What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.

Kind of weird tbh :P

Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If you ask me Marazzino Catania Righelli did help Gravano or Messina, simply by shooting in that war on same side. You can theory craft about what would happen if, but I have no intention to do so. Does that mean Gravano owes something to Marazzino, or that Lucchese owes something to ISPP, no it doesn't. But imo fact remains that Marazzino/ISPP helped Gravano/Lucchese in that war simply by shooting on same side even if not on same targets. There shouldn't be nice or not nice on Omerta, all good deeds you did fall down if your next action is bad. So if you fuck someone up all good things you did before for them get forgotten in a second, and only desire to fuck them back remains...

I am not saying you dislike them or anything like that, but saying you hope they re-rank and come back to kill you (which I guess that's what they think now) is beyond absurd. You are smart to know you just shook whole Omerta world and relations big time (unless this was planned by larger group of families who aren't involved in war). Think ISPP is more than good for .com, and think this your action will only show in future that ISPP's importance on .com for game play is big. However I don't think you want to see them back in a month, or at least not with number power they had right now. My blind guess is, I really can't see ISPP's bloods being happy with this action of yours, to make it worse some of them are your mutual bloods. Imo you have a lot of fires to put out now, last thing you need atm is to worrying about ISPP ranking back up massively to kill you (or your bloods who shot), probably inside one of your close bloods. You have to be some kind of mazochist to hope they re-rank right now :P

Same as you can't be oblivious to the facts that ISPP (maybe not directly, or intentionally) helped you with their "stupid" actions (Pentagram thing), but I think they got lesson now to not do dirty job for others. I don't think you owe em anything or that you need to explain yourself to anyone here. Unless you made some kind of deals with them public can't know for, you did really brave move.

You don't need to explain it actually, anyone who understands game understands very damn good how ISPP helped Lucchese this version. Anyone who denies it or tries to say it is not true is either not clever enough about game politics or trying to make this move look better. There is absolutely no need for that, this war was great for game. This war is exactly what this game needed, what most of families needed. Think it's absurd to talk about any real pacts at this point, this is pretty much every family for itself. This kind of war shows how stupid were plans to try to kill everyone at once...
On the other hand I really laughed at ReBorN's post saying he hopes for ISPP to return, I don't think anyone of Lucchese or families who shot tonight wants that. I know I wouldn't if I am on their place, last thing they need is huge group of angry vengeful people ranking back up just after they feel fucked over and sold. There was really no need for that post, it looked more like an apology or call for truce to the family they just shot... ISPP probably did way more to Lucchese than vice versa, and there is chance Lucchese wouldn't be up (or some of their bloods) if there wasn't for ISPP, but Lucchese acted as mafia family and did what they thought was needed, only can respect moves like that.

Still very good war, it was brave move from all attacking families. For Omerta's sake it's best if wars like this keep happening.

I don't know much about what happened, but I got some pieces of it. I must say move done by Messina and ISPP is most mafia alike move I saw for very long time. Makes them look pretty badass, blooding Pentagram just so they can stick their knife deeper in them, that's pretty damn cold.

I really don't get why people are flaming Pentagram for?

Seems it was Vogue's decision to do this despite what Pentagram thought of it. Their as 1 and sister shit is just laughable, if you can't agree with majority what you want to do, don't make alliances and as ones.
And for sure don't go out like emo thinking you achieved something with writing some stupid message on your family page while you're dying for nothing.

Your stating facts sounds quite bitter.
Your talk about KA, it works both ways. You will never get shot by 2-3 families (unless you are small and unimportant), instead when you get shot hell will open upon you. It will be huge mass of families gunning you down. It has been like this for ages, those who have bigger numbers and better organization win. There is no elite families or anything, numbers + brain will always prevail. Also famous befriend them than backstab can only work once, after you play that card you're either marked as backstaber or you lose family you were good with. Especially cause next version everyone wants revenge on you.

Your remark about 2.5 earlier is quite interesting, cause imo 2.5 was one of the best, if not the best version I saw. Reason for that was that Omerta was still kind of fresh, and there was not so many good and strong relations. Families were ready to shoot anyone in order to get on top. I remember Righelli and Fumatore gunning down Conflict alliance who seemed strongest.

All "pacts" (same as bloods) are built defensive, you need bloods to protect yourself, and usually bloods have common enemies. Now when half of game wants you dead, your only chance is to stick with other half and try to make them either your allies or at least not enemies. People tried to destroy these things with brute force, harder you hit them they'll come back stronger. Every time you shoot 2-3 bloods at same time, they might die but their bond groves stronger. You wont defeat anyone by simply killing them (unless you have such a power that you can do it over and over again without losing), only way to beat that play style was for everyone to play RPG and forget past version as soon as new one starts. Think most of us players failed on that part.
Now it's too late to change, game is played this way for years, and I am sure many players never even saw other way to play it. To some will sound absurd when they hear that Messina and Gravano used to be enemies, or that Yigidos (and what not) were nothing more but a small sister family of random families... Everyone made 4 fams alliance cause that was way to play it and having more than 3-4 bloods was not trend. Alliance blooded alliances, but only ones you could really trust were your own people...

You can complain about pacts and discuss who ruined game more admins or players, I can tell you imo players did, admins just did nothing to save it. Tbh for spectator point it looks like Brando is only trying to milk every cent he can from Omerta before it dies, don't really think he cares anymore. In past he would at least pretend he gives a fuck now and then.

That's one stupid statement. Also pact-antipacting, what does that even mean :P

Leviticus was one of rare who stood and fought when it was time to fight and not bury their head in sand thinking we will win by others fighting our battles (and it's like this since Levi started if I remember good).

Again that's doubtful... No one declines these families won version (I guess) but that version itself was pretty damn bad if I recall correctly. Also I am sure Leviticus having quite big bloods list on start of that version, if not the biggest alongside Violenza (who was blooded to Leviticus). I stopped following that version after we died, all I know it was pretty big mess and there was ton of shit talking on this site during version. I don't think anyone denies these families won version, I am just sure Leviticus made quite some enemies that they didn't have in that version. Also I think they lost quite some respect, while I'm sure they have gained some also.

Families who are willing to stick with 4-5 bloods usually have more than 4-5 bloods, cause no matter how big you and your bloods are, you will get outnumbered and shot if you have 5 bloods from start. You simply need tactical bloods that you can "lose" along the road. We tried famous 4-5 bloods thing in version you mentioned, we were in top 5 families, with all our bloods being in top 10 families and we got crushed by overwhelming force. That 5 blood thing will never work in game as it is now.

Go awayy Lovendetta you're drunk :P

Very possible you pointed it out and I just read through it, my apologies in that case.
On the other hand I can understand anyone who does this now, simply cause you can not make difference when you're dead, and respect by random people(fams) wont keep you alive when 20+ fams wanna shoot you...
You're either part of the problem or dead, or on your way to be dead or problem. It's been like this for versions. Fact is that winning/surviving families always get very little respect in version they dominate, usually that respect comes much much later.

Because if you don't chances are quite good that you'll get shot by someone else who did that.

Facing the facts, I think lackeys were necessary evil. Mindless clicking can be fun for a while, but it gets god damn boring. I really can't believe that people (including me) were ready to do that for so long time. Scripts were running game one way or another. Removing lackeys or even making them significantly weaker than script would just bring scripts back again. There is no really way back from this point.
Thing I hated the most when I played were car nicks & crimes, and for that for me lackeys were god send cause I would keep forgetting to click on crime/car nick while reading stuff on internet or talking on irc. I had idea back when I played that car nick/crime lackeys were best thing that happened to omerta, but B/N was a bit too much, cause logging in once per hour wasn't that hard. Also old way of b/n ranking for ever hour was pretty good for casual players, when you could log in at :55 buy/sell wait 5 minutes and do it again and you would get full rp for 2 hours.

Imo they shouldn't remove or cripples lackeys cause it would just encourage someone to make another enigma, booster, kitten, atremo or what not. They should configure lackeys that they still help casual players keep up with those who invest more time, but make difference between someone who invests 6-8 hours on his account and someone who invests 2.

PS. That drug analogy was quite cool, and painfully right on spot.

Yeah that's what I have meant. With current management (Brando and his group) this game is dead horse.
If this game had management who wanted to make game better, put effort, listen players and improve this game would kept expanding.

Memento-Conquista-Samagono-Sindikat-Calogero were also pretty much an alliance (or pact) in 2.9. Before and after that Memento and Xzone (later Calogero) were as 1. Nothing wrong with that, just back then people didn't use to make so much noise about it, but only a moron would shoot 1 of those families thinking rest wont react on him and he will get away.
When you look at it that way, each family that got big and did something meaningful was part of bigger group, that people called alliance or pact. You wont find any family, not single one that (except Krays maybe who also had sister family Graceland with different tops in 2.7), that wasn't part of bigger group/alliance/pact.

You don't have anything to do in this game as single family, it's simple very simple game. Reason why there are no fair wars is cause game is shrinking and there is less different players but more dupes, there is less leaders who are really leaders and not followers. Imo game will only get worse and worse, it has very little space for improving.

With all due respect to some Turkish families, they didn't find shit.

Turkish families were always big, even bigger than last few versions. Hell one of biggest turkish families Favians is not even playing for some time now as I know (and they were one of better families). Problem is most of Turkish families wouldn't know what to do and when they need to act, and when not, when they need to shoot, and when not to back out of war. They always relay someone will do the work for them and they can come up as clean up squad..

Reason why Turks ''won'' version is cause main powerhouses of this game stopped playing. You keep hunting, and dreaming some of these families still play when you see some of their members or tops in random families. You all come here yelling out loud that and that family is Conflict/Vinci/Vaffa/Lucchese/(insert family name here)... But sad truth is most of these families completely lost interest to play this game. This game has 0 progress it's only making money for Brando's Marry Christmas. You got resets of 4-5 versions 2 weeks before Christmas.

You can be delusional and think you actually found answer or beaten powerhouses, but sad truth is no one apart from DIG and Leviticus had very damn low chances of killing old powerhouses. Turkish families are mostly joke, all of them wanna make peace to be safe on start and not get into problems, other type can't think for themselves at all. And there's 3rd type that is just completely lost in game world. Hell comparing to some of those families even Adolf's Violenza looks like decent family at least they're triggerhappy.
Only thing you figured out to do is sit and do shit, hopefully grow big and then hit when someone is weak. Then come here talk loud. You made countless sister families/alliances. I still remember marvelous explanations some of your tops were giving me for ur fam relations while I've played.

Hell if I and Vinci could still be bothered to play, I would make peace with Leviticus for sure, just to see what your sorry asses would do then, cause as you say you found answer. I hope, I really do hope some families do this, cause without families like Leviticus Krays or DIG fighting your wars, your chances of winning version are below 0.

Shit.

We're going up. I better get my nick back from random guy in Turkuz who regged it.

What's damn funny about this war from what I can see is that Blacksea/Yigidos alliance thought they can do same shit that was done to them few days ago, when families just grouped and shot Leviticus inside their alliance without giving any fucks what will Blacksea etc do.
Way I see from here is that, they wanted to do same now to Milazzo (or whatever is name), and then got bitchslapped hard by real alliance lol.

It's kind of sad, cause it seems that Blacksea/Yigidos thought they can "trade" enemies, then they got denied pretty hard.

What game are you playing?
Marazzino and finishing targets, oh god you can literally see anything written on this site...


Dude really?
Marazzino had 8 sister families and as ones 2-3 versions ago. Also you started quite some versions with 3-4 families as sissies or whatever...

You Marazzino fellas really have gold fish memory.

I really don't know why I even bother but Affinitas as alliance ended in 2.8, that was last time Affinitas existed. You can not delete history of some families there for Gravano Liberta and Vincitori will always have Affinitas in their history. Also you don't want to break old friendships over nothing so it's pretty logical Vincitori Gravano and Liberta remained close.
You guys putting Vaffanculo in Affinitas is laughable, same as calling Monte Carlo Vincitori. In fact I would like to know who from tops of Vincitori is top in Monte Carlo cause apart from Amenta who joined us as top in 3.1 I don't know anyone else.

About Liberta building Affinitas family, I think it happened in 3.4 and it was only Liberta family. I don't care how they gonna call their family, all I know is there's a lot of people in Liberta who still like Affinitas and what it used to be. With time I gave up on saying we aren't Affinitas, it was simply easier for you guys to mark us that way.

In fact Vinci and Krays were never bloods, while Marazzino was blood to Vinci in 3.0