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Bugs Bugs Bugs?!
We just saw a few akills, which downed Righelli & Lucchese. So OBN started investigating what happened, speaking with some people to find out exactly what happpened.
A Top from a an unnamed family told OBN that he abused several bugs in Omerta. He only told Beyond about 2 in specific, but there are way and way more he told us. But these are the most used.
1. Bloodbank bug → When you have for example 99% health and you would go to the bloodbank and add the following DOM value in the input field "100e-2" you would end up with 199% health!
Here we have to ask, how long is this going on? Are there more families who knew about this? And what if they had all their members at 199% health, they just wouldn't be able to be brought down. I think of yesterdays war where tops of the attacking families state that Righelli highranks for example just didn't die. Same goes for countering families that said it was impossible to kill Messina accounts, while Messina was an agressor in the war, thus needing to have attack BG setups.
We have no proof here, but these are our first thoughts of course. We are not pointing any fingers!
2. Hitlist bug → So you want to hitlist a person but you don't have the required money? Another simple solution! If you would fill out "100e+6" in the input field you would hitlist a person for $100 million omerta dollars and it would only cost you $100 omerta dollars. Sounds like a fair deal to me!
We saw a lot of Messina people who got hitlisted a few days ago, and i think opponents of Messina may have used this bug to hitlist them.
Update: Some reporters saw, especially this version, rather weird bumps of money ingame. It was suddenly way higher than it ever was. An abuser explained to us how they did this.
They looked for a target, when they found him, they put this person on the hitlist and shot inmediatly. → free money!
Update²: If this is possible in the input fields at the Hitlist and the Bloodbank. Is it also possible to fill these codes in at all other input fields? If this is true it would mean that every aspect with an input field of the game could be abused by this bug. SH Time, Bullets used to shoot, Gambling, EVERYTHING.
We recieve images and logs from everyone that the bugs are also used to get extra RP and more bullets from the local factory then allowed.
A anonymous person showed me he bought 1337 units of beer as swindler and gained about 30% rank progess!
Another showed an image where he bought 10.000 bullets from the local factory. → http://i46.tinypic.com/2d7wqix.png
Should we start doubting at omerta and the "winners" of omerta the last few versions?
Lance Armstrong came clean yesterday, he told Oprah he used forbidden substitutes to perfom better and win the Tour de France. Did certain families also used these "methodes/substitutes" to win a version? or came out as winner in certain wars?
We just saw a few akills, which downed Righelli & Lucchese. So OBN started investigating what happened, speaking with some people to find out exactly what happpened.
A Top from a an unnamed family told OBN that he abused several bugs in Omerta. He only told Beyond about 2 in specific, but there are way and way more he told us. But these are the most used.
1. Bloodbank bug → When you have for example 99% health and you would go to the bloodbank and add the following DOM value in the input field "100e-2" you would end up with 199% health!
Here we have to ask, how long is this going on? Are there more families who knew about this? And what if they had all their members at 199% health, they just wouldn't be able to be brought down. I think of yesterdays war where tops of the attacking families state that Righelli highranks for example just didn't die. Same goes for countering families that said it was impossible to kill Messina accounts, while Messina was an agressor in the war, thus needing to have attack BG setups.
We have no proof here, but these are our first thoughts of course. We are not pointing any fingers!
2. Hitlist bug → So you want to hitlist a person but you don't have the required money? Another simple solution! If you would fill out "100e+6" in the input field you would hitlist a person for $100 million omerta dollars and it would only cost you $100 omerta dollars. Sounds like a fair deal to me!
We saw a lot of Messina people who got hitlisted a few days ago, and i think opponents of Messina may have used this bug to hitlist them.
Update: Some reporters saw, especially this version, rather weird bumps of money ingame. It was suddenly way higher than it ever was. An abuser explained to us how they did this.
They looked for a target, when they found him, they put this person on the hitlist and shot inmediatly. → free money!
Update²: If this is possible in the input fields at the Hitlist and the Bloodbank. Is it also possible to fill these codes in at all other input fields? If this is true it would mean that every aspect with an input field of the game could be abused by this bug. SH Time, Bullets used to shoot, Gambling, EVERYTHING.
We recieve images and logs from everyone that the bugs are also used to get extra RP and more bullets from the local factory then allowed.
A anonymous person showed me he bought 1337 units of beer as swindler and gained about 30% rank progess!
Another showed an image where he bought 10.000 bullets from the local factory. → http://i46.tinypic.com/2d7wqix.png
Should we start doubting at omerta and the "winners" of omerta the last few versions?
Lance Armstrong came clean yesterday, he told Oprah he used forbidden substitutes to perfom better and win the Tour de France. Did certain families also used these "methodes/substitutes" to win a version? or came out as winner in certain wars?
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statistics
| War started on: 14:49:02 18-01-2013 | War ended on: 15:01:00 18-01-2013 |
| Bullet difference: -1,481,519 | War duration: 11m |
| Money difference: -$1,065,804,084 | Players died: 19 |
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Anonymous (17:22:43 - 18-01)
isImportant? (17:22:35 - 18-01)
some truths about these bugs,
first of all this is not a new bug, it is same bug in bullet factories like 4-5 years ago. Old players will remember that some players were buying free bullets. It was same idea, admins fixed that bug but apparently did not check other parts of the game.
First, about blood bug, it has been being abused like 5-6 months, but I tested it many times with low ranks and 2 times with brug accounts, and you were dying! The KA somehow decides who will die and not die without considering you have lots of blood or not. Maybe they apply some ranges and more than 90 is same as having 100 in that decision.
People who know programming a little bit will understand what I mean.
Bottomline: You wont die from blood loss, but still it is possible you may die in one shoot.
Hitlist bug is found after blood bug, it was more useful than blood bug, the first time it is seen hitlisting "SA" latigo don for 1 b. The safe way of doing that was following but some did not do that and caught by statistics bots many times then all omerta learned about it,
my method was:
hitlist one noob and wait trabot update
after trabot update hitlist ur target
kill
send money to lackeys
no seen hitlist in trabot, no statistics update.
Bottomline: Yeah, it sponsored many wars and accounts.
About hitlist of messina, no it was not a hitlist bug, it was money coming from blackjacks, almost all owners lost their blackjack in that night, and the guy who did it made it made hitlisting in a fair way because he wanted those brugs dead. Was it another bj bug? maybe yes maybe no,
- btw i dont know who bought those guys? is it messina who found over 1 b in one night? if someone knows it, update me pls.
Final remark to admins if any reading, messina has a money bug as well, its different from hitlist bug, its on poker, check arcanine or drimacus poker logs, and you gonna beat them as well.
first of all this is not a new bug, it is same bug in bullet factories like 4-5 years ago. Old players will remember that some players were buying free bullets. It was same idea, admins fixed that bug but apparently did not check other parts of the game.
First, about blood bug, it has been being abused like 5-6 months, but I tested it many times with low ranks and 2 times with brug accounts, and you were dying! The KA somehow decides who will die and not die without considering you have lots of blood or not. Maybe they apply some ranges and more than 90 is same as having 100 in that decision.
People who know programming a little bit will understand what I mean.
Bottomline: You wont die from blood loss, but still it is possible you may die in one shoot.
Hitlist bug is found after blood bug, it was more useful than blood bug, the first time it is seen hitlisting "SA" latigo don for 1 b. The safe way of doing that was following but some did not do that and caught by statistics bots many times then all omerta learned about it,
my method was:
hitlist one noob and wait trabot update
after trabot update hitlist ur target
kill
send money to lackeys
no seen hitlist in trabot, no statistics update.
Bottomline: Yeah, it sponsored many wars and accounts.
About hitlist of messina, no it was not a hitlist bug, it was money coming from blackjacks, almost all owners lost their blackjack in that night, and the guy who did it made it made hitlisting in a fair way because he wanted those brugs dead. Was it another bj bug? maybe yes maybe no,
- btw i dont know who bought those guys? is it messina who found over 1 b in one night? if someone knows it, update me pls.
Final remark to admins if any reading, messina has a money bug as well, its different from hitlist bug, its on poker, check arcanine or drimacus poker logs, and you gonna beat them as well.
Anonymous (17:20:20 - 18-01)
of course they shared their scumbag tricks with pact buddies. probably these bugs and a shitload of others. worst thing is, most people already knew these fams havent been playing honest. LOSERS!
Anonymous at 17:07:50 on 18/01:
Cry me a river
Prove it or it didnt happen. i didnt see anyone were akilled for blood bug
About gravano i know how you used bugs and cleaned the money by punto bancos last version
manhell at 17:03:07 on 18/01:
We had many shots like that vs righelli last night, where they just wouldnt die
Even with 3-4times 60k in like 40min max. Logs are around, one of those was Vaas ing last night he got shot i think 3 orso times in less then 45min-1h all of them 60k and he just didnt die.
Anyways seems like obviously how those fams were using it
Johnny at 16:44:51 on 18/01:
So Righelli and Lucchese people didn't get cought for health bug cheat?
I thought they were cause 1st time I saw and heard about this bug is in this article, so I thought they got cought for that + hitlist thing. And yes ofc health bug seems just game breaking, but I didn't hear for it before. I don't think that bug existed from 2.9 - 3.2 when there were really strong accounts (including yours) it had to come later. Also I wonder how did OB news got info about this bug, and is it known (with proof) who has been using it?
Smul at 16:37:42 on 18/01:
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
Johnny at 16:31:49 on 18/01:
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Smul at 16:21:51 on 18/01:
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
Johnny at 16:05:31 on 18/01:
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
So Righelli and Lucchese people didn't get cought for health bug cheat?
I thought they were cause 1st time I saw and heard about this bug is in this article, so I thought they got cought for that + hitlist thing. And yes ofc health bug seems just game breaking, but I didn't hear for it before. I don't think that bug existed from 2.9 - 3.2 when there were really strong accounts (including yours) it had to come later. Also I wonder how did OB news got info about this bug, and is it known (with proof) who has been using it?
We had many shots like that vs righelli last night, where they just wouldnt die
Even with 3-4times 60k in like 40min max. Logs are around, one of those was Vaas ing last night he got shot i think 3 orso times in less then 45min-1h all of them 60k and he just didnt die.
Anyways seems like obviously how those fams were using it
Cry me a river
Prove it or it didnt happen. i didnt see anyone were akilled for blood bug
About gravano i know how you used bugs and cleaned the money by punto bancos last version
No we did not use such bugs you are saying. Bye now.
snooopy (17:12:50 - 18-01)
Have lost all respect for lucchese, righelli + now.. You can't win without cheating?? lol idiots...
Smul at 16:56:31 on 18/01:
With the current retrain speed, nearly never you'll see BGs on obay. It's just not worth the effort.
Though Mike is 100% right there, You have a shitload of defense already from market stuff, when you get shot with 5 defense Guards, the BGs that get killed won't be the BGs with the highest amount of def (Lee) but most likely Vic and Lex or Ike.
The amount of Defense you'll lose by only being able to retrain 15 lvls instead of 20 lvls compared to your overall defense amount is pretty much neglectable.
Pritalex at 16:53:24 on 18/01:
Its also possible to buy bg's from obay
Mikee at 16:49:34 on 18/01:
lol noob, 4.5 bg's is still safe 9 out of 10 times
Anonymous at 16:44:52 on 18/01:
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Deston at 16:38:45 on 18/01:
In fact I care to argue otherwise Changa. Everyone shot at such time intervals that does not manage to survive is a bad player. There's nothing wrong with being a bad player, most people here make the silliest mistakes that get them killed or simply never bothered to learn how to play. Nevertheless I would relish the opportunity of getting shot so much at such a slow pace, and making people waste all their bullets.
Smul at 16:20:10 on 18/01:
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
Changa at 16:17:27 on 18/01:
Yeah, right.
Arcanine at 16:16:45 on 18/01:
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Changa at 16:12:41 on 18/01:
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Yeah, right.
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
With the current retrain speed, nearly never you'll see BGs on obay. It's just not worth the effort.
Though Mike is 100% right there, You have a shitload of defense already from market stuff, when you get shot with 5 defense Guards, the BGs that get killed won't be the BGs with the highest amount of def (Lee) but most likely Vic and Lex or Ike.
The amount of Defense you'll lose by only being able to retrain 15 lvls instead of 20 lvls compared to your overall defense amount is pretty much neglectable.
and those same two retrained bgs will die at the 2nd kill attempt again, regardless if they are level 10 or not ... so yeah the full def build does survive a lot if you're not headhunted by the attackers ;)
Anonymous (17:07:50 - 18-01)
manhell at 17:03:07 on 18/01:
We had many shots like that vs righelli last night, where they just wouldnt die
Even with 3-4times 60k in like 40min max. Logs are around, one of those was Vaas ing last night he got shot i think 3 orso times in less then 45min-1h all of them 60k and he just didnt die.
Anyways seems like obviously how those fams were using it
Johnny at 16:44:51 on 18/01:
So Righelli and Lucchese people didn't get cought for health bug cheat?
I thought they were cause 1st time I saw and heard about this bug is in this article, so I thought they got cought for that + hitlist thing. And yes ofc health bug seems just game breaking, but I didn't hear for it before. I don't think that bug existed from 2.9 - 3.2 when there were really strong accounts (including yours) it had to come later. Also I wonder how did OB news got info about this bug, and is it known (with proof) who has been using it?
Smul at 16:37:42 on 18/01:
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
Johnny at 16:31:49 on 18/01:
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Smul at 16:21:51 on 18/01:
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
Johnny at 16:05:31 on 18/01:
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
So Righelli and Lucchese people didn't get cought for health bug cheat?
I thought they were cause 1st time I saw and heard about this bug is in this article, so I thought they got cought for that + hitlist thing. And yes ofc health bug seems just game breaking, but I didn't hear for it before. I don't think that bug existed from 2.9 - 3.2 when there were really strong accounts (including yours) it had to come later. Also I wonder how did OB news got info about this bug, and is it known (with proof) who has been using it?
We had many shots like that vs righelli last night, where they just wouldnt die
Even with 3-4times 60k in like 40min max. Logs are around, one of those was Vaas ing last night he got shot i think 3 orso times in less then 45min-1h all of them 60k and he just didnt die.
Anyways seems like obviously how those fams were using it
Cry me a river
Prove it or it didnt happen. i didnt see anyone were akilled for blood bug
About gravano i know how you used bugs and cleaned the money by punto bancos last version
microbi (17:07:28 - 18-01)
Seen a lot and now this. Good bug - easy to use - doesn't work anymore (not at least gambling...damn it).
If I would play and knew about this, would I use it - of course! These are the one of reasons why I don't play anymore.... This game is so rotten, even the admins quit fighting against scripts so I see no problem to use all kind of illegal tricks and stuff in this game. Just part of the game, has been and always will be. Who has the best bugs, dupes and scripts will win - gl all.
ps. I saw Lance Amstrong in Paris 2002, last leg of Tour de France...damn he was fast and yellow (the jersey). He is still my hero - like Marco Pantini! Both used "stuff" other won (and got cought) and other got himself killed. You can even ask Jan Ullrich - he only used marijuana...so he only had 2 wins....
If I would play and knew about this, would I use it - of course! These are the one of reasons why I don't play anymore.... This game is so rotten, even the admins quit fighting against scripts so I see no problem to use all kind of illegal tricks and stuff in this game. Just part of the game, has been and always will be. Who has the best bugs, dupes and scripts will win - gl all.
ps. I saw Lance Amstrong in Paris 2002, last leg of Tour de France...damn he was fast and yellow (the jersey). He is still my hero - like Marco Pantini! Both used "stuff" other won (and got cought) and other got himself killed. You can even ask Jan Ullrich - he only used marijuana...so he only had 2 wins....
manhell (17:03:07 - 18-01)
Johnny at 16:44:51 on 18/01:
So Righelli and Lucchese people didn't get cought for health bug cheat?
I thought they were cause 1st time I saw and heard about this bug is in this article, so I thought they got cought for that + hitlist thing. And yes ofc health bug seems just game breaking, but I didn't hear for it before. I don't think that bug existed from 2.9 - 3.2 when there were really strong accounts (including yours) it had to come later. Also I wonder how did OB news got info about this bug, and is it known (with proof) who has been using it?
Smul at 16:37:42 on 18/01:
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
Johnny at 16:31:49 on 18/01:
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Smul at 16:21:51 on 18/01:
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
Johnny at 16:05:31 on 18/01:
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
So Righelli and Lucchese people didn't get cought for health bug cheat?
I thought they were cause 1st time I saw and heard about this bug is in this article, so I thought they got cought for that + hitlist thing. And yes ofc health bug seems just game breaking, but I didn't hear for it before. I don't think that bug existed from 2.9 - 3.2 when there were really strong accounts (including yours) it had to come later. Also I wonder how did OB news got info about this bug, and is it known (with proof) who has been using it?
We had many shots like that vs righelli last night, where they just wouldnt die
Even with 3-4times 60k in like 40min max. Logs are around, one of those was Vaas ing last night he got shot i think 3 orso times in less then 45min-1h all of them 60k and he just didnt die.
Anyways seems like obviously how those fams were using it
Anonymous (17:02:26 - 18-01)
i can safely say that the health cheat dates back to atleast 3,1 and it was possible to have way more than just 199 blood:)
@Changa
You know that we had plenty of time to retrain BGs last night, right? You were beaten fair and square, mate. Your own SH-calculations fucked you, no bug abuse.
It makes no sense to point fingers at Messina. At least not after last night.
You know that we had plenty of time to retrain BGs last night, right? You were beaten fair and square, mate. Your own SH-calculations fucked you, no bug abuse.
It makes no sense to point fingers at Messina. At least not after last night.
Anonymous (16:58:46 - 18-01)
Damn wish i knew this earlier could have made good use off it :O
Anonymous (16:57:02 - 18-01)
Pritalex at 16:53:24 on 18/01:
Its also possible to buy bg's from obay
Mikee at 16:49:34 on 18/01:
lol noob, 4.5 bg's is still safe 9 out of 10 times
Anonymous at 16:44:52 on 18/01:
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Deston at 16:38:45 on 18/01:
In fact I care to argue otherwise Changa. Everyone shot at such time intervals that does not manage to survive is a bad player. There's nothing wrong with being a bad player, most people here make the silliest mistakes that get them killed or simply never bothered to learn how to play. Nevertheless I would relish the opportunity of getting shot so much at such a slow pace, and making people waste all their bullets.
Smul at 16:20:10 on 18/01:
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
Changa at 16:17:27 on 18/01:
Yeah, right.
Arcanine at 16:16:45 on 18/01:
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Changa at 16:12:41 on 18/01:
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Yeah, right.
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Or the second killer didnt shoot enough bullets
Mikee at 16:49:34 on 18/01:
lol noob, 4.5 bg's is still safe 9 out of 10 times
Anonymous at 16:44:52 on 18/01:
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Deston at 16:38:45 on 18/01:
In fact I care to argue otherwise Changa. Everyone shot at such time intervals that does not manage to survive is a bad player. There's nothing wrong with being a bad player, most people here make the silliest mistakes that get them killed or simply never bothered to learn how to play. Nevertheless I would relish the opportunity of getting shot so much at such a slow pace, and making people waste all their bullets.
Smul at 16:20:10 on 18/01:
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
Changa at 16:17:27 on 18/01:
Yeah, right.
Arcanine at 16:16:45 on 18/01:
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Changa at 16:12:41 on 18/01:
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Yeah, right.
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Eli 11-01-2013 19:32:57 Eli failed to kill you but did some damage, you tried to hit back but did no damage to Eli
Last week I got shot by players with a (far) superior account to my own. GF vs Brug I lost 72 health, Brug (pos 4) vs Brug I lost 91 health (with approximately 4.5 def bg's.
Five defensive bodyguards was fun while it lasted, but now most fams are catching on it will be the new 'Rob' so to speak and can really lock down future versions. I hope they will address the KA before letting that happen.
Pritalex at 16:53:24 on 18/01:
Its also possible to buy bg's from obay
Mikee at 16:49:34 on 18/01:
lol noob, 4.5 bg's is still safe 9 out of 10 times
Anonymous at 16:44:52 on 18/01:
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Deston at 16:38:45 on 18/01:
In fact I care to argue otherwise Changa. Everyone shot at such time intervals that does not manage to survive is a bad player. There's nothing wrong with being a bad player, most people here make the silliest mistakes that get them killed or simply never bothered to learn how to play. Nevertheless I would relish the opportunity of getting shot so much at such a slow pace, and making people waste all their bullets.
Smul at 16:20:10 on 18/01:
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
Changa at 16:17:27 on 18/01:
Yeah, right.
Arcanine at 16:16:45 on 18/01:
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Changa at 16:12:41 on 18/01:
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Yeah, right.
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
With the current retrain speed, nearly never you'll see BGs on obay. It's just not worth the effort.
Though Mike is 100% right there, You have a shitload of defense already from market stuff, when you get shot with 5 defense Guards, the BGs that get killed won't be the BGs with the highest amount of def (Lee) but most likely Vic and Lex or Ike.
The amount of Defense you'll lose by only being able to retrain 15 lvls instead of 20 lvls compared to your overall defense amount is pretty much neglectable.
Mikee at 16:49:34 on 18/01:
lol noob, 4.5 bg's is still safe 9 out of 10 times
Anonymous at 16:44:52 on 18/01:
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Deston at 16:38:45 on 18/01:
In fact I care to argue otherwise Changa. Everyone shot at such time intervals that does not manage to survive is a bad player. There's nothing wrong with being a bad player, most people here make the silliest mistakes that get them killed or simply never bothered to learn how to play. Nevertheless I would relish the opportunity of getting shot so much at such a slow pace, and making people waste all their bullets.
Smul at 16:20:10 on 18/01:
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
Changa at 16:17:27 on 18/01:
Yeah, right.
Arcanine at 16:16:45 on 18/01:
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Changa at 16:12:41 on 18/01:
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Yeah, right.
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Johnny at 16:44:51 on 18/01:
So Righelli and Lucchese people didn't get cought for health bug cheat?
I thought they were cause 1st time I saw and heard about this bug is in this article, so I thought they got cought for that + hitlist thing. And yes ofc health bug seems just game breaking, but I didn't hear for it before. I don't think that bug existed from 2.9 - 3.2 when there were really strong accounts (including yours) it had to come later. Also I wonder how did OB news got info about this bug, and is it known (with proof) who has been using it?
Smul at 16:37:42 on 18/01:
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
Johnny at 16:31:49 on 18/01:
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Smul at 16:21:51 on 18/01:
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
Johnny at 16:05:31 on 18/01:
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
So Righelli and Lucchese people didn't get cought for health bug cheat?
I thought they were cause 1st time I saw and heard about this bug is in this article, so I thought they got cought for that + hitlist thing. And yes ofc health bug seems just game breaking, but I didn't hear for it before. I don't think that bug existed from 2.9 - 3.2 when there were really strong accounts (including yours) it had to come later. Also I wonder how did OB news got info about this bug, and is it known (with proof) who has been using it?
If you check the Omerta ingame Article. They are caught for "moneylaundry" aka the Hitlist bug. (you can check the article if you don't have an ingame account by going to this link: Click me!)
The proof comes from abusers themselves, kinda like Tyler Hamilton.
And no, I haven't tested it out, as I don't wanna be Akilled when that spree comes. :')
Anonymous at 16:44:52 on 18/01:
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Deston at 16:38:45 on 18/01:
In fact I care to argue otherwise Changa. Everyone shot at such time intervals that does not manage to survive is a bad player. There's nothing wrong with being a bad player, most people here make the silliest mistakes that get them killed or simply never bothered to learn how to play. Nevertheless I would relish the opportunity of getting shot so much at such a slow pace, and making people waste all their bullets.
Smul at 16:20:10 on 18/01:
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
Changa at 16:17:27 on 18/01:
Yeah, right.
Arcanine at 16:16:45 on 18/01:
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Changa at 16:12:41 on 18/01:
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Yeah, right.
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Anonymous at 16:43:14 on 18/01:
Well, teh hitlist cheat has very concrete effect on the game as well.
More money -> more bullets -> stronger accounts
And retraining guards is also not for free. So I consider the hitlist bug to be more severe.
Smul at 16:37:42 on 18/01:
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
Johnny at 16:31:49 on 18/01:
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Smul at 16:21:51 on 18/01:
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
Johnny at 16:05:31 on 18/01:
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
Well, teh hitlist cheat has very concrete effect on the game as well.
More money -> more bullets -> stronger accounts
And retraining guards is also not for free. So I consider the hitlist bug to be more severe.
I never tried to make the hitlist cheat seem little. It's more that the health bug has a more direct and instantly visible effect.
The hitlist bug is rather subtile, as only a few people noticed the jumps in money (jumps for no reason, no slot JPs dropped, no Lottery, no raidspot pay outs, no big pokergamblers at the time etc.). It doesn't directly affect the "victim" of the bug when the bug takes effect.
Anonymous at 16:44:52 on 18/01:
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
Deston at 16:38:45 on 18/01:
In fact I care to argue otherwise Changa. Everyone shot at such time intervals that does not manage to survive is a bad player. There's nothing wrong with being a bad player, most people here make the silliest mistakes that get them killed or simply never bothered to learn how to play. Nevertheless I would relish the opportunity of getting shot so much at such a slow pace, and making people waste all their bullets.
Smul at 16:20:10 on 18/01:
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
Changa at 16:17:27 on 18/01:
Yeah, right.
Arcanine at 16:16:45 on 18/01:
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Changa at 16:12:41 on 18/01:
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Check Furyan ingame, was that possible?
Look at the times he got shot...
It's perfectly possible if you train defensive.
People who get shot 3x 60k within 20 mins or so would be suspicious
Yeah, right.
I have to agree with Arcanine here, the gaps are constantly 30 mins or more, and never more than 2 shots every 45 mins (bloodbuying). It's very well possible to survive like this in this KA if you have full def BG setup.
In full def bg setup two bgs get killed, right? How does one retrain two bodyguard fully to def setup within just 15 minutes? There really isn't much more time between 20:57:25 and 21:12:48?
(It may well be the case that the attackers totally faild, as Furyan claims - not guilty until proven otherwise)
i think we can sure put questions marks here.. we can do that everyone imo, we dont know who and how many times they abused this to survive.
Have lost all respect for lucchese, righelli + now.. You can't win without cheating?? lol idiots...
don't be ignorant, every family bugged, ppl get bug money everyday.
Poker/punto/BJ are used for laundrying money from dupe accounts to ppl's main accounts. The dupe is given some bullets, he bugs via hitlist (gets 100 mil) goes to punto/BJ which is owned by his real account (or a friend) / a game of poker, opens it with a password, main acc joins the game, dupe folds, done.
past few versions, entire omerta was a scam. not only on .com, but .nl, .dm etc etc.