, and we took 16 of their brugs while losing 16 of our brugs. I think that's an accomplishment worth mentioning. I think that's why they [Aeterna and Marazzino] were willing to make bloods with us. We didn't roll over and die without a fight.