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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Deston (21:40:34 - 11-09)
sbanks (21:39:00 - 11-09)
its all random, people with the same BG setup can die in the BF of some boon, and the other with the same stats can survive..
barafranca is all about "random"
u can be #1 but die at ur first shot in the BF of number 1245252532
being proud on some random fact what was given to you by luck is simply plain retarted.
barafranca is all about "random"
u can be #1 but die at ur first shot in the BF of number 1245252532
being proud on some random fact what was given to you by luck is simply plain retarted.
Redspeert (21:35:51 - 11-09)
My dear vetto, what you did was nice, but it was nothing special. What you did, is done each version more or less. A few versions Konein (think it was him) killed 2/3 GF/FL's and 5/6 brugs from Xzone/memento/samagono.
In 2.9 Jans killed 9 brugs/brugs+ from marazzino in one night
In 3.0 Smul had a hell of an account, idk if he had any kill spree's, but he had way over 50 brug/brug+ accounts on his kill list during the end of the version.
3.1 at .NL I had 10 GF/FL/CD (only don's could be CD allready then ) and around 35 brug kills, and the version was over after 3.5 month.
etc etc...
So nice shooting, but get your feet on the ground, you aren't the hero you think you are, even if ..killing influente accounts is something I would like to see happen more.
In 2.9 Jans killed 9 brugs/brugs+ from marazzino in one night
In 3.0 Smul had a hell of an account, idk if he had any kill spree's, but he had way over 50 brug/brug+ accounts on his kill list during the end of the version.
3.1 at .NL I had 10 GF/FL/CD (only don's could be CD allready then ) and around 35 brug kills, and the version was over after 3.5 month.
etc etc...
So nice shooting, but get your feet on the ground, you aren't the hero you think you are, even if ..killing influente accounts is something I would like to see happen more.
Boleone (21:33:25 - 11-09)
Pepino, Burebista, Satyr, some others, I can't remember well... But great accs in that version :)
Anonymous (21:28:12 - 11-09)
Vetto at 17:10:56 on 11/09:
Go adding:
- No access to casinos money.
- No access to bullets from bullets factories.
- No money from fambank.
- I just took 190 k money from our small fam bank, since beggining.
I donate more money than this amount to fambank.
- We have no bloods.
- Capodecina acc reached #2 playing in the losing side; check fams I have passed, and I really thanks them (Interficio [twice], Elegante, Barese, Organizatsya, Valente).
- Capodecina acc was single target! Lot of tops/brugs hiring on only 1 acc.
- Bought spot, alone, and spot passed 8 days with no succ, no +local chiefs in.
- Influente was #2 (full, full of bullets) and had a nice brugs crew to shoot.
- They called other fam to help them on it, Turkuz,... 8-)
- Overeem was top 20 acc, Wai I guess was too, not sure, they shoot Vetto acc.
- We are commenting about a capodecina acc, not godfather or firstlady one.
My "hugger acc" killed more in bf than some fams did in wars.
Being an hugger as you written killed more brugs than being shooter, dons and tops.
So, use your calculator and brain, and check probabilities to survive, get don position and make success on these kills (2 GFs and 3 brugs), when KA is friendly with not all bgs full trained.
Have you seen any capodecina account killing in backfire, like this one, in 1 war, in all versions?
Only chance I had to try making a top acc was surviving.
Survival is an art!
Mainly when your acc is on lost side.
To kill is not an art, but, 2 GFs and 3 brugs couldnt make it,....
Sixth shooter, don of a fam, killed Vetto acc, but, Vetto acc was 40% health, not full bgs trained and almost dead in backfire too (2 bgs of don acc were killed).
This show is offered to Interficio, Elegante and Pussycat crews and my friends in many families in the game. \\o//
You rock, guys!
My last post was to whiners and cry-babies about KA and BF.
Before criticizing, take a look on View History of Vetto Capodecina acc, being brug since first fam and into troubles since beggining.
Sorry for that, but, you really dont know how to play this game.
So, 3 alternatives to you:
a) Envy me.
b) Try do best than this. :)
c) All alternatives above. :p
Assigned: Vetto, best BF killer in all versions and legend of 3.5. :p
PS: Being humble enough, I guess,.... :D
I am kidding. People really knows me and I play it fairly, since 2.3. All players will be dead in reset.
Just a game, no real prizes and, you know, classes have started. *-)
Smul at 15:29:08 on 11/09:
Don't get too cocky now Vetto. This was your first account of the version, and you didn't do jackshit before this war. So of course you make a decent amount of BF kills, especially the last 2 brugs you killed, they were just used as suicide brugs.
Credits where credits are due and you deserve some. But don't act like you invented the wheel. If you had done more in this version than just these backfire kills than it would have been impressive, instead you hugged your way through the version.
Modesty is a virtue.
Don't get too cocky now Vetto. This was your first account of the version, and you didn't do jackshit before this war. So of course you make a decent amount of BF kills, especially the last 2 brugs you killed, they were just used as suicide brugs.
Credits where credits are due and you deserve some. But don't act like you invented the wheel. If you had done more in this version than just these backfire kills than it would have been impressive, instead you hugged your way through the version.
Modesty is a virtue.
Go adding:
- No access to casinos money.
- No access to bullets from bullets factories.
- No money from fambank.
- I just took 190 k money from our small fam bank, since beggining.
I donate more money than this amount to fambank.
- We have no bloods.
- Capodecina acc reached #2 playing in the losing side; check fams I have passed, and I really thanks them (Interficio [twice], Elegante, Barese, Organizatsya, Valente).
- Capodecina acc was single target! Lot of tops/brugs hiring on only 1 acc.
- Bought spot, alone, and spot passed 8 days with no succ, no +local chiefs in.
- Influente was #2 (full, full of bullets) and had a nice brugs crew to shoot.
- They called other fam to help them on it, Turkuz,... 8-)
- Overeem was top 20 acc, Wai I guess was too, not sure, they shoot Vetto acc.
- We are commenting about a capodecina acc, not godfather or firstlady one.
My "hugger acc" killed more in bf than some fams did in wars.
Being an hugger as you written killed more brugs than being shooter, dons and tops.
So, use your calculator and brain, and check probabilities to survive, get don position and make success on these kills (2 GFs and 3 brugs), when KA is friendly with not all bgs full trained.
Have you seen any capodecina account killing in backfire, like this one, in 1 war, in all versions?
Only chance I had to try making a top acc was surviving.
Survival is an art!
Mainly when your acc is on lost side.
To kill is not an art, but, 2 GFs and 3 brugs couldnt make it,....
Sixth shooter, don of a fam, killed Vetto acc, but, Vetto acc was 40% health, not full bgs trained and almost dead in backfire too (2 bgs of don acc were killed).
This show is offered to Interficio, Elegante and Pussycat crews and my friends in many families in the game. \\o//
You rock, guys!
My last post was to whiners and cry-babies about KA and BF.
Before criticizing, take a look on View History of Vetto Capodecina acc, being brug since first fam and into troubles since beggining.
Sorry for that, but, you really dont know how to play this game.
So, 3 alternatives to you:
a) Envy me.
b) Try do best than this. :)
c) All alternatives above. :p
Assigned: Vetto, best BF killer in all versions and legend of 3.5. :p
PS: Being humble enough, I guess,.... :D
I am kidding. People really knows me and I play it fairly, since 2.3. All players will be dead in reset.
Just a game, no real prizes and, you know, classes have started. *-)
MOTHER OF GOD
Smul just show the print scream of your 3.0 aacount :DDD
Redspeert (21:18:14 - 11-09)
Vetto at 17:10:56 on 11/09:
Go adding:
- No access to casinos money.
- No access to bullets from bullets factories.
- No money from fambank.
- I just took 190 k money from our small fam bank, since beggining.
I donate more money than this amount to fambank.
- We have no bloods.
- Capodecina acc reached #2 playing in the losing side; check fams I have passed, and I really thanks them (Interficio [twice], Elegante, Barese, Organizatsya, Valente).
- Capodecina acc was single target! Lot of tops/brugs hiring on only 1 acc.
- Bought spot, alone, and spot passed 8 days with no succ, no +local chiefs in.
- Influente was #2 (full, full of bullets) and had a nice brugs crew to shoot.
- They called other fam to help them on it, Turkuz,... 8-)
- Overeem was top 20 acc, Wai I guess was too, not sure, they shoot Vetto acc.
- We are commenting about a capodecina acc, not godfather or firstlady one.
My "hugger acc" killed more in bf than some fams did in wars.
Being an hugger as you written killed more brugs than being shooter, dons and tops.
So, use your calculator and brain, and check probabilities to survive, get don position and make success on these kills (2 GFs and 3 brugs), when KA is friendly with not all bgs full trained.
Have you seen any capodecina account killing in backfire, like this one, in 1 war, in all versions?
Only chance I had to try making a top acc was surviving.
Survival is an art!
Mainly when your acc is on lost side.
To kill is not an art, but, 2 GFs and 3 brugs couldnt make it,....
Sixth shooter, don of a fam, killed Vetto acc, but, Vetto acc was 40% health, not full bgs trained and almost dead in backfire too (2 bgs of don acc were killed).
This show is offered to Interficio, Elegante and Pussycat crews and my friends in many families in the game. \\o//
You rock, guys!
My last post was to whiners and cry-babies about KA and BF.
Before criticizing, take a look on View History of Vetto Capodecina acc, being brug since first fam and into troubles since beggining.
Sorry for that, but, you really dont know how to play this game.
So, 3 alternatives to you:
a) Envy me.
b) Try do best than this. :)
c) All alternatives above. :p
Assigned: Vetto, best BF killer in all versions and legend of 3.5. :p
PS: Being humble enough, I guess,.... :D
I am kidding. People really knows me and I play it fairly, since 2.3. All players will be dead in reset.
Just a game, no real prizes and, you know, classes have started. *-)
Smul at 15:29:08 on 11/09:
Don't get too cocky now Vetto. This was your first account of the version, and you didn't do jackshit before this war. So of course you make a decent amount of BF kills, especially the last 2 brugs you killed, they were just used as suicide brugs.
Credits where credits are due and you deserve some. But don't act like you invented the wheel. If you had done more in this version than just these backfire kills than it would have been impressive, instead you hugged your way through the version.
Modesty is a virtue.
Don't get too cocky now Vetto. This was your first account of the version, and you didn't do jackshit before this war. So of course you make a decent amount of BF kills, especially the last 2 brugs you killed, they were just used as suicide brugs.
Credits where credits are due and you deserve some. But don't act like you invented the wheel. If you had done more in this version than just these backfire kills than it would have been impressive, instead you hugged your way through the version.
Modesty is a virtue.
Go adding:
- No access to casinos money.
- No access to bullets from bullets factories.
- No money from fambank.
- I just took 190 k money from our small fam bank, since beggining.
I donate more money than this amount to fambank.
- We have no bloods.
- Capodecina acc reached #2 playing in the losing side; check fams I have passed, and I really thanks them (Interficio [twice], Elegante, Barese, Organizatsya, Valente).
- Capodecina acc was single target! Lot of tops/brugs hiring on only 1 acc.
- Bought spot, alone, and spot passed 8 days with no succ, no +local chiefs in.
- Influente was #2 (full, full of bullets) and had a nice brugs crew to shoot.
- They called other fam to help them on it, Turkuz,... 8-)
- Overeem was top 20 acc, Wai I guess was too, not sure, they shoot Vetto acc.
- We are commenting about a capodecina acc, not godfather or firstlady one.
My "hugger acc" killed more in bf than some fams did in wars.
Being an hugger as you written killed more brugs than being shooter, dons and tops.
So, use your calculator and brain, and check probabilities to survive, get don position and make success on these kills (2 GFs and 3 brugs), when KA is friendly with not all bgs full trained.
Have you seen any capodecina account killing in backfire, like this one, in 1 war, in all versions?
Only chance I had to try making a top acc was surviving.
Survival is an art!
Mainly when your acc is on lost side.
To kill is not an art, but, 2 GFs and 3 brugs couldnt make it,....
Sixth shooter, don of a fam, killed Vetto acc, but, Vetto acc was 40% health, not full bgs trained and almost dead in backfire too (2 bgs of don acc were killed).
This show is offered to Interficio, Elegante and Pussycat crews and my friends in many families in the game. \\o//
You rock, guys!
My last post was to whiners and cry-babies about KA and BF.
Before criticizing, take a look on View History of Vetto Capodecina acc, being brug since first fam and into troubles since beggining.
Sorry for that, but, you really dont know how to play this game.
So, 3 alternatives to you:
a) Envy me.
b) Try do best than this. :)
c) All alternatives above. :p
Assigned: Vetto, best BF killer in all versions and legend of 3.5. :p
PS: Being humble enough, I guess,.... :D
I am kidding. People really knows me and I play it fairly, since 2.3. All players will be dead in reset.
Just a game, no real prizes and, you know, classes have started. *-)
Whatever you do, you never, never go full retard.
Vetto (19:36:12 - 11-09)
iYattara at 17:43:34 on 11/09:
@Vetto
u are my hero.
and dont forget, how much i paid u leave money xD
@Vetto
u are my hero.
and dont forget, how much i paid u leave money xD
Yes, I remember it.
I prefer all of them in fam, but, I know how it would work.
Three millions for 3 players: Venetain (kicked after asked to it) and others 2 Local Chiefs (Psikoo and Reisalomaoo) didnt ask to be kicked.
I didnt set them as successors.
So these accounts still alive. *-)
Vetto (17:18:44 - 11-09)
Boleone at 15:42:29 on 11/09:
Vetto invented the wheel ! \o/ Vetto :)
imo, it all comes to bodyguard setup in the end... 1 secured BF = your death. But if you go to defense a little bit more as Vetto did, you can have a nice run in just a few hours :)
Vetto invented the wheel ! \o/ Vetto :)
imo, it all comes to bodyguard setup in the end... 1 secured BF = your death. But if you go to defense a little bit more as Vetto did, you can have a nice run in just a few hours :)
\\o//
Wheel's patent is mine. :)
Killing tops players and brugs in backfire was a show to my friends, families I have passed and to all viewers.
Best bf killer of all the time.
lol
Take care, bro.
PS: I miss that Pope's image: Go away, noobs!
:D
Vetto (17:10:56 - 11-09)
Smul at 15:29:08 on 11/09:
Don't get too cocky now Vetto. This was your first account of the version, and you didn't do jackshit before this war. So of course you make a decent amount of BF kills, especially the last 2 brugs you killed, they were just used as suicide brugs.
Credits where credits are due and you deserve some. But don't act like you invented the wheel. If you had done more in this version than just these backfire kills than it would have been impressive, instead you hugged your way through the version.
Modesty is a virtue.
Don't get too cocky now Vetto. This was your first account of the version, and you didn't do jackshit before this war. So of course you make a decent amount of BF kills, especially the last 2 brugs you killed, they were just used as suicide brugs.
Credits where credits are due and you deserve some. But don't act like you invented the wheel. If you had done more in this version than just these backfire kills than it would have been impressive, instead you hugged your way through the version.
Modesty is a virtue.
Go adding:
- No access to casinos money.
- No access to bullets from bullets factories.
- No money from fambank.
- I just took 190 k money from our small fam bank, since beggining.
I donate more money than this amount to fambank.
- We have no bloods.
- Capodecina acc reached #2 playing in the losing side; check fams I have passed, and I really thanks them (Interficio [twice], Elegante, Barese, Organizatsya, Valente).
- Capodecina acc was single target! Lot of tops/brugs hiring on only 1 acc.
- Bought spot, alone, and spot passed 8 days with no succ, no +local chiefs in.
- Influente was #2 (full, full of bullets) and had a nice brugs crew to shoot.
- They called other fam to help them on it, Turkuz,... 8-)
- Overeem was top 20 acc, Wai I guess was too, not sure, they shoot Vetto acc.
- We are commenting about a capodecina acc, not godfather or firstlady one.
My "hugger acc" killed more in bf than some fams did in wars.
Being an hugger as you written killed more brugs than being shooter, dons and tops.
So, use your calculator and brain, and check probabilities to survive, get don position and make success on these kills (2 GFs and 3 brugs), when KA is friendly with not all bgs full trained.
Have you seen any capodecina account killing in backfire, like this one, in 1 war, in all versions?
Only chance I had to try making a top acc was surviving.
Survival is an art!
Mainly when your acc is on lost side.
To kill is not an art, but, 2 GFs and 3 brugs couldnt make it,....
Sixth shooter, don of a fam, killed Vetto acc, but, Vetto acc was 40% health, not full bgs trained and almost dead in backfire too (2 bgs of don acc were killed).
This show is offered to Interficio, Elegante and Pussycat crews and my friends in many families in the game. \\o//
You rock, guys!
My last post was to whiners and cry-babies about KA and BF.
Before criticizing, take a look on View History of Vetto Capodecina acc, being brug since first fam and into troubles since beggining.
Sorry for that, but, you really dont know how to play this game.
So, 3 alternatives to you:
a) Envy me.
b) Try do best than this. :)
c) All alternatives above. :p
Assigned: Vetto, best BF killer in all versions and legend of 3.5. :p
PS: Being humble enough, I guess,.... :D
I am kidding. People really knows me and I play it fairly, since 2.3. All players will be dead in reset.
Just a game, no real prizes and, you know, classes have started. *-)
Anonymous (17:08:34 - 11-09)
I kinda like want to set the example and make a non-blood family, shoot together with another family out of common interest now and then sure why not but I'd like to solo instead of pacting.
The only problem is, I'm probably going to get bitchslapped by a whole bunch.. I'm sure a lot of other people encounter the same problem
The only problem is, I'm probably going to get bitchslapped by a whole bunch.. I'm sure a lot of other people encounter the same problem
Anonymous (15:53:57 - 11-09)
who is this vetto and why does he think he can give anyone lessons? rofl noobs everywhere
Boleone (15:42:29 - 11-09)
Vetto invented the wheel ! \o/ Vetto :)
imo, it all comes to bodyguard setup in the end... 1 secured BF = your death. But if you go to defense a little bit more as Vetto did, you can have a nice run in just a few hours :)
imo, it all comes to bodyguard setup in the end... 1 secured BF = your death. But if you go to defense a little bit more as Vetto did, you can have a nice run in just a few hours :)
Smul (15:29:08 - 11-09)
Don't get too cocky now Vetto. This was your first account of the version, and you didn't do jackshit before this war. So of course you make a decent amount of BF kills, especially the last 2 brugs you killed, they were just used as suicide brugs.
Credits where credits are due and you deserve some. But don't act like you invented the wheel. If you had done more in this version than just these backfire kills than it would have been impressive, instead you hugged your way through the version.
Modesty is a virtue.
Credits where credits are due and you deserve some. But don't act like you invented the wheel. If you had done more in this version than just these backfire kills than it would have been impressive, instead you hugged your way through the version.
Modesty is a virtue.
Vetto (15:15:48 - 11-09)
Hi readers.
Lessons have started.
Players are complaining about KA ("KA sucks") and backfire ("bf is a bitch"), because they really dont know how to play the game. Include old players have done begginner's mistakes.
KA is totally friendly to attackers.
The proof of this is on rip foruns and wars done in this version (check Articles in Omerta Beyond).
Many fams, with dozens of brugliones, downed with only 1 to 3 bf kills.
Dont blame admins, their job is nice.
Just a message to whinners, yes, the big cry-babies:
"Go away, noobs!"
Myrddin (14:30:24 - 11-09)
Aart at 13:10:45 on 11/09:
just to drop a ball here, i'm reading alot of complaints that this version (and last couple of versions) were boring and that the devs should apply some in game changes to make it better again...
To be fair, isn't it our own fault that the versions are over so quick en get 'boring' each time? after all, we keep resetting, ranking up very fast, one of the familliar 'blood pacts' (read: turks, the pact or whatever you like to call it, no finger pointing now please..) shoots first - dependable on the KA and ammount of players, one side wins and then the version is as we like to call it locked.
It's unfair to blame this on the devs or KA.
My point is, how could we tackle this? In my opinion it's mainly the matter of power over the other bloodpacts in the beginning of the vers, and once that is done, ah, screw it, we'll wait 2 months for a reset then.
what if the devs would announce a reset date BEFORE the version starts? families will be less wreckless to shoot, wars will become smaller once more, and the biggest problem - this normally so important starting sprint - won't become so important anymore (because smart and tactical families will plan towards the end of the vers). This 'new idea' would move the big bang wars from the start of the new version, towards the end.
6months versions for example, and if needed an extension, for that we can use Votd. Call me in
I'm interested in other players ideas about this. so if you have something, please respond.
just to drop a ball here, i'm reading alot of complaints that this version (and last couple of versions) were boring and that the devs should apply some in game changes to make it better again...
To be fair, isn't it our own fault that the versions are over so quick en get 'boring' each time? after all, we keep resetting, ranking up very fast, one of the familliar 'blood pacts' (read: turks, the pact or whatever you like to call it, no finger pointing now please..) shoots first - dependable on the KA and ammount of players, one side wins and then the version is as we like to call it locked.
It's unfair to blame this on the devs or KA.
My point is, how could we tackle this? In my opinion it's mainly the matter of power over the other bloodpacts in the beginning of the vers, and once that is done, ah, screw it, we'll wait 2 months for a reset then.
what if the devs would announce a reset date BEFORE the version starts? families will be less wreckless to shoot, wars will become smaller once more, and the biggest problem - this normally so important starting sprint - won't become so important anymore (because smart and tactical families will plan towards the end of the vers). This 'new idea' would move the big bang wars from the start of the new version, towards the end.
6months versions for example, and if needed an extension, for that we can use Votd. Call me in
I'm interested in other players ideas about this. so if you have something, please respond.
Don't get too cocky now Vetto. This was your first account of the version, and you didn't do jackshit before this war. So of course you make a decent amount of BF kills, especially the last 2 brugs you killed, they were just used as suicide brugs.
Credits where credits are due and you deserve some. But don't act like you invented the wheel. If you had done more in this version than just these backfire kills than it would have been impressive, instead you hugged your way through the version.
Modesty is a virtue.
Go adding:
- No access to casinos money.
- No access to bullets from bullets factories.
- No money from fambank.
- I just took 190 k money from our small fam bank, since beggining.
I donate more money than this amount to fambank.
- We have no bloods.
- Capodecina acc reached #2 playing in the losing side; check fams I have passed, and I really thanks them (Interficio [twice], Elegante, Barese, Organizatsya, Valente).
- Capodecina acc was single target! Lot of tops/brugs hiring on only 1 acc.
- Bought spot, alone, and spot passed 8 days with no succ, no +local chiefs in.
- Influente was #2 (full, full of bullets) and had a nice brugs crew to shoot.
- They called other fam to help them on it, Turkuz,... 8-)
- Overeem was top 20 acc, Wai I guess was too, not sure, they shoot Vetto acc.
- We are commenting about a capodecina acc, not godfather or firstlady one.
My "hugger acc" killed more in bf than some fams did in wars.
Being an hugger as you written killed more brugs than being shooter, dons and tops.
So, use your calculator and brain, and check probabilities to survive, get don position and make success on these kills (2 GFs and 3 brugs), when KA is friendly with not all bgs full trained.
Have you seen any capodecina account killing in backfire, like this one, in 1 war, in all versions?
Only chance I had to try making a top acc was surviving.
Survival is an art!
Mainly when your acc is on lost side.
To kill is not an art, but, 2 GFs and 3 brugs couldnt make it,....
Sixth shooter, don of a fam, killed Vetto acc, but, Vetto acc was 40% health, not full bgs trained and almost dead in backfire too (2 bgs of don acc were killed).
This show is offered to Interficio, Elegante and Pussycat crews and my friends in many families in the game. \\o//
You rock, guys!
My last post was to whiners and cry-babies about KA and BF.
Before criticizing, take a look on View History of Vetto Capodecina acc, being brug since first fam and into troubles since beggining.
Sorry for that, but, you really dont know how to play this game.
So, 3 alternatives to you:
a) Envy me.
b) Try do best than this. :)
c) All alternatives above. :p
Assigned: Vetto, best BF killer in all versions and legend of 3.5. :p
PS: Being humble enough, I guess,.... :D
I am kidding. People really knows me and I play it fairly, since 2.3. All players will be dead in reset.
Just a game, no real prizes and, you know, classes have started. *-)
Whatever you do, you never, never go full retard.
@Vetto, This is nothing personal. I don't even know you, but it always rubs me the wrong way that people flunk into achieving "something" when a version drags on longer than it should have, and pretend like they did something for it. Heck... My rebirth account just passed my highest rank progress since 3.2 but it's meaningless in comparison. At least on my main account I put time and effort in and it's not just making sure my lackeys have enough credits...
edit. similarly redspeerts .nl 'accomplisment' is meaningless because .nl is shit (K)