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04-04 Poker abuse
Author: Rix
Last updated: 2701d 13h 15m 58s ago by sbanks
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Within a few minutes, this afternoon some members from Vaffanculo received an akill for poker abuse and the poker page got closed. Now seems to be a golden age for object owners, but even they must wonder: what was this bug abuse all about?

Apparently, it works as followed: you and your dupe/partner in crime play a hell lot of poker games, so long until you both have exactly the same five cards. When you both have that, you both raise as much money as possible. The game ends, and you both have won because you have the same cards: a split pot. Apparently this is were the bug was; instead of normally refunding the money to both accounts, the money actually got doubled. For instance, if you both went all in with 100mil, you both received 50mil extra (+100mil, but splitted).

The chance of this happening, though, is very small. We have been told that the abusers played over 900 games before this happened.
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Danny Tuvalu (22:00:19 - 07-04)
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and what about the people who transfer money through poker using dupes? That is also poker abuse and was a lot more commonly used.
Rix Netherlands (12:00:58 - 06-04)
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Omerta Judging by the report we saw of how the poker bug worked, it looks easy enough to fix. We hope we can confirm this soon...
I wonder where they got that from... xD
Anonymous (18:58:08 - 05-04)
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A bit odd how you can say a whole fam exist of not very bright people LL, is there any page where i can find all the info about their educations? :):D Or are you the one with a doctors degree looking down on others :(
Rix Netherlands (18:11:31 - 05-04)
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Anonymous at 18:01:32 on 05/04:
Josephc at 15:19:13 on 05/04:
To give you a general idea of how often this would actually occur, me and some poker friends put together the numbers on having identically ranked hands. We've found including draws to the same hand is nearly impossible to figure out from so many variables, but this should give you an idea:

A tie cannot occur with one hand being quads, a full house or trips.

both hands qq, board 3x aces is both a full house, recalculate again ?
We're talking about ingame poker, that's what this whole topic is about. That game is called 5 card draw, not Texas hold 'em.
Anonymous (18:01:32 - 05-04)
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Josephc at 15:19:13 on 05/04:
To give you a general idea of how often this would actually occur, me and some poker friends put together the numbers on having identically ranked hands. We've found including draws to the same hand is nearly impossible to figure out from so many variables, but this should give you an idea:

A tie cannot occur with one hand being quads, a full house or trips.

both hands qq, board 3x aces is both a full house, recalculate again ?
Rix Netherlands (15:38:49 - 05-04)
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Thank you sincerely for your post and hard work, Josephc. I've been talking with some others, tried some small calculations and read into a lot of theory, but I myself couldn't get to it, so tank you.
I see you used some of the probabilities from the Wikipedia link I posted here earlier btw xD
Josephc United States (15:19:13 - 05-04)
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To give you a general idea of how often this would actually occur, me and some poker friends put together the numbers on having identically ranked hands. We've found including draws to the same hand is nearly impossible to figure out from so many variables, but this should give you an idea:

A tie cannot occur with one hand being quads, a full house or trips.

Flushes incl. straight flushes: 5148/C(52,5) x 3/C(47,5) = 5148x3 / [C(52,5)C(47,5)].

Straights: one can have a straight that has every suit represented, three suits or just two suits ( but not one, for then it is a straight flush); we want to know this since it's easier to count all possible tying straights, including straight flushes and subtract the straight flushes. Out of each 1020 combinations of specific straights, there are 4x5x3+4x10x3 = 180 with two suits, 4x10x3x2+6x10x3x2 = 600 with three suits and 4x10x3x2 = 240 with all four suits: since there are ten different straights, and since there are 35=243 combinations of straights incl. straight flushes with the same ranks, the probability of tying straights is 10x(240x243+600x242+180x241) / [C(52,5)C(47,5)].

Two pairs: 123552x3 / [C(52,5)C(47,5)].

One pair: 13x84480x(3x3x3) / [C(52,5)C(47,5)].

Nothing: using the same idea for straights above, for each of the C(13,5)-10 = 1277 combinations of ranks, the probability in this case is 1277x(240x243+600x242+180x241) / [C(52,5)C(47,5)]. This is essentially the same hand-type as for straights, so together with straights, the probability is just 1287x246900 / [C(52,5)C(47,5)]; so, one does essentially have four hand types.

Adding the probabilities above, We got about 0.000087240971728 or about 11461.50414 to 1 against.
Captain (08:47:06 - 05-04)
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they should have waited official bugs. which u could use by buying credits via dc codes to use. :)
Anonymous (21:41:44 - 04-04)
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LL at 17:26:21 on 04/04:
But if Vaffanculo members (who are not the brightest people you'll ever meet)


LOL look whois talking, you old midget!
Redspeert Syrian Arab Republic (19:41:09 - 04-04)
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JTR at 16:27:19 on 04/04:
It's admins mistake, and admins mistake only. They were aware of this problem, since I pointed it out a little less than a year ago. So if they decide not to fix it, then it must mean it's part of the game.

So imo it's lame to akill those players....


Nah, they have done the same shit before. Me and Serpentons used the "RP BUG" at .NL last vers, one was offline in his Panicroom, and the other shot 10k bullets at him and gained rp etc. Wich they were aware of also, since its a flaw in the game system. You gained RP for shooting, as you should then, but didnt loose bullets, and we got tossed around for that.
LL Aruba Patron (17:26:21 - 04-04)
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A severe punish should have been better imo, since admins were more or less aware of what was going on way before these accounts were old enough to poker. That doesn't mean the bug should be used though. But if Vaffanculo members (who are not the brightest people you'll ever meet) know about it, do they really think it's only them?

And instead of taking the money and purchased goods away from them, plus a nice punish to slap them on the wrists for being naughty, they throw them down the well and let someone else have their millions. This is just as odd as that time they decided to reward people for clicking kredu's link. Cause everyone that clicks a link spread by him must have just been really curious and had no idea what was going on.

(13:40:18) (LL|off) You killed this poor cheating/racist bastard with a tomato! He had $ 3,610,805 left in his pocket, which is yours now

Just wait until poker is back up, I heard this awesome trick and I'll make this 3.6 into 360 million.
Legolas Russian Federation (17:12:25 - 04-04)
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Lies Maid rocks.


And they should fix bug instead akilling people.
:S
Superlame.
iamsure (16:58:15 - 04-04)
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many fams abuse poker not only vaffa
i am sure of these anyway admins is assholes
JTR Denmark (16:27:19 - 04-04)
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It's admins mistake, and admins mistake only. They were aware of this problem, since I pointed it out a little less than a year ago. So if they decide not to fix it, then it must mean it's part of the game.

So imo it's lame to akill those players....
Rix Netherlands (16:19:45 - 04-04)
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Anonymous at 16:14:15 on 04/04:
Rix at 15:01:58 on 04/04:
Trivial fact: Vaffan lost 4150 bullets when their bf owner got akilled.

4150 which the BF had, or 4150 which the account had?
Which the bf had.
Anonymous (16:14:15 - 04-04)
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Rix at 15:01:58 on 04/04:
Trivial fact: Vaffan lost 4150 bullets when their bf owner got akilled.

4150 which the BF had, or 4150 which the account had?
Rix Netherlands (15:38:46 - 04-04)
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Interesting read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability

Doesn't give me the answer I was looking for though.
Rix Netherlands (15:01:58 - 04-04)
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Trivial fact: Vaffan lost 4150 bullets when their bf owner got akilled.
Vincej Netherlands (14:57:59 - 04-04)
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Anonymous at 14:53:42 on 04/04:
Vincej at 14:49:41 on 04/04:
Anonymous at 14:34:24 on 04/04:
Vaffanculo is always cheating , question is if they get caught or not... look at their highest ranker, like Maid ever could rank... not hard to guess that if she is scripting all the usual suspects are also..

Wow, our top ranker is OUTSIDE of the top 100 if you look at rankprogress. Surely this is cheating to the max.

Herp derp.


are you retarded herp derp?

I'm not and I'm very offended by your post.
Anonymous (14:53:42 - 04-04)
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Vincej at 14:49:41 on 04/04:
Anonymous at 14:34:24 on 04/04:
Vaffanculo is always cheating , question is if they get caught or not... look at their highest ranker, like Maid ever could rank... not hard to guess that if she is scripting all the usual suspects are also..

Wow, our top ranker is OUTSIDE of the top 100 if you look at rankprogress. Surely this is cheating to the max.

Herp derp.


are you retarded herp derp?