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Memento and Gravano are getting shot by the Provenzano and Fidelitas alliance.
Only 1 update from the statistics page later and chaos ensues. Lucchese, Gigolos, Ataraxia, Leviticus, Provenzano and Vedici gangsters are dropping on the floor breathing their last breathes.
Tattaglia+ is shooting Leviticus. They brought Leviticus down in 1 swift wave.
Messina+ seems to be countering on Fidelitas.
ISPP is countering on Provenzano.
Messina+ is getting shot by a group of families; Krays, Samagono, Destination and famless Leviticus members.
Lucchese is getting hit by a collective of families, the Psychonymous alliance, the Purgatory alliance, Snatch and Samyo are the assailants.
Cristeria is aiming at Destination and Hattrickelli.
Connection leaps into the war, shooting at Provenzano.
Catania is going after the Psychonymous alliance.
And the constant flow of families jumping in doesn't seem to stop as Righelli jumps in, shooting at the Psychonymous alliance. After that they proceded by shooting at Samyo. After their waves against Samyo decimated Samyo significantly they also took Snatch as their targets.
Leone is shooting at the Psychonymous alliance.
Marazzino jumped in for their bloods, they are shooting at Samyo.
Tattaglia started shooting at Fidelitas.
Ilimitada started shooting at Tattaglia and is currently being shot at themselves.
Only 1 update from the statistics page later and chaos ensues. Lucchese, Gigolos, Ataraxia, Leviticus, Provenzano and Vedici gangsters are dropping on the floor breathing their last breathes.
Tattaglia+ is shooting Leviticus. They brought Leviticus down in 1 swift wave.
Messina+ seems to be countering on Fidelitas.
ISPP is countering on Provenzano.
Messina+ is getting shot by a group of families; Krays, Samagono, Destination and famless Leviticus members.
Lucchese is getting hit by a collective of families, the Psychonymous alliance, the Purgatory alliance, Snatch and Samyo are the assailants.
Cristeria is aiming at Destination and Hattrickelli.
Connection leaps into the war, shooting at Provenzano.
Catania is going after the Psychonymous alliance.
And the constant flow of families jumping in doesn't seem to stop as Righelli jumps in, shooting at the Psychonymous alliance. After that they proceded by shooting at Samyo. After their waves against Samyo decimated Samyo significantly they also took Snatch as their targets.
Leone is shooting at the Psychonymous alliance.
Marazzino jumped in for their bloods, they are shooting at Samyo.
Tattaglia started shooting at Fidelitas.
Ilimitada started shooting at Tattaglia and is currently being shot at themselves.
statements
Fidelitas Statement:
There's talk of an "anti-pact". We definitely haven't been part of a thing like that. Our joining this war was necessisated by the following:
In order to trick fams into shooting us, Memento and a few more were daily wagging their tongue. Knowing they wanted us dead we acted first. That's all.
A thanks goes out to all our loyal members who don't hesitate a second to walk towards their destiny. A further thanks to our bloods, especially Ilimitada who has shared our fate while doing justice to the term 'blood'.
Peace out!
statistics
| War started on: 19:30:01 11-01-2013 | War ended on: 21:04:00 12-01-2013 |
| Bullet difference: -73,297,748 | War duration: 1d 1h 33m |
| Money difference: -$5,792,227,388 | Players died: 590 |
deaths
Dead Families:
Deaths per family:
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Anonymous (18:17:11 - 14-01)
Tattaglia = Exe = Homeles
Liberta alliance
Liberta alliance
Braamhaar (20:36:54 - 13-01)
Olmert at 20:19:23 on 13/01:
Well my replay was more to answer the comments how it come that our first wave was so bad and about the 'unskilled people' from ourside :p btw about the pact and don't let pentagram win a version without shooting. Dutch fams, you don't need a pact for it. Gather some fams and kill them. After that you can have the version you wanted. Like all peeps said, they aren't that hard skilled ;)
gode at 17:51:16 on 13/01:
bro, about duping, i was referring turkish families that died before this war, even one more is still alive on other side, you know who is it. destination had 6 brugs it's very difficult to blame your fam with duping :)
Olmert at 13:34:38 on 13/01:
You can't really say that even if all the accounts of the attackerside weren't dupes, we would have taken down the double or some families. For example Desti sama krays levi on Messina: Levi got shot before we found all people and even then a lot of people were in safehouse. And for the families on Gravano it's like Manhell explaind. They went to safehouse (hired also) and there bloods jumped in. When they come out, most fams are already switching targets from the attackerside so Gravano could start hunting.
Like I said, you can't blame all fams from the attackerside for duping etc , it was well organised from the 'defendersside' and it didn't went like we all hoped (a)
And about the pacts etc, it's not the pacts that is killing the game and competition. It is the 'same minded tops' of different fams that is killing it.
gode at 12:45:45 on 13/01:
Fidelitas went 1on1 with Memento. hugo when i shot you down the situation was :
12 fidelitas death
29 memento death
so i can say it was a pretty well organized attack from our side. i wouldn't also consider our side was "attacking side", since everything was leaked by Tataglia before war start.
it's pretty obvious that we don't have dupe accounts like most of mainstream turkish fams and we have a pro playerbase that knows what to do and how to do. we had 30 kills from memento and 5 from tataglia which makes 35/150 kills from attacker side.
we had 36 members lost, 35 is killed, which is 1/1 ratio. if other fams shot like us, there would be 280 deaths on defending side, which would be 2x total loses. outcome would be very different, i don't mean attackers would wipe, but at least couple of fams would be down, and some families would not be entering at last minute to a more balanced war.
we dont play math its omerta but numbers can tell you something.
about "pact" thing, fams like memento tries to form that pact cuz they don't have any other option. they are trying to stick fams that doesn't have blood relationship together like ISPP and Lucchesse. this version they have achieved it again, gratz, but i'm totally happy that we shot some ppl that tries to trick us.
Fidelitas went 1on1 with Memento. hugo when i shot you down the situation was :
12 fidelitas death
29 memento death
so i can say it was a pretty well organized attack from our side. i wouldn't also consider our side was "attacking side", since everything was leaked by Tataglia before war start.
it's pretty obvious that we don't have dupe accounts like most of mainstream turkish fams and we have a pro playerbase that knows what to do and how to do. we had 30 kills from memento and 5 from tataglia which makes 35/150 kills from attacker side.
we had 36 members lost, 35 is killed, which is 1/1 ratio. if other fams shot like us, there would be 280 deaths on defending side, which would be 2x total loses. outcome would be very different, i don't mean attackers would wipe, but at least couple of fams would be down, and some families would not be entering at last minute to a more balanced war.
we dont play math its omerta but numbers can tell you something.
about "pact" thing, fams like memento tries to form that pact cuz they don't have any other option. they are trying to stick fams that doesn't have blood relationship together like ISPP and Lucchesse. this version they have achieved it again, gratz, but i'm totally happy that we shot some ppl that tries to trick us.
You can't really say that even if all the accounts of the attackerside weren't dupes, we would have taken down the double or some families. For example Desti sama krays levi on Messina: Levi got shot before we found all people and even then a lot of people were in safehouse. And for the families on Gravano it's like Manhell explaind. They went to safehouse (hired also) and there bloods jumped in. When they come out, most fams are already switching targets from the attackerside so Gravano could start hunting.
Like I said, you can't blame all fams from the attackerside for duping etc , it was well organised from the 'defendersside' and it didn't went like we all hoped (a)
And about the pacts etc, it's not the pacts that is killing the game and competition. It is the 'same minded tops' of different fams that is killing it.
bro, about duping, i was referring turkish families that died before this war, even one more is still alive on other side, you know who is it. destination had 6 brugs it's very difficult to blame your fam with duping :)
Well my replay was more to answer the comments how it come that our first wave was so bad and about the 'unskilled people' from ourside :p btw about the pact and don't let pentagram win a version without shooting. Dutch fams, you don't need a pact for it. Gather some fams and kill them. After that you can have the version you wanted. Like all peeps said, they aren't that hard skilled ;)
Yeah, It's just a fam. They bit the dust all the time, this whole need for power is odd, since you always had enough power. You still just don't use it well.
gode at 17:51:16 on 13/01:
bro, about duping, i was referring turkish families that died before this war, even one more is still alive on other side, you know who is it. destination had 6 brugs it's very difficult to blame your fam with duping :)
Olmert at 13:34:38 on 13/01:
You can't really say that even if all the accounts of the attackerside weren't dupes, we would have taken down the double or some families. For example Desti sama krays levi on Messina: Levi got shot before we found all people and even then a lot of people were in safehouse. And for the families on Gravano it's like Manhell explaind. They went to safehouse (hired also) and there bloods jumped in. When they come out, most fams are already switching targets from the attackerside so Gravano could start hunting.
Like I said, you can't blame all fams from the attackerside for duping etc , it was well organised from the 'defendersside' and it didn't went like we all hoped (a)
And about the pacts etc, it's not the pacts that is killing the game and competition. It is the 'same minded tops' of different fams that is killing it.
gode at 12:45:45 on 13/01:
Fidelitas went 1on1 with Memento. hugo when i shot you down the situation was :
12 fidelitas death
29 memento death
so i can say it was a pretty well organized attack from our side. i wouldn't also consider our side was "attacking side", since everything was leaked by Tataglia before war start.
it's pretty obvious that we don't have dupe accounts like most of mainstream turkish fams and we have a pro playerbase that knows what to do and how to do. we had 30 kills from memento and 5 from tataglia which makes 35/150 kills from attacker side.
we had 36 members lost, 35 is killed, which is 1/1 ratio. if other fams shot like us, there would be 280 deaths on defending side, which would be 2x total loses. outcome would be very different, i don't mean attackers would wipe, but at least couple of fams would be down, and some families would not be entering at last minute to a more balanced war.
we dont play math its omerta but numbers can tell you something.
about "pact" thing, fams like memento tries to form that pact cuz they don't have any other option. they are trying to stick fams that doesn't have blood relationship together like ISPP and Lucchesse. this version they have achieved it again, gratz, but i'm totally happy that we shot some ppl that tries to trick us.
Fidelitas went 1on1 with Memento. hugo when i shot you down the situation was :
12 fidelitas death
29 memento death
so i can say it was a pretty well organized attack from our side. i wouldn't also consider our side was "attacking side", since everything was leaked by Tataglia before war start.
it's pretty obvious that we don't have dupe accounts like most of mainstream turkish fams and we have a pro playerbase that knows what to do and how to do. we had 30 kills from memento and 5 from tataglia which makes 35/150 kills from attacker side.
we had 36 members lost, 35 is killed, which is 1/1 ratio. if other fams shot like us, there would be 280 deaths on defending side, which would be 2x total loses. outcome would be very different, i don't mean attackers would wipe, but at least couple of fams would be down, and some families would not be entering at last minute to a more balanced war.
we dont play math its omerta but numbers can tell you something.
about "pact" thing, fams like memento tries to form that pact cuz they don't have any other option. they are trying to stick fams that doesn't have blood relationship together like ISPP and Lucchesse. this version they have achieved it again, gratz, but i'm totally happy that we shot some ppl that tries to trick us.
You can't really say that even if all the accounts of the attackerside weren't dupes, we would have taken down the double or some families. For example Desti sama krays levi on Messina: Levi got shot before we found all people and even then a lot of people were in safehouse. And for the families on Gravano it's like Manhell explaind. They went to safehouse (hired also) and there bloods jumped in. When they come out, most fams are already switching targets from the attackerside so Gravano could start hunting.
Like I said, you can't blame all fams from the attackerside for duping etc , it was well organised from the 'defendersside' and it didn't went like we all hoped (a)
And about the pacts etc, it's not the pacts that is killing the game and competition. It is the 'same minded tops' of different fams that is killing it.
bro, about duping, i was referring turkish families that died before this war, even one more is still alive on other side, you know who is it. destination had 6 brugs it's very difficult to blame your fam with duping :)
Well my replay was more to answer the comments how it come that our first wave was so bad and about the 'unskilled people' from ourside :p btw about the pact and don't let pentagram win a version without shooting. Dutch fams, you don't need a pact for it. Gather some fams and kill them. After that you can have the version you wanted. Like all peeps said, they aren't that hard skilled ;)
Olmert at 13:34:38 on 13/01:
You can't really say that even if all the accounts of the attackerside weren't dupes, we would have taken down the double or some families. For example Desti sama krays levi on Messina: Levi got shot before we found all people and even then a lot of people were in safehouse. And for the families on Gravano it's like Manhell explaind. They went to safehouse (hired also) and there bloods jumped in. When they come out, most fams are already switching targets from the attackerside so Gravano could start hunting.
Like I said, you can't blame all fams from the attackerside for duping etc , it was well organised from the 'defendersside' and it didn't went like we all hoped (a)
And about the pacts etc, it's not the pacts that is killing the game and competition. It is the 'same minded tops' of different fams that is killing it.
gode at 12:45:45 on 13/01:
Fidelitas went 1on1 with Memento. hugo when i shot you down the situation was :
12 fidelitas death
29 memento death
so i can say it was a pretty well organized attack from our side. i wouldn't also consider our side was "attacking side", since everything was leaked by Tataglia before war start.
it's pretty obvious that we don't have dupe accounts like most of mainstream turkish fams and we have a pro playerbase that knows what to do and how to do. we had 30 kills from memento and 5 from tataglia which makes 35/150 kills from attacker side.
we had 36 members lost, 35 is killed, which is 1/1 ratio. if other fams shot like us, there would be 280 deaths on defending side, which would be 2x total loses. outcome would be very different, i don't mean attackers would wipe, but at least couple of fams would be down, and some families would not be entering at last minute to a more balanced war.
we dont play math its omerta but numbers can tell you something.
about "pact" thing, fams like memento tries to form that pact cuz they don't have any other option. they are trying to stick fams that doesn't have blood relationship together like ISPP and Lucchesse. this version they have achieved it again, gratz, but i'm totally happy that we shot some ppl that tries to trick us.
Fidelitas went 1on1 with Memento. hugo when i shot you down the situation was :
12 fidelitas death
29 memento death
so i can say it was a pretty well organized attack from our side. i wouldn't also consider our side was "attacking side", since everything was leaked by Tataglia before war start.
it's pretty obvious that we don't have dupe accounts like most of mainstream turkish fams and we have a pro playerbase that knows what to do and how to do. we had 30 kills from memento and 5 from tataglia which makes 35/150 kills from attacker side.
we had 36 members lost, 35 is killed, which is 1/1 ratio. if other fams shot like us, there would be 280 deaths on defending side, which would be 2x total loses. outcome would be very different, i don't mean attackers would wipe, but at least couple of fams would be down, and some families would not be entering at last minute to a more balanced war.
we dont play math its omerta but numbers can tell you something.
about "pact" thing, fams like memento tries to form that pact cuz they don't have any other option. they are trying to stick fams that doesn't have blood relationship together like ISPP and Lucchesse. this version they have achieved it again, gratz, but i'm totally happy that we shot some ppl that tries to trick us.
You can't really say that even if all the accounts of the attackerside weren't dupes, we would have taken down the double or some families. For example Desti sama krays levi on Messina: Levi got shot before we found all people and even then a lot of people were in safehouse. And for the families on Gravano it's like Manhell explaind. They went to safehouse (hired also) and there bloods jumped in. When they come out, most fams are already switching targets from the attackerside so Gravano could start hunting.
Like I said, you can't blame all fams from the attackerside for duping etc , it was well organised from the 'defendersside' and it didn't went like we all hoped (a)
And about the pacts etc, it's not the pacts that is killing the game and competition. It is the 'same minded tops' of different fams that is killing it.
bro, about duping, i was referring turkish families that died before this war, even one more is still alive on other side, you know who is it. destination had 6 brugs it's very difficult to blame your fam with duping :)
Anonymous (16:22:05 - 13-01)
stupid maraz is next they think there safe lol dman stupid nuubs
Anonymous at 14:07:43 on 13/01:
Laterz Flowzz
Laterz Flowzz
Cya on irc when u stop by sometimes fella o/
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FlowzZ at 13:41:11 on 13/01:
You people seem to be so eager to show how selfrighteous you are that you wont even spend 5 more secs reading a sentence just to jump on your own conclusion.
It is a Mafia game , but even in mafia world those tricks only work once . Despite your red seeing , we do not play just to win , actually for versions we only played just to shoot and we provide that fun to our members. I like that reply to your comment below from Manager , thing is i dont know why i bother commenting here or trying to state something which you and your group of bashers seem to ignore , im actually doing them a favor by stating what they do wrong through my criticisms , and im not being as one sided as all of your comments are , if you dont have the will to have a discussion then dont even start one.
Saros`away at 05:15:27 on 13/01:
Comments like this just irk me the wrong way. People in here seem to forget that this is supposed to be a goddamn mafia game. So what if you backstab, leak and have personal vendettas? Isn't that what this whole thing is about?
Fuck other fams/pacts/alliances besides your own, I miss the times where this game wasn't about 'winning' a version with one side or the other.
Comments like this just irk me the wrong way. People in here seem to forget that this is supposed to be a goddamn mafia game. So what if you backstab, leak and have personal vendettas? Isn't that what this whole thing is about?
Fuck other fams/pacts/alliances besides your own, I miss the times where this game wasn't about 'winning' a version with one side or the other.
You people seem to be so eager to show how selfrighteous you are that you wont even spend 5 more secs reading a sentence just to jump on your own conclusion.
It is a Mafia game , but even in mafia world those tricks only work once . Despite your red seeing , we do not play just to win , actually for versions we only played just to shoot and we provide that fun to our members. I like that reply to your comment below from Manager , thing is i dont know why i bother commenting here or trying to state something which you and your group of bashers seem to ignore , im actually doing them a favor by stating what they do wrong through my criticisms , and im not being as one sided as all of your comments are , if you dont have the will to have a discussion then dont even start one.
Show how selfrighteous I am? I read your whole comment, it was just largely about stuff I had no real interest in. It wasn't ment to bash you, in fact we have been on the same 'side' for years.
My point was that it seemed to me that the essence of Omerta is getting lost with 2 sides just fighting each other over and over. It's not about 'tricks' only working once, or what they did 'wrong'. It's about players considering backstabs/leaking/personal vendettas as a negativism (Yes, I understood the context you put it in) when imo that's what Omerta is all about, you could do all that, minus the IRL consequences. But due only a core group of old players remaining, who have known each other for years, and without a steady income of new players we're seeing this less and less which put the focus on rather dull gameplay if you ask me.
And I start whatever I damn well please my friend.
Anonymous (14:07:43 - 13-01)
FlowzZ at 04:54:22 on 13/01:
I pitty the way how black and white you see the game my dear TL friend.
but no matter how we argue you still jump out to the same conclusion and refuse to admit the fact that its actually because of that 'myth u dont believe' where main objective of most of them was to drop vinci/grav at each start of the vers is what made us and our bloods's relationship stronger , a relationship you now are blaming for being too strong for those fams out there , but yeh we should have gone easier on them, perhaps we should have shot more like last version until the shooting hordes would come for us , ok u took 3.1 as an example , please tell me DIG or any of them was so ready to take the main role on fighting Conf+ even when the version had many sides on it and with crist and invo and their power i dont think reranking was an option , why dont u take a look at 3.2 then , look at how first big war of that version started , i dont think we were blooded to most of top10 on that time , were we? , hell turkuz was so excited on how good they and their bloods were doing that he even claimed a pact btw them on OB news but from all of them i'd say Gamb did most of the damage because of their money holders and that scratch script which everyone was abusing , but u treat them the same in 3.3 and suddenly u are the villains of omerta (as u claim in most parts of ur comment anyway) , fact is , we dont need morale speeches from u or any of the dead fams considering how hypocritical that would sound , we have our relationship with our bloods and that will stand , and i did not avoid the question , the threat were all those fams who constantly shot us in the past or were blooded to those fams (isnt that how game is played? ) , we did not blood marra or righ , and you should perhaps also stop ignoring the fact that as ones were there, and your underestimation to them is only based on assumptions .
I like those 3 points , even tho first and third were kind of same thing , since its unquestionable that whole blood status , a blood is a blood , i dont like the way of dividing them on 'good' and 'bad'.
Gn o/
Anonymous at 04:06:10 on 13/01:
It is a myth, if you count those pentagram alliance brugs as part of any plan to bring you down. It's simply not true. If you want to, add those brugs that shot yesterday as one "counter-pact", though they only worked together to have a (decent) version without you guys. And there's only two ways to deal with you. Blood you, or bring you down somehow, and start to play an open version once you are gone. Those fams that attacked you yesterday were not really interconnected to with each other. But what should they do? Shoot each other to give you even more of an edge numberwise and get picked apart one by one then?
Play it like Trafficante wait and do nothing and cry about the gangbang that is coming? ANd there had been rumours all day, that you were about to shoot Pentagram that day. And like I said, that war was leaked and yet there was noone, bothering to help Pentagram. Like I said there was no real big Turkish as one anti pact faggotry to kill you, that would really justify to increase your size even more.
And point three: You kinda avoided the answer, which fams alliance actually pose a threat against your side/pact/bloodlines/whatever. You pretty much absorbed almost any fams that are able to organize some shootings and actually hurt you. I can name 3 or 4 fams which could organize something, but with whom?
You call it making it cheap, in a way it is. But the way you have organized your bloodlines it's as good as impossible to bring you down. You have just bound too many of the strong families. This version you added Righelli again, and even Marazzino. Don't tell me you added Marazzino, because they are such a great family with which you have had such a great time playing with in the past. No, you are not avoiding wars, you just changed the balance so much, by piling up the fams that know what they are doing, that it's pretty close to impossible to bring you down. Just look at what fams are not blooded to you. Nazdrovia, Kurosawa, Turkuz etc. Again, who is an actual threat to you? I mean really name them, and the fams they can reliably work with. Do I have to remind you of that Marazzino-Nazdrovia "no you shoot first" faggotry. Not to mention the stuff Nazdrovia promised you, if you stopped shooting them the other day. Turkuz and Kurosawa are no better.
Like I said, those <turkish as ones> are more or less reliable bloods at best (I would rather say less). You know how quickly those as-ones/sisters fall apart. Just look at how quick that Pentagram alliance disintegrated and came crying: "we are no longer blooded to them, please stop"
Don't tell me you take those at face value, you are smarter than that.
Even Gravano and Messina are closer to being as1 than Pentagram-Karadeniz-Vogue-andwhateverotherfam there was.
If finally even the last fam realizes it needs to shoot you early, then you can talk about <the entire version is against us>, and honestly speaking I think you deserve it. You started it by creating that pact. There's practically no other choice for an open verison to bring you down first and then start playing. It worked 2 versions ago, but in that version not all of your fams were playing.
Anyway, back to your short question what 3 points.
1. Get a good reliable bloodlist (old school 5 at most).
2. Make smart moves/wars at the right time.
3. Make sure you and your bloods (all of them if possible) see the finish line.
Levi and Destination were good 2 versions ago.
I would even give Conflict/Vaffanculo/Krays/Vinci etc. credit for that verison in 2.9 or 3.0 which had no clear winner but those 7 fams or so in a stalemate. <We can't shoot them, because then our common bloods would shoot us>.
Freeriders like Nazdrovia or X-zone, or last version Pentagram, I would not consider them Version winners. THe version which X-zone probably will claim was the Version in which I would call DIG Ili Gambino as winners (3.1?). And no, DIG were no freeriders for me. Yes, you (Gravano) and vinci shot against Conflict, before DIG finally took over the driver's seat. Yet, there was enough fams/life in that version left, even without you. And there you actually had a realistic chance to rerank.
Now this version is pretty much closed down. Just be quick, with your cleaning operations please.
It is a myth, if you count those pentagram alliance brugs as part of any plan to bring you down. It's simply not true. If you want to, add those brugs that shot yesterday as one "counter-pact", though they only worked together to have a (decent) version without you guys. And there's only two ways to deal with you. Blood you, or bring you down somehow, and start to play an open version once you are gone. Those fams that attacked you yesterday were not really interconnected to with each other. But what should they do? Shoot each other to give you even more of an edge numberwise and get picked apart one by one then?
Play it like Trafficante wait and do nothing and cry about the gangbang that is coming? ANd there had been rumours all day, that you were about to shoot Pentagram that day. And like I said, that war was leaked and yet there was noone, bothering to help Pentagram. Like I said there was no real big Turkish as one anti pact faggotry to kill you, that would really justify to increase your size even more.
And point three: You kinda avoided the answer, which fams alliance actually pose a threat against your side/pact/bloodlines/whatever. You pretty much absorbed almost any fams that are able to organize some shootings and actually hurt you. I can name 3 or 4 fams which could organize something, but with whom?
You call it making it cheap, in a way it is. But the way you have organized your bloodlines it's as good as impossible to bring you down. You have just bound too many of the strong families. This version you added Righelli again, and even Marazzino. Don't tell me you added Marazzino, because they are such a great family with which you have had such a great time playing with in the past. No, you are not avoiding wars, you just changed the balance so much, by piling up the fams that know what they are doing, that it's pretty close to impossible to bring you down. Just look at what fams are not blooded to you. Nazdrovia, Kurosawa, Turkuz etc. Again, who is an actual threat to you? I mean really name them, and the fams they can reliably work with. Do I have to remind you of that Marazzino-Nazdrovia "no you shoot first" faggotry. Not to mention the stuff Nazdrovia promised you, if you stopped shooting them the other day. Turkuz and Kurosawa are no better.
Like I said, those <turkish as ones> are more or less reliable bloods at best (I would rather say less). You know how quickly those as-ones/sisters fall apart. Just look at how quick that Pentagram alliance disintegrated and came crying: "we are no longer blooded to them, please stop"
Don't tell me you take those at face value, you are smarter than that.
Even Gravano and Messina are closer to being as1 than Pentagram-Karadeniz-Vogue-andwhateverotherfam there was.
If finally even the last fam realizes it needs to shoot you early, then you can talk about <the entire version is against us>, and honestly speaking I think you deserve it. You started it by creating that pact. There's practically no other choice for an open verison to bring you down first and then start playing. It worked 2 versions ago, but in that version not all of your fams were playing.
Anyway, back to your short question what 3 points.
1. Get a good reliable bloodlist (old school 5 at most).
2. Make smart moves/wars at the right time.
3. Make sure you and your bloods (all of them if possible) see the finish line.
Levi and Destination were good 2 versions ago.
I would even give Conflict/Vaffanculo/Krays/Vinci etc. credit for that verison in 2.9 or 3.0 which had no clear winner but those 7 fams or so in a stalemate. <We can't shoot them, because then our common bloods would shoot us>.
Freeriders like Nazdrovia or X-zone, or last version Pentagram, I would not consider them Version winners. THe version which X-zone probably will claim was the Version in which I would call DIG Ili Gambino as winners (3.1?). And no, DIG were no freeriders for me. Yes, you (Gravano) and vinci shot against Conflict, before DIG finally took over the driver's seat. Yet, there was enough fams/life in that version left, even without you. And there you actually had a realistic chance to rerank.
Now this version is pretty much closed down. Just be quick, with your cleaning operations please.
I pitty the way how black and white you see the game my dear TL friend.
but no matter how we argue you still jump out to the same conclusion and refuse to admit the fact that its actually because of that 'myth u dont believe' where main objective of most of them was to drop vinci/grav at each start of the vers is what made us and our bloods's relationship stronger , a relationship you now are blaming for being too strong for those fams out there , but yeh we should have gone easier on them, perhaps we should have shot more like last version until the shooting hordes would come for us , ok u took 3.1 as an example , please tell me DIG or any of them was so ready to take the main role on fighting Conf+ even when the version had many sides on it and with crist and invo and their power i dont think reranking was an option , why dont u take a look at 3.2 then , look at how first big war of that version started , i dont think we were blooded to most of top10 on that time , were we? , hell turkuz was so excited on how good they and their bloods were doing that he even claimed a pact btw them on OB news but from all of them i'd say Gamb did most of the damage because of their money holders and that scratch script which everyone was abusing , but u treat them the same in 3.3 and suddenly u are the villains of omerta (as u claim in most parts of ur comment anyway) , fact is , we dont need morale speeches from u or any of the dead fams considering how hypocritical that would sound , we have our relationship with our bloods and that will stand , and i did not avoid the question , the threat were all those fams who constantly shot us in the past or were blooded to those fams (isnt that how game is played? ) , we did not blood marra or righ , and you should perhaps also stop ignoring the fact that as ones were there, and your underestimation to them is only based on assumptions .
I like those 3 points , even tho first and third were kind of same thing , since its unquestionable that whole blood status , a blood is a blood , i dont like the way of dividing them on 'good' and 'bad'.
Gn o/
Good morning,
as you know I am not even playing anymore, I had no account running all version and won't bother to rank in the future. And I am obviously still kinda hooked up on beyond. It's not about morale speeches. Scratch scripts/dupes, kinda pointless to argue against it, almost anybody uses some sort of extra help anyway.
And you clearly misunderstood me. I know and respect how your cooperation grow over versions. I share Donalo's estimation on the 5 core fams + additional bloods (I did not differentiate which blood belongs to which fam, it was late and I was about to go to bed, but since you also leave your blood's bloods alone it does not make much of a difference in the end) I just disagree that there's this big kanka as one conspiracy. I mean really name which fams, would be part of that. That's the whole point where your villain/hero argumentation falls apart. I find it a bit ironic that you call me out on seeing it as black and white though.
<all the families were always out to bring vinci/gravano or conflict down, whoever survived our big confrontation> sounds also a bit black and white to me. Maybe you meant something different.
Call it morale speech/call it crying bro, I don't mind really. I just know how utterly frustrating it is to run against the same wall version over version again. I saw it coming again this version. You are in complete control of the game and you deserve to win it. I respect you and your bloods for being reliable bloods and being able to shoot together, without some mickey mouse shit, about who gets how many targets and which objects for shooting, not to mention "no you shoot first" bs. I really can't imangine any discussion like that on your side there).
For all those things you clearly deserve respect and to win another version.
Remember when we had this kinda discussion on irc, about with which fams you like to cooperate, and which fams are simply not reliable/trustworthy. (your words bro, not mine). The point I tried to make is, if all the reliable/trustworthy fams gather in one corner, you take out pretty much any competition, especially if they also happen to have the numbers, as you do this version. I am really not sure how much excitement is left for you, to win version after version after version.
Point is, it won't make a difference. You won't stop cooperating/being good bloods and you won't start randomly dropping fams, with which you have worked in the past or sell them out. Why should or would you? Really I can't name one reason, for you to stop working with friends you have worked for years in this game. I also believe, you did not intent to grow as big as you are now. It just happened. I make a few exceptions for a fam or two that is allowed in the sandbox. So yeah, from that perspective it sounds a bit like preaching a morale speech, I see your point there.
For the other fams outside that bloodweb, there are only two hopes. Other fams learn from you, on how to play cooperatively. Some fams/players retire. I leave it to you, to estimate the likelihoods of either scenario. Retirement seems to be the more likely outcome to me.
I hope you see my point, too.
Anyway I am out. Hitting the gym. Something I neglected a bit over this stupid game.
Laterz Flowzz
Anonymous (13:59:34 - 13-01)
can anyone tell me why people are bashing some fams who got attacked 2 days ?
For example my Lucchese, first get attacked on wednesday, and friday. Than when loyal bloods help, it's Lucchese's fault that this version seems to be getting closed already?
- Can they be blamed for being shot?
- Can they be blamed fams that unblooded fams shoot for them? I doubt it would be other wise (never seen them shoot for unblooded fams really)
- Can they be blamed for the fact that friday all fams alive seem to wanting to shoot, yet by picking too much targets they are spread out to thin?
- Can they be blamed for having a solid player base?
- Can they be blamed that a blood of them decided to take 12 or more bloods ? They just have 6, of which 3-4 have been bloods for several rounds. And 6 bloods with 60+ fams ain't seem to that much.
- Can they be blamed that they and there bloods seem to be better bullets buyers than others fams, and end up being higher in ranking (on stats page, cause thats all it is).
I might be missing some points here, but this is my point of view as a member of this fam. Please enlighten me if i should see it differently, cause i seriously can't.
For example my Lucchese, first get attacked on wednesday, and friday. Than when loyal bloods help, it's Lucchese's fault that this version seems to be getting closed already?
- Can they be blamed for being shot?
- Can they be blamed fams that unblooded fams shoot for them? I doubt it would be other wise (never seen them shoot for unblooded fams really)
- Can they be blamed for the fact that friday all fams alive seem to wanting to shoot, yet by picking too much targets they are spread out to thin?
- Can they be blamed for having a solid player base?
- Can they be blamed that a blood of them decided to take 12 or more bloods ? They just have 6, of which 3-4 have been bloods for several rounds. And 6 bloods with 60+ fams ain't seem to that much.
- Can they be blamed that they and there bloods seem to be better bullets buyers than others fams, and end up being higher in ranking (on stats page, cause thats all it is).
I might be missing some points here, but this is my point of view as a member of this fam. Please enlighten me if i should see it differently, cause i seriously can't.
Saros`away at 05:15:27 on 13/01:
Comments like this just irk me the wrong way. People in here seem to forget that this is supposed to be a goddamn mafia game. So what if you backstab, leak and have personal vendettas? Isn't that what this whole thing is about?
Fuck other fams/pacts/alliances besides your own, I miss the times where this game wasn't about 'winning' a version with one side or the other.
Comments like this just irk me the wrong way. People in here seem to forget that this is supposed to be a goddamn mafia game. So what if you backstab, leak and have personal vendettas? Isn't that what this whole thing is about?
Fuck other fams/pacts/alliances besides your own, I miss the times where this game wasn't about 'winning' a version with one side or the other.
You people seem to be so eager to show how selfrighteous you are that you wont even spend 5 more secs reading a sentence just to jump on your own conclusion.
It is a Mafia game , but even in mafia world those tricks only work once . Despite your red seeing , we do not play just to win , actually for versions we only played just to shoot and we provide that fun to our members. I like that reply to your comment below from Manager , thing is i dont know why i bother commenting here or trying to state something which you and your group of bashers seem to ignore , im actually doing them a favor by stating what they do wrong through my criticisms , and im not being as one sided as all of your comments are , if you dont have the will to have a discussion then dont even start one.
gode at 12:45:45 on 13/01:
Fidelitas went 1on1 with Memento. hugo when i shot you down the situation was :
12 fidelitas death
29 memento death
so i can say it was a pretty well organized attack from our side. i wouldn't also consider our side was "attacking side", since everything was leaked by Tataglia before war start.
it's pretty obvious that we don't have dupe accounts like most of mainstream turkish fams and we have a pro playerbase that knows what to do and how to do. we had 30 kills from memento and 5 from tataglia which makes 35/150 kills from attacker side.
we had 36 members lost, 35 is killed, which is 1/1 ratio. if other fams shot like us, there would be 280 deaths on defending side, which would be 2x total loses. outcome would be very different, i don't mean attackers would wipe, but at least couple of fams would be down, and some families would not be entering at last minute to a more balanced war.
we dont play math its omerta but numbers can tell you something.
about "pact" thing, fams like memento tries to form that pact cuz they don't have any other option. they are trying to stick fams that doesn't have blood relationship together like ISPP and Lucchesse. this version they have achieved it again, gratz, but i'm totally happy that we shot some ppl that tries to trick us.
Fidelitas went 1on1 with Memento. hugo when i shot you down the situation was :
12 fidelitas death
29 memento death
so i can say it was a pretty well organized attack from our side. i wouldn't also consider our side was "attacking side", since everything was leaked by Tataglia before war start.
it's pretty obvious that we don't have dupe accounts like most of mainstream turkish fams and we have a pro playerbase that knows what to do and how to do. we had 30 kills from memento and 5 from tataglia which makes 35/150 kills from attacker side.
we had 36 members lost, 35 is killed, which is 1/1 ratio. if other fams shot like us, there would be 280 deaths on defending side, which would be 2x total loses. outcome would be very different, i don't mean attackers would wipe, but at least couple of fams would be down, and some families would not be entering at last minute to a more balanced war.
we dont play math its omerta but numbers can tell you something.
about "pact" thing, fams like memento tries to form that pact cuz they don't have any other option. they are trying to stick fams that doesn't have blood relationship together like ISPP and Lucchesse. this version they have achieved it again, gratz, but i'm totally happy that we shot some ppl that tries to trick us.
You can't really say that even if all the accounts of the attackerside weren't dupes, we would have taken down the double or some families. For example Desti sama krays levi on Messina: Levi got shot before we found all people and even then a lot of people were in safehouse. And for the families on Gravano it's like Manhell explaind. They went to safehouse (hired also) and there bloods jumped in. When they come out, most fams are already switching targets from the attackerside so Gravano could start hunting.
Like I said, you can't blame all fams from the attackerside for duping etc , it was well organised from the 'defendersside' and it didn't went like we all hoped (a)
And about the pacts etc, it's not the pacts that is killing the game and competition. It is the 'same minded tops' of different fams that is killing it.
Fidelitas went 1on1 with Memento. hugo when i shot you down the situation was :
12 fidelitas death
29 memento death
so i can say it was a pretty well organized attack from our side. i wouldn't also consider our side was "attacking side", since everything was leaked by Tataglia before war start.
it's pretty obvious that we don't have dupe accounts like most of mainstream turkish fams and we have a pro playerbase that knows what to do and how to do. we had 30 kills from memento and 5 from tataglia which makes 35/150 kills from attacker side.
we had 36 members lost, 35 is killed, which is 1/1 ratio. if other fams shot like us, there would be 280 deaths on defending side, which would be 2x total loses. outcome would be very different, i don't mean attackers would wipe, but at least couple of fams would be down, and some families would not be entering at last minute to a more balanced war.
we dont play math its omerta but numbers can tell you something.
about "pact" thing, fams like memento tries to form that pact cuz they don't have any other option. they are trying to stick fams that doesn't have blood relationship together like ISPP and Lucchesse. this version they have achieved it again, gratz, but i'm totally happy that we shot some ppl that tries to trick us.
12 fidelitas death
29 memento death
so i can say it was a pretty well organized attack from our side. i wouldn't also consider our side was "attacking side", since everything was leaked by Tataglia before war start.
it's pretty obvious that we don't have dupe accounts like most of mainstream turkish fams and we have a pro playerbase that knows what to do and how to do. we had 30 kills from memento and 5 from tataglia which makes 35/150 kills from attacker side.
we had 36 members lost, 35 is killed, which is 1/1 ratio. if other fams shot like us, there would be 280 deaths on defending side, which would be 2x total loses. outcome would be very different, i don't mean attackers would wipe, but at least couple of fams would be down, and some families would not be entering at last minute to a more balanced war.
we dont play math its omerta but numbers can tell you something.
about "pact" thing, fams like memento tries to form that pact cuz they don't have any other option. they are trying to stick fams that doesn't have blood relationship together like ISPP and Lucchesse. this version they have achieved it again, gratz, but i'm totally happy that we shot some ppl that tries to trick us.
Anonymous at 11:00:46 on 13/01:
Hugo can you tell , how fidelitas did rape your fam 1 v 1 and how did you cry your member how xzone people shoot us we were as one,go cry your 11 bloods :w
HugoAlmeida at 03:01:08 on 13/01:
Who cares ? Go post on your daily diary to make yourself happy... (K) Jans
ElIndio at 00:06:09 on 13/01:
Fidelitas Statement:
There's talk of an "anti-pact". We definitely haven't been part of a thing like that. Our joining this war was necessisated by the following:
In order to trick fams into shooting us, Memento and a few more were daily wagging their tongue. Knowing they wanted us dead we acted first. That's all.
A thanks goes out to all our loyal members who don't hesitate a second to walk towards their destiny. A further thanks to our bloods, especially Ilimitada who has shared our fate while doing justice to the term 'blood'.
Peace out!
Fidelitas Statement:
There's talk of an "anti-pact". We definitely haven't been part of a thing like that. Our joining this war was necessisated by the following:
In order to trick fams into shooting us, Memento and a few more were daily wagging their tongue. Knowing they wanted us dead we acted first. That's all.
A thanks goes out to all our loyal members who don't hesitate a second to walk towards their destiny. A further thanks to our bloods, especially Ilimitada who has shared our fate while doing justice to the term 'blood'.
Peace out!
Who cares ? Go post on your daily diary to make yourself happy... (K) Jans
Hugo can you tell , how fidelitas did rape your fam 1 v 1 and how did you cry your member how xzone people shoot us we were as one,go cry your 11 bloods :w
Stop the dissing, it's ugly and here something more important is going on.
Anonymous (11:00:46 - 13-01)
HugoAlmeida at 03:01:08 on 13/01:
Who cares ? Go post on your daily diary to make yourself happy... (K) Jans
ElIndio at 00:06:09 on 13/01:
Fidelitas Statement:
There's talk of an "anti-pact". We definitely haven't been part of a thing like that. Our joining this war was necessisated by the following:
In order to trick fams into shooting us, Memento and a few more were daily wagging their tongue. Knowing they wanted us dead we acted first. That's all.
A thanks goes out to all our loyal members who don't hesitate a second to walk towards their destiny. A further thanks to our bloods, especially Ilimitada who has shared our fate while doing justice to the term 'blood'.
Peace out!
Fidelitas Statement:
There's talk of an "anti-pact". We definitely haven't been part of a thing like that. Our joining this war was necessisated by the following:
In order to trick fams into shooting us, Memento and a few more were daily wagging their tongue. Knowing they wanted us dead we acted first. That's all.
A thanks goes out to all our loyal members who don't hesitate a second to walk towards their destiny. A further thanks to our bloods, especially Ilimitada who has shared our fate while doing justice to the term 'blood'.
Peace out!
Who cares ? Go post on your daily diary to make yourself happy... (K) Jans
Hugo can you tell , how fidelitas did rape your fam 1 v 1 and how did you cry your member how xzone people shoot us we were as one,go cry your 11 bloods :w
manager'nologin (10:33:35 - 13-01)
Saros`away at 05:15:27 on 13/01:
It's not just that, the two main differences with those version is:
1. Players didn't know/work with each other for years and years, families constantly tried to screw each other over which made for a far more dynamic game.
2. Individual families actually tried to make a name for themselves, one way or the other. It wasn't necessarily about winning, hell Omerta is supposed to be without resets, a game that could go on forever.
Comments like this just irk me the wrong way. People in here seem to forget that this is supposed to be a goddamn mafia game. So what if you backstab, leak and have personal vendettas? Isn't that what this whole thing is about?
Fuck other fams/pacts/alliances besides your own, I miss the times where this game wasn't about 'winning' a version with one side or the other.
ElMariachi at 04:07:25 on 13/01:
you just seem to forget one thing: back in the glory days of omerta if you had a group like that pic shows, you certainly did not have half of all the highranks in the game available ... I don't know 1.0 specifics cause I never played that one, but 2.0/2.1/2.2 there were plenty of pacts/alliances/blood groups it just didn't split the game into 2 sides, like it almost seems to be the case in current versions.
manager at 01:24:17 on 13/01:
Wanna know a secret? Big bloodlists, alliances and such are as old as Omerta is itself.
It's always been there and it's never going to change, it's a form of protection.
Don't believe it?
Check out the 1.0 fampage of Bruinsma
http://news.omertabeyond.com/images/famhistory/bruinsma/bruinsma1.jpg
4 fam alliance - 4 bloodbrothers - 8 allies.
The big thing that changed is the way that families value their bloods and such which obviously differs very much per familiy nowadays. Probably the biggest difference is that some families are trying to win the whole version in 1 war.
Wanna know a secret? Big bloodlists, alliances and such are as old as Omerta is itself.
It's always been there and it's never going to change, it's a form of protection.
Don't believe it?
Check out the 1.0 fampage of Bruinsma
http://news.omertabeyond.com/images/famhistory/bruinsma/bruinsma1.jpg
4 fam alliance - 4 bloodbrothers - 8 allies.
The big thing that changed is the way that families value their bloods and such which obviously differs very much per familiy nowadays. Probably the biggest difference is that some families are trying to win the whole version in 1 war.
you just seem to forget one thing: back in the glory days of omerta if you had a group like that pic shows, you certainly did not have half of all the highranks in the game available ... I don't know 1.0 specifics cause I never played that one, but 2.0/2.1/2.2 there were plenty of pacts/alliances/blood groups it just didn't split the game into 2 sides, like it almost seems to be the case in current versions.
It's not just that, the two main differences with those version is:
1. Players didn't know/work with each other for years and years, families constantly tried to screw each other over which made for a far more dynamic game.
2. Individual families actually tried to make a name for themselves, one way or the other. It wasn't necessarily about winning, hell Omerta is supposed to be without resets, a game that could go on forever.
FlowzZ at 23:57:40 on 12/01:
You do backstabs , leaks , personal vendettas and you still wonder why some other fams dont want to work with you or shoot with you or even defend you if it suited their strategical plan well.
You do backstabs , leaks , personal vendettas and you still wonder why some other fams dont want to work with you or shoot with you or even defend you if it suited their strategical plan well.
Comments like this just irk me the wrong way. People in here seem to forget that this is supposed to be a goddamn mafia game. So what if you backstab, leak and have personal vendettas? Isn't that what this whole thing is about?
Fuck other fams/pacts/alliances besides your own, I miss the times where this game wasn't about 'winning' a version with one side or the other.
+1
I wasn't trying to get any reasons, I was just trying to say bloods and alliances are not the big problem this game has since it gets done since 1.0, its how the people judge them nowadays.
Eventho there were big bloodlists and alliances, I can't remember such big wars back in the days. You didn't shoot whole bloodlists at once, you shot a family. atleast that's how I remember it.
and people that complained about the size of families: that's your own choise. If I would have 10 brugs I wouldn't start a family .if you do want to start a family with 10 brugs, then don't want to try to be a big boy or version winner.
with a little family you should not have the same expectations of a version, as the bigger families have. If you want to play to dominate a version you have to be bigger, if you can't then join someone else's family or don't compete with the big guys, fight your own wars against other smaller families that just took your spot.
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Okay, Omerta dictionary for dummies:
Core of the Pact=Lucchese, Gravano, Messina
Close bloods of the Pact=Memento+few others
Bloods of the Pact=Catania+few others
Asslickers of the Pact=Marazzino, Tattaglia, ISPP+few others
Anti-pact=Families that have fought against the pact
the last few versions, this varies but usually are=
Krays, Purgatory, Vertigo, Psychonymous, Provenzano+few others
Bloods of the anti-pact=Those vary, they are among the dead now
Random families that decided not to wait to get shot in
their sleep after a week or for any other reasons:
Fidelitas, Samyo, Samagono+few others
Families that don't like to take actions until the very last moment:
Kurosawa, Nazdrovia, +few others
Families that have their own view on the game and bloodlines:
Pentagram+few others
I've missed a lot of families, might have mixed bloodlines,etc, but
this is the general overview of the situation :)
I don't ttry to insult anyone, or anything, just trying to make it clear
for some people. However, everything is more complicated than presented.