I agree Johnny that it ain't my style either and I hate it to. But if that is they way the game it's played nowadays, we have to adapt! Bulletlackey works fine, as long as you have money. About 8k a day if you have the money, which many accounts don;t have because they don't do heists, oc and moc with the lackeyaccount. So indeed, many brugs are stuck with like 50k bullets...

But if you could organise to get ppl online during the night in 2.7 or even before, why not anymore, while they are still your members? If they are loyal and threat them right, and not how many tops do, you will gain real loyalty and they will join. Your top is like 5-8 ppl? ;) So, then you need 5-10 more. You are from an old fam with probably players who are already in your fam from the start... Why can't you get them online? they are triggerhappy you say...

And nope, not gonna say which fam I am. Don't think it does add something to the discussion. And yes, around since 2.1 and been tops in several fams. Nope, not loyal to only 1, due to different circumstances. ;)

arcanine why is donatello still alive?????

Haha, another complainer of the old and dead fams? Bullshit you need 4 to kill on taget. how many died shooting Desteny? And yes, perhaps you need 15 instead of 10, but don't say it ain't possible! Did you ever tried it?

LOL, exactly the respons I expected! How predictable! :P So you say only top 10 fams have objects and that huggers are stronger? Gaining the cash is not that hard, you know that. I think you have a huggerproblem, since you only complain about huggers, huggers and huggers... It's about 600k a target for dets, 20 targets, so like 12 million a target. If all 10 ppl search it will cost about 120 million, which is easy money for a strong fam. if you can't agree that your fam, who had roullie's in the past, didn't have 120 million, you must retire directly! :P

Not all 10 shooters have to shoot, remember? They only have to hire, so they can shoot successors! If you preshoot, then you have to shoot like 6 times in total before fam dies. if not, perhaps 10 max! :) So you say that the Don of sisfam presi was easy target? Lol, know your facts please! And secondly, destiny was easy target? Just learn some planning and keep tracing and tracking during the shooting. And if you are in a top 10 position yourself from the start, why not shooting all threats with the 5 bloods you have down as soon as they become stronger. Questions for you: Did you ever tried the above? Secondly, how many times did you shot in the morning/night?

Well you got some points right, but again not completely.
It's quite easy finding 8-10 fams (in normal version) or 20-30 fams (in version like this) to shoot with you. That's not a new style or old style, outnumbering massively always did happen. Imo you could still do now 3 vs 1 if you plan it good. Problem is families with absolutely no idea what are they doing and why are they up. Those fams are the problem. Then take a look at this massive blooding which happens. When you see bloods shooting bloods it becomes clear to you those bloods are just made to try to be safe. And again bloods vs bloods is imo one of best things that could happen in this version, it shows that families still have their own agenda. Now you get bunch of fams who are scared to shoot each other cuz they don't know what will happen after. Passive families live long, families with no identity live long cuz they are easy to adapt to WHATEVER happens in game. These families got on top by pure luck (except maybe 3-4 max) by blooding and by doing almost absolutely nothing. That could be your "new style". Tbh I think it's in interest of every family in game to not adapt to it, and instead to try to make their own style. Tell me how many families saw bloods dying and did shit? That is your "new style". And that blood vs blood, so we stay out shit, that's really stupidest excuse ever.

Coming online in late night hours was something common practice for 2.3 after that version I saw it happen less and less. Last time I remember wars like that is either 2.5 or 2.7. There's nothing wrong in coming online in 2-3 am and starting war, but I think only few families can organize it today. And with all the KA changes lately, you pray your target is online, not offline. And when you outnumber your target by so much in the end you don't even care are they online or offline.

Lackey dupes I don't even count in as players, and (even though I don't know myself) I heard that bullet lackey isn't really that effective in buying bullets. So my guess is 100% lackey accounts are still joke, as spot ranked accounts were in 3.0. Problem, which many of people on irc told me, is people just don't find reason to come online anymore, cuz nothing happens, friends and people they know go away by every new day cause they're bored with what's happening.
Now this is game and players problem, not lackeys or whatever. Families and players in past would sit and wait for reset, chitchatting talking about top families. How can you even talk now about top families cause most of them didn't do absolutely anything to remember.

And I would like to ask you same thing as lunatiko did, would be lovely if you would share us your family origin with us.

ty, u wrote everything i wanted to wrote but a lot better! :P
so +1 xD

lol...when did you shoot last time? for higher ranked offline targets you'll need 6 shooters to preshoot, and some of them will die in BF. Every of those preshooters will have to rebuy bg's (if they survive BF). Killing high ranked gf easy? You'll have to shoot 3-4 times 60k to kill him...if he comes online, rebuy blood and bg's you'll need even more. All these shooters on GF will die in BF. With 10 shooters as you say, you can't do a shit. If you are lucky, you'll take down 2-3 top accounts and that's it. In the meantime you can expect that their bloods will hire on you and take you down without any problem.
So stop being smartass and tell ppl how to kill a family:")

and i can tell you more..
since u brought temp's name..i could remember the 10 versions when temp suicided for nothing..so if u think that's how it should be played..then yes i agree on your war tactic lol

but probably and just probably my fam likes to be succesfull and we don't suicide for nothing.

your plan is suicide against huggers..if u can't see it, then i won't answer you more.

ty for the lesson..but it's insane.
LOOOOOL who can agree on that?! are u nuts?
U won't get that type of money if your fam is not on top fams..huggers are! 10 trustable guys don't kill a fam..unless it's a fam like temp shot..
facts:huggers have better accounts.
huggers have money
u don't kill a hugger in one shot..so u would need at least 2 people for every target and sometimes isn't even enough..since u would be diening on f..even if u just pre shot..
and i said it already?!
your war basis is completely nonsense unless u are shooting a small fam!
keep it real.
don't dream !

I agree that the current style is not my favourite either, but complainng about it doesn't change things! So better adapt, else I will be frustrated like you and many others. What it was, is not important anymore, just accept the world is changing. And if you don't like the new style, stop playing or act! Most tops of old fams complain indeed, since they all face the same problem. I love to see them back, since they can change the game, but as long as they don't change themselves....

About shooting a 50 brug fam, do I really need to tell you how to shoot them? Thought you were top.... Ok, simple and easy, the only thing you need is lots of cash (top fams have the objects, so the cash...) and like 10 shooters. You can look at different sites who are tops in fams (many fams change their top 3 positions quit often for boosting) and you know who are tops in big fams, even if they aren't in top 3 position. Just hire on the most logical successors and some extra, so about 20 tagets in total (you know which brugs won't be successor, due to amount of online time, position etc..). Shoot the don, shoot successor and after that, shoot the last in line.. IN 15 min you have the fam down! Then the hunting can start, since we all know that famless brugs are much eaasier to kill. Start shooting for the objects, so they loose their power. Keep track on all 50 brugs/highranks who suddenly become richer then god (they are in the testament)and shoot them, so the fam can't get up soon again. is it really that easy? YES IT IS!!

Finding 10 trustable shooters/dupes who will do this during the night/morning etc, won't be that hard if you are in one of the old/large fams. This is how temp gained their HQ....

I think you won't agree on it but that's why your fam perhaps is not on top anymore...:P

Thnx for your reply Johnny. I think you just mentioned yourself that the old style was to shoot with 2 or 3 fams and nowadays it's 20-30. So you can say as an old familly we stick to the old style, but that's not gonna work. So you have to form alliance of perhaps 20 famillies who shoot another alliance of 20 famillies, I don't know. Why is ervyone always shooting in the evening, about 20:00 OT? Why not during the night of early morning in the weekend. last version we saw (dunno which name exactly, but from south America) who shot at 4 o'clock and another fam shot sunday monring 8:00 o'clock and killed a bigger fam easily. And don't say it's not possible to arrange, because we both know half omerta is dupes, a quarter is students and the rest ranks also during work! :) Same for shooting offline targets, indeed it sucks that they are way too strong, but you have to deal with it so do more preshooting during the night. Not many have sms alert, and besides, half time it doesn't work. Last, but not least, you say that the number of ppl rankers is decreasing under 1k. This is partly because of lackeydupes, they are not mentioned, while most fams exist by them... But when shooting is needed, they will be online suddenly. So the statistics about online ppl are not a very good indication of ppl who can shoot or amount of actual players.

funny..
your lack of knowledge about this game is impressive..
Ofc this version is shit..ofc 100+ fams is plain stupid..ofc offline targets harder to kill is ridicolous..this game used to be a shooting game, and people used to shoot for objects, for spots, cause they don't like target fams etc..nowadays u don't shoot.
most of fams on top are indeed fams that didn't shoot to get there..and hugged till they can be there..and still there they don't shoot!
fams nowadays choose bloods to survive and not to shoot or cause they trust them..
yeah it's a newstyle..yeah maybe you like it..
we will see next version when it changes if you will like it..
and yes it's just my opinion..that most people agree on it! Most old fams motivate their rankers as much times they want..and i can be sure of that since i'm top of one of those.

You compared arcanine shooting..usually having one target..with having a complete 50 brugs to target that hugged all version and surely have better accounts..even if you shoot 3 to 1..u can't do it preshooting..and even preshooting is dangerous..u would be down to 1 to 3 in no time!but are u sure u know it?i doubt it!
and i'm curious about what fam are you in..will u dare to say it?

Ok no offense but this theory about "new style" and adapting is complete nonsense for me.
There is no "New style" there is nothing to adept to, no one even mentioned shooting offline targets so don't know why you bring that up.
Reranking is always possible, but question is why for? When you see how game developed and when you realize that day when you go up you'll have at least 20-30 families to kill or be killed, families who barely did anything it just makes no sense to do so. Why go up to get shot down same day or week? That's not about motivating rankers or whatever, it's about having some responsibility for people who play in your family to not lead them to certain death just to show others or yourself you can go up.
Reset is needed when number of online players never passes 1k you know game is in serious problem, so tbh I think families who are up have problems motivating players to rank more. No one is showing ambition atm to do anything significant to win version. Maybe I'm wrong and there are plans, but I don't see anything changing any time soon. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we go into November without any real wars, and this can go on and on.

However when you already mentioned "new style" and "old families" I would really like to hear what you consider new style and where old families failed to adapt, and who are those who failed to adapt?

is it possible to have updated (live) alliance stats? Since i see some are not updated, like: gambino alliance is only 11 brugs, while they have 28 and aspava alliance is missing the liggio and memento familly in their alliance (think they win the price for biggest alliance:)).

Nope, I don't, neither to another hugging fam. But you sound frustrated and like you are part of an 'old familly' who couldn't adapt! Probably you think that all current fams who are still alive are huggers!:D Don't take it personally, it was just my evaluation about the haters.

I's not about having more rankers, (size doesn't matter in this case ;)) but about how you keep them ranking for your fam. Secondly, it's not that i like the current gamestyle, but complaining about it doesn't bring me anything besides frustration. So beter adapt and try to find a strategy to get rid of the hugging fams (which i don't belong to! ;)).

You must be in trafficante or some other hugger fam :'x

As Vincitori i can say we have enough rankers dunno which fam you are in but prolly much more than yours.

But you are right at some point that we couldnt adapt to new gamestyle, we thought 5 bloods are enough but when most other fams takes 8-9 bloods we couldnt handle that many wars.But i assure you we are gonna find a way and keep our agressive gamestyle to win rather than waiting 6 months.

For those who complain about version is over, reset, blabla: Stop crying! The aggressive fams are death because they could not addapt to new rankers, new gamestyle and are stuck to the 'old days'. Shooting offline targets is possible, but shooting 60k is just plain stupid! Reranking is still possible, since arcanine (i don't know the guy, so no opinion about him and his actions) has proven you can shoot a gf/fl with some shootingskills/strategy and lackeybrugs.

So those who complain about reset are those who only can motivate their members once (beginning of version), so they suck as a top anyways. Secondly, we see some fams back in top, like gambino, leviticus and temp (no opinion about them either, since I'm not in their fam) who have died several times but have the ability to recover.

And yes, version can be close by some fams, bu i think they are stocking bullets atm, so they can start shooting for a few days/weeks in a row!

Cheers:W

i would also like to ask... does anyone think at this point that any of the remaining families can really 'win' the version? I dont think anything any of the currently alive families could could validate them claiming victory for the version. At this point in time the competition is the least its ever been, and the skillset of involved players is severely reduced. I think the winner of this version (if there is one that can be called that) died weeks/months ago.