It has been around for a while indeed. That's why I'm a fan of updating the disclaimer and actually make us agree to the updated terms. Not suddenly start killing people while it has been known and done for so long.

I also find it funny that admins call it duping now, while they wrote 'Porting' on the wiki. Just shows they have no clue what they're doing or what others are doing. Apparently, in 2012 Koeiekop thought this was not duping and made a wiki page devoted to it.

http://wiki.barafranca.com/index.php/Porting

and see below: This page was last modified on 4 May 2012, at 00:59. This page has been accessed 2,333 times.

This has been around for a while :P

Once again, I do not do it, nor do I agree with it. Please, try to remember something longer than 5 seconds, you're not a goldfish are you?

And sorry, I fail to see how the idea of playing on multiple versions to get a strong account is "dumb". I don't do it, I won't recommend or force anyone to do it, but dumb? How can you call it dumb if several of the strongest accounts used this trick? Looks to me, as it was only a little group of people doing this, they were actually the smart ones, and we the dumb ones for not doing it also.

So basically, you think people who do this deserve an a-kill because 1) you didn't think about it and had an inferior account and 2) anything more complicated than a 1 to 1 relationship should not be allowed? Sure, if that's your opinion, that's fine by me.

Please excuse me for going back to the original subject, which is duping. To refresh your memory, "More and more people start an account on a seperate version to save up cash, to trade that cash over to their main version account to make it stronger. Admins call this duping." I'm just saying, all the money which the players make is made legitimately. No bugs or exploits are used. To use your words: "ONE version should be ONE economy". If we follow that logic, I can do whatever the hell I want with my money in one version, and so can someone else do with his or her money in another world. Think of it like charity.

I'm against money trading. This game requires enough time as is ( if you really want a good account). I don't want to waste precious time spent on real life activities (b/c I actually have a life) on making a .nl, .tr, .pt account in order to trade money. It puts people, like myself, at a disadvantage.

Dude, what he's saying is, ONE version should be ONE economy, it will be alot more stable then. It's a pretty shitty setup to indirectly force people who want strong accs and families, to play other versions for other countries with empty accs, just to let them run on lackeys and trade the money back. I'm sure you see how dumb that is, really.

Well Killerzzz, you can invest 2 more minutes a day by turning on lackeys on 2 worlds instead of 1. That would be a start to what is, apparently, such a fruitful but dangerous adventure.

And mr anonymous, you can say two versions, two worlds, but that clearly doesn't hold up. You just try and see as if everything is not connected to anything else, but that is stupid. Especially because the talk is about economics. The variables here are not independent.

As for the 2nd job thing, which you fail to understand and just feel the need to have retort: it was a thought experiment. I could have used many other analogies, but this one came to mind. You can either try to see the point or just find what you think is a flaw and retort. If that's the way you want to go: I said I would "most likely" make more money than you. Sure, I could have 2 jobs at Burger King and you a single job which pays more. Most likely though, I will not have 2 jobs at Burger King and you won't have a job which pays more than 2 jobs at Burger King.

Admins will never close the other version because the version managers from those side versions earn a % of the money they make selling dcs.

So basically nothing is going to change and admins will keep raping the players buttholes with their bullshit akills and more.

Your two job analogy is not working.
Two different version, two different "worlds". To transfer cash from one world/version to another is a bit like that old tv show sliders.
And for the record, your two jobs example does not even work in the real world.
If you work two jobs, it in all likelihood translates into two low qualification jobs (unless you are a high skilled professional who does freelance work), I bet my one job pays more than two jobs at Burger King.

there is no jealousy involved =p like i said money transerring from version to version throws of the balance of the game, invest more time? how cause they turn on lackeys once a day?

Killerzzz,

Once again: I don't think they should be rewarded. If you read my message you would have seen that. It's just the way it is. If I have 2 jobs in this thing you call real life, and you have 1, I will most likely earn more money. I just realized I probably should have put this the other way around, but I typed it and refuse to retype it. You can either hate it or do the same thing. I don't think this is any more or less of a cheat or scam than making money by playing several versions with the intention of improving one account. Everyone can do it, only the ones who truly devote themselves get the best results, it's like this in Omerta and everywhere else. Get used to it.

From here I can immediately continue to the other, anonymous, user: how can you say they get money for naught? I prefer to say we get naught from investing time, money or both. Remember that games are for fun and the goal should be entertainment, the game should not be your goal in life. Also, your analogy is in my opinion invalid. You say yourself that some person(s) used bugs to get money, which is clearly a violation of the rules. Adding value to something like Omerta money, what is wrong with that? We all pay to get something like credits, why shouldn't some people pay to get money if that's what they want? In this time where freemium games are so popular, I find it quite hilarous that buying/selling Omerta money is so frowned upon.

You can disagree with my opinion as much as you want. That's fine, thank god not everyone has the same opinion. Just give some rational reasons why it should be punished with an a-kill, instead of being jealous like a little kid because some people have better fortune by devoting themselves more than you.

By the same logic you would be ok, with gold farmers selling .com cash for real money.
Yes, that did happen in the past. *cough* Profestum *cough*.
Ok, prof and company used bugs to get the cash to start selling, but still, it's the same principle.
Whether you buy .com cash for .dm cash or real money, it does not make one iota of a difference.
Your master account suddenly gets cash for naught. Well at least nothing ingame related.
You are trying to switch the focus on the seller. Which is a very strange position.

why reward accounts that dont acchieve anything on the version they playing?

Killerzzz,

I never said it should be rewarded to play on multiple versions. However, why shouldn't someone get a benefit from investing more time in this game than others? To be honest, everyone can do it. And I'm pretty sure that the people who are bashing it are the ones who cannot afford to do the same thing. Besides, as the saying goes, time = money. So they either spend time on the game to play manually, or they hire lackeys and spend time working to pay for lackeys. Bottom line, they put time and effort into the game. And clearly if you put more into it you get better results, which is almost always the case. It's not against the rules either in my opinion, everyone can do with his or her money whatever they want. In short, I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it's just the way it is.

Admins do have the ability to kill and not justify their actions indeed. If they a-kill people and say they have their reasons, the discussion is over. Correct me if I'm wrong killerzzz, but I guess the whole point of this topic is because admins used this as reason to a-kill people, call it duping, and now our opinion is asked. So if I say admins have to obey rules, I'm not stating facts, I'm giving my opinion. And also equality is part of a democratic society, which most of us value so much.

Well this is a sucky decision from admins (I have no time for trade accounts though so it doesn't affect me). You will only selectively banning people since you won't find everyone trading.

There's a simple way around this for anyone not an idiot. Buy a DC for .version cash and sell it for .otherversion cash. It's basically money laundering haha. It's a bit extra work but it's effectively "clean" money.

If they wanted to stop it more or less, have requirements for each rank. Like to get to Brug you must have done X heists/OC's/raid's/MOC's, you need Y bullets on hand (or shot) and you need Z items from the shop. Every single person other than trade accounts will fulfil these, when they don't, they demote to the rank below until they fulfil it. Maybe even have a * next to their name to let people know it's a weaker account, thus more reason not to do it. This means admins don't need to micromanage it either.

stating players on other servers should be rewarded is because they play another version on probably an almost empty bruglione account is a bit strange if you ask me.

- these guys probably use any money they get to trade to make the account on their main version stronger.
- they barely help a family they join on these sub versions except with some points towards regimes and helping fambank / ranks a bit.
- they make a sub version look more active then it actually is, because ever since my return to this game i noticed a huge number of players (mostly in the really strong / big families) trade of their money from other accounts to support their main.
- investing more time? how by turning on lackeys to get to brug? =p

so way reward a player that only uses the sub version to make a good account on 1 version, while the negative effect is way bigger.

subversions look more active in eyes of admins while they have alot of empty accounts.
as we seen on .com the strongest players (Ascii/Aelin/Alchemist) did trade money from alot of versions which of balances the game more then it should, I think probably highest bullet counts on other side were about 800k/1 million ( and these werent many and these guys probably did somewhat of trading money themself) while almost every lusa capo+ had over a million bullets which made their account way stronger then any other account on .com.

This is more of a negative effect on the main version of omerta then alot realise / wanna admit.


its not extreme to close all versions with a playerbase not reaching multiple thousends of players anymore you should focus on your main version, would it effect DC buying with real money? yes hugely though admins always claim they dont make a real profit on it, so that shouldnt matter. with versions only taking 2/3 months and not many people reranking like the good old days the game will get more and more boring and will die off quickly.

if admins wanna make it interesting again close .tr / .pt / .nl and keep DM open to test things though dont make people have to pay multiple DCs on DM. so people would actually play on the test server, make a DC be worth 10k credits on DM, let there be a automatic 40 clicklimit on dm so people would actually be attracted to play on a test server so they can extensivly test new features because noone will pay real money for 2 week versions =p


admins actually keep to the rules once registering for this game you actually allow them to akill you for whatever reason they feel fit its in the disclaimer if they wanna akill you they dont need a real reason =p if they feel like it they can

Seems im the only one who trade money between versions because im the only one who get akilled. fair enough

(A) Kingdra 10-12-2014 13:43:32 Chief Kurosawa

Please tell me more about how you not dupe Lusa. -o_

I agree with your point Leonard. However, why shouldn't players who can afford to play on multiple servers not be rewarded? They are investing more time and effort than those of us who don't do it, it would be wrong to say we should all have equal chances of survival if one clearly puts in so much more effort than the other. Also, we should not take away the small pleasures they have left in life.

Closing other versions may be extreme, but I do agree with it. In fact, I would call the other versions one of the retarded things admins did and I would like to think they justify it by more money income through DCs. But perhaps some extreme actions have to be taken, because the trend for the past years has been a decreasing player base.

I would like to add one thing: If players have to obey the rules, so do the admins. And by rules I mean the existing rules, not the ones they make up to justify killing some people at a random time which usually is in the middle of a version.

You openly traded all version from .nl to .com though. It was reported and you didn't recieve an a-kill. So what's the message here, it's considered duping by the admins, but when it's reported with logs the admins choose not to do anything.
Admins, atleast be firm on this! Either you accept it, or you explain clearly how you consider it duping and punish the people who does it. IMO it should definitely not be aloud, I support the admins idea of it as duping, that's what it is to me.
But when tops of fams can do it freely all version in their own public channel, get reported and not dealt with, then you send the message that other families has to do this aswell to have any chance of keeping up.

Here are some logs from #kurosawa, anyone who keeps logs can check the times themself;

Session Start: Thu Nov 20 12:13:30 2014
Session Ident: #Kurosawa
[12:13] * Now talking in #Kurosawa
[12:13] * Topic is 'Kurosawa Public Channel -Milos Milinkovic - Alija (1986-2012) for members channel pm ~/&'
[12:13] * Set by `Prci|KUROSAWA on Thu Sep 18 23:44:33 2014


[16:14] <~Trza> swap nl for com $$$$ pm me
[16:15] <~Trza> swap nl for com $$$$ pm me Want com give Nl


Session Start: Sun Nov 23 13:46:38 2014
Session Ident: #Kurosawa


[17:43] <&`Sasa`Mitrovic[gmaZ]> Trade money .nl for .com want .com rate 1:2

[02:50] <@A`gone> t`rade money .nl for .com PM

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Session Start: Sat Nov 22 13:37:55 2014
Session Ident: #Kurosawa

[20:02] <+Itzme7`> Trade money give .com want .nl pm me


[17:15] * +RAFAZ Give $$ .nl want .com i have 200M .nl

[16:40] * +Theunit Trade Money | Give .COM | Want .NL - 20M+



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[02:00] * +Apolo trade money ~~ 250k.pt want 10M .com

[00:28] <+Denki> money trade, give .nl, want .com / buying dcs .nl & .com PM

[23:45] <&`Prci|ArounD> Trade money .com for .nl ratio 2:1 need .com