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05-12 The Punishment
Author: mmm
Last updated: 3693d 9h 54m 15s ago by mmm
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Involved families: Lusa, Tijuana
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The Lusa family just got taken down after it's Don (and sotto who tried an escape to Tijana) got a-killed.

Many people are questioning the motives behind this a-kill, one of the admins had the following to say:

Ascii is not killed due to personal account abused, he found a bug in the system so his capos benefitted of it
that's why he got an akill, we will not revive the accounts he killed but we will discuss a compensation otherwise


Also some CD's (maybe all of them) from Lusa got demoted to Local Chief, so these accounts took advantage of the bug as well. The bug supposedly is used by more than just Lusa, it's just the fact that the CD's haven't demoted to Bruglione when having an empty regime, since they didn't do any manual action. Thus giving them the account strenght nessecary to survive.

The official revive rule states that people will only get revived if they have been killed within 3 days before the a-kill of their shooter, which for many of the gangsters comes too late.

How do you feel about this? Should the revive policy need a review? Should the person that fired over 2,5 million bullets and devestated so many accounts get a different punishment?

Comment below!


Update:

Prophecy also falls victim to the same bug abuse as it's don got akilled some hours later.
statistics
War started on: 11:18:05 05-12-2014 War ended on: 12:25:03 05-12-2014
Bullet difference: -199,152 War duration: 1h 6m
Money difference: -$77,461,349 Players died: 3




deaths
Dead Families:
[Lusa] Family down on 11:21 05-12
Deaths per family:
Sw As LC Ch Br CD GF Points
Lusa | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 1 | points: 34
Tijuana | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 1 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 5
Total | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 1 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 1 | points: 39
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Vendetta (19:13:22 - 05-12)
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MrT at 19:05:04 on 05/12:
"It was reported already in the 4.0 version.

Even this version, in the second war, one of my members went to #help, and reported that a Capodecina was famless, and still Capodecina. What happend? - Nothing, he wasnt Lusa."

IF that is true, then i really think you should make that public, so that everybody can see it. Everybody hust want the truth, nothing more. I dont call Lusa cheaters, and if it really is 100% the crews own fault, then i think everyone likes to know that.

This was on monday morning!

(11:30:43) 07(15Vendetta07) 1 easy question
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(11:30:54) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) ok
(11:31:05) 07(15Vendetta07) what the fuck is wrong with this game...
(11:31:18) 07(15Vendetta07) yesterday 1 family went down
(11:31:28) 07(15Vendetta07) and one of his members stayed decina
(11:31:37) 07(15Vendetta07) and was even able to join other family
(11:31:40) 07(15Vendetta07) today
(11:31:42) 15o15 Can't join 07#help15, because you're banned! (07mode +b15)
(11:31:42) 15-07ChanServ15- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
(11:31:50) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) ingame ?
(11:31:58) 07(15Vendetta07) he is dead now
(11:31:59) 07(15Vendetta07) ...
(11:32:03) 07(15Vendetta07) today 5 decinas
(11:32:09) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) well if he was capo/spot owner and fam goed down he Stays CD until he gains RP
(11:32:11) 07(15Vendetta07) get demoted even before they go online
(11:32:13) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) if he doesnt rank he wil not demote
(11:32:23) 07(15Vendetta07) yes I understand that
(11:32:25) 07(15Vendetta07) but just now
(11:32:29) 07(15Vendetta07) 5 decinas of my fam
(11:32:31) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) yes those decenas might have lackeys on ?
(11:32:33) 07(15Vendetta07) got demoted offline
(11:32:40) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) rp = rp manual or lackeys
(11:33:11) 07(15Vendetta07) lackeys offline dont make you demote sry
(11:33:12) 07(15Vendetta07) ....
(11:33:34) 07(15Vendetta07) learn that shooting saturday
(11:36:04) 07(15Vendetta07) ? Xipz0r^atwrk
(11:36:09) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) ?
(11:36:21) 07(15Vendetta07) no comment on this? xd
(11:36:28) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) [12:33] <Vendetta> learn that shooting saturday <--
(11:36:30) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) dont get it ?
(11:36:44) 07(15Vendetta07) If you stay offline even with lackeys
(11:36:52) 07(15Vendetta07) you will stay decina
(11:37:00) 07(15Vendetta07) until you come online
(11:37:02) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) if you say so i think otherwise
(11:37:10) 07(15Vendetta07) account offline 5 hours
(11:37:16) 07(15Vendetta07) are not with lackyes off xd
(11:37:30) 07(15Vendetta07) and yet they were decinas
(11:37:53) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) ok and what is the problem / question ?
(11:38:08) 07(15Vendetta07) why did members of my family went demoted
(11:38:11) 07(15Vendetta07) even offline
(11:38:24) 07(15Vendetta07) when this didint happen to any other family?
(11:38:42) 07(14Xipz0r^atwrk07) i cant see or check that
MrT (19:05:04 - 05-12)
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"It was reported already in the 4.0 version.

Even this version, in the second war, one of my members went to #help, and reported that a Capodecina was famless, and still Capodecina. What happend? - Nothing, he wasnt Lusa."

IF that is true, then i really think you should make that public, so that everybody can see it. Everybody hust want the truth, nothing more. I dont call Lusa cheaters, and if it really is 100% the crews own fault, then i think everyone likes to know that.
Ladydi United Kingdom (19:04:01 - 05-12)
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Nuke at 18:51:17 on 05/12:
Ladydi at 18:47:00 on 05/12:

Define normal rankers?!
Is there such a thing as Abnormal rankers?
Maybe you should get that checked at your next doctors appointment.

You're actually suggesting that I ask a MD about Omerta gaming? OK.. I'm going to step around this one.
Apparently someone didnt get the psychology joke.
Grigoriy Portugal (19:04:01 - 05-12)
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Nuke at 18:49:19 on 05/12:
Grigoriy at 18:41:29 on 05/12:

Dude, when you'll realize that it wasnt something strickly to Lusa? We have shoted Capodecinas famless, and Capodecinas that changed family in the middle of the war ourselves. Did you saw us complaining about that? Everyone assumed that was the system, and we all needed to play with it.


Why do you think I do not realize that? As I said a few posts ago, I readily shot at an offline First Lady in the same state last server and died in backfire. I did not bitch to the admins then and I ddi not bitch about it this server either. However, I'm glad that the crew has finally done something about it. It was a problem and it is now being addressed.. I am annoyed that the crew waited so long, though.

You all need to get over your pact-like mentality (no PUN intended), and stop attacking me just because I'm not your teammate. I am only taking a position against cheating and you people are getting angry about it. What does that say about you and your friends?


Once again, you are trying to use your rhetoric skills... If you don't have nothing to say that realy makes sense, its better to shut up.

Idc if you are anti-pact, or if you arent my friend. Usually I respect my enemies, and you have a few proofs about it. I prefer to kill my enemies in war, than use schemes and shit, and try to have advantage about the situation.

Lusa being dead might be a victory to you, but it wasnt because your war strategies.
Vendetta (18:59:58 - 05-12)
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Grigoriy at 18:58:25 on 05/12:
MrT at 18:49:12 on 05/12:
Every player who had signed up for this game, have agreed to report bugs to the admins, instead of exploiting them. The real question is - was it even a bug?? Or just bad programming.. Hard to say, who should be blamed.. I think both the crew and the players/fams who exploit it.


It was reported already in the 4.0 version.

Even this version, in the second war, one of my members went to #help, and reported that a Capodecina was famless, and still Capodecina. What happend? - Nothing, he wasnt Lusa.

+1 If you need the logs I have pleasure to show anyone who wants /q Vendetta
Grigoriy Portugal (18:58:25 - 05-12)
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MrT at 18:49:12 on 05/12:
Every player who had signed up for this game, have agreed to report bugs to the admins, instead of exploiting them. The real question is - was it even a bug?? Or just bad programming.. Hard to say, who should be blamed.. I think both the crew and the players/fams who exploit it.


It was reported already in the 4.0 version.

Even this version, in the second war, one of my members went to #help, and reported that a Capodecina was famless, and still Capodecina. What happend? - Nothing, he wasnt Lusa.
Anonymous (18:56:37 - 05-12)
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Nuke at 18:49:19 on 05/12:
Grigoriy at 18:41:29 on 05/12:

Dude, when you'll realize that it wasnt something strickly to Lusa? We have shoted Capodecinas famless, and Capodecinas that changed family in the middle of the war ourselves. Did you saw us complaining about that? Everyone assumed that was the system, and we all needed to play with it.


Why do you think I do not realize that? As I said a few posts ago, I readily shot at an offline First Lady in the same state last server and died in backfire. I did not bitch to the admins then and I ddi not bitch about it this server either. However, I'm glad that the crew has finally done something about it. It was a problem and it is now being addressed.. I am annoyed that the crew waited so long, though.

You all need to get over your pact-like mentality (no PUN intended), and stop attacking me just because I'm not your teammate. I am only taking a position against cheating and you people are getting angry about it. What does that say about you and your friends?


+1

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Vendetta (18:56:25 - 05-12)
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Nuke at 18:53:26 on 05/12:
Vendetta at 18:51:08 on 05/12:

Im sry but your taking a position on your ass that got fucked by lusa top accounts. Go get some ice for that burn babe <3

I don't think that's the issue at all. My family killed your family the past 3 servers, including this one. It's not personal from my standpoint, but it was a necessary part of the game, all the same.

Perhaps this is some misplaced anxiety you have that you wish for me to empathize with your discomfort?

What? Are you part of the crew because last time I checked we were still standing after getting gangbanged by 7 fams But problaby im drunk
MurderInc Austria (18:55:22 - 05-12)
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Nuke at 18:49:19 on 05/12:
Grigoriy at 18:41:29 on 05/12:

Dude, when you'll realize that it wasnt something strickly to Lusa? We have shoted Capodecinas famless, and Capodecinas that changed family in the middle of the war ourselves. Did you saw us complaining about that? Everyone assumed that was the system, and we all needed to play with it.


Why do you think I do not realize that? As I said a few posts ago, I readily shot at an offline First Lady in the same state last server and died in backfire. I did not bitch to the admins then and I ddi not bitch about it this server either. However, I'm glad that the crew has finally done something about it. It was a problem and it is now being addressed.. I am annoyed that the crew waited so long, though.

You all need to get over your pact-like mentality (no PUN intended), and stop attacking me just because I'm not your teammate. I am only taking a position against cheating and you people are getting angry about it. What does that say about you and your friends?
No one is taking a pro-cheating position here. What we're saying is that after a bug has been known (BY THE CREW) for 1.5 years and has been tolerated for the same time, you can't suddenly change your policy without telling anyone first. the same goes for trading or pushing accounts. No one has any problem whatsoever with the crew announcing that this is illegal and will get punished in the future, but you can't just suddenly punish people for something that everyone did and that you knew about for years. That's a knee-jerk reaction that's completely unfair, and the fact that only one family has been the target of both akills shows us that the crew isn't as impartial as one would wish they are (which kinda makes all the fools claiming the pact has brando on their payroll or something look pretty stupid.)
Nuke United States (18:53:26 - 05-12)
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Vendetta at 18:51:08 on 05/12:

Im sry but your taking a position on your ass that got fucked by lusa top accounts. Go get some ice for that burn babe <3

I don't think that's the issue at all. My family killed your family the past 3 servers, including this one. It's not personal from my standpoint, but it was a necessary part of the game, all the same.

Perhaps this is some misplaced anxiety you have that you wish for me to empathize with your discomfort?
Nuke United States (18:51:17 - 05-12)
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Ladydi at 18:47:00 on 05/12:

Define normal rankers?!
Is there such a thing as Abnormal rankers?
Maybe you should get that checked at your next doctors appointment.

You're actually suggesting that I ask a MD about Omerta gaming? OK.. I'm going to step around this one.
Vendetta (18:51:08 - 05-12)
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Nuke at 18:49:19 on 05/12:
Grigoriy at 18:41:29 on 05/12:

Dude, when you'll realize that it wasnt something strickly to Lusa? We have shoted Capodecinas famless, and Capodecinas that changed family in the middle of the war ourselves. Did you saw us complaining about that? Everyone assumed that was the system, and we all needed to play with it.


Why do you think I do not realize that? As I said a few posts ago, I readily shot at an offline First Lady in the same state last server and died in backfire. I did not bitch to the admins then and I ddi not bitch about it this server either. However, I'm glad that the crew has finally done something about it. It was a problem and it is now being addressed.. I am annoyed that the crew waited so long, though.

You all need to get over your pact-like mentality (no PUN intended), and stop attacking me just because I'm not your teammate. I am only taking a position against cheating and you people are getting angry about it. What does that say about you and your friends?

Im sry but your taking a position on your ass that got fucked by lusa top accounts. Go get some ice for that burn babe <3
Nuke United States (18:49:19 - 05-12)
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Grigoriy at 18:41:29 on 05/12:

Dude, when you'll realize that it wasnt something strickly to Lusa? We have shoted Capodecinas famless, and Capodecinas that changed family in the middle of the war ourselves. Did you saw us complaining about that? Everyone assumed that was the system, and we all needed to play with it.


Why do you think I do not realize that? As I said a few posts ago, I readily shot at an offline First Lady in the same state last server and died in backfire. I did not bitch to the admins then and I ddi not bitch about it this server either. However, I'm glad that the crew has finally done something about it. It was a problem and it is now being addressed.. I am annoyed that the crew waited so long, though.

You all need to get over your pact-like mentality (no PUN intended), and stop attacking me just because I'm not your teammate. I am only taking a position against cheating and you people are getting angry about it. What does that say about you and your friends?
MrT (18:49:12 - 05-12)
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Every player who had signed up for this game, have agreed to report bugs to the admins, instead of exploiting them. The real question is - was it even a bug?? Or just bad programming.. Hard to say, who should be blamed.. I think both the crew and the players/fams who exploit it.
Ladydi United Kingdom (18:47:00 - 05-12)
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Anonymous at 18:45:52 on 05/12:
Saros`away at 18:14:17 on 05/12:
Nuke at 17:53:44 on 05/12:
Saros`away at 17:31:40 on 05/12:

[20:54] <Arcanine> i see a few CD's still CD although they dont have anywhere near 2,000 capo strength..just matter of time till demote?
[20:54] <Dee> are they off?
[20:54] <!KCode> Arcanine, display rank
[20:54] <!KCode> the real rank is always on system
[20:54] * Jans ([email protected]) has joined #4.0
[20:54] <!KCode> display rank is only updated on action


*cough* Such a strong bug. *cough*

As you've seen, Omerta has plenty of bugs in it, so that means even the programmers who write the code still have numerous problems to sort out. Someone from staff saying that it's 100% working does not go along with the fact that there are admin kills accusing of bug exploitation.

Here's a hint: A fact usually has a source to back the claim.

You will not find the current KA posted anywhere for the public's eye. Even if you do find the KA by itself, you have to look at the rest of the coding and reference variables to assure that it is working as intended. The KA relies on variables such as rank, account points, villa, bodyguards.. etc. I keep reading how everything is fine, by I keep witnessing something else.

If there was a known bug due to programming errors, would the person who wrote it tell me that it was working incorrectly or try to pass me off by telling me everything is really fine?.. The display is the only error.. Really? How difficult would have have been to fix over a year ago?

And...?

That you'd rather believe your own experiences doesn't change what has been told to us by the admins, regardless if it's actually working like intented or not. It seems to me that you desperately want to believe that Lusa are some mastermind cheaters that got finally got caught, instead of listening to anything that doesn't work well with you arguments. That's fine with me, it's only a tad bit typical.

But if there's one thing that we all should agree on here no matter if you regard Lusa as the ultimate cheaterhaxduperscum or not. It's that admins once again take the worst option they had available in giving an entire family akills/punishes and at the same time not reviving anyone who supposedly got disadvantaged by this (cosmetic) bug.

It's been fixed now anyway, so I guess it's not a matter of being 'hard' to fix and more of being 'hard' to finally start working on it.

even if this is true, doesnt change the fact that they used it in their own advantage of which `normal` rankers did not know about. so even though the akill is in theory maybe unfair.. it actually is fair.
Define normal rankers?!
Is there such a thing as Abnormal rankers?
Maybe you should get that checked at your next doctors appointment.
Anonymous (18:45:52 - 05-12)
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Saros`away at 18:14:17 on 05/12:
Nuke at 17:53:44 on 05/12:
Saros`away at 17:31:40 on 05/12:

[20:54] <Arcanine> i see a few CD's still CD although they dont have anywhere near 2,000 capo strength..just matter of time till demote?
[20:54] <Dee> are they off?
[20:54] <!KCode> Arcanine, display rank
[20:54] <!KCode> the real rank is always on system
[20:54] * Jans ([email protected]) has joined #4.0
[20:54] <!KCode> display rank is only updated on action


*cough* Such a strong bug. *cough*

As you've seen, Omerta has plenty of bugs in it, so that means even the programmers who write the code still have numerous problems to sort out. Someone from staff saying that it's 100% working does not go along with the fact that there are admin kills accusing of bug exploitation.

Here's a hint: A fact usually has a source to back the claim.

You will not find the current KA posted anywhere for the public's eye. Even if you do find the KA by itself, you have to look at the rest of the coding and reference variables to assure that it is working as intended. The KA relies on variables such as rank, account points, villa, bodyguards.. etc. I keep reading how everything is fine, by I keep witnessing something else.

If there was a known bug due to programming errors, would the person who wrote it tell me that it was working incorrectly or try to pass me off by telling me everything is really fine?.. The display is the only error.. Really? How difficult would have have been to fix over a year ago?

And...?

That you'd rather believe your own experiences doesn't change what has been told to us by the admins, regardless if it's actually working like intented or not. It seems to me that you desperately want to believe that Lusa are some mastermind cheaters that got finally got caught, instead of listening to anything that doesn't work well with you arguments. That's fine with me, it's only a tad bit typical.

But if there's one thing that we all should agree on here no matter if you regard Lusa as the ultimate cheaterhaxduperscum or not. It's that admins once again take the worst option they had available in giving an entire family akills/punishes and at the same time not reviving anyone who supposedly got disadvantaged by this (cosmetic) bug.

It's been fixed now anyway, so I guess it's not a matter of being 'hard' to fix and more of being 'hard' to finally start working on it.

even if this is true, doesnt change the fact that they used it in their own advantage of which `normal` rankers did not know about. so even though the akill is in theory maybe unfair.. it actually is fair.
Grigoriy Portugal (18:41:29 - 05-12)
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Nuke at 18:37:02 on 05/12:
Anonymous at 18:30:05 on 05/12:
Nuke, why are you still talking?

Do you really think your rhetoric will make everyone changes their thoughts about this unfair akill?
They just needed a reason to akill us, cas on Omerta the rulle its simple: comunity decides the most. They just couldnt handle that we were stading like warriors - as Capodecinas or not - and that would be pretty much impossible to kill us. So lets cry together and make some pressure on admins, we might have some that hates the "pact" and plus, they are our friends.

It doesnt really matter if you strong and organized...

So, I say fuck them, and fuck you aswell.

Omerta was supposed to be about honour aswell, but I'm affraid that you/our enemies don't care much about that. Since we are dead - fairly or not - its all that matters now.

Yes, I do. If it was up to you people, nothing would ever happen. You all would continue to tell yourselves everything is OK and continue to exploit glitches to no end. It irks me that you think that action should never start with you. I'm here to tell you that it has to start somewhere and what Lusa was doing is a better case that most.

I will not be unhappy if Kuro, Prophecy and anyone else who continues to exploit the same bug ends up being admin killed. Frankly, I think they need to do something about the raid timing as well, which no one else seems to mind - The fact that people are sending raid invites 30 minutes in advance bothers me. It's not readily available knowledge to everyone, thus it is an exploited glitch or unfairness. Strategy is one thing.. Exploitation of the games code is another.


Dude, when you'll realize that it wasnt something strickly to Lusa? We have shoted Capodecinas famless, and Capodecinas that changed family in the middle of the war ourselves. Did you saw us complaining about that? Everyone assumed that was the system, and we all needed to play with it.

rafaz Portugal (18:41:12 - 05-12)
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and btw I won't need to trade money, i will just spend 1 dc to kill 2 assassins or so, get ready for the chaos noob beyond top
rafaz Portugal (18:40:41 - 05-12)
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Nuke at 18:38:18 on 05/12:
rafaz at 18:35:42 on 05/12:
A decent enemy admits when something unfair like this happen, ignore this Nuke, next version he won't be able to do much poor guy :P

I hope next version they finally do something about the "money exchange" loophole and run your cheating ass off for good. You're garbage..

[12:18:12] <r\\zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz> nos temos 1 fam nl pra trades
[12:18:16] <KCode> eu gosto de ver
[12:18:19] <KCode> a malta aprender e adaptar-se ao jogo

' we have 1 family for trades '

' i like to see that , people learning and adapting to the game '
Nuke United States (18:38:18 - 05-12)
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rafaz at 18:35:42 on 05/12:
A decent enemy admits when something unfair like this happen, ignore this Nuke, next version he won't be able to do much poor guy :P

I hope next version they finally do something about the "money exchange" loophole and run your cheating ass off for good. You're garbage..