He get shot by high GF as a BRUGLIONE with 130% killskill, and totally outnumbered so it's very close to immortality. If he had enough points under his regime, he would be immortal. Ariella have now shitload of ks for just couple of kills which others didn't made. Find someone who can kill her in this version. Nobody. ;) So something have to be changed about kill skill (not very sure it is good idea to remove it because there will be a lot of hugging later on, but with this ks/ka version are too fucking short. This one ends before my dc status, which tell the most about leading families and game system) or current ka. Reason lays ofc in game system (not in tops as somebody mentioned). Even tops know that if they rerank in full squad, they will be pwned once more, so it is wasting of the time. Developers have to do something with this problem, cz it will cause dying of omerta.

for faffie yes , why its a disgrace

they do and still exist, but like all the ideas we put up 99 out of 100 get washed away...

As far as i know Gambino has shot a lot this version :)

gaybino, faffies puppies, get your act together and show some balls you are a disgrace to whatever gambino was and stood for, you did shit this version! please deny it....

Really appreciate this response Kcode and lets see what difference the changes will make.
And totally agree with prevoius posts, if you dont want detroit spots to be over powered then get your players to move away from it. Faffie chose detroit this version knowing people are too lazy to or stuck in their ways.

user group never had any experienced top players and mainly voted for bullshit.

what about bringing back a usergroup or something.

I totally agree with the fact ks is not working as it should and to be honest KS system was the only one I didn't remake on the KA part, it is getting changed, part of it it's coded already and KS will be related to the strenght of account you are shooting, if it's a strong or same value of your account (if you get risk of dieing in BF) you will get decent amount of KS, if it's an useless account you won't get any decent KS, that is on work and hope we can finish the testing before next reset.

There is also a nice amount of working going on related to city maps, it will be totally extended and this will include a nice system based on players houses, I will give some details later when it's near the end of testing phase.

But at least, I love to see the fact that KA at the moment, made the families work in a strategy and it proved to be a decent one, that's the point, work together and make your own family accounts getting stronger, imo.

We'll see how the future changes will work, but that's one thing I can assure you, different strategies are coming to the game (again). And that makes me really happy for seeing families working with them.

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I'm talking about account strength and the KA here. Not sure how this versions blood webs are related to that. Surely, you could make that argument for any KA that isn't as simple as 60k = kill. SHing for 10 hours and letting your bloods clean up would work in any case.

I call bullshit.

Maybe true in essence to an extend that these accounts, this version, could have died in a couple of shots. But unlike me last version, there was no way that these accounts would have had to put up with a far outnumbered situation like me. Thus making it impossible for any group of families to even target them. As they would just go into SH for 10 hours and let their bloods clean up the people that could attempt to shoot.

Wow, some post that makes sense.
How about letting rebirths keep their earned KS, or give them KS for kills below lc. How about going down two ranks each rebirth. First accounts KS for kills LC+ first rebirth for swi+ next for mob+. But no lower than that. I don't want to suggest to go down to gain ks for shoppies or so.

But that only solves one part of the problems for rebirths. The bigger one remains the unbalanced economy, +credit cap for lackeys. Rebirths cannot afford to buy dcs on obay. that's a way bigger problem.

The spot system, well the problem with that seems to be, it got introduced many versions too late, after lackeys made players complacent and happy to do everything in Detroit.
For the poker spot I suggest another solution, make poker tables available from every city, but only the spot in which the winning player is located gets the money. If people are still too lazy to leave Detroit then, well, they already deserve to get steamrolled for being lazy now.

But again, nobody forces you to do everything in Detroit. If you can't get it done to at least make your fam members change their "base of operation" to your hometown, then you deserve to get steamrolled by the fams that control the objects in Detroit. "But everybody is in Detroit. Yadda, yadda, yadda" Make a change yourself, get your fam members to move to another city.

Paris entirely misses an important point, how do those accounts become dreadnuts? By shooting and killing. How can they do that, by having sufficient bullets (which also increases account strength). Why do they have those bullets, by having the best objects, which again leads you to Detroit and players being too complacent/lazy/stupid to do their stuff somewhere else.

I strongly disagree. No account is immortal. You do remember Smul got killed last version, right? Or maybe you remember Monte Carlo and their two top accounts from 4.1? They died as well, both being stronger than any other account in the game at that point.
Every account in this game is just a few well-executed shots away from being dead. That's what makes it interesting.

Removing the changes that were introduced with this KA would just once again favor dupe-armies instead of active players and families. I don't see how that's an improvement.

Now, there's definitely something that needs to be done for rerankers (and players that started late into the version, for that matter). I agree with you on that. Maybe some kind of ranking and KS multiplier for rebirths/late-starters would be a start.

Some thought should also go into the new spot system. It definitely increased the amount of money families earn. Maybe versions would last longer if families couldn't afford to go to gigantic wars after barely a month.
I'm not talking about Detroit being OP here by the way, that's something that the playerbase needs to fix (I think we can be expected to think about which family benefits from our poker games/gambling/bank transfers) - even though I've heard worse ideas than changing the Detroit 10% poker spot to two 5% spots.

Idd that this ks and this ka is really killing the game. After 15 days, experienced player can make immortal account, just like Ariella in this and Smul in last version made. Also, ka it's quite unfair to rebirthed players. Ka needs to be changed once more and ofc ks needs to be changed (or removed).

we've had versions in which people refused to shoot for months and then their accounts would be very strong and unkillable for people that died while their FAM was warring. So keep ks. Also shoot the bottle isn't going to solve anything. it would just make people hug again. Perhaps adding new features that force being online would help. Also perking the spots would help. perhaps omerta should have a bit faster ranking with a rebirth. nothing happeneds anyway before briglione....

we should talk about length of version. as u all know this version lasted just a month.. worse then dm.. devs should do something about it.

Ofc dont remove ks when you are killing, would be a big hugging game then. Why should you shoot when you only weak your account with it?

Should devs implement a lackey to shoot the bottle, too?

The bottle request is just silly, maybe if only organiced crimes(heist/oc/MOC/Raids) can give killskill. That would favour online players.

Or get the bottle back.