Vinci and Krays were never bloods.

You ether can't or don't want to read. I am not playing, I don't need to watch my fat ass unless you have different plans that killing me in game.

I already wrote there about Hangover they got shot down day before reset was announced. I can't make that more clear to you. We planned on shooting Righelli for it but we didn't cause reset was announced and mayhem started.
Liberta? Wtf are you talking about? Vincitori was one of most loyal bloods Liberta had (and vice versa), despite you trying to tell me personally how Liberta is bad family and how will they betray us for Turks. Vincitori - Liberta bloodship goes all the way from 2.3 and even if we had rough patch with some of Liberta tops in past, dying together and revenging each other was never question.

You really don't get anything I said, fuck it man I don't care if you win or lose I fucking hope you play brilliant and win version by right moves and decision without hesitation. What I am finally glad that every one saw now who you are and that with you on top Marazzino reached new low. You turned your only most loyal blood against you only by your stupid actions.

@Battalgazi and Maraz

I really don't get why you post with 2 different nicks. It has been proven in past that it's same person.

I am pretty sure you still don't get it, I am not playing and I have nothing to do with Monte Carlo, frankly I barely even know who are tops there.
If you don't get it by now, you aren't shot 1st cause no one considers you real threat. Leviticus even 10 times weaker than you is 10 times bigger threat than you cause again I say you are incapable of doing things mister self proclaimed leader of the Turks. You aren't cowards? You are always here for years? What's with changing name then? You got bored of Marazzino name and looked for more stupid name? You are here for years and you got pretty big I can give you that, sad thing is you are still useless family with never doing shit right except dying. Even your long term friends see this now, you are fails.

I looked myself in a mirror many times, I know very well what we did right and wrong and I have absolutely no problem talking open about it all. I don't blame you for Aztec shit in 3.3 it was clever move tbh, but it was done so freaking stupid on tactical level that even if you could achieve much more with it you failed cause again you are too short sighted to do anything smart. You keep talking about that Hangover issues in 3.3, man if I would start naming every blood you guys sold it would take days if not weeks. Every single version you played you found way to sell someone and lose trust of someone.

Again I repeat I am not Monte Carlo nor I have anything to do with them, but really? You are calling me out for not helping bloods immediately? What game did you play... Vincitori helped every single blooded same day or within next few days since 2.9 and Hangover wouldn't be different if reset wasn't announced next day after they got shot. No matter how big opponents were or no matter what we would lose with it. Thing you can blame us for is actually getting some of our bloods killed, but we simply didn't want to let people look at us like a joke as they do to you, so if we found out ppl are screwing us over we would get them killed much like Krays did to you now.

All your stories about your bravery and shit... I don't think anyone buys it anymore, honor? You saw honor only on movies. Everyone saw who you really are, hell if Krays even wanted you dead that just shows you are pretty damn fucking alone in your world of lies and illusions, you can at least look for a new family to drag down with you in future...

Ok I might have sounded different than I thought.
My intention is not to downgrade Marazzino members, for all I know you might be really great guys, nor I wanted to insult Turkish players. I am well aware of your pride and it's admirable. But Marazzino tops or at least Battalgazi, well he is trash, and he is making you all look like morons to everyone who has higher IQ than a sea sponge. That's why I said you either need better top or to disband family, cause people who are leading you now are nowhere near honor and bravery and what you try to show as their member.

You can't be this stupid can you? Please tell everyone you are joking?

1st of all it's not my pact, I'm retired. However I am enjoying downfall of Battalgazi cause maybe 10% of you know who he really is and what he is ready to do. I'm not angry at all, in fact I am quite jolly atm.
Without overreacting I can say Marazzino is one of most useless families who ever started on omerta, Battalgazi's ''fight the pact'' stories are just bullshit to cover his incapability and fails. Everyone who ever worked or tried to work with Battalgazi and Marazzino knows this. They have nothing to give to any family, they're here just to take. Day when Marazzino disbands or gets real top it will be best day for Turkish families. They pretend they are their leader or whatever, but truth is they couldn't lead group of blind men over a street.

And problem with them being leaders is they have no charisma to do so, cause they are cowards who wanna play safe or suicide. They simply don't know any other way. And even when they think they're doing something smart it ends up being so stupid that it usually kills them and fams around them.

I'm sorry if you're Marazzino member, I really am.

I was actually more interested in what do you think on your beloved Krays shooting your lying ass down though, I don't mind your win/loss record cause there's no rational way for normal person to understand it. Also if you look that way killing Marazzino is like shooting dozen families cause you have your sisterhood of countless fams with you every single time...

And Batta... You licked my balls in 3.3 and acted so nice for quite some time so it's not like it's unknown to you, also you blooded all major families of ''pact'' through time (Vinci 3.0, Conflict 3.1, Vaffanculo 3,2) and all of these families gave up on you cause you were simply a shitty not trustworthy family who cared their own ass only, oh and you cared Krays too who you fucked over few days ago...
Face it man, you are fuck ups... Always were always will be, you can't do shit right except dying.

I wanna see Battalgazi's statement about this :|

lol amen to that...

We never joined the pact cuz according to many we were the core.
Point when this all started Vincitori had only 5 bloods when others had 8 or more, and we never imagined to create pact or whatever. We simply didnt wanna war with Conflict every version. After that one version, and bunch of fams gangbanging us cause we seemed like a weakest link even if we were in top 5 on fam stats. From that point on we simply wanted to kill all those families who gathered to kill us, even if we were friendly with some of them. That's where we were completely fine with blooding many families in order to kill the ones we wanted.

I can respond to this as well, even if it's just flame post.

I was not in Vinci in 2.1 and those fam pages are from there. I was with Vinci since 2.5 that's about 4 years. I am pretty sure everyone who mattered in big families knew who I am before 3.0. Especially cause I was pretty active on Fingon. I was with trenzo main guy in Vinci for wars and outside relations since 2.9.
You are tired pacts existed long before me, but this practicular pact you guys talk is from 3.2

Sent you request :P

Yeah I am on EUW xD

Nah no coming back just have some free time and still following what's going on in game on OB news. I wrote in that wall of text Vinci is retired for good, and so am I unless something really crazy happens and I pick up Omerta again.

Yeah I play LoL now with some other Vinci people, game is quite fun, even watching pro matches is cool. I didn't really start playing ranked much, but plan on doing so in season 3! Wanted to get 1st nice pool of champions and runes/rune pages :P
You play as well?

Can't you just agree they are all sneaky bastards?

This isn't true

1st of all ''Affis'' never joined pact, Vincitori blooded Conflict for 1st time in 3.2 and even then we worried about Righelli and pretty much wanted em dead, but shooting them 1st would simply be retarded on every tactical aspect. Even if we had no real enemies that version and some of fams who would shoot us later we considered friends, at some points we trusted those more than Conflict, cause Conflict had weird bloods list.
We wanted Righelli dead, but not so damn much to kill them asap, also I was sure sooner or later they will do something stupid cause as I stated before I thought they hate us. We agreed with Conflict they wont shoot Marangello and we wont shoot Righelli unless it is needed, and shooting wont happen vice versa. Then Righelli shot us with some other families which resulted in all of us dying.

Righelli didn't shoot us only in 3.3 but they shot our bloods. In the end if reset was not announced we would've shot Righelli.

We made wars with families who weren't related with us quite some times, we also organized channels with families we barely knew... Just there are families you can trust, and families you can't. You need to know whats in all this for you and them, and take decision yourself about doing smth.
Reputation takes large part in fucking over someone, same as power in game.
We even had bloods who tried to screw us over in talks like this, as long as you pick up from your mistakes and don't repeat them you'll be fine... We weren't elite or anything unseen to this game, we didn't have unlimited resources or whatever you think. We had goals, allies and enemies on our way. I knew most of people even before talking to them, I knew what I can expect from them.

And we had our ''team'' cause we saw other teams are just not reliable, we tried to surround ourselves with trustworthy family, and when we worked with non-related families we were sure to know what are their motives and what to expect.
I remember offering some of them even shooting my own bloods if things don't go way we told em will, usually when you show to others u are ready to risk a lot and go balls deep they reward you with doing their part right. However there were times when we were played as well.

So don't worry I know pretty good how it is on that side :P

lol you people are really clueless...

I can tell you why is Donalo in middle of this story even if I don't play.

It's cause Donalo is one of rare tops who can make things happen, who can think (even if not smart sometimes), and who can make actions. Donalo is not puppet or marionette, he doesn't build family to serve others, and once he builds family he will try what he can do achieve his goal.

Reason why he was behind all this is cause this is glimmer of hope for Leviticus to return to game, and when you end up putting your hopes in families like this it is pretty damn sad and you are pretty much fucked. Now in his anger he released real story, which will probably only hurt him and his family in longer run but it will give everyone good laugh for tonight.
It has been like this for ages, people with connections and brain run the show with family or not.

It's funny how you people talk about this really...

1st of all at start of version I had no idea who Monte Carlo is, for sure it's not Vincitori or whatever you people call it. Vincitori is retired and there is 99% chance it will stay retired pretty much forever cause tops who managed Vinci from 2.9-3.0 moved on away from game. Trenzo, Joellin, asli, Lovendetta, Vapura, me etc. are all retired and there pretty much every story of Vincitori you all loved to hate ends. I know good enough that no one of these people plans to return to game and play cause everyone is busy doing something else. You can all talk about Vinci being hidden or changing names or whatever but only truth is Vincitori as family is not playing anymore. Ofc with player base Vinci had and all friendships and trust people got with each other inside Vinci it is most likely they will join new (different) families together or play together. As I stated up Vincitori you all loved to hate is pretty much gone forever, you can breath safely now and lower down ur pitchforks for witch hunt...

Original pact?
Wanna talk about pacts, I'll tell you all what original pact was. It was Kerberos - Vincitori in 2.9 where I personally realized how strong relation u can build with only trust to one family. All this pacting and shit you all talk about comes mostly from 3.0 where Vaffanculo blooded Kerberos Vincitori and Gravano, we had no idea really who Vaffanculo is nor can we trusted them on start but we risked it and it turned out better than we ever expected. When you are winning and dominating version things change so did relationships between family.
Pact is not between families, it's between people and it's not even a pact, it's bond with trust and friendship... I wont overreact when I say I never really talked to anyone from Conflict about plans except with Rbaiao and eviL, manhell from Gravano, Bazjuuh and Vincej from Vaffanculo, MafiaTurk, SiN and Phenky from Liberta...
That's where your pact is, cause these people stood by their word given and did not try to break it, or abuse it they played open and built trust. That's what 90% of families lack... They all are run by fear, and they talk/do anything in order to survive. Your word as family top is most valuable thing you can have and trust to build and be sure not to break it easily. You can make games, and twist words and shit but be sure that in the end all of that will backfire on you and only people who you were true with will stay with you.

For all the time you guys talked about Conflict - Vinci - Righelli pact, hell I barely even knew Righelli guys, did I want to shoot them, yes pretty fucking bad cause imo they're pretty much haters of family for whom I used to play, but it was never my priority. When we played, we played to win, we didn't try to make enemies every step of the way, but we did. However it's really ironic how you people cry about pacts and shit when maybe 5% of you so called tops have real idea what's going on in game. Most of tops these days are nothing but jokes, who can't do shit but either gather group of rankers or rank fast. Half of you doesn't deserve any respect, or even family up.

This game is left with not more than a few real tops who know how to play, and most of those tops are on same side, it's not pact problem... Problem is all of you, problem is even before so called "pact" was formed families were still doing same shit. Before 3.2 lets wait for Affi and Conflict to kill each other so we can kill whoever survives, if we don't succeed well pretty fucking bad will wait till reset comes. After Conf and Affi stopped killing each other, it was like we need to kill one of those two or we will die.
To tell you truth, you (Violenza, Leviticus, Gambino, Bruinsma, Tempestuoso, Kurosawa and many more) created this. Bond that these families built was created in 3.2 when you made prolly stupidest decision in last few version. That 1 war created trust and bond that was very fragile at those days between Conflict and us, and from there it was easier to do everything.
I know, we made same mistake back in 2.7 when Affinitas and Conflict etc. were enemies, every time we would fight them, they would get closer and there for stronger.

Families who blood family close to pact, just fucking realized that there are very damn few trustworthy families in this game, and they would rather work with those who they can trust then get headaches with bunch of joker families.

Frankly I feel proud of what I and few others created when I see how much you cry and simply don't understand basics of this game. And for all of you who talk about other families trying to join pact, no one is trying to join it, there is no way to join it... I wrote to you in this wall of text what pact is, be smart and create one yourself or break it, but brute force isn't right tool for that... But I seriously doubt most of you are capable of that. You need to be ready to lose in order to win.