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Since 13:00 CET suddenly the loggerbot stopped working. Which means we can't provide anyone with statistics anymore. We did some research and found out more people got the same problems.

- edo-nieuws - site for .nl news/stats
- d-bot - .nl stats/bot

also got the same problems.

Not only the loggerpage is blocked; we can't access any pages on Omerta. This is the reason why the user profiles are also broken at this moment.

So we went to #help to get some more information, you can read the complete log below.

Devs / Newbs from #help ofcourse try to put the problem at us, fact is, we didn't changed a thing, nor did d-bot and edo-nieuws and suddenly it stopped working.

Most strange/funnny thing is.. out big (admin)friend Trace with his TraBot site has no problems what so ever, since he's allowed to have a loggerbot ingame, and other loggerbots will be akilled. It seems, however, that any data he retrieves using the same page the rest of use is also corrupted, indicating that he is also blocked from this page.

Any attempts to ask the admins in all seriousness what exactly is the problem with our bots and how we can fix those have been simply ignored.

I'm already retired for ages due the attitude and the unfairness of the majority of the admins. I only report news and provide the players with statistics, but if this continues.. Rix and myself will retire from this all.

Update:
The logger works again. Thanks Dherder for his help with this.

The following changes were needed to make the logger work again:

  • Make the script look human. As different people suggested, certain headers were needed to tell the page it was a normal person looking at the page specifically designed for bots (oh, the irony!). Luckily, using those headers, the page could easily be lied to.

  • Filter out unneeded chunks of random data which break up the page. On the normal page everything looks fine, but when the page is downloaded using a script random bits of small data were added for an unknown reason to break everything up, resulting in major errors. If anyone else reads this with the intention to get help, the following regex can be used to filter out those chunks of useless data: ^\w{2,4}$ Afterwards everything needs to be joined again by removing all the line breaks.

Everything works again now as it should, but the question remains: the blocking of bots could be the result of an update of the server software, but why did the sysops not mention this to us but instead told us that it was because our bots needed to be fixed? And even so, how did those useless bits of random data sneak in, which is an easy way to break the consistency of a script?
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Log from #help:

Session Start: Wed Jul 06 15:09:40 2011
Session Ident: #help
15:09 • Joined #help
15:09 • Topic: Welcome in #help | Don't pm crew please | ENGLISH ONLY!!! | No crew available? write a ticket: http://www.barafranca.com/tickets | Game faq: http://gamewiki.barafranca.com | IRC Help: #help.irc or http://ircwiki.barafranca.com Omerta does not refund for bugs - BUT - this was NOT a bug.
15:09 • Set by kiti`[email protected] on [Sunday, July 3rd 2011, 20:11:54]
15:09 from Helpster - Welcome to #help, the Omerta .COM help channel. Please make sure you have read the F.A.Q. before asking any questions. We're using a queue system, so please wait until you get voice. Then, state your questions in one line. Also, don't ask to ask, just state your question in the channel.
15:10 • Arcanine [[email protected]] has joined #help
15:20 • bozkan [[email protected]] has joined #help
15:20 • bozkan [[email protected]] has left #help
15:22 @Wildhorse • !next
15:22 &Helpster • Rix|brb: Please state your question(s).
15:22 • Helpster set mode [+v Rix|brb]
15:22 @Wildhorse • hi Rix|brb
15:34 %CorluKa › slaps Wildhorse around a bit with a large trout ·79·
15:34 %CorluKa • !next
15:34 &Helpster • sbanks`: Please state your question(s).
15:34 • Helpster set mode [+v sbanks`]
15:34 • Bramblerose [[email protected]] has quit IRC
15:34 %CorluKa • hey sbanks`
15:35 +sbanks` • hi
15:35 +sbanks` • i need to speak with a dev or so..
15:35 @Wildhorse • !done Rix|brb idle
15:35 • Helpster set mode [+b *!*[email protected]]
15:35 • This *!*[email protected] ban affects: +Rix|brb
15:35 • Helpster [[email protected]] has kicked Rix|brb [idle]
15:35 @Wildhorse • devs are never in help channels
15:36 +sbanks` • they are nowhere, you guys have the connections :)
15:36 @Wildhorse • devs are payed to develop and not for chatting
15:36 • KissMyBullet [[email protected]] has joined #help
15:36 %CorluKa • why sbanks`?
15:36 +sbanks` • all loggerbots are down, i guess due a change devs made
15:40 • irc.barafranca.com set mode [-b *!*[email protected]]
15:41 %CorluKa • KissMyBullet stop whining
15:41 %CorluKa • and wait for your time
15:41 • xanato [[email protected]] has joined #help
15:42 +sbanks` • sooo ?
15:42 +sbanks` • help :p
15:43 @Wildhorse • sbanks`
15:43 %CorluKa • !next
15:43 &Helpster • Arcanine: Please state your question(s).
15:43 • Helpster set mode [+v Arcanine]
15:43 %CorluKa • Arcanine
15:43 +sbanks` • Wildhorse
15:43 @Wildhorse • there is realy nothing wrong with api
15:43 @Wildhorse • and no ip's or sites are blocked
15:43 @Wildhorse • no ip bans
15:43 @Wildhorse • and no in firewalls
15:43 @Wildhorse • so its realy not on our side
15:44 @Wildhorse • xml pages look fine to me
15:44 +sbanks` • well.. maybe not on that file.. but maybe devs changed some setting overall..
15:44 +sbanks` • its not only beyond
15:44 +sbanks` • its edo news
15:44 +sbanks` • its dbot
15:44 +sbanks` • and much more
15:44 +sbanks` • all have the same problem
15:44 +sbanks` • since 13:00
15:44 +sbanks` • so dont come its our fault or what so ever
15:44 @Wildhorse • i think i'm capable to write a working bot for those xml pages in 30 minutes
15:45 +sbanks` • also we have problems grabbing profiles from http://barafranca.com/gangsters/Juju
15:45 +sbanks` • listen Wildhorse..
15:45 +sbanks` • dont try to be smart ass now
15:45 +sbanks` • it worked
15:45 +sbanks` • before 13:00
15:45 +sbanks` • like its working
15:45 +sbanks` • for the last few versions
15:45 +sbanks` • suddenly
15:45 +sbanks` • after 13:00
15:45 +sbanks` • all loggerbots
15:45 +sbanks` • fail to grab data
15:46 +sbanks` • and i quote myself
15:46 +sbanks` • 15:44 +sbanks` • its not only beyond
15:46 +sbanks` • 15:44 +sbanks` • its edo news
15:46 +sbanks` • 15:44 +sbanks` • its dbot
15:46 +sbanks` • 15:44 +sbanks` • and much more
15:46 @Wildhorse • i checked with all persons who can know it , and i get same answers
15:46 !Teckna • fix your bots
15:46 !Teckna • !done sbanks`
15:46 • Helpster set mode [+b *!*[email protected]]
15:46 • This *!*[email protected] ban affects: +sbanks`
15:46 • Helpster [[email protected]] has kicked sbanks` [Thanks for visiting, we hope we were able to answer your question.]
Session Close: Wed Jul 06 15:46:19 2011

Log from #help.nl:
Jul 06 14:52:30 * Now talking on #help.nl
Jul 06 14:52:30 * Topic for #help.nl is: Welkom in #help.nl | W8 op je voice(+) | PM zonder toestemming = kick | Vragen over IRC/Chat: #help.irc en/of voor scripts: #feds.scripting | Nickchange = kick/ban | Hoppen = kick/ban | http://gamewiki.barafranca.com/index.php?title=Main_Page_%28NL%29 | Problemen met dc? Steun omerta -] onderaan contact formulier invullen!
Jul 06 14:52:30 * Topic for #help.nl set by Schrobb|[email protected] at Sat Jun 18 08:38:12 2011
Jul 06 14:52:30 -Helpster- Welkom in #help.nl, Het Omerta .NL help kanaal. Lees a.u.b. eerst de V.G.V. voor je een vraag stelt. We gebruiken een rij-systeem, wacht dus totdat je een voice(+v) krijgt. Stel dan je vraag in éen regel. Vraag niet om je vraag te stellen, stel je vraag gewoon gelijk in het kanaal.
Jul 06 14:52:36 [Dherder] als dat jullie beredenering is
Jul 06 14:52:38 [Dherder] :')
Jul 06 14:52:46 [Dherder] !next Rix pls
Jul 06 14:52:49 [Dherder] die kan er meer over vertellen
Jul 06 14:53:07 [Wildhorse] !next
Jul 06 14:53:07 [Helpster] Touri: Stel je vragen aub
Jul 06 14:53:07 * Helpster gives voice to Touri
Jul 06 14:53:13 [Touri] Hoi
Jul 06 14:53:18 [Touri] Ik was hier gister ook
Jul 06 14:53:20 [Wildhorse] hoi
Jul 06 14:53:25 [Touri] Dat is 2x in 12 uur kon Ocèn
Jul 06 14:53:25 [Wildhorse] vertel
Jul 06 14:53:31 [Wildhorse] ja dat is normaal
Jul 06 14:53:37 [Touri] :|
Jul 06 14:53:39 [Wildhorse] daar komt een newspost over
Jul 06 14:53:48 [Touri] Greenelite $333,193 06-07-2011 12:45:30 OC Wapen Expert
Jul 06 14:53:48 [Touri] Bud $296,456 06-07-2011 09:14:32 OC Explosieven Expert
Jul 06 14:53:49 [Wildhorse] het is een extraatje wat je krijgt na een promo
Jul 06 14:53:53 [Touri] Ow okej
Jul 06 14:54:09 [Wildhorse] dat was ie Touri ?
Jul 06 14:54:12 [Touri] Jeps
Jul 06 14:54:16 [Touri] Fijne dag
Jul 06 14:54:17 [Wildhorse] okies
Jul 06 14:54:18 * Touri ([email protected]) has left #help.nl
Jul 06 14:54:22 [Wildhorse] !next
Jul 06 14:54:23 [Helpster] Rix: Stel je vragen aub
Jul 06 14:54:23 * Helpster gives voice to Rix
Jul 06 14:54:27 [Wildhorse] hi Rix
Jul 06 14:54:37 [Rix] PHP Warning: file_get_contents([die ene link]): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
Jul 06 14:54:44 [Rix] En op een andere pagina:
Jul 06 14:54:45 [Rix] Warning: file_get_contents(http://www.barafranca.com/gangsters/setbyfoto): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden in /var/www/virtual/omertabeyond.com/news/htdocs/history.php on line 325 Call Stack: 0.0006 805104 1. {main}() /var/www/virtual/omertabeyond.com/news/htdocs/history.php:0 0.0082 911528 2. file_get_contents() /var/www/virtual/omertabeyond.com/news/htdocs/history.php:325
Jul 06 14:54:53 [Rix] Dat is wanneer ik barafranca.com/gangsters/setbyfoto
Jul 06 14:54:58 [Rix] Probeer te bereiken
Jul 06 14:55:03 [Rix] Niet alleen de loggerpage wordt geblockt dus
Jul 06 14:55:12 [Rix] Maar álle pagina's van Bara
Jul 06 14:55:23 [Rix] Iig voor ip van Omerta Beyond's server
Jul 06 14:55:27 [Rix] Of weet ik veel hoe het geblockt wordt
Jul 06 14:55:29 [Rix] blijkbaar niet op ip
Jul 06 14:55:31 [Wildhorse] je doet dat via beyond ?
Jul 06 14:55:33 [Rix] Ja
Jul 06 14:55:40 [Rix] Nou
Jul 06 14:55:41 [Rix] Nee
Jul 06 14:55:44 [Rix] wel de server van Beyond
Jul 06 14:55:46 [Wildhorse] dan zal daar de fout zitten neem ik aan
Jul 06 14:55:47 [Rix] Niet vanuit Beyond
Jul 06 14:55:49 [Rix] Hahaha
Jul 06 14:55:52 [Rix] Ja lekker makkelijk
Jul 06 14:55:53 [Dherder] euhm
Jul 06 14:55:57 [Dherder] zit hier vanuit andere ip
Jul 06 14:55:58 [Rix] Wacht
Jul 06 14:55:59 [Dherder] andere server
Jul 06 14:56:04 [Dherder] andere manier, werkt ook niet
Jul 06 14:56:07 [Wildhorse] dat kan niet anders want die pagina is niet veranderd
Jul 06 14:56:09 [Rix] http://news.omertabeyond.com/userhistory/setbyfoto
Jul 06 14:56:11 [Wildhorse] dus dat moet dan wel
Jul 06 14:56:12 [Rix] Die pagina bedoel ik
Jul 06 14:56:17 [Rix] Dat is niet Beyond
Jul 06 14:56:21 [Rix] Dat is gewoon een php pagina
Jul 06 14:56:28 [Rix] Waarvan ik 1.5 uur terug een melding over keeg
Jul 06 14:56:32 [Rix] Dat die broken was
Jul 06 14:56:40 [Rix] En dat is dus NIET die logger pagina, maar gewoon bara/gansters/ingame
Jul 06 14:56:52 [Rix] Die ene pagina dat je profielen kan bekijken terwijl je niet ingelogd bent
Jul 06 14:57:03 [Rix] EXACT zelfde probleem als in die loggerpagina
Jul 06 14:57:14 [Rix] Prob ligt dus niet bij die loggerpagina, maar bij een algemene blacklist op jullie server
Jul 06 14:57:20 [Wildhorse] dat zijn dus die 2 xml pagina's
Jul 06 14:57:41 [Rix] bara/gangsters/ingame is NIET een xml pagina
Jul 06 14:57:57 [Rix] http://www.omerta3.com/gangsters/Wildhorse
Jul 06 14:57:59 [Rix] Probeer die maar
Jul 06 14:58:03 [Rix] Is gewoon een normale pagina
Jul 06 14:58:09 [Rix] Maar voor onze server wordt hij gewoon geblockt
Jul 06 14:58:23 [Rix] Met wss exact dezelfde block die wij voor de loggerpagina op ons bord krijgen
Jul 06 14:58:26 [Wildhorse] de bedoeling is volgens mij dat de bots hun informatie van die xml pagina's rippen right ?
Jul 06 14:58:28 [Rix] (behalve natuurlijk Trabot)
Jul 06 14:58:30 [Rix] Ja
Jul 06 14:58:35 [Rix] Zodat we geen accountje meer nodig hadden
Jul 06 14:58:39 [Rix] Aangezien dat teveel load was
Jul 06 14:58:40 [Wildhorse] idd
Jul 06 14:58:41 [Rix] Aldus de devs
Jul 06 14:59:17 [Rix] Pagina's lijken mij dus inderdaad ook ongewijzigd, dit is gewoon algehele block naar ons toe op serverniveau
Jul 06 14:59:32 [Dherder] idd, er is daar sws iets in veranderd
Jul 06 15:00:15 [Wildhorse] ok op server niveau praten we dus op teckna niveau
Jul 06 15:00:29 [Rix] ye
Jul 06 15:00:50 [Wildhorse] ik denk dat het dus het handigste is even contact op de nemen met hem aangaande dit issue
Jul 06 15:01:02 [Rix] Nou hij zit hier toch
Jul 06 15:01:08 [Wildhorse] ja altijd
Jul 06 15:01:26 [Wildhorse] maar geen mens weet op welke afstand van zijn keyboard hij zich bevind :P
Jul 06 15:01:32 [Rix] Kan je hem an niet even vragen om hier op te letten? (ik weet dat hij meeste hl's negeerd)
Jul 06 15:01:50 * Dherder slaps Teckna :$
Jul 06 15:02:03 [Wildhorse] sec
Jul 06 15:04:00 [Wildhorse] ok Dherder Rix
Jul 06 15:04:21 [Wildhorse] er is geen ip ban of firewall op beyond
Jul 06 15:04:28 [Wildhorse] dus daar kan het toch niet aan liggen
Jul 06 15:04:46 [Dherder] dus gemene internet kabouters blokkeren ons van die pagina? :p
Jul 06 15:04:52 [Rix] Ik weet ook niet waar het aan ligt, ik heb geen zak verstand van internetbeveiliging
Jul 06 15:04:54 [Wildhorse] exact :P
Jul 06 15:05:04 [Rix] Ik weet alleen maar dat iig onze server geheel geblockt wordt met een http 403
Jul 06 15:05:24 [Dherder] zouden wij dan aub toch nog een e-mail kunnen sturen naar een opper dev voor verder verklaring hoezo server omerta reageert met 403?
Jul 06 15:05:55 [Rix] En ik moet zeggen dat het toch wel weer frappant is dat wij en ook kleine andere botbouwers wel opeens zomaar uit het niets geblockt zijn maar Trace ongehinderd is :')
Jul 06 15:06:00 [Wildhorse] [email protected] lijkt me daar het beste voor
Jul 06 15:06:11 [Dherder] mja trabot logt in
Jul 06 15:06:12 [Wildhorse] sinds die toch de leiding heeft over het werk daar
Jul 06 15:06:15 [Dherder] wat wij niet mogen :')
Jul 06 15:06:18 [Rix] Maargoed, in de woorden van Douglas Adams, dat is natuurlijk een nietszeggende teovalligheid
Jul 06 15:06:31 [Rix] Als Bramle oplet in #help kan ik haar daar ook wel aanspreken
Jul 06 15:06:45 * CowyKopf`AFK has quit (Client closed the connection)
Jul 06 15:07:05 [Wildhorse] ik heb alles wat mogelijk was laten checken voor jullie heren
Jul 06 15:07:19 [Rix] Nja goed
Jul 06 15:07:22 [Rix] Bedankt voor je tijd iig
Jul 06 15:07:27 [Wildhorse] geen probleem
Jul 06 15:07:28 [Dherder] HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
Jul 06 15:07:28 [Dherder] Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 11:49:33 GMT
Jul 06 15:07:28 [Dherder] Content-Length: 223
Jul 06 15:07:28 [Dherder] Keep-Alive: timeout=10, max=100
Jul 06 15:07:28 [Dherder] Connection: Keep-Alive
Jul 06 15:07:28 [Dherder] Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Jul 06 15:07:28 [Rix] Maar ik word hier wel aardig ziek van ondertussen
Jul 06 15:07:28 [Dherder] [!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"]
Jul 06 15:07:28 [Dherder] [html][head]
Jul 06 15:07:28 [Dherder] [title]403 Forbidden[/title]
Jul 06 15:07:29 [Dherder] [/head][body]
Jul 06 15:07:30 [Dherder] [h1]Forbidden[/h1]
Jul 06 15:07:32 [Dherder] on this server.[/p]
Jul 06 15:07:32 [Rix] wij zijn constant de dupen
Jul 06 15:07:33 [Dherder] [/body][/html]
Jul 06 15:07:34 [Dherder] toch krijg ik 403 :r
Jul 06 15:07:59 [Wildhorse] ok dus daarom lijkt het me wijsheid dat verhaal gewoon even op mail te zetten
Jul 06 15:08:21 [Dherder] en als dat niet verholpen word?
Jul 06 15:08:30 [Rix] Nja bedankt dus iig, jij bent nog een van de weinige goeien
Jul 06 15:08:33 * You have left channel #help.nl ("Bye !")
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 6 15:08:33 2011
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Wildhorse (16:10:50 - 06-07)
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Yeah someone with brains :D , they can indeed turn me into a chicken when it takes me longer then 30 minutes to make a (working!) bot for these stats :) .

have fun


Rix Netherlands (16:09:20 - 06-07)
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Wildhorse at 15:55:20 on 06/07:
It is still possible to use api and view the xml pages for use in bots :
http://barafranca.nl/BeO/webroot/index.php ?module=API , this was never changed and i still dont see any problem in using this pages , also i dont mind you publishing the help channel logs since i just simply told the truth and thats all .

greets ,

Wildhorse

ps had to use space in the link because your fine program is not capable to proces a word that long as it says :)

The link does work from browserview, indeed, that's what we already said to you. But when you try to access it through a coding language you get blocked.

Besides that, thank you for taking the time to post on our site. Not many crew members do that.
sbanks Guatemala (16:06:03 - 06-07)
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Wildhorse at 15:55:20 on 06/07:
It is still possible to use api and view the xml pages for use in bots :
http://barafranca.nl/BeO/webroot/index.php ?module=API , this was never changed and i still dont see any problem in using this pages , also i dont mind you publishing the help channel logs since i just simply told the truth and thats all .

greets ,

Wildhorse

ps had to use space in the link because your fine program is not capable to proces a word that long as it says :)


seem u got 0,0 code knowledge, and our fine program aka our site is coded fine. you wanted to post an url, use the [url] tags.. no problem then

also.. wow.. i can also open that page in my browser, now try get data from it with a bot.. F A I L
Anonymous (16:02:27 - 06-07)
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Arcanine at 15:59:19 on 06/07:
I stopped reading when I saw Wildhorse was answering the question.

Ask someone with brains.
Hahaha agreed.

I always thought Wildhorse was a chick...
imagine my surprise when I learned that it was in fact a guy..

Like really? :')
Arcanine Netherlands (15:59:19 - 06-07)
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I stopped reading when I saw Wildhorse was answering the question.

Ask someone with brains.
Wildhorse (15:55:20 - 06-07)
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It is still possible to use api and view the xml pages for use in bots :
http://barafranca.nl/BeO/webroot/index.php ?module=API , this was never changed and i still dont see any problem in using this pages , also i dont mind you publishing the help channel logs since i just simply told the truth and thats all .

greets ,

Wildhorse

ps had to use space in the link because your fine program is not capable to proces a word that long as it says :)

Smokey Netherlands (15:53:34 - 06-07)
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This is just bullcrap :')

think it's enough for now. Time for retirement and summer :w
Rix Netherlands (15:43:11 - 06-07)
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PannaJunk at 15:30:03 on 06/07:
Rix at 15:13:11 on 06/07:
PannaJunk at 14:48:06 on 06/07:
Who cares about the prob with loggerbots ? a bot made by a site of allways complaining ppl. Stop finding reasons to complain on omerta its getting pathetic....
Do you know how much time it takes to build a logger bot?

Thats your choice of picking a hobby...
Then aren't I allowed to ask questions why my hobby suddenly is abborted by no fault of my own, and they even blame me for it and do not want to tell me what I did wrong?
PannaJunk Tokelau (15:30:03 - 06-07)
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Rix at 15:13:11 on 06/07:
PannaJunk at 14:48:06 on 06/07:
Who cares about the prob with loggerbots ? a bot made by a site of allways complaining ppl. Stop finding reasons to complain on omerta its getting pathetic....
Do you know how much time it takes to build a logger bot?

Thats your choice of picking a hobby...
Rix Netherlands (15:13:11 - 06-07)
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PannaJunk at 14:48:06 on 06/07:
Who cares about the prob with loggerbots ? a bot made by a site of allways complaining ppl. Stop finding reasons to complain on omerta its getting pathetic....
Do you know how much time it takes to build a logger bot?
PannaJunk Tokelau (14:48:06 - 06-07)
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Who cares about the prob with loggerbots ? a bot made by a site of allways complaining ppl. Stop finding reasons to complain on omerta its getting pathetic....
Rix Netherlands (14:37:49 - 06-07)
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We are not saying anywhere this was is a personal attack or whatever on us.
Anonymous (14:35:34 - 06-07)
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Rix at 14:29:54 on 06/07:
Anonymous at 14:25:51 on 06/07:
perhaps there's another reasonable explanation why it's no longer possible to access pages without logging in ? first thing that jumps to my mind would be the recent attack where one person could just remove money without restriction...
So before jumping to conclusion on why beyond/edo/etc got affected... check why else they could've done it... if they did change those links to avoid getting hacked/intruded then I can only cheer their action on tbh

figure it's better placed here (a)
I agree with you, and I also think this could be the reason. But then they should have told us "Oh ye indeed at that time we changed this and this" and not "Everything should work. It's not possible it doesn't work. It's your fault. Fix your bots."

would depend on what matters help-desk-members have been informed about what has been changed and experimented... perhaps the change made was a temporary fix, to find the hole in the wall... then again am not a specialist in ict by far so I can't judge what they used it for or why they took the course of action they did... to state that they did it per se as an attack versus some websites isn't quite fair imo... and to blame Trabot for being 'adminfriendly' is a bridge too far as well... as you know quite well that Trace does get his stats from another source... thus can't be affected by the measures taken in this case... if this is done on purpose or not is not very clear so hard to prove and not worthy of starting another flame vs crew over... on personal level I have had my arguments with Brando before and I doubt we'll ever see eye-to-eye on any of the latest evolutions... this doesn't mean however that I just consider everything that's being done as a direct assault on anyone ...
Rix Netherlands (14:29:54 - 06-07)
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Anonymous at 14:25:51 on 06/07:
perhaps there's another reasonable explanation why it's no longer possible to access pages without logging in ? first thing that jumps to my mind would be the recent attack where one person could just remove money without restriction...
So before jumping to conclusion on why beyond/edo/etc got affected... check why else they could've done it... if they did change those links to avoid getting hacked/intruded then I can only cheer their action on tbh

figure it's better placed here (a)
I agree with you, and I also think this could be the reason. But then they should have told us "Oh ye indeed at that time we changed this and this" and not "Everything should work. It's not possible it doesn't work. It's your fault. Fix your bots."
Kyra Seychelles (14:27:43 - 06-07)
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and yet they say they changed nothing, and its the bot owners fault
Anonymous (14:25:51 - 06-07)
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perhaps there's another reasonable explanation why it's no longer possible to access pages without logging in ? first thing that jumps to my mind would be the recent attack where one person could just remove money without restriction...
So before jumping to conclusion on why beyond/edo/etc got affected... check why else they could've done it... if they did change those links to avoid getting hacked/intruded then I can only cheer their action on tbh

figure it's better placed here (a)
Anonymous (14:22:05 - 06-07)
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now u see the true face of admins ...
bcz this site writes the truth and not what admins wants