3.3 I actually played

Vincitori shot Latobuio (DIG) who tbh I have no clue was it or wasn't blooded with Bruinsma cuz of hidden blood lists. After that Tempestuoso Gambino and Leviticus shot Vincitori, so ofc Vincitori shot back, it's unfair to say Vincitori shot every single Bruinsma blood just cuz Vinci are so mean guys who can't do anything else but bully poor Bruinsma's bloods. In fact Tempe Gambino and Levi shot Vincitori 1st. Not saying Vinci was huge fans of those 3 and would never ever shot em down, but get your facts straight, there's difference from shooting someone for pure fun and defending yourself.
For all those version since 3.0 only one blood of Bruinsma who Vinci shot without really damn good reason was TT (who I am still not sure were they blooded), and even that war was cuz of bigger picture so TT war was kind of collateral damage. All other wars it was Bruinsma shooting Vincitori (3.1 with Cristeria and some more, 3.2 with Gambino Levi Tempe etc).
So as much as I understand people's frustration with Bruinsma, fact is since 3.0 they shot Vincitori many more times, than Vincitori shot them or their bloods. In fact if someone should've questioned that bloodship it was supposed to be Vincitori, cuz they kept getting fucked by Bruinsma, not vice versa.

Hello there

Now I am not really active nor I was last version, nor I had real chance to meet Bruinsma fellas since I didn't really play last version...

But what a hell are you talking about? Vinci shooting Buinsma's bloods every single version? I think it was much more vice versa, only time Vinci could've shot Bruinsma's bloods was in 3.1 when they shot TT (which I am not sure were they blooded to Bruinsma). Apart from that it was Bruinsma shooting Vincitori most of times (3.1 and 3.2). Not that any of that matters actually, cuz even when we were on opposite sides still they acted decent in wars and talked normal (unlike some families).

So when you flame and trash on families at least be sure about facts you're talking.

Cheers

1st of all it's pretty sad we talk over this site :p
I have never while I played faked any logs, nor I plan to do so.
Every serious war has it's risks, you're either willing to take them or not. Same as this war had risks for you, same any war would have risks for you and others. I've never asked from anyone to do our work or war, in fact I am open and honest in every war talk, I tell you (or others) what they can expect in my opinion. If you (or anyone else) doesn't like it, they deny that war.

I dunno do you guys have urban legends or something but I am pretty sure back in days when we worked together we never fucked you over, for sure I didn't personally. Same as I am sure you and me had fair and good co-work. Problems started when Donalo asked favour and then I got slapped in the face :p

Tbh you and Leviticus are one of most responsible for that.
Back in 3.2 when Vinci and Conflict blooded each other for 1st time, I came to you as Leviticus and offered you to shoot together on some Conflict's bloods, tbh back then we still had friendly relations and I trusted you at moments back than even more than Conflict.
What you did next brought Vinci and Conflict really damn close, and Conflict earned my trust without any future doubt in them.
Back then we had only 5 bloods, while rest had 8+, only our bloods defended Vinci while there were 20+ fams shooting us.

Back then no one forced you all into working together, it was your choice. You guys choose to play that way, no one pointed gun to your head and said you MUST collect every family on omerta and shoot Conflict and Vincitori. You did it for god knows what reasons (I'm sure you had them), it's stupid now to blame others and say we forced you to do this, after this was your choice before.

It's not blood circle or whatever that's causing problems, everyone keeps doing same shit.

It's wrong to say attackers failed, nor defenders succeeded. Fact is this war is just wrong. 1st war of the version where almost every family involves, you just know smth is wrong.

They make us a pact every damn version with their stupid decisions and war plans, only difference is sometimes they do succeed and sometimes not.
Do you actually believe for once that ties of these families would be so strong together if they haven't "tested" us over and over again.

Same as I and many others made Conflict Curse Illusion and Righelli pact in 2.7 to 2.8a, with constant attacks and pointing fingers and whinings here. It just made em stronger together.

And again I mean no offense to some attacking fams cuz I have respect for some of them, just maybe you should try different approach instead of repeating same mistakes (same goes for us tbh), cuz this pact or whatever you all cry about, you guys (or your tops) made. We wont simply lay down and die without a fight...

If I remember good, and I am pretty sure I do that war was Conflict Nazdrovia Bruinsma and Gravano vs Krays, so I doubt you shared targets 50-50, simply cuz there were more than 2 families shooting.


I never really talked against you or so... Fact is I know you, as you know me really good, I know what you are ready to do and what to expect from you, I still think you are one of best players and leaders this game has/had, but same as I said you often do fucked up cause of your character.
It's not about who is stronger or so, nor we as Vinci ever tried to "beat you", nor we discredited what you have done. Fact is 3.1 was by far best version for Nazdrovia, and you won it fair and square, on really way that there's no doubt about it, but Nazdrovia didn't win that version cause of you imo, it won it cause of 2 other guys Panna and Peelen. In the end turning point was when we shot Conflict, and everyone decided to retaliate on us instead of you. At that point you simply had more luck than us and after that point it was easy win for you imho.


This is bullshit, I don't have clue how much time your top spends here, nor I think you know this about Vinci tops either... It's just false assumption you made for some weird reason.


Not really true, Magliana was Affinitas in global with all Affinitas tops including DonCyp, Reflexive, PhenkyHenky...
I know you got into Magliana then after Provenzano got hijacked, I also remember Reflexive got you invite into Magliana. And Vc's ingame was Mastermind and he was Chief when you hijacked. Magliana's donna Joey (Dementia ingame) stepped down cause turkish part of Magliana didn't like her attitude, and you got perfect chance to hijacked and used it.

You think wrong, you didn't hijack Vinci. Some NLS people thought it would be fun to start Vincitori and shot Affinitas with it, which we considered very low and disrespectful act. I am pretty sure you even said you would feel same way if people did it with Fumatore name to shoot Curse.

Punto Banco Kings.

It's quite sad to see and old friend also person who I am sure is above name callings and so, calling other families dogs...

What did you expect Marconi? That we will stay out waiting for you to shoot us while on other hand there is 7 families looking for you, I can't possibly think you thought that.
I also don't see a reason for calling anyone dogs, when you attacked us last version with dozen families, you never saw one Vincitori top calling them dogs or so. At least some minimum level of respect should be shown.

As much as I disagree with way Phenky wrote his top statement, as it's really disrespectful and low, going further and attacking families who helped Vincitori is just as bad as way Phenky did wrote.

For families who have reputation such as Leviticus Gambino Tempestuoso Notte, at least your tops should rise above bunch of Anonymous posters and name callers and act with respect. Even if you don't like game events or some families.

RIP everyone who died in this war

Počivaj u miru.

Saučešće porodici i prijateljima

I would disagree, much lower than shooting your bloods is what Marazzino did to people who trusted them. Every action has reaction, Marazzino got theirs for their plays.

Marazzino deserved to get shot by each family they fucked over in Blacksea/Yigidos war, by all the lies they said and by all the foolish actions they made.

Shooting at "bloods" who fucked you over, lied to you and played you is everything but low. If you have blood like that, they deserve to get shot.

Well well... Let me write few words before you go on with flaming

About Crew Message
Ofc we knew that it could end up on this site, when you have 200+ members there's good chance someone will paste it here, did that matter? No, ofc not. If we wanted to go to public with what we wrote in crew message, we would have write here, but writing here anything is pointless cause you get 10 people flaming no matter what you write. We owed explanation to our members only, not to anyone else.

About Venture war
It's sad to see that one man's actions gets so many people killed. I do feel sorry for Venture cause I do believe they aren't family like that and this all is just bad turnout of gamble one man took.
To all of you who say Vincitori sold Venture, Venture got sold from inside, but yes we have fault in it cause we didn't do anything to stop Venture fall simple cuz we couldn't trust Venture anymore cuz of one person. Funny thing is how no one of Venture tops here said we sold them, but bunch of you who think you got all knowledge in the world say it.
If you think Venture was "used then killed", that's most absurd thing ever... Killing Venture didn't bring benefits to us on strategy plan, ffs we lost blood. There's no hidden agenda, or whatever you may think, it's simple stop looking for conspiracy theories.

About Xzone shooting Vincitori
I must congratz Xzone they did caught us in bad moment, and they made some nice kills. Yes we are pussy and incapable, and our bloods had to help us so we don't die by pro Xzone soldiers.
You might wanna add up Liberta they killed some Xzone too, and Gravano was on channel but dets kept failing.
However it was fun war, once we got out of safehouse ofc. So RIP to all who died from all sides...

Now flame on...

if from 70+ brugs you couldn't find anyone go to #help and report bug on your account, or hire more than 5 dets per city

Haha

besides the fact that we live in same city (if I'm not wrong) and that I saw you once few years ago, we never talked more than few lines on mIRC.
I admire that you know enough about me irl, that you "know" this game is my everything :')

Cheers

I hate to break it to you, but maybe if some people spent less time making rumors, and spent more time clicking or hiring lackeys, difference in numbers wouldn't be so big

Last version you blooded shitload families, not to mentioned that over a month you shot with such a variety of families that no one could even remember names of families who shot only us. Funny thing is during that time no one cried about how outnumbered Vinci is or about number of ranks. We "had balls" and similar bs on this site, why? Only cause we fought against odds and people like when families die. Now we ain't doing nothing different, and again this time we refused to lay down and die.
If you seriously cry about number of brugs in families who shot you, you should ask yourself 1st, why they have 80+ brugs and I had only 40? Learn to rank or recruit, before you come here crying how game is unfair and how whole world hates you... By your logic, only cause my people can rank better than yours I should kick out half of family when I attack you so you would have fair chances.
This game ain't fair for families who play like you or me, you forget in a day all dirty shit you guys did and act as innocent victim, and it's pure luck that this site has enough stupid people to cry and scream about every possible thing they don't like talk about pacts and make families fear and suicide. It's just amazing how many families you can scare in for suicide action so you guys can be happy. No one of you absolutely has no clue about relations or who "next target" is, and maybe each family of those who shot on Lato have it's own agenda. But no for you it's so much easier to think everyone is pact and they'll just kill everyone now.
It was all fun and happy last version when you had upper hand in war, but when you end on other side of medal you even blame families for their numbers, man up and take defeat as it is...

So go, make dead guys happy, join them in death by suiciding for them. For sure they know better what's good for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24xqFOIct-Q

sorry couldn't resist :P

Yes I am sorry that we refuse to lay down and die...

Punto Banco Kings :r

I said we learn from our mistakes, didn't I?

Anonymous guy said it. So why would we shoot our bloods? Btw I am till waiting for those logs.

So by this logic, I guess rumors vs Leviticus didn't work, why not try pushing rumors in other direction.

So well informed Anonymous people. According to you Marazzino and Vincitori are very close, bloods actually, so lets start with why would we shoot our bloods?

Also:

Why aren't our "as 1" shooting with us? :x