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Memento and Gravano are getting shot by the Provenzano and Fidelitas alliance.
Only 1 update from the statistics page later and chaos ensues. Lucchese, Gigolos, Ataraxia, Leviticus, Provenzano and Vedici gangsters are dropping on the floor breathing their last breathes.
Tattaglia+ is shooting Leviticus. They brought Leviticus down in 1 swift wave.
Messina+ seems to be countering on Fidelitas.
ISPP is countering on Provenzano.
Messina+ is getting shot by a group of families; Krays, Samagono, Destination and famless Leviticus members.
Lucchese is getting hit by a collective of families, the Psychonymous alliance, the Purgatory alliance, Snatch and Samyo are the assailants.
Cristeria is aiming at Destination and Hattrickelli.
Connection leaps into the war, shooting at Provenzano.
Catania is going after the Psychonymous alliance.
And the constant flow of families jumping in doesn't seem to stop as Righelli jumps in, shooting at the Psychonymous alliance. After that they proceded by shooting at Samyo. After their waves against Samyo decimated Samyo significantly they also took Snatch as their targets.
Leone is shooting at the Psychonymous alliance.
Marazzino jumped in for their bloods, they are shooting at Samyo.
Tattaglia started shooting at Fidelitas.
Ilimitada started shooting at Tattaglia and is currently being shot at themselves.
Only 1 update from the statistics page later and chaos ensues. Lucchese, Gigolos, Ataraxia, Leviticus, Provenzano and Vedici gangsters are dropping on the floor breathing their last breathes.
Tattaglia+ is shooting Leviticus. They brought Leviticus down in 1 swift wave.
Messina+ seems to be countering on Fidelitas.
ISPP is countering on Provenzano.
Messina+ is getting shot by a group of families; Krays, Samagono, Destination and famless Leviticus members.
Lucchese is getting hit by a collective of families, the Psychonymous alliance, the Purgatory alliance, Snatch and Samyo are the assailants.
Cristeria is aiming at Destination and Hattrickelli.
Connection leaps into the war, shooting at Provenzano.
Catania is going after the Psychonymous alliance.
And the constant flow of families jumping in doesn't seem to stop as Righelli jumps in, shooting at the Psychonymous alliance. After that they proceded by shooting at Samyo. After their waves against Samyo decimated Samyo significantly they also took Snatch as their targets.
Leone is shooting at the Psychonymous alliance.
Marazzino jumped in for their bloods, they are shooting at Samyo.
Tattaglia started shooting at Fidelitas.
Ilimitada started shooting at Tattaglia and is currently being shot at themselves.
statements
Fidelitas Statement:
There's talk of an "anti-pact". We definitely haven't been part of a thing like that. Our joining this war was necessisated by the following:
In order to trick fams into shooting us, Memento and a few more were daily wagging their tongue. Knowing they wanted us dead we acted first. That's all.
A thanks goes out to all our loyal members who don't hesitate a second to walk towards their destiny. A further thanks to our bloods, especially Ilimitada who has shared our fate while doing justice to the term 'blood'.
Peace out!
statistics
| War started on: 19:30:01 11-01-2013 | War ended on: 21:04:00 12-01-2013 |
| Bullet difference: -73,297,748 | War duration: 1d 1h 33m |
| Money difference: -$5,792,227,388 | Players died: 590 |
deaths
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Alatriste (05:10:03 - 13-01)
Anonymous at 04:56:12 on 13/01:
Okay, Omerta dictionary for dummies:
Core of the Pact=Lucchese, Gravano, Messina
Close bloods of the Pact=Memento+few others
Bloods of the Pact=Catania+few others
Asslickers of the Pact=Marazzino, Tattaglia, ISPP+few others
Anti-pact=Families that have fought against the pact
the last few versions, this varies but usually are=
Krays, Purgatory, Vertigo, Psychonymous, Provenzano+few others
Bloods of the anti-pact=Those vary, they are among the dead now
Random families that decided not to wait to get shot in
their sleep after a week or for any other reasons:
Fidelitas, Samyo, Samagono+few others
Families that don't like to take actions until the very last moment:
Kurosawa, Nazdrovia, +few others
Families that have their own view on the game and bloodlines:
Pentagram+few others
I've missed a lot of families, might have mixed bloodlines,etc, but
this is the general overview of the situation :)
I don't ttry to insult anyone, or anything, just trying to make it clear
for some people. However, everything is more complicated than presented.
Okay, Omerta dictionary for dummies:
Core of the Pact=Lucchese, Gravano, Messina
Close bloods of the Pact=Memento+few others
Bloods of the Pact=Catania+few others
Asslickers of the Pact=Marazzino, Tattaglia, ISPP+few others
Anti-pact=Families that have fought against the pact
the last few versions, this varies but usually are=
Krays, Purgatory, Vertigo, Psychonymous, Provenzano+few others
Bloods of the anti-pact=Those vary, they are among the dead now
Random families that decided not to wait to get shot in
their sleep after a week or for any other reasons:
Fidelitas, Samyo, Samagono+few others
Families that don't like to take actions until the very last moment:
Kurosawa, Nazdrovia, +few others
Families that have their own view on the game and bloodlines:
Pentagram+few others
I've missed a lot of families, might have mixed bloodlines,etc, but
this is the general overview of the situation :)
I don't ttry to insult anyone, or anything, just trying to make it clear
for some people. However, everything is more complicated than presented.
and where would you place fams as cristeria and connection?
Anonymous (04:56:12 - 13-01)
Okay, Omerta dictionary for dummies:
Core of the Pact=Lucchese, Gravano, Messina
Close bloods of the Pact=Memento+few others
Bloods of the Pact=Catania+few others
Asslickers of the Pact=Marazzino, Tattaglia, ISPP+few others
Anti-pact=Families that have fought against the pact
the last few versions, this varies but usually are=
Krays, Purgatory, Vertigo, Psychonymous, Provenzano+few others
Bloods of the anti-pact=Those vary, they are among the dead now
Random families that decided not to wait to get shot in
their sleep after a week or for any other reasons:
Fidelitas, Samyo, Samagono+few others
Families that don't like to take actions until the very last moment:
Kurosawa, Nazdrovia, +few others
Families that have their own view on the game and bloodlines:
Pentagram+few others
I've missed a lot of families, might have mixed bloodlines,etc, but
this is the general overview of the situation :)
I don't ttry to insult anyone, or anything, just trying to make it clear
for some people. However, everything is more complicated than presented.
Core of the Pact=Lucchese, Gravano, Messina
Close bloods of the Pact=Memento+few others
Bloods of the Pact=Catania+few others
Asslickers of the Pact=Marazzino, Tattaglia, ISPP+few others
Anti-pact=Families that have fought against the pact
the last few versions, this varies but usually are=
Krays, Purgatory, Vertigo, Psychonymous, Provenzano+few others
Bloods of the anti-pact=Those vary, they are among the dead now
Random families that decided not to wait to get shot in
their sleep after a week or for any other reasons:
Fidelitas, Samyo, Samagono+few others
Families that don't like to take actions until the very last moment:
Kurosawa, Nazdrovia, +few others
Families that have their own view on the game and bloodlines:
Pentagram+few others
I've missed a lot of families, might have mixed bloodlines,etc, but
this is the general overview of the situation :)
I don't ttry to insult anyone, or anything, just trying to make it clear
for some people. However, everything is more complicated than presented.
Anonymous at 04:06:10 on 13/01:
It is a myth, if you count those pentagram alliance brugs as part of any plan to bring you down. It's simply not true. If you want to, add those brugs that shot yesterday as one "counter-pact", though they only worked together to have a (decent) version without you guys. And there's only two ways to deal with you. Blood you, or bring you down somehow, and start to play an open version once you are gone. Those fams that attacked you yesterday were not really interconnected to with each other. But what should they do? Shoot each other to give you even more of an edge numberwise and get picked apart one by one then?
Play it like Trafficante wait and do nothing and cry about the gangbang that is coming? ANd there had been rumours all day, that you were about to shoot Pentagram that day. And like I said, that war was leaked and yet there was noone, bothering to help Pentagram. Like I said there was no real big Turkish as one anti pact faggotry to kill you, that would really justify to increase your size even more.
And point three: You kinda avoided the answer, which fams alliance actually pose a threat against your side/pact/bloodlines/whatever. You pretty much absorbed almost any fams that are able to organize some shootings and actually hurt you. I can name 3 or 4 fams which could organize something, but with whom?
You call it making it cheap, in a way it is. But the way you have organized your bloodlines it's as good as impossible to bring you down. You have just bound too many of the strong families. This version you added Righelli again, and even Marazzino. Don't tell me you added Marazzino, because they are such a great family with which you have had such a great time playing with in the past. No, you are not avoiding wars, you just changed the balance so much, by piling up the fams that know what they are doing, that it's pretty close to impossible to bring you down. Just look at what fams are not blooded to you. Nazdrovia, Kurosawa, Turkuz etc. Again, who is an actual threat to you? I mean really name them, and the fams they can reliably work with. Do I have to remind you of that Marazzino-Nazdrovia "no you shoot first" faggotry. Not to mention the stuff Nazdrovia promised you, if you stopped shooting them the other day. Turkuz and Kurosawa are no better.
Like I said, those <turkish as ones> are more or less reliable bloods at best (I would rather say less). You know how quickly those as-ones/sisters fall apart. Just look at how quick that Pentagram alliance disintegrated and came crying: "we are no longer blooded to them, please stop"
Don't tell me you take those at face value, you are smarter than that.
Even Gravano and Messina are closer to being as1 than Pentagram-Karadeniz-Vogue-andwhateverotherfam there was.
If finally even the last fam realizes it needs to shoot you early, then you can talk about <the entire version is against us>, and honestly speaking I think you deserve it. You started it by creating that pact. There's practically no other choice for an open verison to bring you down first and then start playing. It worked 2 versions ago, but in that version not all of your fams were playing.
Anyway, back to your short question what 3 points.
1. Get a good reliable bloodlist (old school 5 at most).
2. Make smart moves/wars at the right time.
3. Make sure you and your bloods (all of them if possible) see the finish line.
Levi and Destination were good 2 versions ago.
I would even give Conflict/Vaffanculo/Krays/Vinci etc. credit for that verison in 2.9 or 3.0 which had no clear winner but those 7 fams or so in a stalemate. <We can't shoot them, because then our common bloods would shoot us>.
Freeriders like Nazdrovia or X-zone, or last version Pentagram, I would not consider them Version winners. THe version which X-zone probably will claim was the Version in which I would call DIG Ili Gambino as winners (3.1?). And no, DIG were no freeriders for me. Yes, you (Gravano) and vinci shot against Conflict, before DIG finally took over the driver's seat. Yet, there was enough fams/life in that version left, even without you. And there you actually had a realistic chance to rerank.
Now this version is pretty much closed down. Just be quick, with your cleaning operations please.
It is a myth, if you count those pentagram alliance brugs as part of any plan to bring you down. It's simply not true. If you want to, add those brugs that shot yesterday as one "counter-pact", though they only worked together to have a (decent) version without you guys. And there's only two ways to deal with you. Blood you, or bring you down somehow, and start to play an open version once you are gone. Those fams that attacked you yesterday were not really interconnected to with each other. But what should they do? Shoot each other to give you even more of an edge numberwise and get picked apart one by one then?
Play it like Trafficante wait and do nothing and cry about the gangbang that is coming? ANd there had been rumours all day, that you were about to shoot Pentagram that day. And like I said, that war was leaked and yet there was noone, bothering to help Pentagram. Like I said there was no real big Turkish as one anti pact faggotry to kill you, that would really justify to increase your size even more.
And point three: You kinda avoided the answer, which fams alliance actually pose a threat against your side/pact/bloodlines/whatever. You pretty much absorbed almost any fams that are able to organize some shootings and actually hurt you. I can name 3 or 4 fams which could organize something, but with whom?
You call it making it cheap, in a way it is. But the way you have organized your bloodlines it's as good as impossible to bring you down. You have just bound too many of the strong families. This version you added Righelli again, and even Marazzino. Don't tell me you added Marazzino, because they are such a great family with which you have had such a great time playing with in the past. No, you are not avoiding wars, you just changed the balance so much, by piling up the fams that know what they are doing, that it's pretty close to impossible to bring you down. Just look at what fams are not blooded to you. Nazdrovia, Kurosawa, Turkuz etc. Again, who is an actual threat to you? I mean really name them, and the fams they can reliably work with. Do I have to remind you of that Marazzino-Nazdrovia "no you shoot first" faggotry. Not to mention the stuff Nazdrovia promised you, if you stopped shooting them the other day. Turkuz and Kurosawa are no better.
Like I said, those <turkish as ones> are more or less reliable bloods at best (I would rather say less). You know how quickly those as-ones/sisters fall apart. Just look at how quick that Pentagram alliance disintegrated and came crying: "we are no longer blooded to them, please stop"
Don't tell me you take those at face value, you are smarter than that.
Even Gravano and Messina are closer to being as1 than Pentagram-Karadeniz-Vogue-andwhateverotherfam there was.
If finally even the last fam realizes it needs to shoot you early, then you can talk about <the entire version is against us>, and honestly speaking I think you deserve it. You started it by creating that pact. There's practically no other choice for an open verison to bring you down first and then start playing. It worked 2 versions ago, but in that version not all of your fams were playing.
Anyway, back to your short question what 3 points.
1. Get a good reliable bloodlist (old school 5 at most).
2. Make smart moves/wars at the right time.
3. Make sure you and your bloods (all of them if possible) see the finish line.
Levi and Destination were good 2 versions ago.
I would even give Conflict/Vaffanculo/Krays/Vinci etc. credit for that verison in 2.9 or 3.0 which had no clear winner but those 7 fams or so in a stalemate. <We can't shoot them, because then our common bloods would shoot us>.
Freeriders like Nazdrovia or X-zone, or last version Pentagram, I would not consider them Version winners. THe version which X-zone probably will claim was the Version in which I would call DIG Ili Gambino as winners (3.1?). And no, DIG were no freeriders for me. Yes, you (Gravano) and vinci shot against Conflict, before DIG finally took over the driver's seat. Yet, there was enough fams/life in that version left, even without you. And there you actually had a realistic chance to rerank.
Now this version is pretty much closed down. Just be quick, with your cleaning operations please.
I pitty the way how black and white you see the game my dear TL friend.
but no matter how we argue you still jump out to the same conclusion and refuse to admit the fact that its actually because of that 'myth u dont believe' where main objective of most of them was to drop vinci/grav at each start of the vers is what made us and our bloods's relationship stronger , a relationship you now are blaming for being too strong for those fams out there , but yeh we should have gone easier on them, perhaps we should have shot more like last version until the shooting hordes would come for us , ok u took 3.1 as an example , please tell me DIG or any of them was so ready to take the main role on fighting Conf+ even when the version had many sides on it and with crist and invo and their power i dont think reranking was an option , why dont u take a look at 3.2 then , look at how first big war of that version started , i dont think we were blooded to most of top10 on that time , were we? , hell turkuz was so excited on how good they and their bloods were doing that he even claimed a pact btw them on OB news but from all of them i'd say Gamb did most of the damage because of their money holders and that scratch script which everyone was abusing , but u treat them the same in 3.3 and suddenly u are the villains of omerta (as u claim in most parts of ur comment anyway) , fact is , we dont need morale speeches from u or any of the dead fams considering how hypocritical that would sound , we have our relationship with our bloods and that will stand , and i did not avoid the question , the threat were all those fams who constantly shot us in the past or were blooded to those fams (isnt that how game is played? ) , we did not blood marra or righ , and you should perhaps also stop ignoring the fact that as ones were there, and your underestimation to them is only based on assumptions .
I like those 3 points , even tho first and third were kind of same thing , since its unquestionable that whole blood status , a blood is a blood , i dont like the way of dividing them on 'good' and 'bad'.
Gn o/
manager at 01:24:17 on 13/01:
Wanna know a secret? Big bloodlists, alliances and such are as old as Omerta is itself.
It's always been there and it's never going to change, it's a form of protection.
Don't believe it?
Check out the 1.0 fampage of Bruinsma
http://news.omertabeyond.com/images/famhistory/bruinsma/bruinsma1.jpg
4 fam alliance - 4 bloodbrothers - 8 allies.
The big thing that changed is the way that families value their bloods and such which obviously differs very much per familiy nowadays. Probably the biggest difference is that some families are trying to win the whole version in 1 war.
Wanna know a secret? Big bloodlists, alliances and such are as old as Omerta is itself.
It's always been there and it's never going to change, it's a form of protection.
Don't believe it?
Check out the 1.0 fampage of Bruinsma
http://news.omertabeyond.com/images/famhistory/bruinsma/bruinsma1.jpg
4 fam alliance - 4 bloodbrothers - 8 allies.
The big thing that changed is the way that families value their bloods and such which obviously differs very much per familiy nowadays. Probably the biggest difference is that some families are trying to win the whole version in 1 war.
you just seem to forget one thing: back in the glory days of omerta if you had a group like that pic shows, you certainly did not have half of all the highranks in the game available ... I don't know 1.0 specifics cause I never played that one, but 2.0/2.1/2.2 there were plenty of pacts/alliances/blood groups it just didn't split the game into 2 sides, like it almost seems to be the case in current versions.
Anonymous (04:06:10 - 13-01)
FlowzZ at 01:59:40 on 13/01:
You saw the proportions so dont call it a myth, Penta was blooded to Janni , and Janni had other bloods who did not jump for them (at least not when they should have) so i wonder how they were planning to have a decent comeback as a 'leading fam' this round with a group of fams like that, and i dont know what this leaked plan is perhaps u can tell me or its just another unexplained statement added like that freeride below (edited: i read ur comment) .
I also think you agree with my point two and that whole being outnumbered part , you have plenty of OB news threads to back it up .
At third point i took Levi as an example since for versions they have been the ones to use their reputation and to sacrifice themselves so they would pull a decent shooting towards us so others can win(edited) , and to answer your question , i think the threat were all those fams i counted with brugs lost , we have been working with our bloods for a long time so i dont think its right to blame us on the 'good fams' , feel free to make your fam as strong as theirs/ours anytime and once again it is not a myth if you are seeing the same scenario since countless versions ago, its almost as u want us to make it easier for everyone to win a version in any cheap , avoiding most of wars way , and i feel offended by it now.
No those are as ones and those are power added to those certain fams , it is yet again not our fault that those brugs were not fully used .
Im too tired to go on this unending circle of blaming on both sides , but since you seem like a clever champ , answer this in 3 simple points , what do you think a winner family should do to earn that place and how close to that is/was any of the fams you are backing.
Anonymous at 01:31:53 on 13/01:
That more brugs remains a myth. Pentagram was closer to your fam (I know gravano was not directly blooded to them, yet ISSP (alliance) and Messina were. You war plans about shooting pentagram leaked before. That nobody bothered to help them, should tell you, that after last version, nobody was willing to help "Nazdrovia Junior". If you had asked around, you probably would have been able to gather more fams to shoot them. And that profestum refered to shooting them before they launched their attack on Levi, should tell you a thing or two. Sorry, really adding a fail fam like Pentagram to the so called <counter pact> is highly insulting.
So you give me point two, and you actually agree with me, that you outnumber anybody else.
Point 3 is both a compliment to your side, and a criticism at the same time. You say it would kill the challenge if you added Levi, too. But honestly speaking, how many families were/are left that could actually be a threat to you and your bloods. And just look at what numbers those fams could reliable gather for an attack. And please, don't engage into <the entire version against us myth.> It would require the entire version to bring you down, but you and I know how realistic that is. Since most of the good fams are gathered on your side. So I don't really see the challenge for you guys.
Point 4. Ah, ok. But that those "Turkish as ones" "Turkish sisters" (sorry, guys, but it really is a turkish phenomenom) are more or less reliable bloods at least, is not new. It's just arguing about semantics. Just replace the word sister with bloods, and you are closer to what those really are imo.
Point 5. Yes, it really is point 3. Kuros might be a respectable fam, as far as their own fam management is concerned (that is as far as I am willing to go). But as soon as it come to working with them, you know it as well as I do, they become totally unpredictable at best. I mean, Trza had for versions the idea, he was pulling the strings and playing Marazino. I mean seriously, you want to work with a family that things bloods just exist to serve their purpose? I mean last version they abadoned their targets in a war, to start shooting Memento/Sindikat. As long as they consider their ego's to be the most important thing in the game, there's no point in even considering to work with them. They are a strategical graveyard. Like I said, it pretty much is point three.
That more brugs remains a myth. Pentagram was closer to your fam (I know gravano was not directly blooded to them, yet ISSP (alliance) and Messina were. You war plans about shooting pentagram leaked before. That nobody bothered to help them, should tell you, that after last version, nobody was willing to help "Nazdrovia Junior". If you had asked around, you probably would have been able to gather more fams to shoot them. And that profestum refered to shooting them before they launched their attack on Levi, should tell you a thing or two. Sorry, really adding a fail fam like Pentagram to the so called <counter pact> is highly insulting.
So you give me point two, and you actually agree with me, that you outnumber anybody else.
Point 3 is both a compliment to your side, and a criticism at the same time. You say it would kill the challenge if you added Levi, too. But honestly speaking, how many families were/are left that could actually be a threat to you and your bloods. And just look at what numbers those fams could reliable gather for an attack. And please, don't engage into <the entire version against us myth.> It would require the entire version to bring you down, but you and I know how realistic that is. Since most of the good fams are gathered on your side. So I don't really see the challenge for you guys.
Point 4. Ah, ok. But that those "Turkish as ones" "Turkish sisters" (sorry, guys, but it really is a turkish phenomenom) are more or less reliable bloods at least, is not new. It's just arguing about semantics. Just replace the word sister with bloods, and you are closer to what those really are imo.
Point 5. Yes, it really is point 3. Kuros might be a respectable fam, as far as their own fam management is concerned (that is as far as I am willing to go). But as soon as it come to working with them, you know it as well as I do, they become totally unpredictable at best. I mean, Trza had for versions the idea, he was pulling the strings and playing Marazino. I mean seriously, you want to work with a family that things bloods just exist to serve their purpose? I mean last version they abadoned their targets in a war, to start shooting Memento/Sindikat. As long as they consider their ego's to be the most important thing in the game, there's no point in even considering to work with them. They are a strategical graveyard. Like I said, it pretty much is point three.
You saw the proportions so dont call it a myth, Penta was blooded to Janni , and Janni had other bloods who did not jump for them (at least not when they should have) so i wonder how they were planning to have a decent comeback as a 'leading fam' this round with a group of fams like that, and i dont know what this leaked plan is perhaps u can tell me or its just another unexplained statement added like that freeride below (edited: i read ur comment) .
I also think you agree with my point two and that whole being outnumbered part , you have plenty of OB news threads to back it up .
At third point i took Levi as an example since for versions they have been the ones to use their reputation and to sacrifice themselves so they would pull a decent shooting towards us so others can win(edited) , and to answer your question , i think the threat were all those fams i counted with brugs lost , we have been working with our bloods for a long time so i dont think its right to blame us on the 'good fams' , feel free to make your fam as strong as theirs/ours anytime and once again it is not a myth if you are seeing the same scenario since countless versions ago, its almost as u want us to make it easier for everyone to win a version in any cheap , avoiding most of wars way , and i feel offended by it now.
No those are as ones and those are power added to those certain fams , it is yet again not our fault that those brugs were not fully used .
Im too tired to go on this unending circle of blaming on both sides , but since you seem like a clever champ , answer this in 3 simple points , what do you think a winner family should do to earn that place and how close to that is/was any of the fams you are backing.
It is a myth, if you count those pentagram alliance brugs as part of any plan to bring you down. It's simply not true. If you want to, add those brugs that shot yesterday as one "counter-pact", though they only worked together to have a (decent) version without you guys. And there's only two ways to deal with you. Blood you, or bring you down somehow, and start to play an open version once you are gone. Those fams that attacked you yesterday were not really interconnected to with each other. But what should they do? Shoot each other to give you even more of an edge numberwise and get picked apart one by one then?
Play it like Trafficante wait and do nothing and cry about the gangbang that is coming? ANd there had been rumours all day, that you were about to shoot Pentagram that day. And like I said, that war was leaked and yet there was noone, bothering to help Pentagram. Like I said there was no real big Turkish as one anti pact faggotry to kill you, that would really justify to increase your size even more.
And point three: You kinda avoided the answer, which fams alliance actually pose a threat against your side/pact/bloodlines/whatever. You pretty much absorbed almost any fams that are able to organize some shootings and actually hurt you. I can name 3 or 4 fams which could organize something, but with whom?
You call it making it cheap, in a way it is. But the way you have organized your bloodlines it's as good as impossible to bring you down. You have just bound too many of the strong families. This version you added Righelli again, and even Marazzino. Don't tell me you added Marazzino, because they are such a great family with which you have had such a great time playing with in the past. No, you are not avoiding wars, you just changed the balance so much, by piling up the fams that know what they are doing, that it's pretty close to impossible to bring you down. Just look at what fams are not blooded to you. Nazdrovia, Kurosawa, Turkuz etc. Again, who is an actual threat to you? I mean really name them, and the fams they can reliably work with. Do I have to remind you of that Marazzino-Nazdrovia "no you shoot first" faggotry. Not to mention the stuff Nazdrovia promised you, if you stopped shooting them the other day. Turkuz and Kurosawa are no better.
Like I said, those <turkish as ones> are more or less reliable bloods at best (I would rather say less). You know how quickly those as-ones/sisters fall apart. Just look at how quick that Pentagram alliance disintegrated and came crying: "we are no longer blooded to them, please stop"
Don't tell me you take those at face value, you are smarter than that.
Even Gravano and Messina are closer to being as1 than Pentagram-Karadeniz-Vogue-andwhateverotherfam there was.
If finally even the last fam realizes it needs to shoot you early, then you can talk about <the entire version is against us>, and honestly speaking I think you deserve it. You started it by creating that pact. There's practically no other choice for an open verison to bring you down first and then start playing. It worked 2 versions ago, but in that version not all of your fams were playing.
Anyway, back to your short question what 3 points.
1. Get a good reliable bloodlist (old school 5 at most).
2. Make smart moves/wars at the right time.
3. Make sure you and your bloods (all of them if possible) see the finish line.
Levi and Destination were good 2 versions ago.
I would even give Conflict/Vaffanculo/Krays/Vinci etc. credit for that verison in 2.9 or 3.0 which had no clear winner but those 7 fams or so in a stalemate. <We can't shoot them, because then our common bloods would shoot us>.
Freeriders like Nazdrovia or X-zone, or last version Pentagram, I would not consider them Version winners. THe version which X-zone probably will claim was the Version in which I would call DIG Ili Gambino as winners (3.1?). And no, DIG were no freeriders for me. Yes, you (Gravano) and vinci shot against Conflict, before DIG finally took over the driver's seat. Yet, there was enough fams/life in that version left, even without you. And there you actually had a realistic chance to rerank.
Now this version is pretty much closed down. Just be quick, with your cleaning operations please.
HugoAlmeida (03:01:08 - 13-01)
ElIndio at 00:06:09 on 13/01:
Fidelitas Statement:
There's talk of an "anti-pact". We definitely haven't been part of a thing like that. Our joining this war was necessisated by the following:
In order to trick fams into shooting us, Memento and a few more were daily wagging their tongue. Knowing they wanted us dead we acted first. That's all.
A thanks goes out to all our loyal members who don't hesitate a second to walk towards their destiny. A further thanks to our bloods, especially Ilimitada who has shared our fate while doing justice to the term 'blood'.
Peace out!
Fidelitas Statement:
There's talk of an "anti-pact". We definitely haven't been part of a thing like that. Our joining this war was necessisated by the following:
In order to trick fams into shooting us, Memento and a few more were daily wagging their tongue. Knowing they wanted us dead we acted first. That's all.
A thanks goes out to all our loyal members who don't hesitate a second to walk towards their destiny. A further thanks to our bloods, especially Ilimitada who has shared our fate while doing justice to the term 'blood'.
Peace out!
Who cares ? Go post on your daily diary to make yourself happy... (K) Jans
Anonymous (03:00:06 - 13-01)
ElIndio at 00:06:09 on 13/01:
Fidelitas Statement:
There's talk of an "anti-pact". We definitely haven't been part of a thing like that. Our joining this war was necessisated by the following:
In order to trick fams into shooting us, Memento and a few more were daily wagging their tongue. Knowing they wanted us dead we acted first. That's all.
A thanks goes out to all our loyal members who don't hesitate a second to walk towards their destiny. A further thanks to our bloods, especially Ilimitada who has shared our fate while doing justice to the term 'blood'.
Peace out!
Fidelitas Statement:
There's talk of an "anti-pact". We definitely haven't been part of a thing like that. Our joining this war was necessisated by the following:
In order to trick fams into shooting us, Memento and a few more were daily wagging their tongue. Knowing they wanted us dead we acted first. That's all.
A thanks goes out to all our loyal members who don't hesitate a second to walk towards their destiny. A further thanks to our bloods, especially Ilimitada who has shared our fate while doing justice to the term 'blood'.
Peace out!
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Anonymous at 01:31:53 on 13/01:
That more brugs remains a myth. Pentagram was closer to your fam (I know gravano was not directly blooded to them, yet ISSP (alliance) and Messina were. You war plans about shooting pentagram leaked before. That nobody bothered to help them, should tell you, that after last version, nobody was willing to help "Nazdrovia Junior". If you had asked around, you probably would have been able to gather more fams to shoot them. And that profestum refered to shooting them before they launched their attack on Levi, should tell you a thing or two. Sorry, really adding a fail fam like Pentagram to the so called <counter pact> is highly insulting.
So you give me point two, and you actually agree with me, that you outnumber anybody else.
Point 3 is both a compliment to your side, and a criticism at the same time. You say it would kill the challenge if you added Levi, too. But honestly speaking, how many families were/are left that could actually be a threat to you and your bloods. And just look at what numbers those fams could reliable gather for an attack. And please, don't engage into <the entire version against us myth.> It would require the entire version to bring you down, but you and I know how realistic that is. Since most of the good fams are gathered on your side. So I don't really see the challenge for you guys.
Point 4. Ah, ok. But that those "Turkish as ones" "Turkish sisters" (sorry, guys, but it really is a turkish phenomenom) are more or less reliable bloods at least, is not new. It's just arguing about semantics. Just replace the word sister with bloods, and you are closer to what those really are imo.
Point 5. Yes, it really is point 3. Kuros might be a respectable fam, as far as their own fam management is concerned (that is as far as I am willing to go). But as soon as it come to working with them, you know it as well as I do, they become totally unpredictable at best. I mean, Trza had for versions the idea, he was pulling the strings and playing Marazino. I mean seriously, you want to work with a family that things bloods just exist to serve their purpose? I mean last version they abadoned their targets in a war, to start shooting Memento/Sindikat. As long as they consider their ego's to be the most important thing in the game, there's no point in even considering to work with them. They are a strategical graveyard. Like I said, it pretty much is point three.
That more brugs remains a myth. Pentagram was closer to your fam (I know gravano was not directly blooded to them, yet ISSP (alliance) and Messina were. You war plans about shooting pentagram leaked before. That nobody bothered to help them, should tell you, that after last version, nobody was willing to help "Nazdrovia Junior". If you had asked around, you probably would have been able to gather more fams to shoot them. And that profestum refered to shooting them before they launched their attack on Levi, should tell you a thing or two. Sorry, really adding a fail fam like Pentagram to the so called <counter pact> is highly insulting.
So you give me point two, and you actually agree with me, that you outnumber anybody else.
Point 3 is both a compliment to your side, and a criticism at the same time. You say it would kill the challenge if you added Levi, too. But honestly speaking, how many families were/are left that could actually be a threat to you and your bloods. And just look at what numbers those fams could reliable gather for an attack. And please, don't engage into <the entire version against us myth.> It would require the entire version to bring you down, but you and I know how realistic that is. Since most of the good fams are gathered on your side. So I don't really see the challenge for you guys.
Point 4. Ah, ok. But that those "Turkish as ones" "Turkish sisters" (sorry, guys, but it really is a turkish phenomenom) are more or less reliable bloods at least, is not new. It's just arguing about semantics. Just replace the word sister with bloods, and you are closer to what those really are imo.
Point 5. Yes, it really is point 3. Kuros might be a respectable fam, as far as their own fam management is concerned (that is as far as I am willing to go). But as soon as it come to working with them, you know it as well as I do, they become totally unpredictable at best. I mean, Trza had for versions the idea, he was pulling the strings and playing Marazino. I mean seriously, you want to work with a family that things bloods just exist to serve their purpose? I mean last version they abadoned their targets in a war, to start shooting Memento/Sindikat. As long as they consider their ego's to be the most important thing in the game, there's no point in even considering to work with them. They are a strategical graveyard. Like I said, it pretty much is point three.
You saw the proportions so dont call it a myth, Penta was blooded to Janni , and Janni had other bloods who did not jump for them (at least not when they should have) so i wonder how they were planning to have a decent comeback as a 'leading fam' this round with a group of fams like that, and i dont know what this leaked plan is perhaps u can tell me or its just another unexplained statement added like that freeride below (edited: i read ur comment) .
I also think you agree with my point two and that whole being outnumbered part , you have plenty of OB news threads to back it up .
At third point i took Levi as an example since for versions they have been the ones to use their reputation and to sacrifice themselves so they would pull a decent shooting towards us so others can win(edited) , and to answer your question , i think the threat were all those fams i counted with brugs lost , we have been working with our bloods for a long time so i dont think its right to blame us on the 'good fams' , feel free to make your fam as strong as theirs/ours anytime and once again it is not a myth if you are seeing the same scenario since countless versions ago, its almost as u want us to make it easier for everyone to win a version in any cheap , avoiding most of wars way , and i feel offended by it now.
No those are as ones and those are power added to those certain fams , it is yet again not our fault that those brugs were not fully used .
Im too tired to go on this unending circle of blaming on both sides , but since you seem like a clever champ , answer this in 3 simple points , what do you think a winner family should do to earn that place and how close to that is/was any of the fams you are backing.
Anonymous (01:59:15 - 13-01)
Anonymous at 01:31:53 on 13/01:
That more brugs remains a myth. Pentagram was closer to your fam (I know gravano was not directly blooded to them, yet ISSP (alliance) and Messina were. You war plans about shooting pentagram leaked before. That nobody bothered to help them, should tell you, that after last version, nobody was willing to help "Nazdrovia Junior". If you had asked around, you probably would have been able to gather more fams to shoot them. And that profestum refered to shooting them before they launched their attack on Levi, should tell you a thing or two. Sorry, really adding a fail fam like Pentagram to the so called <counter pact> is highly insulting.
So you give me point two, and you actually agree with me, that you outnumber anybody else.
Point 3 is both a compliment to your side, and a criticism at the same time. You say it would kill the challenge if you added Levi, too. But honestly speaking, how many families were/are left that could actually be a threat to you and your bloods. And just look at what numbers those fams could reliable gather for an attack. And please, don't engage into <the entire version against us myth.> It would require the entire version to bring you down, but you and I know how realistic that is. Since most of the good fams are gathered on your side. So I don't really see the challenge for you guys.
Point 4. Ah, ok. But that those "Turkish as ones" "Turkish sisters" (sorry, guys, but it really is a turkish phenomenom) are more or less reliable bloods at best, is not new. It's just arguing about semantics. Just replace the word sister with bloods, and you are closer to what those really are imo.
Point 5. Yes, it really is point 3. Kuros might be a respectable fam, as far as their own fam management is concerned (that is as far as I am willing to go). But as soon as it come to working with them, you know it as well as I do, they become totally unpredictable at best. I mean, Trza had for versions the idea, he was pulling the strings and playing Marazino. I mean seriously, you want to work with a family that things bloods just exist to serve their purpose? I mean last version they abadoned their targets in a war, to start shooting Memento/Sindikat. As long as they consider their ego's to be the most important thing in the game, there's no point in even considering to work with them. They are a strategical graveyard. Like I said, it pretty much is point three.
FlowzZ at 01:04:21 on 13/01:
Im confused since you are basically backing all im saying but same way trying to say the opposite , but honestly im tired of same explanations all over again and same arguing.
Now referring to your point one, i can see you misunderstood it , at no point in my comment i said they had more brugs i said "at your disposal" not "at your favor" , but i saw a comment of someone counting the loses of the other side and here u have
09-01 Omerta's New Year's Resolution: "Anti-pact" had/lost 84 Brugs
10-01 The As1 affaire: "Anti-pact" had/lost 70 Brugs+
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!: "Anti-pact" had/lost 214 Brugs+
now you have almost 400 brugs here and a KA where a LC killed our don who was a brug in top10 with bullets so feel free to relate it to to my previous #5 point. and on side note Penta was never our blood .
Point two you are saying we are too big to fail and i know numbers this version were on our favor( not a very usual thing uh) and that is only cuz ISPP came in .com but its not like 100+ brugs shot since they mostly lackey accs ,but isnt that how every version begins and yet we die outnumbered? . Its unclear to me what you want to say with that freeride , perhaps u can explain more.
Point three , i'll actually take this as a compliment , since reliable fams are working with us and there are other reliable ones who want to work too but how challenging game would have been if we blooded Levi for example .
Point four , yet again another misunderstanding ( i worry if my english is good now) , my point about the sis fam statement is that at no point in previous "old school" versions , a sis fam would abandon the main fam and at no point it would act alone shooting some family and not include main fam to it , or as some cases i can see the sis fam (as one or what ever u cancall it now since i dont even know how to call it anymore) bloods some fam that the main fam doesnt , and Grav has 6 bloods , and yes that is supposed to be too much but its how game has evolved , we too have thought fams who had 6 bloods were just exceeding their number but this is the current game .
Point five , we stay true to our bloods and our bloods stay true to us and we try to be as much 'reliable' as we can be so dont get surprised when fams like that want to work with us , but looking the game from the other perspective , i think we would all agree (relating it to my previous #3) that its Nazd's own fault about their current situation they are , and about turkuz , their name tells what their plan or ambition in this game is and i dont wanna start on their tops , kuro , no matter how people talk about them , they still stay true to their principles and it might be the only fam atm in the game that can overcome the 'hesitation barrier' on taking some action , that includes shooting some fam , inkilling high ranks , it might not be strategical but gotta at least try to respect it to them.
To close this , there is plenty of challenge but this time it is a bit harder than you are used to be.
Anonymous at 00:17:04 on 13/01:
You will win this version and deservedly because of two things. 1. Size and 2. Organization. But let's go thru your points.
1. Mere size. You can't tell me in all seriousness that your bloodlist has grown out of proportion. That's one criticism you have to face. When you finish a version with 15+ fams, then something is wrong. If those 15 fams contain as good as any Top 10 fam, then you can't (well probably you can) deny, that it's too much power gathered on one side. You assumption, "the other side" had more brugs would only be legit, IF all the fams you took out, would be working together. Pentagram+ was your bloods (or so they thought). So I am not really sure, where you get the strange idea, the others had more brugs? It's a bit beyond me, maybe you can show me the maths, that lead you to this bold conclusion.
2. Yes, I have heard this creation myth before, yet point 1 remains. You have become too big to fail. Yet, the last freeride (Pentagram) was helped/guided by you. Right?
3. Yes, that's kinda legit, but the problem is, that you have gathered most good/reliable fams. So you have numbers and organization. Sorry, but I am not sure how you consider any given version a challenge under those circumstances.
4. Oh, really? 10 bloods+ I mean, wasn't 5 a standard number. And you say, everybody else has lost the concept?
5. Yes, relates to 1) and 3). You have sucked up most of the reliable fams. Try to reverse the roles, good luck trying to organize something with families like Nazdrovia (you shoot first), Kurosawa (dumbest family to ever play this game), and lots of Turkish fams like Turkuz...
Now, really, tell me where'S the challenge?
You will win this version and deservedly because of two things. 1. Size and 2. Organization. But let's go thru your points.
1. Mere size. You can't tell me in all seriousness that your bloodlist has grown out of proportion. That's one criticism you have to face. When you finish a version with 15+ fams, then something is wrong. If those 15 fams contain as good as any Top 10 fam, then you can't (well probably you can) deny, that it's too much power gathered on one side. You assumption, "the other side" had more brugs would only be legit, IF all the fams you took out, would be working together. Pentagram+ was your bloods (or so they thought). So I am not really sure, where you get the strange idea, the others had more brugs? It's a bit beyond me, maybe you can show me the maths, that lead you to this bold conclusion.
2. Yes, I have heard this creation myth before, yet point 1 remains. You have become too big to fail. Yet, the last freeride (Pentagram) was helped/guided by you. Right?
3. Yes, that's kinda legit, but the problem is, that you have gathered most good/reliable fams. So you have numbers and organization. Sorry, but I am not sure how you consider any given version a challenge under those circumstances.
4. Oh, really? 10 bloods+ I mean, wasn't 5 a standard number. And you say, everybody else has lost the concept?
5. Yes, relates to 1) and 3). You have sucked up most of the reliable fams. Try to reverse the roles, good luck trying to organize something with families like Nazdrovia (you shoot first), Kurosawa (dumbest family to ever play this game), and lots of Turkish fams like Turkuz...
Now, really, tell me where'S the challenge?
Im confused since you are basically backing all im saying but same way trying to say the opposite , but honestly im tired of same explanations all over again and same arguing.
Now referring to your point one, i can see you misunderstood it , at no point in my comment i said they had more brugs i said "at your disposal" not "at your favor" , but i saw a comment of someone counting the loses of the other side and here u have
09-01 Omerta's New Year's Resolution: "Anti-pact" had/lost 84 Brugs
10-01 The As1 affaire: "Anti-pact" had/lost 70 Brugs+
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!: "Anti-pact" had/lost 214 Brugs+
now you have almost 400 brugs here and a KA where a LC killed our don who was a brug in top10 with bullets so feel free to relate it to to my previous #5 point. and on side note Penta was never our blood .
Point two you are saying we are too big to fail and i know numbers this version were on our favor( not a very usual thing uh) and that is only cuz ISPP came in .com but its not like 100+ brugs shot since they mostly lackey accs ,but isnt that how every version begins and yet we die outnumbered? . Its unclear to me what you want to say with that freeride , perhaps u can explain more.
Point three , i'll actually take this as a compliment , since reliable fams are working with us and there are other reliable ones who want to work too but how challenging game would have been if we blooded Levi for example .
Point four , yet again another misunderstanding ( i worry if my english is good now) , my point about the sis fam statement is that at no point in previous "old school" versions , a sis fam would abandon the main fam and at no point it would act alone shooting some family and not include main fam to it , or as some cases i can see the sis fam (as one or what ever u cancall it now since i dont even know how to call it anymore) bloods some fam that the main fam doesnt , and Grav has 6 bloods , and yes that is supposed to be too much but its how game has evolved , we too have thought fams who had 6 bloods were just exceeding their number but this is the current game .
Point five , we stay true to our bloods and our bloods stay true to us and we try to be as much 'reliable' as we can be so dont get surprised when fams like that want to work with us , but looking the game from the other perspective , i think we would all agree (relating it to my previous #3) that its Nazd's own fault about their current situation they are , and about turkuz , their name tells what their plan or ambition in this game is and i dont wanna start on their tops , kuro , no matter how people talk about them , they still stay true to their principles and it might be the only fam atm in the game that can overcome the 'hesitation barrier' on taking some action , that includes shooting some fam , inkilling high ranks , it might not be strategical but gotta at least try to respect it to them.
To close this , there is plenty of challenge but this time it is a bit harder than you are used to be.
That more brugs remains a myth. Pentagram was closer to your fam (I know gravano was not directly blooded to them, yet ISSP (alliance) and Messina were. You war plans about shooting pentagram leaked before. That nobody bothered to help them, should tell you, that after last version, nobody was willing to help "Nazdrovia Junior". If you had asked around, you probably would have been able to gather more fams to shoot them. And that profestum refered to shooting them before they launched their attack on Levi, should tell you a thing or two. Sorry, really adding a fail fam like Pentagram to the so called <counter pact> is highly insulting.
So you give me point two, and you actually agree with me, that you outnumber anybody else.
Point 3 is both a compliment to your side, and a criticism at the same time. You say it would kill the challenge if you added Levi, too. But honestly speaking, how many families were/are left that could actually be a threat to you and your bloods. And just look at what numbers those fams could reliable gather for an attack. And please, don't engage into <the entire version against us myth.> It would require the entire version to bring you down, but you and I know how realistic that is. Since most of the good fams are gathered on your side. So I don't really see the challenge for you guys.
Point 4. Ah, ok. But that those "Turkish as ones" "Turkish sisters" (sorry, guys, but it really is a turkish phenomenom) are more or less reliable bloods at best, is not new. It's just arguing about semantics. Just replace the word sister with bloods, and you are closer to what those really are imo.
Point 5. Yes, it really is point 3. Kuros might be a respectable fam, as far as their own fam management is concerned (that is as far as I am willing to go). But as soon as it come to working with them, you know it as well as I do, they become totally unpredictable at best. I mean, Trza had for versions the idea, he was pulling the strings and playing Marazino. I mean seriously, you want to work with a family that things bloods just exist to serve their purpose? I mean last version they abadoned their targets in a war, to start shooting Memento/Sindikat. As long as they consider their ego's to be the most important thing in the game, there's no point in even considering to work with them. They are a strategical graveyard. Like I said, it pretty much is point three.
edited.
P.s.
you wanted me to elaborate on the freeride last version.
We all know, you (messina/monte/grava/liberta) helped Pentagram organizing wars etc. You and I know, without somebody helping them with those stuff, they would not have been able to survive. And Free Rides. We all agree on, they did not really deserve to win last version, they avoided serious wars, which would have endangered them and just shot wounded/empty fams. Much like Nazdrovia. You guys helped smurfdolf, you just did not foresee him asoneing any turkish fam which could not hide fast enough. Or as profestum called it, by playing on both sides. Freeriding to victory.
Anonymous (01:31:53 - 13-01)
FlowzZ at 01:04:21 on 13/01:
Im confused since you are basically backing all im saying but same way trying to say the opposite , but honestly im tired of same explanations all over again and same arguing.
Now referring to your point one, i can see you misunderstood it , at no point in my comment i said they had more brugs i said "at your disposal" not "at your favor" , but i saw a comment of someone counting the loses of the other side and here u have
09-01 Omerta's New Year's Resolution: "Anti-pact" had/lost 84 Brugs
10-01 The As1 affaire: "Anti-pact" had/lost 70 Brugs+
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!: "Anti-pact" had/lost 214 Brugs+
now you have almost 400 brugs here and a KA where a LC killed our don who was a brug in top10 with bullets so feel free to relate it to to my previous #5 point. and on side note Penta was never our blood .
Point two you are saying we are too big to fail and i know numbers this version were on our favor( not a very usual thing uh) and that is only cuz ISPP came in .com but its not like 100+ brugs shot since they mostly lackey accs ,but isnt that how every version begins and yet we die outnumbered? . Its unclear to me what you want to say with that freeride , perhaps u can explain more.
Point three , i'll actually take this as a compliment , since reliable fams are working with us and there are other reliable ones who want to work too but how challenging game would have been if we blooded Levi for example .
Point four , yet again another misunderstanding ( i worry if my english is good now) , my point about the sis fam statement is that at no point in previous "old school" versions , a sis fam would abandon the main fam and at no point it would act alone shooting some family and not include main fam to it , or as some cases i can see the sis fam (as one or what ever u cancall it now since i dont even know how to call it anymore) bloods some fam that the main fam doesnt , and Grav has 6 bloods , and yes that is supposed to be too much but its how game has evolved , we too have thought fams who had 6 bloods were just exceeding their number but this is the current game .
Point five , we stay true to our bloods and our bloods stay true to us and we try to be as much 'reliable' as we can be so dont get surprised when fams like that want to work with us , but looking the game from the other perspective , i think we would all agree (relating it to my previous #3) that its Nazd's own fault about their current situation they are , and about turkuz , their name tells what their plan or ambition in this game is and i dont wanna start on their tops , kuro , no matter how people talk about them , they still stay true to their principles and it might be the only fam atm in the game that can overcome the 'hesitation barrier' on taking some action , that includes shooting some fam , inkilling high ranks , it might not be strategical but gotta at least try to respect it to them.
To close this , there is plenty of challenge but this time it is a bit harder than you are used to be.
Anonymous at 00:17:04 on 13/01:
You will win this version and deservedly because of two things. 1. Size and 2. Organization. But let's go thru your points.
1. Mere size. You can't tell me in all seriousness that your bloodlist has grown out of proportion. That's one criticism you have to face. When you finish a version with 15+ fams, then something is wrong. If those 15 fams contain as good as any Top 10 fam, then you can't (well probably you can) deny, that it's too much power gathered on one side. You assumption, "the other side" had more brugs would only be legit, IF all the fams you took out, would be working together. Pentagram+ was your bloods (or so they thought). So I am not really sure, where you get the strange idea, the others had more brugs? It's a bit beyond me, maybe you can show me the maths, that lead you to this bold conclusion.
2. Yes, I have heard this creation myth before, yet point 1 remains. You have become too big to fail. Yet, the last freeride (Pentagram) was helped/guided by you. Right?
3. Yes, that's kinda legit, but the problem is, that you have gathered most good/reliable fams. So you have numbers and organization. Sorry, but I am not sure how you consider any given version a challenge under those circumstances.
4. Oh, really? 10 bloods+ I mean, wasn't 5 a standard number. And you say, everybody else has lost the concept?
5. Yes, relates to 1) and 3). You have sucked up most of the reliable fams. Try to reverse the roles, good luck trying to organize something with families like Nazdrovia (you shoot first), Kurosawa (dumbest family to ever play this game), and lots of Turkish fams like Turkuz...
Now, really, tell me where'S the challenge?
You will win this version and deservedly because of two things. 1. Size and 2. Organization. But let's go thru your points.
1. Mere size. You can't tell me in all seriousness that your bloodlist has grown out of proportion. That's one criticism you have to face. When you finish a version with 15+ fams, then something is wrong. If those 15 fams contain as good as any Top 10 fam, then you can't (well probably you can) deny, that it's too much power gathered on one side. You assumption, "the other side" had more brugs would only be legit, IF all the fams you took out, would be working together. Pentagram+ was your bloods (or so they thought). So I am not really sure, where you get the strange idea, the others had more brugs? It's a bit beyond me, maybe you can show me the maths, that lead you to this bold conclusion.
2. Yes, I have heard this creation myth before, yet point 1 remains. You have become too big to fail. Yet, the last freeride (Pentagram) was helped/guided by you. Right?
3. Yes, that's kinda legit, but the problem is, that you have gathered most good/reliable fams. So you have numbers and organization. Sorry, but I am not sure how you consider any given version a challenge under those circumstances.
4. Oh, really? 10 bloods+ I mean, wasn't 5 a standard number. And you say, everybody else has lost the concept?
5. Yes, relates to 1) and 3). You have sucked up most of the reliable fams. Try to reverse the roles, good luck trying to organize something with families like Nazdrovia (you shoot first), Kurosawa (dumbest family to ever play this game), and lots of Turkish fams like Turkuz...
Now, really, tell me where'S the challenge?
Im confused since you are basically backing all im saying but same way trying to say the opposite , but honestly im tired of same explanations all over again and same arguing.
Now referring to your point one, i can see you misunderstood it , at no point in my comment i said they had more brugs i said "at your disposal" not "at your favor" , but i saw a comment of someone counting the loses of the other side and here u have
09-01 Omerta's New Year's Resolution: "Anti-pact" had/lost 84 Brugs
10-01 The As1 affaire: "Anti-pact" had/lost 70 Brugs+
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!: "Anti-pact" had/lost 214 Brugs+
now you have almost 400 brugs here and a KA where a LC killed our don who was a brug in top10 with bullets so feel free to relate it to to my previous #5 point. and on side note Penta was never our blood .
Point two you are saying we are too big to fail and i know numbers this version were on our favor( not a very usual thing uh) and that is only cuz ISPP came in .com but its not like 100+ brugs shot since they mostly lackey accs ,but isnt that how every version begins and yet we die outnumbered? . Its unclear to me what you want to say with that freeride , perhaps u can explain more.
Point three , i'll actually take this as a compliment , since reliable fams are working with us and there are other reliable ones who want to work too but how challenging game would have been if we blooded Levi for example .
Point four , yet again another misunderstanding ( i worry if my english is good now) , my point about the sis fam statement is that at no point in previous "old school" versions , a sis fam would abandon the main fam and at no point it would act alone shooting some family and not include main fam to it , or as some cases i can see the sis fam (as one or what ever u cancall it now since i dont even know how to call it anymore) bloods some fam that the main fam doesnt , and Grav has 6 bloods , and yes that is supposed to be too much but its how game has evolved , we too have thought fams who had 6 bloods were just exceeding their number but this is the current game .
Point five , we stay true to our bloods and our bloods stay true to us and we try to be as much 'reliable' as we can be so dont get surprised when fams like that want to work with us , but looking the game from the other perspective , i think we would all agree (relating it to my previous #3) that its Nazd's own fault about their current situation they are , and about turkuz , their name tells what their plan or ambition in this game is and i dont wanna start on their tops , kuro , no matter how people talk about them , they still stay true to their principles and it might be the only fam atm in the game that can overcome the 'hesitation barrier' on taking some action , that includes shooting some fam , inkilling high ranks , it might not be strategical but gotta at least try to respect it to them.
To close this , there is plenty of challenge but this time it is a bit harder than you are used to be.
That more brugs remains a myth. Pentagram was closer to your fam (I know gravano was not directly blooded to them, yet ISSP (alliance) and Messina were. You war plans about shooting pentagram leaked before. That nobody bothered to help them, should tell you, that after last version, nobody was willing to help "Nazdrovia Junior". If you had asked around, you probably would have been able to gather more fams to shoot them. And that profestum refered to shooting them before they launched their attack on Levi, should tell you a thing or two. Sorry, really adding a fail fam like Pentagram to the so called <counter pact> is highly insulting.
So you give me point two, and you actually agree with me, that you outnumber anybody else.
Point 3 is both a compliment to your side, and a criticism at the same time. You say it would kill the challenge if you added Levi, too. But honestly speaking, how many families were/are left that could actually be a threat to you and your bloods. And just look at what numbers those fams could reliable gather for an attack. And please, don't engage into <the entire version against us myth.> It would require the entire version to bring you down, but you and I know how realistic that is. Since most of the good fams are gathered on your side. So I don't really see the challenge for you guys.
Point 4. Ah, ok. But that those "Turkish as ones" "Turkish sisters" (sorry, guys, but it really is a turkish phenomenom) are more or less reliable bloods at least, is not new. It's just arguing about semantics. Just replace the word sister with bloods, and you are closer to what those really are imo.
Point 5. Yes, it really is point 3. Kuros might be a respectable fam, as far as their own fam management is concerned (that is as far as I am willing to go). But as soon as it come to working with them, you know it as well as I do, they become totally unpredictable at best. I mean, Trza had for versions the idea, he was pulling the strings and playing Marazino. I mean seriously, you want to work with a family that things bloods just exist to serve their purpose? I mean last version they abadoned their targets in a war, to start shooting Memento/Sindikat. As long as they consider their ego's to be the most important thing in the game, there's no point in even considering to work with them. They are a strategical graveyard. Like I said, it pretty much is point three.
`Donalo`Sixx at 01:17:43 on 13/01:
Saying that one side is unskilled or something is pretty ignorant.
Saying that one side is unskilled or something is pretty ignorant.
I think we both know which fams im referring and what quality those fams consist .
Wanna know a secret? Big bloodlists, alliances and such are as old as Omerta is itself.
It's always been there and it's never going to change, it's a form of protection.
Don't believe it?
Check out the 1.0 fampage of Bruinsma
http://news.omertabeyond.com/images/famhistory/bruinsma/bruinsma1.jpg
4 fam alliance - 4 bloodbrothers - 8 allies.
The big thing that changed is the way that families value their bloods and such which obviously differs very much per familiy nowadays. Probably the biggest difference is that some families are trying to win the whole version in 1 war.
It's always been there and it's never going to change, it's a form of protection.
Don't believe it?
Check out the 1.0 fampage of Bruinsma
http://news.omertabeyond.com/images/famhistory/bruinsma/bruinsma1.jpg
4 fam alliance - 4 bloodbrothers - 8 allies.
The big thing that changed is the way that families value their bloods and such which obviously differs very much per familiy nowadays. Probably the biggest difference is that some families are trying to win the whole version in 1 war.
Im really tired of seeing this "we only blooded 5 fams" argument. Number of bloods is not the issue. The issue is that your bloods are #1 #3 #6 #9 #11 for example or that "one" of your bloods is in fact 5 families (ISPP) with over 100 bruglione. The issue is that you continually form a core group of 5 or so families which all blood each other yet also take 1/2 additional puppet bloods (always in the top 20 fams at least) each that the core can drag in whenever they please. Also all this talk about organisation. It is a basic fact that is easier to organise 5 40 brug families to shoot in a war than it is to organise 20 10 brug families, especially when many of the 10 brug families are naturally suspicious of each other and may not even like each other and often try to screw each other over. Its true both groups have the same potential but there are far more barriers to overcome to achieve success. The more moving parts in a machine the more complicated it is and more likely to break.
Im not blaming one group or another but this is the reality of the game. Saying that one side is unskilled or something is pretty ignorant.
Im not blaming one group or another but this is the reality of the game. Saying that one side is unskilled or something is pretty ignorant.
Anonymous at 00:17:04 on 13/01:
You will win this version and deservedly because of two things. 1. Size and 2. Organization. But let's go thru your points.
1. Mere size. You can't tell me in all seriousness that your bloodlist has grown out of proportion. That's one criticism you have to face. When you finish a version with 15+ fams, then something is wrong. If those 15 fams contain as good as any Top 10 fam, then you can't (well probably you can) deny, that it's too much power gathered on one side. You assumption, "the other side" had more brugs would only be legit, IF all the fams you took out, would be working together. Pentagram+ was your bloods (or so they thought). So I am not really sure, where you get the strange idea, the others had more brugs? It's a bit beyond me, maybe you can show me the maths, that lead you to this bold conclusion.
2. Yes, I have heard this creation myth before, yet point 1 remains. You have become too big to fail. Yet, the last freeride (Pentagram) was helped/guided by you. Right?
3. Yes, that's kinda legit, but the problem is, that you have gathered most good/reliable fams. So you have numbers and organization. Sorry, but I am not sure how you consider any given version a challenge under those circumstances.
4. Oh, really? 10 bloods+ I mean, wasn't 5 a standard number. And you say, everybody else has lost the concept?
5. Yes, relates to 1) and 3). You have sucked up most of the reliable fams. Try to reverse the roles, good luck trying to organize something with families like Nazdrovia (you shoot first), Kurosawa (dumbest family to ever play this game), and lots of Turkish fams like Turkuz...
Now, really, tell me where'S the challenge?
You will win this version and deservedly because of two things. 1. Size and 2. Organization. But let's go thru your points.
1. Mere size. You can't tell me in all seriousness that your bloodlist has grown out of proportion. That's one criticism you have to face. When you finish a version with 15+ fams, then something is wrong. If those 15 fams contain as good as any Top 10 fam, then you can't (well probably you can) deny, that it's too much power gathered on one side. You assumption, "the other side" had more brugs would only be legit, IF all the fams you took out, would be working together. Pentagram+ was your bloods (or so they thought). So I am not really sure, where you get the strange idea, the others had more brugs? It's a bit beyond me, maybe you can show me the maths, that lead you to this bold conclusion.
2. Yes, I have heard this creation myth before, yet point 1 remains. You have become too big to fail. Yet, the last freeride (Pentagram) was helped/guided by you. Right?
3. Yes, that's kinda legit, but the problem is, that you have gathered most good/reliable fams. So you have numbers and organization. Sorry, but I am not sure how you consider any given version a challenge under those circumstances.
4. Oh, really? 10 bloods+ I mean, wasn't 5 a standard number. And you say, everybody else has lost the concept?
5. Yes, relates to 1) and 3). You have sucked up most of the reliable fams. Try to reverse the roles, good luck trying to organize something with families like Nazdrovia (you shoot first), Kurosawa (dumbest family to ever play this game), and lots of Turkish fams like Turkuz...
Now, really, tell me where'S the challenge?
Im confused since you are basically backing all im saying but same way trying to say the opposite , but honestly im tired of same explanations all over again and same arguing.
Now referring to your point one, i can see you misunderstood it , at no point in my comment i said they had more brugs i said "at your disposal" not "at your favor" , but i saw a comment of someone counting the loses of the other side and here u have
09-01 Omerta's New Year's Resolution: "Anti-pact" had/lost 84 Brugs
10-01 The As1 affaire: "Anti-pact" had/lost 70 Brugs+
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!: "Anti-pact" had/lost 214 Brugs+
now you have almost 400 brugs here and a KA where a LC killed our don who was a brug in top10 with bullets so feel free to relate it to to my previous #5 point. and on side note Penta was never our blood .
Point two you are saying we are too big to fail and i know numbers this version were on our favor( not a very usual thing uh) and that is only cuz ISPP came in .com but its not like 100+ brugs shot since they mostly lackey accs ,but isnt that how every version begins and yet we die outnumbered? . Its unclear to me what you want to say with that freeride , perhaps u can explain more.
Point three , i'll actually take this as a compliment , since reliable fams are working with us and there are other reliable ones who want to work too but how challenging game would have been if we blooded Levi for example .
Point four , yet again another misunderstanding ( i worry if my english is good now) , my point about the sis fam statement is that at no point in previous "old school" versions , a sis fam would abandon the main fam and at no point it would act alone shooting some family and not include main fam to it , or as some cases i can see the sis fam (as one or what ever u cancall it now since i dont even know how to call it anymore) bloods some fam that the main fam doesnt , and Grav has 6 bloods , and yes that is supposed to be too much but its how game has evolved , we too have thought fams who had 6 bloods were just exceeding their number but this is the current game .
Point five , we stay true to our bloods and our bloods stay true to us and we try to be as much 'reliable' as we can be so dont get surprised when fams like that want to work with us , but looking the game from the other perspective , i think we would all agree (relating it to my previous #3) that its Nazd's own fault about their current situation they are , and about turkuz , their name tells what their plan or ambition in this game is and i dont wanna start on their tops , kuro , no matter how people talk about them , they still stay true to their principles and it might be the only fam atm in the game that can overcome the 'hesitation barrier' on taking some action , that includes shooting some fam , inkilling high ranks , it might not be strategical but gotta at least try to respect it to them.
To close this , there is plenty of challenge but this time it is a bit harder than you are used to be.
to be honest i don't get why some people are saying bad things about Lucchese, they played their game great imo, got a large playerbase, some loyal bloods. Don't blame them for the so called ''pact'' rather blame those fams who are not bloods with the families and still choose to counter for them, that is what is creating this so called ''pact'' simply because some families likes to be pets of bigger families... just my thoughts. I could be wrong tho and there could be some deal that i don't know anything about ;)
This new term, the anti-pact, is one of the stupidest things i've heard. Furthermore, the complaining about the good old days of small one on one wars are gone unless involving some minor non-consequential fam. People seem hung up on blood lists, as though this defines the pact fams. Blood lists do not even really matter. Particularly when dealing with fams or fam tops that have been playing together for several years. The name of the fam doesnt even matter. Many connections have been made over the years. Now it is known that to shoot some fams, there will be a counter by the fams friends. Most fams know this and therefore set plans for a counter to the counter. There is nothing that can be done about this. Yes, the war will end up with most of Omerta involved, and someone is gonna lose, and someone is gonna cry. All of this is normal. So, for the ones that lose, just make a new acct, plan for next version, or retire forever.
Anonymous at 00:30:03 on 13/01:
Let's see.
ISSP are 4 fams alone. (I know you only get them as a whole)
Messina 5.
Gravano 6.
Marazzino 7.
Tataglia/Liberta 8.
Righelli 9.
Cristeria 10.
Memento 11.
*headache mode on*
Don't tell me also those fams, who not directly blooded to you, wouldn't jump when just Lucchese was under attack. That's complete BS. We saw it last version, when just a few fams (Gravano and Messina) were targeted. And all hell broke lose and fams with no direct ties to those fams jumped in.
Let's see.
ISSP are 4 fams alone. (I know you only get them as a whole)
Messina 5.
Gravano 6.
Marazzino 7.
Tataglia/Liberta 8.
Righelli 9.
Cristeria 10.
Memento 11.
*headache mode on*
Don't tell me also those fams, who not directly blooded to you, wouldn't jump when just Lucchese was under attack. That's complete BS. We saw it last version, when just a few fams (Gravano and Messina) were targeted. And all hell broke lose and fams with no direct ties to those fams jumped in.
im sorry but did the hell broke loose when lucchese got shot? or did the hell broke lose when Pentagram etc got shot?
this is one of the largest wars in omerta history, since your poor alone fams got shot.. and you keep saying hell being broken lose.. please m8..
Anonymous (00:30:03 - 13-01)
karmi at 00:21:56 on 13/01:
you keep saying "you guys from the last version".. we didnt play last version.. even if we played last version, i still cannot comment on what Messina or Gravano or another family did.. because its their own business..
if i may start my explanation with your prejudiced statement : <We had to grow bigger because of the Turkish asone threat> , i find this very funny because what you are talking about is not a Turkish as-one threat, it is the pact itself (in my point of view) which you called it "anti-pact" at your first statement..
our "hillarious bloodings" are yes indeed hillarious, since we are blooding the same 4-5 fams almost each version we play, which is a great sign of loyalty imo.. we never blooded more than 10 fams like the "anti-pact".. however the families you are defending almost blooded and agreed on non-shooting with the whole omerta..
when we come to your Turkuz and Pentagram dying alone story, i dont want to blame anyone here, but you also know the war plans leaked and some families backed out from the plan..
and those who backed out, i am afraid, were the families you are talking about..
you talk like last 3 wars havent happen in 3 consecutive days..
i find it wrong to talk like each war was independent from each other, since this is a lie, and there might be a thousand reasons that i cannot know why those families havent reacted at the first place, and other families as you defend which are NOT a pact but "the" anti-pact, but in the end all of these wars happened day after day so there were no weeks or months passed which might be a good reason for you to re-think your Pentagram and Turkuz story..
i cannot answer your question also for another reason, because i cant really understand how the "anti-pact" makes their strategies.. i found it very strange when Pentagram deleted their as one from their fampage while it was being shot and making their as one change their fam page too saying, "there are no bloods nor as one".. i think this story is more hillarious than the story with our loyal bloods..
maybe you should re-consider the strategies of the poor anti-pact and than tell me the answer yourself, since i am really not gonna be able to give you the answer..
Anonymous at 23:36:08 on 12/01:
Again that self-denial mode.
<We had to grow bigger because of the Turkish asone threat>
Two things:
You guys made last versions Turkish as ones possible. Messina/Gravano/Monte helped their bloods Pentagram with planning and organizing wars after they themselves were down. I am not sure how often I have to repeat that. That they started to add one Turkish fam after another to survive last version, well that was something your masterminds did not foresee.
Anyway, not my point. Those as-one faggotry from last version as reason for expanding your bloodlist to protect yourself from the Turkish anti-pact? Sorry, to disturb your delusions of being the good guys, and you are just circumstancial victims of your hillarious bloodings, but let's get back to bare facts:
If such a big turkish anti-pact existed, can you please explain to all of us, WHY the Turkuz and Pentagram alliances died alone, without any help/backup.
I mean not even somebody from Lucchese can be that thick to totally blackout that fact. So please Karmi, explain it to me, please. I am like super curious of how you explain it.
Again that self-denial mode.
<We had to grow bigger because of the Turkish asone threat>
Two things:
You guys made last versions Turkish as ones possible. Messina/Gravano/Monte helped their bloods Pentagram with planning and organizing wars after they themselves were down. I am not sure how often I have to repeat that. That they started to add one Turkish fam after another to survive last version, well that was something your masterminds did not foresee.
Anyway, not my point. Those as-one faggotry from last version as reason for expanding your bloodlist to protect yourself from the Turkish anti-pact? Sorry, to disturb your delusions of being the good guys, and you are just circumstancial victims of your hillarious bloodings, but let's get back to bare facts:
If such a big turkish anti-pact existed, can you please explain to all of us, WHY the Turkuz and Pentagram alliances died alone, without any help/backup.
I mean not even somebody from Lucchese can be that thick to totally blackout that fact. So please Karmi, explain it to me, please. I am like super curious of how you explain it.
you keep saying "you guys from the last version".. we didnt play last version.. even if we played last version, i still cannot comment on what Messina or Gravano or another family did.. because its their own business..
if i may start my explanation with your prejudiced statement : <We had to grow bigger because of the Turkish asone threat> , i find this very funny because what you are talking about is not a Turkish as-one threat, it is the pact itself (in my point of view) which you called it "anti-pact" at your first statement..
our "hillarious bloodings" are yes indeed hillarious, since we are blooding the same 4-5 fams almost each version we play, which is a great sign of loyalty imo.. we never blooded more than 10 fams like the "anti-pact".. however the families you are defending almost blooded and agreed on non-shooting with the whole omerta..
when we come to your Turkuz and Pentagram dying alone story, i dont want to blame anyone here, but you also know the war plans leaked and some families backed out from the plan..
and those who backed out, i am afraid, were the families you are talking about..
you talk like last 3 wars havent happen in 3 consecutive days..
i find it wrong to talk like each war was independent from each other, since this is a lie, and there might be a thousand reasons that i cannot know why those families havent reacted at the first place, and other families as you defend which are NOT a pact but "the" anti-pact, but in the end all of these wars happened day after day so there were no weeks or months passed which might be a good reason for you to re-think your Pentagram and Turkuz story..
i cannot answer your question also for another reason, because i cant really understand how the "anti-pact" makes their strategies.. i found it very strange when Pentagram deleted their as one from their fampage while it was being shot and making their as one change their fam page too saying, "there are no bloods nor as one".. i think this story is more hillarious than the story with our loyal bloods..
maybe you should re-consider the strategies of the poor anti-pact and than tell me the answer yourself, since i am really not gonna be able to give you the answer..
Let's see.
ISSP are 4 fams alone. (I know you only get them as a whole)
Messina 5.
Gravano 6.
Marazzino 7.
Tataglia/Liberta 8.
Righelli 9.
Cristeria 10.
Memento 11.
*headache mode on*
Don't tell me also those fams, who not directly blooded to you, wouldn't jump when just Lucchese was under attack. That's complete BS. We saw it last version, when just a few fams (Gravano and Messina) were targeted. And all hell broke lose and fams with no direct ties to those fams jumped in.
Anonymous at 23:36:08 on 12/01:
Again that self-denial mode.
<We had to grow bigger because of the Turkish asone threat>
Two things:
You guys made last versions Turkish as ones possible. Messina/Gravano/Monte helped their bloods Pentagram with planning and organizing wars after they themselves were down. I am not sure how often I have to repeat that. That they started to add one Turkish fam after another to survive last version, well that was something your masterminds did not foresee.
Anyway, not my point. Those as-one faggotry from last version as reason for expanding your bloodlist to protect yourself from the Turkish anti-pact? Sorry, to disturb your delusions of being the good guys, and you are just circumstancial victims of your hillarious bloodings, but let's get back to bare facts:
If such a big turkish anti-pact existed, can you please explain to all of us, WHY the Turkuz and Pentagram alliances died alone, without any help/backup.
I mean not even somebody from Lucchese can be that thick to totally blackout that fact. So please Karmi, explain it to me, please. I am like super curious of how you explain it.
Again that self-denial mode.
<We had to grow bigger because of the Turkish asone threat>
Two things:
You guys made last versions Turkish as ones possible. Messina/Gravano/Monte helped their bloods Pentagram with planning and organizing wars after they themselves were down. I am not sure how often I have to repeat that. That they started to add one Turkish fam after another to survive last version, well that was something your masterminds did not foresee.
Anyway, not my point. Those as-one faggotry from last version as reason for expanding your bloodlist to protect yourself from the Turkish anti-pact? Sorry, to disturb your delusions of being the good guys, and you are just circumstancial victims of your hillarious bloodings, but let's get back to bare facts:
If such a big turkish anti-pact existed, can you please explain to all of us, WHY the Turkuz and Pentagram alliances died alone, without any help/backup.
I mean not even somebody from Lucchese can be that thick to totally blackout that fact. So please Karmi, explain it to me, please. I am like super curious of how you explain it.
you keep saying "you guys from the last version".. we didnt play last version.. even if we played last version, i still cannot comment on what Messina or Gravano or another family did.. because its their own business..
if i may start my explanation with your prejudiced statement : <We had to grow bigger because of the Turkish asone threat> , i find this very funny because what you are talking about is not a Turkish as-one threat, it is the pact itself (in my point of view) which you called it "anti-pact" at your first statement..
our "hillarious bloodings" are yes indeed hillarious, since we are blooding the same 4-5 fams almost each version we play, which is a great sign of loyalty imo.. we never blooded more than 10 fams like the "anti-pact".. however the families you are defending almost blooded and agreed on non-shooting with the whole omerta..
when we come to your Turkuz and Pentagram dying alone story, i dont want to blame anyone here, but you also know the war plans leaked and some families backed out from the plan..
and those who backed out, i am afraid, were the families you are talking about..
you talk like last 3 wars havent happen in 3 consecutive days..
i find it wrong to talk like each war was independent from each other, since this is a lie, and there might be a thousand reasons that i cannot know why those families havent reacted at the first place, and other families as you defend which are NOT a pact but "the" anti-pact, but in the end all of these wars happened day after day so there were no weeks or months passed which might be a good reason for you to re-think your Pentagram and Turkuz story..
i cannot answer your question also for another reason, because i cant really understand how the "anti-pact" makes their strategies.. i found it very strange when Pentagram deleted their as one from their fampage while it was being shot and making their as one change their fam page too saying, "there are no bloods nor as one".. i think this story is more hillarious than the story with our loyal bloods..
maybe you should re-consider the strategies of the poor anti-pact and than tell me the answer yourself, since i am really not gonna be able to give you the answer..
Wanna know a secret? Big bloodlists, alliances and such are as old as Omerta is itself.
It's always been there and it's never going to change, it's a form of protection.
Don't believe it?
Check out the 1.0 fampage of Bruinsma
http://news.omertabeyond.com/images/famhistory/bruinsma/bruinsma1.jpg
4 fam alliance - 4 bloodbrothers - 8 allies.
The big thing that changed is the way that families value their bloods and such which obviously differs very much per familiy nowadays. Probably the biggest difference is that some families are trying to win the whole version in 1 war.
you just seem to forget one thing: back in the glory days of omerta if you had a group like that pic shows, you certainly did not have half of all the highranks in the game available ... I don't know 1.0 specifics cause I never played that one, but 2.0/2.1/2.2 there were plenty of pacts/alliances/blood groups it just didn't split the game into 2 sides, like it almost seems to be the case in current versions.
It's not just that, the two main differences with those version is:
1. Players didn't know/work with each other for years and years, families constantly tried to screw each other over which made for a far more dynamic game.
2. Individual families actually tried to make a name for themselves, one way or the other. It wasn't necessarily about winning, hell Omerta is supposed to be without resets, a game that could go on forever.
You do backstabs , leaks , personal vendettas and you still wonder why some other fams dont want to work with you or shoot with you or even defend you if it suited their strategical plan well.
Comments like this just irk me the wrong way. People in here seem to forget that this is supposed to be a goddamn mafia game. So what if you backstab, leak and have personal vendettas? Isn't that what this whole thing is about?
Fuck other fams/pacts/alliances besides your own, I miss the times where this game wasn't about 'winning' a version with one side or the other.