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Correptio, Republica, Laboratory, Syndrum, Vertigo, Yalta, Purgatory, Anathema, Kurosawa, Kamikaze, Carneglia united and opened fire at "The Pact"
Marangello + Marangella, Vincitori, Escalada, Conflict, Conflictz, Equites, Quirites, Senatores, Righelli, Moretti
Targets seem to be divided like this:
Yalta/Correptio/Purgatory/Vertigo vs Marangello+
Yalta/Correptio vs Vincitori+
Republica/Syndrum/Kurosawa+ vs Conflict+
Kurosawa+/Carneglia vs Righelli+
Bruinsma jumped in and is shooting at Kurosawa+
Liberta alliance jumped in and is shooting at Laboratory.
Presidential, Gravano, Caliente and Hangover jumped on Correptio/Republica.
Infragilis starting shooting at Conflict, but later moved to Bruinsma
Eventhough the odds seem to have stacked against the attackers Infragilis decided to jump in for them and is targetting Conflict.
Turnia up at the old HQ of Laboratory
Anathema changed to Anonymous which seems to contain members from several families who got shot down earlier this version, like: Gambino, Leviticus, Notte and Tempestuoso. - They left the war and are not involved in any shooting.
Mangano up at the old HQ of Correptio
Purgatory and Vertigo ceased fire with Marangello.
Vertigo started shooting at Conflict.
As a sidenote, it seems only 3 didn't join this massive war (yet?): Anadolu, Venutti and Vengeance.
List of ranks families have left at around 17 OT
Ilimitada started on HQ of Kamikaze
Kerberos who started on the HQ of Yalta got shot down and S.W.A.T started on it
Marvel started on the HQ of Republica
After a few boring hours, the defenders re-grouped and Quirites+ + Liberta+ organised a final blow against Carneglia
Marangello + Marangella, Vincitori, Escalada, Conflict, Conflictz, Equites, Quirites, Senatores, Righelli, Moretti
Targets seem to be divided like this:
Yalta/Correptio/Purgatory/Vertigo vs Marangello+
Yalta/Correptio vs Vincitori+
Republica/Syndrum/Kurosawa+ vs Conflict+
Kurosawa+/Carneglia vs Righelli+
Bruinsma jumped in and is shooting at Kurosawa+
Liberta alliance jumped in and is shooting at Laboratory.
Presidential, Gravano, Caliente and Hangover jumped on Correptio/Republica.
Infragilis starting shooting at Conflict, but later moved to Bruinsma
Eventhough the odds seem to have stacked against the attackers Infragilis decided to jump in for them and is targetting Conflict.
Turnia up at the old HQ of Laboratory
Anathema changed to Anonymous which seems to contain members from several families who got shot down earlier this version, like: Gambino, Leviticus, Notte and Tempestuoso. - They left the war and are not involved in any shooting.
Mangano up at the old HQ of Correptio
Purgatory and Vertigo ceased fire with Marangello.
Vertigo started shooting at Conflict.
As a sidenote, it seems only 3 didn't join this massive war (yet?): Anadolu, Venutti and Vengeance.
List of ranks families have left at around 17 OT
Ilimitada started on HQ of Kamikaze
Kerberos who started on the HQ of Yalta got shot down and S.W.A.T started on it
Marvel started on the HQ of Republica
After a few boring hours, the defenders re-grouped and Quirites+ + Liberta+ organised a final blow against Carneglia
statements
trza (Kurosawa Top): Exactly in 3h enemy will be broken whit your hit, will be killed whit your bombs and swords, glory of Palermo, of our city will be HOLY, SOLDIERS, HEROES. Big PACT has deleted our Pokemons from their number army, our Marazzino has sacrificed for the honor of Kurosawa and Palermo,YOU don’t have anything to worry now, for your own lives because you are already dead. Long live king of Palermo, long live our city Palermo!
kajo (Correptio Top): We didnt have much options but, TRY. Much respect to shooter fams whose wanted to stand together against the 'sweet pact'. Still i have no idea whats some fams wanna achieve with licking tho. We have played with OUR own style, and will. Gratz to both sides for a great war.
Dv (Yalta Top): We were trying to push for this for quite some time, but better late than never. Gg to all Yaltans rubbin their elbows and to the other homos shooting tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE&feature=related
Fiser (Republica Top) We raped conf, was great fun, rip everybody on both sides.
slau (Syndrum Top): Its hard to win a game where the limit familys is 36 and 20 familys have a pact, we come here to do our own game not the others game so we decided to move. Thanks all CLS soldiers we did it great.
Grigoriy (Laboratory Top) Well, the idea was simple: if u arent in ally+ (pact) u are against them. We knew sooner or later we would be targets. As a Laboratory top i can say we have nothing against Conflict, in fact we have friends there, but we follow a diferent path, so we needed to act. Our bloods mara/grava seemed they didnt count a lot on us, but maybe i'm wrong, lets see if next time is diferent. We are new on .com, so i think for our first version we did great. It was a pleasure to play with Correptio and with my m8's from Syndrum. I'm sure we will make something together again. I didnt understood why Liberta+ shot at us if we focused on Conflict and they arent bloods with them, but thats something that isnt important now. A special thanks to my tops (from lab and syn), and to my members, that always have been optimistic with our presence here on .com. As in life, we are always learning, and im sure we learned something this time. Count on us for further versions. RIP all dead soldiers from atackers and defender, nice war.
/q sbanks | #beyond.info
kajo (Correptio Top): We didnt have much options but, TRY. Much respect to shooter fams whose wanted to stand together against the 'sweet pact'. Still i have no idea whats some fams wanna achieve with licking tho. We have played with OUR own style, and will. Gratz to both sides for a great war.
Dv (Yalta Top): We were trying to push for this for quite some time, but better late than never. Gg to all Yaltans rubbin their elbows and to the other homos shooting tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE&feature=related
Fiser (Republica Top) We raped conf, was great fun, rip everybody on both sides.
slau (Syndrum Top): Its hard to win a game where the limit familys is 36 and 20 familys have a pact, we come here to do our own game not the others game so we decided to move. Thanks all CLS soldiers we did it great.
Grigoriy (Laboratory Top) Well, the idea was simple: if u arent in ally+ (pact) u are against them. We knew sooner or later we would be targets. As a Laboratory top i can say we have nothing against Conflict, in fact we have friends there, but we follow a diferent path, so we needed to act. Our bloods mara/grava seemed they didnt count a lot on us, but maybe i'm wrong, lets see if next time is diferent. We are new on .com, so i think for our first version we did great. It was a pleasure to play with Correptio and with my m8's from Syndrum. I'm sure we will make something together again. I didnt understood why Liberta+ shot at us if we focused on Conflict and they arent bloods with them, but thats something that isnt important now. A special thanks to my tops (from lab and syn), and to my members, that always have been optimistic with our presence here on .com. As in life, we are always learning, and im sure we learned something this time. Count on us for further versions. RIP all dead soldiers from atackers and defender, nice war.
/q sbanks | #beyond.info
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| War started on: 22:13:00 27-02-2012 | War ended on: 22:47:05 29-02-2012 |
| Bullet difference: -312,361,372 | War duration: 2d 0h 34m |
| Money difference: -$23,670,325,089 | Players died: 1,504 |
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Novu (22:12:16 - 02-03)
Novu at 21:56:25 on 02/03:
What's up with all this Krays/Bruinsma stuff?
I'm no top in Krays, just a member. But if it was my call I would have had NONE of our bloods help us. When we attacked Aztec it was our decision, and it was obvious that we would pay for it, seeing how weakened we had become also. It had been better if our bloods had let us die and instead participated in the bigger war against the pact. I don't think anyone wanted Bruinsma to suicide for Krays - If they did, they sure are idiots. Also afterwards it's very clear that Krays was being used to lure out Marazzino's counter, as a direct attack at Marazzino would have caused all their bloods to counter. I guess the pact knew Marazzino would counter for Krays and that Bruinsma wouldn't.
What I personally did not like, was to see Bruinsma blooding our enemies right as they had shot us or maybe right before, I'm not sure. Either way it seems distasteful to me. And I also just see Bruinsma being used as cannonfodder for Conflict, but we will see if Conflict will try to protect them later on.
So at least for me personally, the grudge with Bruinsma would lie not in the fact that they did not counter for us (that would have been a dumb thing to do anyway), but in the fact that they joined the enemy.
From Bruinsma's perspective I guess they felt more attached to the pact after Krays' death, and maybe also before. They are blooded to Righelli who are obviously on the pact side, and then they have Purgatory who attacked the pact, but pussied out. So where would you stand if you were Bruinsma? Pussy-Purgatory + random and somewhat unreliable fams, or loyal Righelli and their side? I know where I'd be, but I still don't like them for joining our enemy.
What's up with all this Krays/Bruinsma stuff?
I'm no top in Krays, just a member. But if it was my call I would have had NONE of our bloods help us. When we attacked Aztec it was our decision, and it was obvious that we would pay for it, seeing how weakened we had become also. It had been better if our bloods had let us die and instead participated in the bigger war against the pact. I don't think anyone wanted Bruinsma to suicide for Krays - If they did, they sure are idiots. Also afterwards it's very clear that Krays was being used to lure out Marazzino's counter, as a direct attack at Marazzino would have caused all their bloods to counter. I guess the pact knew Marazzino would counter for Krays and that Bruinsma wouldn't.
What I personally did not like, was to see Bruinsma blooding our enemies right as they had shot us or maybe right before, I'm not sure. Either way it seems distasteful to me. And I also just see Bruinsma being used as cannonfodder for Conflict, but we will see if Conflict will try to protect them later on.
So at least for me personally, the grudge with Bruinsma would lie not in the fact that they did not counter for us (that would have been a dumb thing to do anyway), but in the fact that they joined the enemy.
From Bruinsma's perspective I guess they felt more attached to the pact after Krays' death, and maybe also before. They are blooded to Righelli who are obviously on the pact side, and then they have Purgatory who attacked the pact, but pussied out. So where would you stand if you were Bruinsma? Pussy-Purgatory + random and somewhat unreliable fams, or loyal Righelli and their side? I know where I'd be, but I still don't like them for joining our enemy.
try to shut up time to time
Novu (21:56:25 - 02-03)
What's up with all this Krays/Bruinsma stuff?
I'm no top in Krays, just a member. But if it was my call I would have had NONE of our bloods help us. When we attacked Aztec it was our decision, and it was obvious that we would pay for it, seeing how weakened we had become also. It had been better if our bloods had let us die and instead participated in the bigger war against the pact. I don't think anyone wanted Bruinsma to suicide for Krays - If they did, they sure are idiots. Also afterwards it's very clear that Krays was being used to lure out Marazzino's counter, as a direct attack at Marazzino would have caused all their bloods to counter. I guess the pact knew Marazzino would counter for Krays and that Bruinsma wouldn't.
What I personally did not like, was to see Bruinsma blooding our enemies right as they had shot us or maybe right before, I'm not sure. Either way it seems distasteful to me. And I also just see Bruinsma being used as cannonfodder for Conflict, but we will see if Conflict will try to protect them later on.
So at least for me personally, the grudge with Bruinsma would lie not in the fact that they did not counter for us (that would have been a dumb thing to do anyway), but in the fact that they joined the enemy.
From Bruinsma's perspective I guess they felt more attached to the pact after Krays' death, and maybe also before. They are blooded to Righelli who are obviously on the pact side, and then they have Purgatory who attacked the pact, but pussied out. So where would you stand if you were Bruinsma? Pussy-Purgatory + random and somewhat unreliable fams, or loyal Righelli and their side? I know where I'd be, but I still don't like them for joining our enemy.
I'm no top in Krays, just a member. But if it was my call I would have had NONE of our bloods help us. When we attacked Aztec it was our decision, and it was obvious that we would pay for it, seeing how weakened we had become also. It had been better if our bloods had let us die and instead participated in the bigger war against the pact. I don't think anyone wanted Bruinsma to suicide for Krays - If they did, they sure are idiots. Also afterwards it's very clear that Krays was being used to lure out Marazzino's counter, as a direct attack at Marazzino would have caused all their bloods to counter. I guess the pact knew Marazzino would counter for Krays and that Bruinsma wouldn't.
What I personally did not like, was to see Bruinsma blooding our enemies right as they had shot us or maybe right before, I'm not sure. Either way it seems distasteful to me. And I also just see Bruinsma being used as cannonfodder for Conflict, but we will see if Conflict will try to protect them later on.
So at least for me personally, the grudge with Bruinsma would lie not in the fact that they did not counter for us (that would have been a dumb thing to do anyway), but in the fact that they joined the enemy.
From Bruinsma's perspective I guess they felt more attached to the pact after Krays' death, and maybe also before. They are blooded to Righelli who are obviously on the pact side, and then they have Purgatory who attacked the pact, but pussied out. So where would you stand if you were Bruinsma? Pussy-Purgatory + random and somewhat unreliable fams, or loyal Righelli and their side? I know where I'd be, but I still don't like them for joining our enemy.
Brusakin (20:26:47 - 02-03)
Johnson at 19:05:31 on 02/03:
I never mentioned Krays, did I? I talked solely about Righ and Conf and the reasons why we blooded them and shot for them. As JTR says somewhere we have OUR reasons for not joining a war WE thought was stupid.
And Krays opening the versions, I do not think so. But again thats a matter of opinion.
What I do not get is, why you people insist on making an ass of yourself. You all do exactly the same as we do, and apply same logic when it comes to bloodsships, and yet you bash us for it...
Because you do not like our blood/s - PATHETIC !!!
o/
Anonymous at 17:11:33 on 02/03:
+1
Anonymous at 16:57:55 on 02/03:
Krays opened the version Johnson, do not tell us they acted stupid. one of the best moves in this version, shooting close blood of dominating fam. and that also triggered this major war.
and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version
Krays opened the version Johnson, do not tell us they acted stupid. one of the best moves in this version, shooting close blood of dominating fam. and that also triggered this major war.
and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version
I never mentioned Krays, did I? I talked solely about Righ and Conf and the reasons why we blooded them and shot for them. As JTR says somewhere we have OUR reasons for not joining a war WE thought was stupid.
And Krays opening the versions, I do not think so. But again thats a matter of opinion.
What I do not get is, why you people insist on making an ass of yourself. You all do exactly the same as we do, and apply same logic when it comes to bloodsships, and yet you bash us for it...
Because you do not like our blood/s - PATHETIC !!!
o/
I wouldn't say they opened up the version, but they were definitely the more interesting side to follow.
shell (19:42:12 - 02-03)
Giddiness at 17:32:23 on 02/03:
Righelli started getting shot after they started shooting ^_^
JTR at 17:29:04 on 02/03:
Nope, we shot for Conflict AND Righelli. And if you looked a bit at our fam.page through the version, then Righelli actually was a blood for the entire version. Furthermore, then they never used us, they didn't played us to make a surprise attack against our co-shooters, but they DID get attacked, so we helped both them and Conflict.
That's the difference - they didn't fuck up and then asked us to come and suicide for them. They got attacked, and we TOOK the choice to shoot even though we might get killed for it.
Giddiness at 17:26:33 on 02/03:
:D The point is you actually almost suicided for someone who imo used you :)
JTR at 17:23:49 on 02/03:
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Nope, we shot for Conflict AND Righelli. And if you looked a bit at our fam.page through the version, then Righelli actually was a blood for the entire version. Furthermore, then they never used us, they didn't played us to make a surprise attack against our co-shooters, but they DID get attacked, so we helped both them and Conflict.
That's the difference - they didn't fuck up and then asked us to come and suicide for them. They got attacked, and we TOOK the choice to shoot even though we might get killed for it.
We were targets from the start but that does't change anything, if we weren't targets, we would get involved in anyway.
Enough bruinsma bashing. They are one good family unlike the most. That is all i can say about them.
@bruinsma tops ,
never seen someone give so much effort to answer at anonymous posts before , if they dont like you , let them , you cannot change anyone's mind by repeating the same answers over and over , invite their true identities for a chat on irc and reason with it together.
never seen someone give so much effort to answer at anonymous posts before , if they dont like you , let them , you cannot change anyone's mind by repeating the same answers over and over , invite their true identities for a chat on irc and reason with it together.
Anonymous at 17:11:33 on 02/03:
+1
Anonymous at 16:57:55 on 02/03:
Krays opened the version Johnson, do not tell us they acted stupid. one of the best moves in this version, shooting close blood of dominating fam. and that also triggered this major war.
and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version
Krays opened the version Johnson, do not tell us they acted stupid. one of the best moves in this version, shooting close blood of dominating fam. and that also triggered this major war.
and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version
I never mentioned Krays, did I? I talked solely about Righ and Conf and the reasons why we blooded them and shot for them. As JTR says somewhere we have OUR reasons for not joining a war WE thought was stupid.
And Krays opening the versions, I do not think so. But again thats a matter of opinion.
What I do not get is, why you people insist on making an ass of yourself. You all do exactly the same as we do, and apply same logic when it comes to bloodsships, and yet you bash us for it...
Because you do not like our blood/s - PATHETIC !!!
o/
Anonymous (18:06:44 - 02-03)
Giddiness at 17:26:33 on 02/03:
:D The point is you actually almost suicided for someone who imo used you :)
JTR at 17:23:49 on 02/03:
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
actually bruinsma and conflict blooded the day before the war, but thats not important.
knife at 17:54:15 on 02/03:
i am really curious what you tried to mean with ' a few shoots ' better you check how much marangello people died, it wasnt even our war and if all people were killed their targets marangello was died m8 so cut the crap we killed more than we got as target next time prepare better war and talk here.
i am really curious what you tried to mean with ' a few shoots ' better you check how much marangello people died, it wasnt even our war and if all people were killed their targets marangello was died m8 so cut the crap we killed more than we got as target next time prepare better war and talk here.
This post is ridiculous seriously... not your war? It wasn't our war either.. tho fams who were alive had to do sth to give this version a chanse otherwise every fam would have been taken 1 by 1 as sitting duck. DO YOU really need explanation for this!? so.. you shot more than your targets were!? ahahahah You missed the war planning? :')
Please don't post such funny shits :') rofl
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
Johnson at 15:31:48 on 02/03:
I think what JTR objects too is the abuse Bruinsma has to take. We blood people we like, think are funny, play the game well, and brings fun. Righelli and Conflict do - I only mention those since they seem to cause the fuzz.
If you did not know, we have been bloods with them before, actually through some versions now. That has always been good fun. For several reasons. We like them, they play the game well (by that, I mean better than most of the whiners here), they bring fun and wars. They are not whiners or hypocrties.
You answer the questions you ask us youself basically.- We do not blood fams we do not like, we do not blood fams that whine and whine and whine. We do not blood fams we do not know, and we do not blood fams we think have a gathered IQ below average or game strategy and/or behavior that is well, low...
That should take care of your curiousity about Bruinsma I think.
On a side note, I think some of you tend to forget its a game..
o/
Deston1 at 15:08:52 on 02/03:
Then I was ill informed by tops stating you were bloods although yes, I realise I probably mixed up one of the fams mentioned with tempestuoso. But I must agree, families suiciding one at a time is never a good idea. If maraz had shown some patience and waited a day, or purga had not backed out then the results of this war could have been much different.
JTR at 14:51:56 on 02/03:
We were not blooded to Gambino and Leviticus, Deston, and when Gambino and Tempest decided to suicide, Tempest understood, that we didn't feel it was the right thing to do, and didn't expect us to join them just because we were bloods. They respected that we thought it was wiser to play different. We would ofcourse also never expect a blood to suicide just because we feel like it and attack someone we don't like - if you do so, then you are not a good blood.
There is no hard feelings between Bruinsma and Tempest, which I bet Tempest tops will confirm, if you ask them.
If one has to suicide everytime one of your bloods do so, then you're not taking your own decisions as a family, but just following the other lemmings... It is every families right to decide if they want to join a suicide attack or not, but they shouldn't be blamed for chosing another path...
Deston1 at 14:30:11 on 02/03:
Out of curiousity shell, did you blood them before or after bruinsmas bloods (latobuio, leviticus & gambino) died?
Yes, I know supposedly the bloodship with dig ended just before lato went down (as I heard from some tops while some of their other tops didn't even know), but I'm sure there were reasons.
Anyway Bruinsma shot well last war and at least they didn't let 6 bloods die and never shoot at all until they got hijacked (complexio).
shell at 11:08:39 on 02/03:
who are other 2 ?, they got only 4 bloods which are krays (rip), righelli, conflict and purgatory.
When it is your bloods who don't help your family, they are the lowest ones, bad blood ( with the lightest word)
When the bloods of family you attack at, jumps into defend their bloods, they are again the lowest ones and bla bla bla.
Imo, the lowest dog around here is you and people like you, noone else. Bruinsma is one of the few families i respect and that is the reason why we become bloods with them without questioning adv/disadv of the deal.
Anyway, what i wonder is, after making up lies in your little world, do you also begin to believe in it after a while ?
Anonymous at 10:22:55 on 02/03:
And screwed over 2 other bloods.
Nah, Bruinsma really are the lowest dogs this version has seen, thus far.
They could have done something for the greater good but instead licked up to Conflict.
Really, respect would be totally misplaced, if you put it into this puppets of Conflict.
Stodder at 09:51:44 on 02/03:
Respect Bruinsma, you guys saved 2 bloods. Stop hating now please.
Anonymous at 08:56:04 on 02/03:
If bruinsma didn't involve in that war conflict and righelli would be down.
If bruinsma didn't involve in that war conflict and righelli would be down.
Respect Bruinsma, you guys saved 2 bloods. Stop hating now please.
And screwed over 2 other bloods.
Nah, Bruinsma really are the lowest dogs this version has seen, thus far.
They could have done something for the greater good but instead licked up to Conflict.
Really, respect would be totally misplaced, if you put it into this puppets of Conflict.
who are other 2 ?, they got only 4 bloods which are krays (rip), righelli, conflict and purgatory.
When it is your bloods who don't help your family, they are the lowest ones, bad blood ( with the lightest word)
When the bloods of family you attack at, jumps into defend their bloods, they are again the lowest ones and bla bla bla.
Imo, the lowest dog around here is you and people like you, noone else. Bruinsma is one of the few families i respect and that is the reason why we become bloods with them without questioning adv/disadv of the deal.
Anyway, what i wonder is, after making up lies in your little world, do you also begin to believe in it after a while ?
Yes, I know supposedly the bloodship with dig ended just before lato went down (as I heard from some tops while some of their other tops didn't even know), but I'm sure there were reasons.
Anyway Bruinsma shot well last war and at least they didn't let 6 bloods die and never shoot at all until they got hijacked (complexio).
We were not blooded to Gambino and Leviticus, Deston, and when Gambino and Tempest decided to suicide, Tempest understood, that we didn't feel it was the right thing to do, and didn't expect us to join them just because we were bloods. They respected that we thought it was wiser to play different. We would ofcourse also never expect a blood to suicide just because we feel like it and attack someone we don't like - if you do so, then you are not a good blood.
There is no hard feelings between Bruinsma and Tempest, which I bet Tempest tops will confirm, if you ask them.
If one has to suicide everytime one of your bloods do so, then you're not taking your own decisions as a family, but just following the other lemmings... It is every families right to decide if they want to join a suicide attack or not, but they shouldn't be blamed for chosing another path...
I think what JTR objects too is the abuse Bruinsma has to take. We blood people we like, think are funny, play the game well, and brings fun. Righelli and Conflict do - I only mention those since they seem to cause the fuzz.
If you did not know, we have been bloods with them before, actually through some versions now. That has always been good fun. For several reasons. We like them, they play the game well (by that, I mean better than most of the whiners here), they bring fun and wars. They are not whiners or hypocrties.
You answer the questions you ask us youself basically.- We do not blood fams we do not like, we do not blood fams that whine and whine and whine. We do not blood fams we do not know, and we do not blood fams we think have a gathered IQ below average or game strategy and/or behavior that is well, low...
That should take care of your curiousity about Bruinsma I think.
On a side note, I think some of you tend to forget its a game..
o/
i am really curious what you tried to mean with ' a few shoots ' better you check how much marangello people died, it wasnt even our war and if all people were killed their targets marangello was died m8 so cut the crap we killed more than we got as target next time prepare better war and talk here.
Giddiness at 17:32:23 on 02/03:
Righelli started getting shot after they started shooting ^_^
JTR at 17:29:04 on 02/03:
Nope, we shot for Conflict AND Righelli. And if you looked a bit at our fam.page through the version, then Righelli actually was a blood for the entire version. Furthermore, then they never used us, they didn't played us to make a surprise attack against our co-shooters, but they DID get attacked, so we helped both them and Conflict.
That's the difference - they didn't fuck up and then asked us to come and suicide for them. They got attacked, and we TOOK the choice to shoot even though we might get killed for it.
Giddiness at 17:26:33 on 02/03:
:D The point is you actually almost suicided for someone who imo used you :)
JTR at 17:23:49 on 02/03:
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Nope, we shot for Conflict AND Righelli. And if you looked a bit at our fam.page through the version, then Righelli actually was a blood for the entire version. Furthermore, then they never used us, they didn't played us to make a surprise attack against our co-shooters, but they DID get attacked, so we helped both them and Conflict.
That's the difference - they didn't fuck up and then asked us to come and suicide for them. They got attacked, and we TOOK the choice to shoot even though we might get killed for it.
Ok. And if you read one of my previous posts, then you could also see, that Kurosawa had more or less asked for us to get involved with their behaviour throughout the 3 weeks prior to the war.
But again. The question is: why should we play with people, we don't know just to satisfy people here? We shot with those we like, to help those we like, to help those who haven't fucked us up. If they do so, then we will look for new playmates....
JTR at 17:29:04 on 02/03:
Nope, we shot for Conflict AND Righelli. And if you looked a bit at our fam.page through the version, then Righelli actually was a blood for the entire version. Furthermore, then they never used us, they didn't played us to make a surprise attack against our co-shooters, but they DID get attacked, so we helped both them and Conflict.
That's the difference - they didn't fuck up and then asked us to come and suicide for them. They got attacked, and we TOOK the choice to shoot even though we might get killed for it.
Giddiness at 17:26:33 on 02/03:
:D The point is you actually almost suicided for someone who imo used you :)
JTR at 17:23:49 on 02/03:
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Nope, we shot for Conflict AND Righelli. And if you looked a bit at our fam.page through the version, then Righelli actually was a blood for the entire version. Furthermore, then they never used us, they didn't played us to make a surprise attack against our co-shooters, but they DID get attacked, so we helped both them and Conflict.
That's the difference - they didn't fuck up and then asked us to come and suicide for them. They got attacked, and we TOOK the choice to shoot even though we might get killed for it.
Giddiness at 17:26:33 on 02/03:
:D The point is you actually almost suicided for someone who imo used you :)
JTR at 17:23:49 on 02/03:
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Nope, we shot for Conflict AND Righelli. And if you looked a bit at our fam.page through the version, then Righelli actually was a blood for the entire version. Furthermore, then they never used us, they didn't played us to make a surprise attack against our co-shooters, but they DID get attacked, so we helped both them and Conflict.
That's the difference - they didn't fuck up and then asked us to come and suicide for them. They got attacked, and we CHOSE to shoot even though we might get killed for it.
JTR at 17:23:49 on 02/03:
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD
Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
Yes, we put it on fam.page the same day. But we were blooded to Righelli for months before that, and on the contrary to other fams., then they never let us down, hence we ofcourse helped them...
Anonymous at 16:57:55 on 02/03:
Krays opened the version Johnson, do not tell us they acted stupid. one of the best moves in this version, shooting close blood of dominating fam. and that also triggered this major war.
and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version
Krays opened the version Johnson, do not tell us they acted stupid. one of the best moves in this version, shooting close blood of dominating fam. and that also triggered this major war.
and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version
We aren't really discussing, what impact Krays action had on the version here, ANONYMOUS. We are discussing the hatred against us for not suiciding for them, even though they used us to plan a war against our co-shooters. That's disloyalty towards a blood = not something we are gonna suicide for. And since 2 of our bloods + ourself got striken very bad after this "opening of the version", then one can discuss, if it was something we, as Bruinsma, prefered or not?
Again, everything is relative - what's best seen with some eyes, aren't always the same seen with other eyes. When one pact dies, then another one just takes over - that's what we have seen in more or less all versions since 2.1 - perhaps with the exception of 2.5/2.6 where the powerbalance changed a lot throughout the version. So it's not objective to say it's good that "the pact" died - it depends on what pact you cheer at.... And because you back bloods and friends, then it isn't the same as being a puppet; it's only a question of being able to take your own decisions after evaluating a situation, which we know how to do. Do you? Or do you always play with the same group and follow them no matter what they do? Like suicide, if bloods suicide? Then you are the puppet...
Johnson at 15:31:48 on 02/03:
I think what JTR objects too is the abuse Bruinsma has to take. We blood people we like, think are funny, play the game well, and brings fun. Righelli and Conflict do - I only mention those since they seem to cause the fuzz.
If you did not know, we have been bloods with them before, actually through some versions now. That has always been good fun. For several reasons. We like them, they play the game well (by that, I mean better than most of the whiners here), they bring fun and wars. They are not whiners or hypocrties.
You answer the questions you ask us youself basically.- We do not blood fams we do not like, we do not blood fams that whine and whine and whine. We do not blood fams we do not know, and we do not blood fams we think have a gathered IQ below average or game strategy and/or behavior that is well, low...
That should take care of your curiousity about Bruinsma I think.
On a side note, I think some of you tend to forget its a game..
o/
Deston1 at 15:08:52 on 02/03:
Then I was ill informed by tops stating you were bloods although yes, I realise I probably mixed up one of the fams mentioned with tempestuoso. But I must agree, families suiciding one at a time is never a good idea. If maraz had shown some patience and waited a day, or purga had not backed out then the results of this war could have been much different.
JTR at 14:51:56 on 02/03:
We were not blooded to Gambino and Leviticus, Deston, and when Gambino and Tempest decided to suicide, Tempest understood, that we didn't feel it was the right thing to do, and didn't expect us to join them just because we were bloods. They respected that we thought it was wiser to play different. We would ofcourse also never expect a blood to suicide just because we feel like it and attack someone we don't like - if you do so, then you are not a good blood.
There is no hard feelings between Bruinsma and Tempest, which I bet Tempest tops will confirm, if you ask them.
If one has to suicide everytime one of your bloods do so, then you're not taking your own decisions as a family, but just following the other lemmings... It is every families right to decide if they want to join a suicide attack or not, but they shouldn't be blamed for chosing another path...
Deston1 at 14:30:11 on 02/03:
Out of curiousity shell, did you blood them before or after bruinsmas bloods (latobuio, leviticus & gambino) died?
Yes, I know supposedly the bloodship with dig ended just before lato went down (as I heard from some tops while some of their other tops didn't even know), but I'm sure there were reasons.
Anyway Bruinsma shot well last war and at least they didn't let 6 bloods die and never shoot at all until they got hijacked (complexio).
shell at 11:08:39 on 02/03:
who are other 2 ?, they got only 4 bloods which are krays (rip), righelli, conflict and purgatory.
When it is your bloods who don't help your family, they are the lowest ones, bad blood ( with the lightest word)
When the bloods of family you attack at, jumps into defend their bloods, they are again the lowest ones and bla bla bla.
Imo, the lowest dog around here is you and people like you, noone else. Bruinsma is one of the few families i respect and that is the reason why we become bloods with them without questioning adv/disadv of the deal.
Anyway, what i wonder is, after making up lies in your little world, do you also begin to believe in it after a while ?
Anonymous at 10:22:55 on 02/03:
And screwed over 2 other bloods.
Nah, Bruinsma really are the lowest dogs this version has seen, thus far.
They could have done something for the greater good but instead licked up to Conflict.
Really, respect would be totally misplaced, if you put it into this puppets of Conflict.
Stodder at 09:51:44 on 02/03:
Respect Bruinsma, you guys saved 2 bloods. Stop hating now please.
Anonymous at 08:56:04 on 02/03:
If bruinsma didn't involve in that war conflict and righelli would be down.
If bruinsma didn't involve in that war conflict and righelli would be down.
Respect Bruinsma, you guys saved 2 bloods. Stop hating now please.
And screwed over 2 other bloods.
Nah, Bruinsma really are the lowest dogs this version has seen, thus far.
They could have done something for the greater good but instead licked up to Conflict.
Really, respect would be totally misplaced, if you put it into this puppets of Conflict.
who are other 2 ?, they got only 4 bloods which are krays (rip), righelli, conflict and purgatory.
When it is your bloods who don't help your family, they are the lowest ones, bad blood ( with the lightest word)
When the bloods of family you attack at, jumps into defend their bloods, they are again the lowest ones and bla bla bla.
Imo, the lowest dog around here is you and people like you, noone else. Bruinsma is one of the few families i respect and that is the reason why we become bloods with them without questioning adv/disadv of the deal.
Anyway, what i wonder is, after making up lies in your little world, do you also begin to believe in it after a while ?
Yes, I know supposedly the bloodship with dig ended just before lato went down (as I heard from some tops while some of their other tops didn't even know), but I'm sure there were reasons.
Anyway Bruinsma shot well last war and at least they didn't let 6 bloods die and never shoot at all until they got hijacked (complexio).
We were not blooded to Gambino and Leviticus, Deston, and when Gambino and Tempest decided to suicide, Tempest understood, that we didn't feel it was the right thing to do, and didn't expect us to join them just because we were bloods. They respected that we thought it was wiser to play different. We would ofcourse also never expect a blood to suicide just because we feel like it and attack someone we don't like - if you do so, then you are not a good blood.
There is no hard feelings between Bruinsma and Tempest, which I bet Tempest tops will confirm, if you ask them.
If one has to suicide everytime one of your bloods do so, then you're not taking your own decisions as a family, but just following the other lemmings... It is every families right to decide if they want to join a suicide attack or not, but they shouldn't be blamed for chosing another path...
I think what JTR objects too is the abuse Bruinsma has to take. We blood people we like, think are funny, play the game well, and brings fun. Righelli and Conflict do - I only mention those since they seem to cause the fuzz.
If you did not know, we have been bloods with them before, actually through some versions now. That has always been good fun. For several reasons. We like them, they play the game well (by that, I mean better than most of the whiners here), they bring fun and wars. They are not whiners or hypocrties.
You answer the questions you ask us youself basically.- We do not blood fams we do not like, we do not blood fams that whine and whine and whine. We do not blood fams we do not know, and we do not blood fams we think have a gathered IQ below average or game strategy and/or behavior that is well, low...
That should take care of your curiousity about Bruinsma I think.
On a side note, I think some of you tend to forget its a game..
o/
Anonymous (17:11:33 - 02-03)
Anonymous at 16:57:55 on 02/03:
Krays opened the version Johnson, do not tell us they acted stupid. one of the best moves in this version, shooting close blood of dominating fam. and that also triggered this major war.
and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version
Krays opened the version Johnson, do not tell us they acted stupid. one of the best moves in this version, shooting close blood of dominating fam. and that also triggered this major war.
and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version
Anonymous (16:57:55 - 02-03)
Krays opened the version Johnson, do not tell us they acted stupid. one of the best moves in this version, shooting close blood of dominating fam. and that also triggered this major war.
and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version
and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version
Deston1 at 15:08:52 on 02/03:
Then I was ill informed by tops stating you were bloods although yes, I realise I probably mixed up one of the fams mentioned with tempestuoso. But I must agree, families suiciding one at a time is never a good idea. If maraz had shown some patience and waited a day, or purga had not backed out then the results of this war could have been much different.
JTR at 14:51:56 on 02/03:
We were not blooded to Gambino and Leviticus, Deston, and when Gambino and Tempest decided to suicide, Tempest understood, that we didn't feel it was the right thing to do, and didn't expect us to join them just because we were bloods. They respected that we thought it was wiser to play different. We would ofcourse also never expect a blood to suicide just because we feel like it and attack someone we don't like - if you do so, then you are not a good blood.
There is no hard feelings between Bruinsma and Tempest, which I bet Tempest tops will confirm, if you ask them.
If one has to suicide everytime one of your bloods do so, then you're not taking your own decisions as a family, but just following the other lemmings... It is every families right to decide if they want to join a suicide attack or not, but they shouldn't be blamed for chosing another path...
Deston1 at 14:30:11 on 02/03:
Out of curiousity shell, did you blood them before or after bruinsmas bloods (latobuio, leviticus & gambino) died?
Yes, I know supposedly the bloodship with dig ended just before lato went down (as I heard from some tops while some of their other tops didn't even know), but I'm sure there were reasons.
Anyway Bruinsma shot well last war and at least they didn't let 6 bloods die and never shoot at all until they got hijacked (complexio).
shell at 11:08:39 on 02/03:
who are other 2 ?, they got only 4 bloods which are krays (rip), righelli, conflict and purgatory.
When it is your bloods who don't help your family, they are the lowest ones, bad blood ( with the lightest word)
When the bloods of family you attack at, jumps into defend their bloods, they are again the lowest ones and bla bla bla.
Imo, the lowest dog around here is you and people like you, noone else. Bruinsma is one of the few families i respect and that is the reason why we become bloods with them without questioning adv/disadv of the deal.
Anyway, what i wonder is, after making up lies in your little world, do you also begin to believe in it after a while ?
Anonymous at 10:22:55 on 02/03:
And screwed over 2 other bloods.
Nah, Bruinsma really are the lowest dogs this version has seen, thus far.
They could have done something for the greater good but instead licked up to Conflict.
Really, respect would be totally misplaced, if you put it into this puppets of Conflict.
Stodder at 09:51:44 on 02/03:
Respect Bruinsma, you guys saved 2 bloods. Stop hating now please.
Anonymous at 08:56:04 on 02/03:
If bruinsma didn't involve in that war conflict and righelli would be down.
If bruinsma didn't involve in that war conflict and righelli would be down.
Respect Bruinsma, you guys saved 2 bloods. Stop hating now please.
And screwed over 2 other bloods.
Nah, Bruinsma really are the lowest dogs this version has seen, thus far.
They could have done something for the greater good but instead licked up to Conflict.
Really, respect would be totally misplaced, if you put it into this puppets of Conflict.
who are other 2 ?, they got only 4 bloods which are krays (rip), righelli, conflict and purgatory.
When it is your bloods who don't help your family, they are the lowest ones, bad blood ( with the lightest word)
When the bloods of family you attack at, jumps into defend their bloods, they are again the lowest ones and bla bla bla.
Imo, the lowest dog around here is you and people like you, noone else. Bruinsma is one of the few families i respect and that is the reason why we become bloods with them without questioning adv/disadv of the deal.
Anyway, what i wonder is, after making up lies in your little world, do you also begin to believe in it after a while ?
Yes, I know supposedly the bloodship with dig ended just before lato went down (as I heard from some tops while some of their other tops didn't even know), but I'm sure there were reasons.
Anyway Bruinsma shot well last war and at least they didn't let 6 bloods die and never shoot at all until they got hijacked (complexio).
We were not blooded to Gambino and Leviticus, Deston, and when Gambino and Tempest decided to suicide, Tempest understood, that we didn't feel it was the right thing to do, and didn't expect us to join them just because we were bloods. They respected that we thought it was wiser to play different. We would ofcourse also never expect a blood to suicide just because we feel like it and attack someone we don't like - if you do so, then you are not a good blood.
There is no hard feelings between Bruinsma and Tempest, which I bet Tempest tops will confirm, if you ask them.
If one has to suicide everytime one of your bloods do so, then you're not taking your own decisions as a family, but just following the other lemmings... It is every families right to decide if they want to join a suicide attack or not, but they shouldn't be blamed for chosing another path...
I think what JTR objects too is the abuse Bruinsma has to take. We blood people we like, think are funny, play the game well, and brings fun. Righelli and Conflict do - I only mention those since they seem to cause the fuzz.
If you did not know, we have been bloods with them before, actually through some versions now. That has always been good fun. For several reasons. We like them, they play the game well (by that, I mean better than most of the whiners here), they bring fun and wars. They are not whiners or hypocrties.
You answer the questions you ask us youself basically.- We do not blood fams we do not like, we do not blood fams that whine and whine and whine. We do not blood fams we do not know, and we do not blood fams we think have a gathered IQ below average or game strategy and/or behavior that is well, low...
That should take care of your curiousity about Bruinsma I think.
On a side note, I think some of you tend to forget its a game..
o/
What's up with all this Krays/Bruinsma stuff?
I'm no top in Krays, just a member. But if it was my call I would have had NONE of our bloods help us. When we attacked Aztec it was our decision, and it was obvious that we would pay for it, seeing how weakened we had become also. It had been better if our bloods had let us die and instead participated in the bigger war against the pact. I don't think anyone wanted Bruinsma to suicide for Krays - If they did, they sure are idiots. Also afterwards it's very clear that Krays was being used to lure out Marazzino's counter, as a direct attack at Marazzino would have caused all their bloods to counter. I guess the pact knew Marazzino would counter for Krays and that Bruinsma wouldn't.
What I personally did not like, was to see Bruinsma blooding our enemies right as they had shot us or maybe right before, I'm not sure. Either way it seems distasteful to me. And I also just see Bruinsma being used as cannonfodder for Conflict, but we will see if Conflict will try to protect them later on.
So at least for me personally, the grudge with Bruinsma would lie not in the fact that they did not counter for us (that would have been a dumb thing to do anyway), but in the fact that they joined the enemy.
From Bruinsma's perspective I guess they felt more attached to the pact after Krays' death, and maybe also before. They are blooded to Righelli who are obviously on the pact side, and then they have Purgatory who attacked the pact, but pussied out. So where would you stand if you were Bruinsma? Pussy-Purgatory + random and somewhat unreliable fams, or loyal Righelli and their side? I know where I'd be, but I still don't like them for joining our enemy.
try to shut up time to time
Since I contribute to the discussion here with good manners etc. I don't see why you would tell me to shut up. I don't know you, but seeing that you have some hate towards me, I will take a wild guess that you must be from Aztec or some other fam that Krays have shot during the span of time. It's either that or you're just some kid trolling on the internet. That's the only way to explain your disrespectful tone.