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27-02 War vs 'The Pact'
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17:35:39 - 02-03
Giddiness at 17:32:23 on 02/03:
JTR at 17:29:04 on 02/03:
Giddiness at 17:26:33 on 02/03:
JTR at 17:23:49 on 02/03:
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD

Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
:D The point is you actually almost suicided for someone who imo used you :)

Nope, we shot for Conflict AND Righelli. And if you looked a bit at our fam.page through the version, then Righelli actually was a blood for the entire version. Furthermore, then they never used us, they didn't played us to make a surprise attack against our co-shooters, but they DID get attacked, so we helped both them and Conflict.

That's the difference - they didn't fuck up and then asked us to come and suicide for them. They got attacked, and we TOOK the choice to shoot even though we might get killed for it.
Righelli started getting shot after they started shooting ^_^

Ok. And if you read one of my previous posts, then you could also see, that Kurosawa had more or less asked for us to get involved with their behaviour throughout the 3 weeks prior to the war.

But again. The question is: why should we play with people, we don't know just to satisfy people here? We shot with those we like, to help those we like, to help those who haven't fucked us up. If they do so, then we will look for new playmates....
27-02 War vs 'The Pact'
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17:29:04 - 02-03
Giddiness at 17:26:33 on 02/03:
JTR at 17:23:49 on 02/03:
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD

Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...
:D The point is you actually almost suicided for someone who imo used you :)

Nope, we shot for Conflict AND Righelli. And if you looked a bit at our fam.page through the version, then Righelli actually was a blood for the entire version. Furthermore, then they never used us, they didn't played us to make a surprise attack against our co-shooters, but they DID get attacked, so we helped both them and Conflict.

That's the difference - they didn't fuck up and then asked us to come and suicide for them. They got attacked, and we CHOSE to shoot even though we might get killed for it.
27-02 War vs 'The Pact'
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17:23:49 - 02-03
Giddiness at 17:15:26 on 02/03:
LOL You blooded conflict the same day when was the attack :') No matter since when you had talks I would feel a "bit" used if they agreed to be bloods the same day. Not to mention you had bloods in the attackers aswell(doesn't matter they pussied out after a few shots). I actually have always had better opionion about you..Tho you are still better than Liberta who licked Vinci's balls xD

Sorry, we couldn't live up to your expectations. Next time we will just suicide with our head up our asses, when asked to do so...

Yes, we put it on fam.page the same day. But we were blooded to Righelli for months before that, and on the contrary to other fams., then they never let us down, hence we ofcourse helped them...
27-02 War vs 'The Pact'
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17:21:44 - 02-03
Anonymous at 16:57:55 on 02/03:
Krays opened the version Johnson, do not tell us they acted stupid. one of the best moves in this version, shooting close blood of dominating fam. and that also triggered this major war.

and now you blame for krays move. what should they do, lick conflict ass or wait until pact gained their strength and die without giving fatal dmg. i found krays so arrogant in previous versions, but they have gained my respect this version

We aren't really discussing, what impact Krays action had on the version here, ANONYMOUS. We are discussing the hatred against us for not suiciding for them, even though they used us to plan a war against our co-shooters. That's disloyalty towards a blood = not something we are gonna suicide for. And since 2 of our bloods + ourself got striken very bad after this "opening of the version", then one can discuss, if it was something we, as Bruinsma, prefered or not?

Again, everything is relative - what's best seen with some eyes, aren't always the same seen with other eyes. When one pact dies, then another one just takes over - that's what we have seen in more or less all versions since 2.1 - perhaps with the exception of 2.5/2.6 where the powerbalance changed a lot throughout the version. So it's not objective to say it's good that "the pact" died - it depends on what pact you cheer at.... And because you back bloods and friends, then it isn't the same as being a puppet; it's only a question of being able to take your own decisions after evaluating a situation, which we know how to do. Do you? Or do you always play with the same group and follow them no matter what they do? Like suicide, if bloods suicide? Then you are the puppet...
27-02 War vs 'The Pact'
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15:25:09 - 02-03
Deston1 at 15:08:52 on 02/03:
Then I was ill informed by tops stating you were bloods although yes, I realise I probably mixed up one of the fams mentioned with tempestuoso. But I must agree, families suiciding one at a time is never a good idea. If maraz had shown some patience and waited a day, or purga had not backed out then the results of this war could have been much different.

Fair enough, everyone can make mistakes, but the bottomline is, we weren't blooded to Gambino or Leviticus, so we didn't let them down. And if we had been bloods with them, I still don't think we would have let them down by declining an invitation to a suicidal war, if we didn't find it wise to suicide - as we also told Tempest. They decided to go ahead with the war, which ofcourse sucked, since they died, but they did also understand, that we didn't share their point of view.

Being bloods is not equal to doing exactly as the others, and if one takes a decision, you don't approve of, then you don't have to back that decision up. If you ask/demand that of your bloods, then you are the bad blood, not the family which acts as an individual.
For the record, then Tempest never asked us to suicide nor were pissed we didn't do so afterwards!