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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
ElIndio (18:59:07 - 07-07)
Anonymous at 18:25:21 on 07/07:
Depends.
I actually have to agree with Redspeert (as much as I hate it) on this one though.
Refering to Turkish noobs as Turkish noobs is not racist per se.
Turkish is just the adjective to describe about which noobs he is talking about.
Refering to Cristeria as Portugese noobs is not racist neither. It only gets racist, if you assume all Portugese are noobs. I would not refer to Conflict as noobs and they are Portugese.
When I refer to Redspeert as Norwegian lackwit it's also not racist. I just say "that lackwit is from Norway", and not because "he is lackwit because he is from Norway."
I hope that clarifies it a bit.
ElIndio at 18:06:52 on 07/07:
Provoking someone by associating his/her race* with a reproached lack of expertness in playing a game is very likely to be interpreted as racism.
See quote box, remember countless equal cases in this forum from past.
*(inter alia ''a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.'' (http://oxforddictionaries.com /definition/english/race--2)
Actually I wonder why Redspeert is so obsessive about imposing his ideas on this topic every single time it comes up, or to be correct, he brings it up. What the fuck does it matter to him if people are wrong and Redspeert is right? Why is it that he only seems to value the technical aspects rather than what really matters, which is the perception on the part of so many persons concerned?
Is it possible that Redspeert is SICK?
I've got sick of this sik behavior for sure.
Redspeert at 16:36:36 on 07/07:
Saying ''turkey noob'' aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a ''dutch noob'' am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
gsbaba at 16:27:03 on 07/07:
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Saying ''turkey noob'' aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a ''dutch noob'' am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
Provoking someone by associating his/her race* with a reproached lack of expertness in playing a game is very likely to be interpreted as racism.
See quote box, remember countless equal cases in this forum from past.
*(inter alia ''a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.'' (http://oxforddictionaries.com /definition/english/race--2)
Actually I wonder why Redspeert is so obsessive about imposing his ideas on this topic every single time it comes up, or to be correct, he brings it up. What the fuck does it matter to him if people are wrong and Redspeert is right? Why is it that he only seems to value the technical aspects rather than what really matters, which is the perception on the part of so many persons concerned?
Is it possible that Redspeert is SICK?
I've got sick of this sik behavior for sure.
Depends.
I actually have to agree with Redspeert (as much as I hate it) on this one though.
Refering to Turkish noobs as Turkish noobs is not racist per se.
Turkish is just the adjective to describe about which noobs he is talking about.
Refering to Cristeria as Portugese noobs is not racist neither. It only gets racist, if you assume all Portugese are noobs. I would not refer to Conflict as noobs and they are Portugese.
When I refer to Redspeert as Norwegian lackwit it's also not racist. I just say "that lackwit is from Norway", and not because "he is lackwit because he is from Norway."
I hope that clarifies it a bit.
Bro please reread the latter part of my last post.
I won't debate on the technical aspects now, I'm not eager for convincing anyone about my views. Someone who wants to understand will understand.
Maybe an example as a small exception, fitting to my flag, to make my point clear:
Imagine me loudly addressing a man who wears a kippah, in an aggressive tone with ''HEY JEW!''.
Anonymous (18:26:12 - 07-07)
Anonymous at 18:25:21 on 07/07:
Depends.
I actually have to agree with Redspeert (as much as I hate it) on this one though.
Refering to Turkish noobs as Turkish noobs is not racist per se.
Turkish is just the adjective to describe about which noobs he is talking about.
Refering to Cristeria as Portugese noobs is not racist neither. It only gets racist, if you assume all Portugese are noobs. I would not refer to Conflict as noobs and they are Portugese.
When I refer to Redspeert as Norwegian lackwit it's also not racist. I just say "that lackwit is from Norway", and not because "he is lackwit because he is from Norway."
I hope that clarifies it a bit.
ElIndio at 18:06:52 on 07/07:
Provoking someone by associating his/her race* with a reproached lack of expertness in playing a game is very likely to be interpreted as racism.
See quote box, remember countless equal cases in this forum from past.
*(inter alia ''a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.'' (http://oxforddictionaries.com /definition/english/race--2)
Actually I wonder why Redspeert is so obsessive about imposing his ideas on this topic every single time it comes up, or to be correct, he brings it up. What the fuck does it matter to him if people are wrong and Redspeert is right? Why is it that he only seems to value the technical aspects rather than what really matters, which is the perception on the part of so many persons concerned?
Is it possible that Redspeert is SICK?
I've got sick of this sik behavior for sure.
Redspeert at 16:36:36 on 07/07:
Saying ''turkey noob'' aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a ''dutch noob'' am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
gsbaba at 16:27:03 on 07/07:
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Saying ''turkey noob'' aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a ''dutch noob'' am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
Provoking someone by associating his/her race* with a reproached lack of expertness in playing a game is very likely to be interpreted as racism.
See quote box, remember countless equal cases in this forum from past.
*(inter alia ''a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.'' (http://oxforddictionaries.com /definition/english/race--2)
Actually I wonder why Redspeert is so obsessive about imposing his ideas on this topic every single time it comes up, or to be correct, he brings it up. What the fuck does it matter to him if people are wrong and Redspeert is right? Why is it that he only seems to value the technical aspects rather than what really matters, which is the perception on the part of so many persons concerned?
Is it possible that Redspeert is SICK?
I've got sick of this sik behavior for sure.
Depends.
I actually have to agree with Redspeert (as much as I hate it) on this one though.
Refering to Turkish noobs as Turkish noobs is not racist per se.
Turkish is just the adjective to describe about which noobs he is talking about.
Refering to Cristeria as Portugese noobs is not racist neither. It only gets racist, if you assume all Portugese are noobs. I would not refer to Conflict as noobs and they are Portugese.
When I refer to Redspeert as Norwegian lackwit it's also not racist. I just say "that lackwit is from Norway", and not because "he is lackwit because he is from Norway."
I hope that clarifies it a bit.
Edited added a not.
Anonymous (18:25:21 - 07-07)
ElIndio at 18:06:52 on 07/07:
Provoking someone by associating his/her race* with a reproached lack of expertness in playing a game is very likely to be interpreted as racism.
See quote box, remember countless equal cases in this forum from past.
*(inter alia ''a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.'' (http://oxforddictionaries.com /definition/english/race--2)
Actually I wonder why Redspeert is so obsessive about imposing his ideas on this topic every single time it comes up, or to be correct, he brings it up. What the fuck does it matter to him if people are wrong and Redspeert is right? Why is it that he only seems to value the technical aspects rather than what really matters, which is the perception on the part of so many persons concerned?
Is it possible that Redspeert is SICK?
I've got sick of this sik behavior for sure.
Redspeert at 16:36:36 on 07/07:
Saying ''turkey noob'' aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a ''dutch noob'' am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
gsbaba at 16:27:03 on 07/07:
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Saying ''turkey noob'' aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a ''dutch noob'' am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
Provoking someone by associating his/her race* with a reproached lack of expertness in playing a game is very likely to be interpreted as racism.
See quote box, remember countless equal cases in this forum from past.
*(inter alia ''a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.'' (http://oxforddictionaries.com /definition/english/race--2)
Actually I wonder why Redspeert is so obsessive about imposing his ideas on this topic every single time it comes up, or to be correct, he brings it up. What the fuck does it matter to him if people are wrong and Redspeert is right? Why is it that he only seems to value the technical aspects rather than what really matters, which is the perception on the part of so many persons concerned?
Is it possible that Redspeert is SICK?
I've got sick of this sik behavior for sure.
Depends.
I actually have to agree with Redspeert (as much as I hate it) on this one though.
Refering to Turkish noobs as Turkish noobs is not racist per se.
Turkish is just the adjective to describe about which noobs he is talking about.
Refering to Cristeria as Portugese noobs is not racist neither. It only gets racist, if you assume all Portugese are noobs. I would refer to Conflict as noobs and they are Portugese.
When I refer to Redspeert as Norwegian lackwit it's also not racist. I just say "that lackwit is from Norway", and not because "he is lackwit because he is from Norway."
I hope that clarifies it a bit.
ElIndio (18:06:52 - 07-07)
Redspeert at 16:36:36 on 07/07:
Saying ''turkey noob'' aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a ''dutch noob'' am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
gsbaba at 16:27:03 on 07/07:
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Saying ''turkey noob'' aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a ''dutch noob'' am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
Provoking someone by associating his/her race* with a reproached lack of expertness in playing a game is very likely to be interpreted as racism.
See quote box, remember countless equal cases in this forum from past.
*(inter alia ''a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.'' (http://oxforddictionaries.com /definition/english/race--2)
Actually I wonder why Redspeert is so obsessive about imposing his ideas on this topic every single time it comes up, or to be correct, he brings it up. What the fuck does it matter to him if people are wrong and Redspeert is right? Why is it that he only seems to value the technical aspects rather than what really matters, which is the perception on the part of so many persons concerned?
Is it possible that Redspeert is SICK?
I've got sick of this sik behavior for sure.
Paus (17:55:32 - 07-07)
Ocelot at 17:10:37 on 07/07:
cristeria = Koninkrijk
zt + cristeria= anomaly
Both statements completely wrong
Anonymous at 10:16:44 on 07/07:
anyone knows anything about Anomaly?
Yes i can say something about Anomaly. We are a new project in .com who has players from many fams including cristerians , but we are not and i repeat we are not heirs of they´re legacy or they´re history despite we respect all old cristerians me in particular because it were my first .com fam.
For further informations since the server are beginning to question who we are or what might be our objectives i think that is clear what whoever might be interested can do; contact anyone of Anomaly top and talk don´t judge before you know.
Best Regards
~Anomaly Top
cristeria = Koninkrijk
zt + cristeria= anomaly
Both statements completely wrong
Anonymous at 10:16:44 on 07/07:
anyone knows anything about Anomaly?
Yes i can say something about Anomaly. We are a new project in .com who has players from many fams including cristerians , but we are not and i repeat we are not heirs of they´re legacy or they´re history despite we respect all old cristerians me in particular because it were my first .com fam.
For further informations since the server are beginning to question who we are or what might be our objectives i think that is clear what whoever might be interested can do; contact anyone of Anomaly top and talk don´t judge before you know.
Best Regards
~Anomaly Top
Good luck with your new project!
Respect!
Ocelot (17:10:37 - 07-07)
cristeria = Koninkrijk
zt + cristeria= anomaly
Both statements completely wrong
Anonymous at 10:16:44 on 07/07:
anyone knows anything about Anomaly?
Yes i can say something about Anomaly. We are a new project in .com who has players from many fams including cristerians , but we are not and i repeat we are not heirs of they´re legacy or they´re history despite we respect all old cristerians me in particular because it were my first .com fam.
For further informations since the server are beginning to question who we are or what might be our objectives i think that is clear what whoever might be interested can do; contact anyone of Anomaly top and talk don´t judge before you know.
Best Regards
~Anomaly Top
zt + cristeria= anomaly
Both statements completely wrong
Anonymous at 10:16:44 on 07/07:
anyone knows anything about Anomaly?
Yes i can say something about Anomaly. We are a new project in .com who has players from many fams including cristerians , but we are not and i repeat we are not heirs of they´re legacy or they´re history despite we respect all old cristerians me in particular because it were my first .com fam.
For further informations since the server are beginning to question who we are or what might be our objectives i think that is clear what whoever might be interested can do; contact anyone of Anomaly top and talk don´t judge before you know.
Best Regards
~Anomaly Top
gsbaba (16:47:45 - 07-07)
Redspeert at 16:36:36 on 07/07:
Saying "turkey noob" aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a "dutch noob" am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
gsbaba at 16:27:03 on 07/07:
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Saying "turkey noob" aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a "dutch noob" am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
Redspeert (16:36:36 - 07-07)
gsbaba at 16:27:03 on 07/07:
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Saying "turkey noob" aint racism, turks is not a race...When are you people gonna learn that?
If I call smul a "dutch noob" am I a racist? What if I call Zenga a belgian noob? Or is it only when you mention the turks that its racism?
gsbaba (16:27:03 - 07-07)
Anonymous turkey noob 07-07 @ 12:13 Dishonour -5
Send your ingame fucking racist
Anonymous u dont get my ing. 07-07 @ 13:48 Dishonour -6
Do i hurt you so much ?
Anonymous all turks hurts 07-07 @ 16:19 Dishonour -4
what the hell turks did you?
why are you so angry to us?
Anonymous (15:46:10 - 07-07)
Lawl why anomaly connected to cris ? all i know is that they'r a new project with new ideias, but noone better than their top to answer :)
Anonymous (15:27:50 - 07-07)
MW at 15:25:40 on 07/07:
lol at you not knowing shit
Anonymous at 14:47:11 on 07/07:
lol at gravano's bloodlist they take anyone they can get
lol at gravano's bloodlist they take anyone they can get
lol at you not knowing shit
+1
there is probably a couple that arent mentioned there hahaha
MW (15:25:40 - 07-07)
Anonymous at 14:47:11 on 07/07:
lol at gravano's bloodlist they take anyone they can get
lol at gravano's bloodlist they take anyone they can get
lol at you not knowing shit
Redspeert (14:29:04 - 07-07)
Anonymous at 12:22:27 on 07/07:
i heard cristeria hiding there
Anonymous at 11:03:21 on 07/07:
Yeah, no1 of them are turks LOL
Redspeert at 10:32:00 on 07/07:
Wrong lol
Anonymous at 10:20:04 on 07/07:
seems like a .tr crew. so probably nothing serious lol
Anonymous at 10:16:44 on 07/07:
anyone knows anything about Anomaly?
anyone knows anything about Anomaly?
seems like a .tr crew. so probably nothing serious lol
Wrong lol
Yeah, no1 of them are turks LOL
i heard cristeria hiding there
Wrong again. Individuals who might have been in Cristeria might be in the familiy, but not Cristeria. I'm not there, nor is several other Cristerias.
Viking (14:21:21 - 07-07)
Anonymous at 06:16:09 on 06/07:
That it's undetectable doesn't make it legal. Our legal system would be rather screwed up if this were the case. You're simply not allowed to have dupe accounts - just directly from the disclaimer you sign when registering: "You may not: (1) Register more than one active account per person."
olaola at 01:02:59 on 06/07:
lol i only need firefox, i disconnet my home ip, change to other, do the dairly heist and if is a good heist i keep the money for myself
since iam the leader, transfer the money to another account using the poker and done. repeat this step on all my accounts, then i connect my main account with my home ip. all legal :D
Viking at 21:39:11 on 05/07:
how do you rank then ? several browsers or pure lackey / script ?
olaola at 20:19:02 on 05/07:
every fams have dupers/scripters, u don't know all yours members
check my example
im playing in 1 #5 fam atm and i can admite, yes i've dupes accts.
and u ask why didnt admins a-killed you yet? easy
cos i've access in my bulding to several thompson wireless ip's. passwords? easy googlestore and search for thompson wireless unlocker pw
so all my accounts have diferents ip's, who needs teamviewer.
all the dupes accounts r to suicide, and stocking money/bullets until i find a nice target i dont care about his fam, what can they do? famless 0 hp's 0 msgs, yeah yeah go put several rih's there
Kohfi_Konnekt at 19:14:46 on 05/07:
Aye, we have no scripters nor sharers. Take a good look before asking stuff like that :')
So what happens if all low ontime people killed eachother? Who will be left to kill the ones with 90% ontime?
Stanto at 12:44:26 on 05/07:
@kohfi
Tell me this ? Your top ranker dosnt use script ? Or at least 2 people on one account playing in shifts ? So dont try to avoid script ?
And second one , my acc have 13% online time so i am not talking about me, i am talking about those kills which happen yesterday .
@kohfi
Tell me this ? Your top ranker dosnt use script ? Or at least 2 people on one account playing in shifts ? So dont try to avoid script ?
And second one , my acc have 13% online time so i am not talking about me, i am talking about those kills which happen yesterday .
Aye, we have no scripters nor sharers. Take a good look before asking stuff like that :')
So what happens if all low ontime people killed eachother? Who will be left to kill the ones with 90% ontime?
every fams have dupers/scripters, u don't know all yours members
check my example
im playing in 1 #5 fam atm and i can admite, yes i've dupes accts.
and u ask why didnt admins a-killed you yet? easy
cos i've access in my bulding to several thompson wireless ip's. passwords? easy googlestore and search for thompson wireless unlocker pw
so all my accounts have diferents ip's, who needs teamviewer.
all the dupes accounts r to suicide, and stocking money/bullets until i find a nice target i dont care about his fam, what can they do? famless 0 hp's 0 msgs, yeah yeah go put several rih's there
how do you rank then ? several browsers or pure lackey / script ?
lol i only need firefox, i disconnet my home ip, change to other, do the dairly heist and if is a good heist i keep the money for myself
since iam the leader, transfer the money to another account using the poker and done. repeat this step on all my accounts, then i connect my main account with my home ip. all legal :D
That it's undetectable doesn't make it legal. Our legal system would be rather screwed up if this were the case. You're simply not allowed to have dupe accounts - just directly from the disclaimer you sign when registering: "You may not: (1) Register more than one active account per person."
who cares.. i admire people like him, if the admins or atleast the people who get paid do their job correct ( fix bugs ) then i dont think most of those people who are duping feeling the urge to do this so please go and enjoy the sun ;)
Anonymous (13:42:11 - 07-07)
zeveroareDoesnotsignin at 13:29:54 on 07/07:
Nah, blackrose is blackrose, if it was Vaffan, we would have that name. :p
Anonymous at 09:33:56 on 07/07:
vaffan = blackrose
zeveroareDoesnotsignin at 08:32:40 on 07/07:
Is vaffan up?
Anonymous at 09:29:28 on 06/07:
vaffan - Lusa - krays - pervoli + some turks vs. gravano, impact, faffie
grewsti at 08:35:10 on 06/07:
first real war is.....................????????????
first real war is.....................????????????
vaffan - Lusa - krays - pervoli + some turks vs. gravano, impact, faffie
Is vaffan up?
vaffan = blackrose
Nah, blackrose is blackrose, if it was Vaffan, we would have that name. :p
ofc it was difficult to use same name, with less members.
so you gonna wait for ascension to get in trouble and then hit them? you can't do that 2nd time :)
zeveroareDoesnotsignin (13:29:54 - 07-07)
Anonymous at 09:33:56 on 07/07:
vaffan = blackrose
zeveroareDoesnotsignin at 08:32:40 on 07/07:
Is vaffan up?
Anonymous at 09:29:28 on 06/07:
vaffan - Lusa - krays - pervoli + some turks vs. gravano, impact, faffie
grewsti at 08:35:10 on 06/07:
first real war is.....................????????????
first real war is.....................????????????
vaffan - Lusa - krays - pervoli + some turks vs. gravano, impact, faffie
Is vaffan up?
vaffan = blackrose
Nah, blackrose is blackrose, if it was Vaffan, we would have that name. :p
lol at gravano's bloodlist they take anyone they can get
lol at you not knowing shit
+1
there is probably a couple that arent mentioned there hahaha