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Today i recieved a PM from mister Anonymousss, claiming he was the one removing the money ingame. The complete irc log with the "hacker" is posted below.
I also added the complete log from the conversation i had with Brando, its added below.
Conclusion of the chat i had with him: He can remove the cash from every player in the game who is kept in pocket. Bank money can't be touched. Money, Bullets, HP's and other stuff can't be added!
BANK YOUR MONEY!!
As curious as i was, i decided to test it..we first tested this at player Yoghami
After this i decided to crank it up a bit, sorry for the people who got hit, i picked randomly names.
All users were offline, so they could not have banked the cash!
During this, our reporterbot gave this information about the economy:
Bramblerose before:
Bramblerose after:
Update:
After revealing this hack on our site, admins have closed down #reina, in which the hacker was talking with people, and Sbanks has been g-lined.
Update:
#reina has been opened again by the admins, but the hacker has been banned there. He is now visiting #camorra, #krays and #omerta.
Update:
Brando joined #help (with the nick Brandupe, but the host matched) and has given there a statement.
[Brandupe] ok
[Brandupe] So there is clearly some clever dick operating
[Brandupe] With a simple exploit.
[Brandupe] Once we find it we will close it
[Brandupe] We cannot refund anyone's money
[Brandupe] that is shit
[Brandupe] Sorry for that but we cannot track that so not prove that so no refunds
[Brandupe] But
[Brandupe] We will consider our options tomorrow morning when most of crew are back online
[Brandupe] right now it is just me and a couple more crew members
[Brandupe] and devs are sleeping
[Brandupe] I suggest that anyone who has questions about this just leaves
Update:
With a sudden change of heart, Anonymousss has decided to report the exploit he used to Brando.
Update:
Added complete conversation log from Brando.
Update:
Omerta declares in a newspost that the backdoor has been fixed and tomorrow (6-7-11) Bramblerose will give more information!
I also added the complete log from the conversation i had with Brando, its added below.
Brando: And of course we are very sorry to the players who lost out. It is a shame that people use exploits, and difficult to exclude these when you have new developers on the team. We will close them later today and consider a rollback as well.
Conclusion of the chat i had with him: He can remove the cash from every player in the game who is kept in pocket. Bank money can't be touched. Money, Bullets, HP's and other stuff can't be added!
BANK YOUR MONEY!!
As curious as i was, i decided to test it..we first tested this at player Yoghami
01:18 Yoghami • Money
01:18 Yoghami • Cash $ 1,090,480
01:18 Yoghami • In bank account $ 600,000
we sent him 1,080,000 extra and told the "hacker" to remove his cash.
--
01:19 sbanks • Anonymousss --> Yoghami
01:19 Anonymousss • ok
01:19 sbanks • tell me when its done xd
01:20 Anonymousss • done
01:20 Anonymousss • took 2 million or something
--
01:20 Yoghami • Cash $ 170,480
01:20 Yoghami • In bank account $ 600,000
01:18 Yoghami • Cash $ 1,090,480
01:18 Yoghami • In bank account $ 600,000
we sent him 1,080,000 extra and told the "hacker" to remove his cash.
--
01:19 sbanks • Anonymousss --> Yoghami
01:19 Anonymousss • ok
01:19 sbanks • tell me when its done xd
01:20 Anonymousss • done
01:20 Anonymousss • took 2 million or something
--
01:20 Yoghami • Cash $ 170,480
01:20 Yoghami • In bank account $ 600,000
After this i decided to crank it up a bit, sorry for the people who got hit, i picked randomly names.
- Dreamland
- Watchurbackk
- Hakkiyeten
- Brando
- Marcel
- Bramblerose
- Watchurbackk
- Hakkiyeten
- Brando
- Marcel
- Bramblerose
User: Hakkiyeten / (Add to your friends list)
Rank: Godfather
Honour points: 9,949
Status Alive (Offline for 30m 19s)
SMS Status Send SMS
Don of: Pa
Wealth Very rich ($1.000.001 - $5.000.000)
-- *magic trick* --
User: Hakkiyeten / (Add to your friends list)
Rank: Godfather
Honour points: 9,949
Status Alive
SMS Status Send SMS
Don of: Pa
Wealth Nouveau Riche ($100.001 - $500.000)
Rank: Godfather
Honour points: 9,949
Status Alive (Offline for 30m 19s)
SMS Status Send SMS
Don of: Pa
Wealth Very rich ($1.000.001 - $5.000.000)
-- *magic trick* --
User: Hakkiyeten / (Add to your friends list)
Rank: Godfather
Honour points: 9,949
Status Alive
SMS Status Send SMS
Don of: Pa
Wealth Nouveau Riche ($100.001 - $500.000)
All users were offline, so they could not have banked the cash!
During this, our reporterbot gave this information about the economy:
(02:22:05) <%NoobSurv> [Economy] Money total: -$8,870,695 to $48,701,233,020
(02:29:05) <%NoobSurv> [Economy] Money total: -$7,940,561 to $48,693,292,459
(02:36:05) <%NoobSurv> [Economy] Money total: -$31,478,968 to $48,661,813,491
(02:41:05) <%NoobSurv> [Economy] Money total: -$45,790,004 to $48,616,023,487
(02:52:05) <%NoobSurv> [Economy] Money total: -$11,748,751 to $48,607,962,266
(02:29:05) <%NoobSurv> [Economy] Money total: -$7,940,561 to $48,693,292,459
(02:36:05) <%NoobSurv> [Economy] Money total: -$31,478,968 to $48,661,813,491
(02:41:05) <%NoobSurv> [Economy] Money total: -$45,790,004 to $48,616,023,487
(02:52:05) <%NoobSurv> [Economy] Money total: -$11,748,751 to $48,607,962,266
Bramblerose before:
Bramblerose after:
Update:
After revealing this hack on our site, admins have closed down #reina, in which the hacker was talking with people, and Sbanks has been g-lined.
Update:
#reina has been opened again by the admins, but the hacker has been banned there. He is now visiting #camorra, #krays and #omerta.
Update:
Brando joined #help (with the nick Brandupe, but the host matched) and has given there a statement.
[Brandupe] ok
[Brandupe] So there is clearly some clever dick operating
[Brandupe] With a simple exploit.
[Brandupe] Once we find it we will close it
[Brandupe] We cannot refund anyone's money
[Brandupe] that is shit
[Brandupe] Sorry for that but we cannot track that so not prove that so no refunds
[Brandupe] But
[Brandupe] We will consider our options tomorrow morning when most of crew are back online
[Brandupe] right now it is just me and a couple more crew members
[Brandupe] and devs are sleeping
[Brandupe] I suggest that anyone who has questions about this just leaves
Update:
With a sudden change of heart, Anonymousss has decided to report the exploit he used to Brando.
Update:
Added complete conversation log from Brando.
Update:
Omerta declares in a newspost that the backdoor has been fixed and tomorrow (6-7-11) Bramblerose will give more information!
statements
Session Start: Tue Jul 05 01:12:37 2011
Session Ident: Anonymousss
01:12 Session Ident: Anonymousss ([email protected])
01:12 •
01:12 • Query with Anonymousss/ opened on Tuesday, July 5th 2011, 01:12:37.
01:12 • Total queries: 163/~2.5 per day
01:12 • Queries today: 2
01:12 •
01:12
01:12 Anonymousss • hi important here?
01:12 •
01:12 Whois • Anonymousss [http://www.mibbit.com]
01:12 Address • [email protected]
01:12 Channels • #omerta
01:12 Server • irc.barafranca.com [Omerta]
01:12 Idle • 3secs
01:12 Sign-on • Tue Jul 05 01:12:14 2011 [26secs]
01:12 •
01:12 sbanks • what? xd
01:13 Anonymousss • do you have a account on omerta?
01:13 sbanks • uhm why?
01:13 Anonymousss • i want to proof you something
01:13 sbanks • cant u sent it to pastebin or make screenshots?
01:13 Anonymousss • that i remove money
01:13 sbanks • ow.. that would be nice to see ofc
01:13 Anonymousss • no it would show how its done
01:14 Anonymousss • get a account with 1 million cash
01:14 sbanks • but i dont own an account
01:14 Anonymousss • none?
01:14 Anonymousss • find a friend xD
01:14 sbanks • nope, but you want me to show you can remove that 1m of cash?
01:14 Anonymousss • yea
01:15 sbanks • well hang on.. maybe some1 wants to be a test dummy
01:15 Anonymousss • ok
01:16 sbanks • money needs to be in pocket? bank?
01:16 Anonymousss • pocket only cant touch bank
01:18 sbanks • think i got 1 Anonymousss
01:18 Anonymousss • k xD ingame?
01:18 sbanks • sec, asking
01:19 sbanks • Anonymousss --> Yoghami
01:19 Anonymousss • ok
01:19 sbanks • tell me when its done xd
01:20 Anonymousss • done
01:20 Anonymousss • took 2 million or something
01:20 sbanks • did u first add cash?
01:20 Anonymousss • no
01:20 Anonymousss • User: Dreamland / / / (Add to your friends list) / Action / History
01:21 Anonymousss • look at this guy
01:21 Anonymousss • too rich to be true now
01:21 sbanks • oki
01:21 sbanks • seen it
01:21 sbanks • go :p
01:21 Anonymousss • look now
01:21 Anonymousss • xD
01:22 sbanks • how did you found out ? and are you leaving some families alone? like the fam you are in
01:22 sbanks • and or bloods?
01:22 Anonymousss • no i target all fams but mostly turkish..dont tell that..they will think i am a racist xD
01:23 Anonymousss • seeing how Mafia got angry makes it funny
01:23 sbanks • haha ye
01:23 sbanks • so funny his fampage
01:23 Anonymousss • but i have nothing to do with the downtime now xD
01:23 sbanks • are you doing this by sql injection? or DB access?
01:24 sbanks • i think sql huh, since ur doing 1m / 2m stuff at 1 time or so
01:24 Anonymousss • no that is the weird part, i never got access to the DB
01:24 Anonymousss • so everyone cann be easy now xD
01:24 sbanks • and its only you? or is it a group of people who does it?
01:24 Anonymousss • i didnt steal emails and such
01:24 Anonymousss • only me as far as i know
01:24 sbanks • can you also add money?
01:25 sbanks • remove hp's ?
01:25 sbanks • bullets?
01:25 Anonymousss • no only cash money
01:25 sbanks • and how did you found out?
01:25 Anonymousss • so they should all put money on their banks xD
01:25 Anonymousss • few months ago but couldnt find the motivation to do it this big
01:26 sbanks • well pretty cool xd
01:27 sbanks • are you playing this game still?
01:27 sbanks • or just fuckign around
01:27 Anonymousss • i have a bruglione lackey in some fam xD but its more about toying with the turks
01:28 sbanks • and why the turks?
01:28 Anonymousss • although i did target non-turkish fams too so im no racist :)
01:28 sbanks • haha ok
01:28 sbanks • can i post this log @ our news site?
01:29 Anonymousss • yes sure
01:29 sbanks • u using sql injection?
01:30 Anonymousss • no i dont know anything about sql , also nothing to do with the database
01:30 Anonymousss • or back-doors that admins supposedly fixed in casinos yesterday xD
01:30 sbanks • lol
01:30 sbanks • so... how do you do it!
01:30 Anonymousss • :)
01:31 sbanks • can you remove
01:31 sbanks • Watchurbackk
01:31 sbanks • his money
01:31 Anonymousss • k
01:32 sbanks • done?
01:32 Anonymousss • yes
01:32 sbanks • and now
01:32 sbanks • Hakkiyeten
01:33 Anonymousss • done
01:33 Anonymousss • xD
01:33 sbanks • haha
01:33 sbanks • so funny
01:34 sbanks • Anonymousss
01:34 sbanks • remove brando his cash xddd
01:34 sbanks • can u do that
01:35 Anonymousss • look now xD
01:35 Anonymousss • i had never done an admin before
01:36 sbanks • :D:D:D:
01:36 sbanks • funny
01:36 sbanks • and Marcel ?
01:36 Anonymousss • give me a minute slow proxy xD
01:38 sbanks • tell me when done xd
01:38 sbanks • and then teckna & bramblerose :p
01:38 Anonymousss • it is done
01:38 sbanks • all 3?
01:38 Anonymousss • haha sorry dont want to mess with admins too much
01:39 sbanks • only bramblerose then
01:39 Anonymousss • Marcel is done
01:39 sbanks • :p
01:39 Anonymousss • too risky i am afraid
01:39 sbanks • then u use another proxy after xd
01:39 Anonymousss • pick someone who it will really hurt xD
01:39 sbanks • brando online
01:39 sbanks • so
01:39 sbanks • stop :p
01:39 Anonymousss • that is a good idea xD
01:40 sbanks • we wanted to make a screenshot
01:40 sbanks • from bramblerose
01:40 sbanks • though
01:40 sbanks • for our news item
01:40 sbanks • we had just made a picture where she had cash in her pocket
01:40 Anonymousss • you did not ask the admins to put a logger on her? xD
01:40 sbanks • last request from me :p
01:40 sbanks • nope
01:40 sbanks • i dislike admins
01:41 Anonymousss • ok here we go
01:41 Anonymousss • look now
01:42 sbanks • omg u know what would be funny, but 2 morrow or so.. target every BF owner
01:42 sbanks • they will lose their BF's :')
01:42 Anonymousss • some owners are in fams that i dont want to target xD
01:43 sbanks • awww
01:43 sbanks • oki :]]
01:44 Anonymousss • haha i love targetting the people who are online
01:44 sbanks • :D::D
01:44 Anonymousss • doing moc/oc
01:44 sbanks • hahaha ye
01:44 sbanks • i heard a story of a guy
01:44 sbanks • he said
01:44 sbanks • the MOC profit
01:44 sbanks • got removed
01:44 sbanks • from leader
01:44 sbanks • _o_
01:45 Anonymousss • haah the poor guy
01:45 sbanks • :D:D:
01:46 sbanks • oki Anonymousss
01:46 sbanks • im gonna write the article
04:29 sbanks` • this thing have been going on for a few days, were there really problems with the objects? or it was a wild guess and you closed it hoping it was a bug there?
04:30 Brandupe • Well until we close the exploit I cannot say where it was
04:30 Brandupe • but it was in at least 2 locations
04:30 Brandupe • neither of which was spots
04:30 Brandupe • Both will be closed before 10 am in the morning OT
04:30 Brandupe • (as soon as a dev appears from its lair)
04:31 sbanks` • so there was a bug @ objects? as it was closed, and something got "fixed" and reopend again
04:31 Brandupe • No
04:32 Brandupe • it wasn't in an object either
04:32 Brandupe • last night's attack was elsewhere
04:32 Brandupe • Problem is here that rumour spreads like wildfire on IRC
04:32 Brandupe • of course everyone's backfire was not set to zero on DM
04:32 Brandupe • but
04:32 Brandupe • many believed it was
04:33 sbanks` • ye, have seen a few of those fake rumours every version kinda
04:34 sbanks` • so will the game be closed down tomorrow morning?
04:34 sbanks` • and is a rollback an option?
04:37 Brandupe • Of course that is an option
04:38 Brandupe • I would not like to pre-empt my colleagues and the players though
04:38 Brandupe • Rbs are radical and many may not wish to.
04:38 Brandupe • We'll likely discuss it in about 4 hours.
04:38 sbanks` • ofcourse, but i think it would be the most fair, billions of money got lost on .com
04:39 sbanks` • ofcourse there will be people crying they lost bullets and rp, some people might be alive again, but i think the majority got hit due this exploit
04:40 sbanks` • always two sides of the medal
04:40 Brandupe • Yeah.
04:41 sbanks` • You cant track the money right? so refunds are impossible?
04:42 Brandupe • That's correct.
04:42 Brandupe • Zer once said that if we were to track all accounts every action like that
04:42 Brandupe • we would need a DB about the size of Earth's moon with a CPU the size of Chicago
04:43 Brandupe • Even with lackeys we cannot afford that
04:43 Brandupe • not even Kredu and Swifty could afford that.
04:43 sbanks` • :D
04:44 sbanks` • oki, 2 more things
04:44 sbanks` • did this "anonymouss" guy, already told how he used the exploit? i heard he was willing to tell it
04:46 Brandupe • Yes he told us all about it and apologised too.
04:46 Brandupe • He said he did not really think of the ramifications of his actions
04:46 Brandupe • He seemed fairly overwhelemed really
04:46 Brandupe • But he pointed us to both his known exploits
04:46 Brandupe • and I can confirm that both are due to weak coding on Omerta's part
04:47 Brandupe • Actually both done by people who no longer work with us
04:47 sbanks` • ah ok
04:47 Brandupe • one triallist who was sent home for good yesterday because he a. thought he was God almighty and b. Bugged the shit out of everyone in the office
04:48 sbanks` • haha, ye those you shouldn't keep
04:48 Brandupe • and Weirdgoku who got sacked last week. He was not very good at his job and had some other issues so we called time on him.
04:48 Brandupe • This means that we have one more vacant situation for a trainee dev.
04:48 Brandupe • No we are sick of high-maintenance low-input people.
04:49 Brandupe • No more of that.
05:04 Brandupe • And of course we are very sorry to the players who lost out. It is a shame that people use exploits, and difficult to exclude these when you have new developers on the team.
05:04 Brandupe • We will close them later today and consider a rollback as well.
05:04 sbanks` • alright, i make sure i add that
Session Ident: Anonymousss
01:12 Session Ident: Anonymousss ([email protected])
01:12 •
01:12 • Query with Anonymousss/ opened on Tuesday, July 5th 2011, 01:12:37.
01:12 • Total queries: 163/~2.5 per day
01:12 • Queries today: 2
01:12 •
01:12
01:12 Anonymousss • hi important here?
01:12 •
01:12 Whois • Anonymousss [http://www.mibbit.com]
01:12 Address • [email protected]
01:12 Channels • #omerta
01:12 Server • irc.barafranca.com [Omerta]
01:12 Idle • 3secs
01:12 Sign-on • Tue Jul 05 01:12:14 2011 [26secs]
01:12 •
01:12 sbanks • what? xd
01:13 Anonymousss • do you have a account on omerta?
01:13 sbanks • uhm why?
01:13 Anonymousss • i want to proof you something
01:13 sbanks • cant u sent it to pastebin or make screenshots?
01:13 Anonymousss • that i remove money
01:13 sbanks • ow.. that would be nice to see ofc
01:13 Anonymousss • no it would show how its done
01:14 Anonymousss • get a account with 1 million cash
01:14 sbanks • but i dont own an account
01:14 Anonymousss • none?
01:14 Anonymousss • find a friend xD
01:14 sbanks • nope, but you want me to show you can remove that 1m of cash?
01:14 Anonymousss • yea
01:15 sbanks • well hang on.. maybe some1 wants to be a test dummy
01:15 Anonymousss • ok
01:16 sbanks • money needs to be in pocket? bank?
01:16 Anonymousss • pocket only cant touch bank
01:18 sbanks • think i got 1 Anonymousss
01:18 Anonymousss • k xD ingame?
01:18 sbanks • sec, asking
01:19 sbanks • Anonymousss --> Yoghami
01:19 Anonymousss • ok
01:19 sbanks • tell me when its done xd
01:20 Anonymousss • done
01:20 Anonymousss • took 2 million or something
01:20 sbanks • did u first add cash?
01:20 Anonymousss • no
01:20 Anonymousss • User: Dreamland / / / (Add to your friends list) / Action / History
01:21 Anonymousss • look at this guy
01:21 Anonymousss • too rich to be true now
01:21 sbanks • oki
01:21 sbanks • seen it
01:21 sbanks • go :p
01:21 Anonymousss • look now
01:21 Anonymousss • xD
01:22 sbanks • how did you found out ? and are you leaving some families alone? like the fam you are in
01:22 sbanks • and or bloods?
01:22 Anonymousss • no i target all fams but mostly turkish..dont tell that..they will think i am a racist xD
01:23 Anonymousss • seeing how Mafia got angry makes it funny
01:23 sbanks • haha ye
01:23 sbanks • so funny his fampage
01:23 Anonymousss • but i have nothing to do with the downtime now xD
01:23 sbanks • are you doing this by sql injection? or DB access?
01:24 sbanks • i think sql huh, since ur doing 1m / 2m stuff at 1 time or so
01:24 Anonymousss • no that is the weird part, i never got access to the DB
01:24 Anonymousss • so everyone cann be easy now xD
01:24 sbanks • and its only you? or is it a group of people who does it?
01:24 Anonymousss • i didnt steal emails and such
01:24 Anonymousss • only me as far as i know
01:24 sbanks • can you also add money?
01:25 sbanks • remove hp's ?
01:25 sbanks • bullets?
01:25 Anonymousss • no only cash money
01:25 sbanks • and how did you found out?
01:25 Anonymousss • so they should all put money on their banks xD
01:25 Anonymousss • few months ago but couldnt find the motivation to do it this big
01:26 sbanks • well pretty cool xd
01:27 sbanks • are you playing this game still?
01:27 sbanks • or just fuckign around
01:27 Anonymousss • i have a bruglione lackey in some fam xD but its more about toying with the turks
01:28 sbanks • and why the turks?
01:28 Anonymousss • although i did target non-turkish fams too so im no racist :)
01:28 sbanks • haha ok
01:28 sbanks • can i post this log @ our news site?
01:29 Anonymousss • yes sure
01:29 sbanks • u using sql injection?
01:30 Anonymousss • no i dont know anything about sql , also nothing to do with the database
01:30 Anonymousss • or back-doors that admins supposedly fixed in casinos yesterday xD
01:30 sbanks • lol
01:30 sbanks • so... how do you do it!
01:30 Anonymousss • :)
01:31 sbanks • can you remove
01:31 sbanks • Watchurbackk
01:31 sbanks • his money
01:31 Anonymousss • k
01:32 sbanks • done?
01:32 Anonymousss • yes
01:32 sbanks • and now
01:32 sbanks • Hakkiyeten
01:33 Anonymousss • done
01:33 Anonymousss • xD
01:33 sbanks • haha
01:33 sbanks • so funny
01:34 sbanks • Anonymousss
01:34 sbanks • remove brando his cash xddd
01:34 sbanks • can u do that
01:35 Anonymousss • look now xD
01:35 Anonymousss • i had never done an admin before
01:36 sbanks • :D:D:D:
01:36 sbanks • funny
01:36 sbanks • and Marcel ?
01:36 Anonymousss • give me a minute slow proxy xD
01:38 sbanks • tell me when done xd
01:38 sbanks • and then teckna & bramblerose :p
01:38 Anonymousss • it is done
01:38 sbanks • all 3?
01:38 Anonymousss • haha sorry dont want to mess with admins too much
01:39 sbanks • only bramblerose then
01:39 Anonymousss • Marcel is done
01:39 sbanks • :p
01:39 Anonymousss • too risky i am afraid
01:39 sbanks • then u use another proxy after xd
01:39 Anonymousss • pick someone who it will really hurt xD
01:39 sbanks • brando online
01:39 sbanks • so
01:39 sbanks • stop :p
01:39 Anonymousss • that is a good idea xD
01:40 sbanks • we wanted to make a screenshot
01:40 sbanks • from bramblerose
01:40 sbanks • though
01:40 sbanks • for our news item
01:40 sbanks • we had just made a picture where she had cash in her pocket
01:40 Anonymousss • you did not ask the admins to put a logger on her? xD
01:40 sbanks • last request from me :p
01:40 sbanks • nope
01:40 sbanks • i dislike admins
01:41 Anonymousss • ok here we go
01:41 Anonymousss • look now
01:42 sbanks • omg u know what would be funny, but 2 morrow or so.. target every BF owner
01:42 sbanks • they will lose their BF's :')
01:42 Anonymousss • some owners are in fams that i dont want to target xD
01:43 sbanks • awww
01:43 sbanks • oki :]]
01:44 Anonymousss • haha i love targetting the people who are online
01:44 sbanks • :D::D
01:44 Anonymousss • doing moc/oc
01:44 sbanks • hahaha ye
01:44 sbanks • i heard a story of a guy
01:44 sbanks • he said
01:44 sbanks • the MOC profit
01:44 sbanks • got removed
01:44 sbanks • from leader
01:44 sbanks • _o_
01:45 Anonymousss • haah the poor guy
01:45 sbanks • :D:D:
01:46 sbanks • oki Anonymousss
01:46 sbanks • im gonna write the article
04:29 sbanks` • this thing have been going on for a few days, were there really problems with the objects? or it was a wild guess and you closed it hoping it was a bug there?
04:30 Brandupe • Well until we close the exploit I cannot say where it was
04:30 Brandupe • but it was in at least 2 locations
04:30 Brandupe • neither of which was spots
04:30 Brandupe • Both will be closed before 10 am in the morning OT
04:30 Brandupe • (as soon as a dev appears from its lair)
04:31 sbanks` • so there was a bug @ objects? as it was closed, and something got "fixed" and reopend again
04:31 Brandupe • No
04:32 Brandupe • it wasn't in an object either
04:32 Brandupe • last night's attack was elsewhere
04:32 Brandupe • Problem is here that rumour spreads like wildfire on IRC
04:32 Brandupe • of course everyone's backfire was not set to zero on DM
04:32 Brandupe • but
04:32 Brandupe • many believed it was
04:33 sbanks` • ye, have seen a few of those fake rumours every version kinda
04:34 sbanks` • so will the game be closed down tomorrow morning?
04:34 sbanks` • and is a rollback an option?
04:37 Brandupe • Of course that is an option
04:38 Brandupe • I would not like to pre-empt my colleagues and the players though
04:38 Brandupe • Rbs are radical and many may not wish to.
04:38 Brandupe • We'll likely discuss it in about 4 hours.
04:38 sbanks` • ofcourse, but i think it would be the most fair, billions of money got lost on .com
04:39 sbanks` • ofcourse there will be people crying they lost bullets and rp, some people might be alive again, but i think the majority got hit due this exploit
04:40 sbanks` • always two sides of the medal
04:40 Brandupe • Yeah.
04:41 sbanks` • You cant track the money right? so refunds are impossible?
04:42 Brandupe • That's correct.
04:42 Brandupe • Zer once said that if we were to track all accounts every action like that
04:42 Brandupe • we would need a DB about the size of Earth's moon with a CPU the size of Chicago
04:43 Brandupe • Even with lackeys we cannot afford that
04:43 Brandupe • not even Kredu and Swifty could afford that.
04:43 sbanks` • :D
04:44 sbanks` • oki, 2 more things
04:44 sbanks` • did this "anonymouss" guy, already told how he used the exploit? i heard he was willing to tell it
04:46 Brandupe • Yes he told us all about it and apologised too.
04:46 Brandupe • He said he did not really think of the ramifications of his actions
04:46 Brandupe • He seemed fairly overwhelemed really
04:46 Brandupe • But he pointed us to both his known exploits
04:46 Brandupe • and I can confirm that both are due to weak coding on Omerta's part
04:47 Brandupe • Actually both done by people who no longer work with us
04:47 sbanks` • ah ok
04:47 Brandupe • one triallist who was sent home for good yesterday because he a. thought he was God almighty and b. Bugged the shit out of everyone in the office
04:48 sbanks` • haha, ye those you shouldn't keep
04:48 Brandupe • and Weirdgoku who got sacked last week. He was not very good at his job and had some other issues so we called time on him.
04:48 Brandupe • This means that we have one more vacant situation for a trainee dev.
04:48 Brandupe • No we are sick of high-maintenance low-input people.
04:49 Brandupe • No more of that.
05:04 Brandupe • And of course we are very sorry to the players who lost out. It is a shame that people use exploits, and difficult to exclude these when you have new developers on the team.
05:04 Brandupe • We will close them later today and consider a rollback as well.
05:04 sbanks` • alright, i make sure i add that
friedel (19:07:19 - 05-07)
Update:
Omerta declares in a newspost that the backdoor has been fixed and tomorrow (6-7-11) Bramblerose will give more information!
Omerta declares in a newspost that the backdoor has been fixed and tomorrow (6-7-11) Bramblerose will give more information!
Anonymous at 17:50:25 on 05/07:
i saw rollbacks in a much bigger game, there are always 2 sides, the ppl who lost money and ppl who earned money. this is shity for the people who gained money in that period, but the bug is a fault of the game, and if u rollback there will be more happy people then angry people becouse there is lost a shitload of cash (i lost 60 mil). Rollback is a must for me.
i saw rollbacks in a much bigger game, there are always 2 sides, the ppl who lost money and ppl who earned money. this is shity for the people who gained money in that period, but the bug is a fault of the game, and if u rollback there will be more happy people then angry people becouse there is lost a shitload of cash (i lost 60 mil). Rollback is a must for me.
Rix it's only 50 mil, if you are in a small fam and one of your brugs scams people and you need to inkill him, that inkill will cost more than 50 mil. You lose 60k bullets and 2 bodyguards. You don't really believe when that happens 11 others in the fam will chip in and send 5 mil each to the hammer making the inkill do you? That's what you're suggesting. 50 mil lost is an inconvenience, but spread out over 10 members it sure as hell is no more than peanuts. It's different if you lose fam savings, if you have 3 object holders, each with 200 mil fam money and you lose that. That is a serious problem and funny as it is to laugh at MaFia aNd hIS speLiNG I do hope his fam gets some sort of compensation because every fam needs a warfunds. And if big fams get money, small fams should get some too. But please don't suggest a 4 day roll back is the only possibility because 10 people lose 5 mil each... :')
Anonymous (18:32:46 - 05-07)
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Deston at 17:43:40 on 05/07:
Yes, it is shitty for your fam I wholeheartedly agree. But it is also a very small amount lot for every person. You can regain this money in a day, or just sell 3k bullets. What Rix is saying how the economy is off balanced by this is preposterous in a situation like this.
Rix, what you're saying is that if 10 people lost 5 million each and that family gets involved in two weeks, that family will get killed because of this 50 million? Nonsense, 50 mil is peanuts. You can buy one 60k shot for that and fams don't stand or fall on 60k.
Friedel, for the casino owners. You do pay attention to money and your casino. When you lose your casino and all your cash has disappeared then something is the fuck up. You don't need to be on irc or read a news update to have a fucking brain and realise 'Hmm, maybe something is wrong... Lets go on irc and try to see if something is the matter'. Instead of simply reclaiming your object and putting 100 mil in the pocket again. At least in this case I must support MaFia cause he repeatedly went to #help and got screwed over badly. His family was put at a severe disadvantage, no denying that. But you must find a different solution for that. Rollback is not an option.
What if you won the lottery, what if you won the slots jackpot? What if you gambled and won 50 mil? And more importantly, what if you had a casino and lost 50 mil to honest gamblers instead of this bug? You go to help and whine that you lost all your money, even though the bug had nothing to do with it. That's what happens. Rollbacks are a redundant idea, after 4 days too much money has been won or earned by people to pull bullshit like that.
friedel at 17:13:28 on 05/07:
in my fam more then 10 people lost a small amount of money,
however all combined this is also 50m + we are a small fam and this is shitty for us, while some fams arent touched.
for the casino owners, how could they know? maybe they werent on irc 24/7,
and there was nowhere a statement or newspost by admins
Deston at 16:36:08 on 05/07:
Do you really REALLY believe this comes out of 500 accounts? Don't be ridiculous. It's the tards stupid enough to lose 135 mil and then put 120 mil more in their pockets. equate to the losses you get from a rollback.
friedel at 16:30:39 on 05/07:
in my fam alone there were over 10 accounts,
really theres 2billion gone , you think this comes out of 10 accounts?
in my fam alone there were over 10 accounts,
really theres 2billion gone , you think this comes out of 10 accounts?
in my fam more then 10 people lost a small amount of money,
however all combined this is also 50m + we are a small fam and this is shitty for us, while some fams arent touched.
for the casino owners, how could they know? maybe they werent on irc 24/7,
and there was nowhere a statement or newspost by admins
Rix, what you're saying is that if 10 people lost 5 million each and that family gets involved in two weeks, that family will get killed because of this 50 million? Nonsense, 50 mil is peanuts. You can buy one 60k shot for that and fams don't stand or fall on 60k.
Friedel, for the casino owners. You do pay attention to money and your casino. When you lose your casino and all your cash has disappeared then something is the fuck up. You don't need to be on irc or read a news update to have a fucking brain and realise 'Hmm, maybe something is wrong... Lets go on irc and try to see if something is the matter'. Instead of simply reclaiming your object and putting 100 mil in the pocket again. At least in this case I must support MaFia cause he repeatedly went to #help and got screwed over badly. His family was put at a severe disadvantage, no denying that. But you must find a different solution for that. Rollback is not an option.
What if you won the lottery, what if you won the slots jackpot? What if you gambled and won 50 mil? And more importantly, what if you had a casino and lost 50 mil to honest gamblers instead of this bug? You go to help and whine that you lost all your money, even though the bug had nothing to do with it. That's what happens. Rollbacks are a redundant idea, after 4 days too much money has been won or earned by people to pull bullshit like that.
And yes, I agree that after four days a rollback will sting. And every day that is added it will sting more. That's why I already said last Sunday that they had to close the game, and after almost two days they still haven't done that. And that's why the admins need to find a solution as soon as possible. They said we would get an answer this afternoon but I guess they have, once again, no clue.
Anyhow, what do you suggest as a solution then?
Anonymous (17:50:25 - 05-07)
i saw rollbacks in a much bigger game, there are always 2 sides, the ppl who lost money and ppl who earned money. this is shity for the people who gained money in that period, but the bug is a fault of the game, and if u rollback there will be more happy people then angry people becouse there is lost a shitload of cash (i lost 60 mil). Rollback is a must for me.
friedel at 17:13:28 on 05/07:
in my fam more then 10 people lost a small amount of money,
however all combined this is also 50m + we are a small fam and this is shitty for us, while some fams arent touched.
for the casino owners, how could they know? maybe they werent on irc 24/7,
and there was nowhere a statement or newspost by admins
Deston at 16:36:08 on 05/07:
Do you really REALLY believe this comes out of 500 accounts? Don't be ridiculous. It's the tards stupid enough to lose 135 mil and then put 120 mil more in their pockets. equate to the losses you get from a rollback.
friedel at 16:30:39 on 05/07:
in my fam alone there were over 10 accounts,
really theres 2billion gone , you think this comes out of 10 accounts?
in my fam alone there were over 10 accounts,
really theres 2billion gone , you think this comes out of 10 accounts?
in my fam more then 10 people lost a small amount of money,
however all combined this is also 50m + we are a small fam and this is shitty for us, while some fams arent touched.
for the casino owners, how could they know? maybe they werent on irc 24/7,
and there was nowhere a statement or newspost by admins
Rix, what you're saying is that if 10 people lost 5 million each and that family gets involved in two weeks, that family will get killed because of this 50 million? Nonsense, 50 mil is peanuts. You can buy one 60k shot for that and fams don't stand or fall on 60k.
Friedel, for the casino owners. You do pay attention to money and your casino. When you lose your casino and all your cash has disappeared then something is the fuck up. You don't need to be on irc or read a news update to have a fucking brain and realise 'Hmm, maybe something is wrong... Lets go on irc and try to see if something is the matter'. Instead of simply reclaiming your object and putting 100 mil in the pocket again. At least in this case I must support MaFia cause he repeatedly went to #help and got screwed over badly. His family was put at a severe disadvantage, no denying that. But you must find a different solution for that. Rollback is not an option.
What if you won the lottery, what if you won the slots jackpot? What if you gambled and won 50 mil? And more importantly, what if you had a casino and lost 50 mil to honest gamblers instead of this bug? You go to help and whine that you lost all your money, even though the bug had nothing to do with it. That's what happens. Rollbacks are a redundant idea, after 4 days too much money has been won or earned by people to pull bullshit like that.
Anonymous (17:17:46 - 05-07)
Why arent admins updating us AT ALL? No newspost, no rollback decision..absolutely nothing.
Anonymous (17:16:15 - 05-07)
Rix at 17:09:14 on 05/07:
They cannot, in any way. There are no logs at all, and, in contrary to what most think here, profit logs from objects cannot be used either for the object owners who lost (also, Trace only saves last two days, so it would be already too late for that. We have them, but still there is now way to use them for such things.).
Therefore a rollback is, as far as I know, the only way to bring balance back to the game. Combined with a voucher like Moesasji said to compensate a bit for the last rank time is the best solution.
Revolucion at 16:51:56 on 05/07:
I don't know if its possible to check the accounts, but if so let everybody that lost money claim it back at the admins. Admins check every account one by one. Any person that made a false claim gets an akill.
I don't know if its possible to check the accounts, but if so let everybody that lost money claim it back at the admins. Admins check every account one by one. Any person that made a false claim gets an akill.
Therefore a rollback is, as far as I know, the only way to bring balance back to the game. Combined with a voucher like Moesasji said to compensate a bit for the last rank time is the best solution.
Anonymous (17:14:55 - 05-07)
I don't like the ideea of rollback... I just ranked back to chief and now to go back to assasin ? Hmm.. Not to mention the fact that i won 40 mil on gambling few days ago... Whos gonna give me that back ?
friedel (17:13:28 - 05-07)
Deston at 16:36:08 on 05/07:
Do you really REALLY believe this comes out of 500 accounts? Don't be ridiculous. It's the tards stupid enough to lose 135 mil and then put 120 mil more in their pockets. equate to the losses you get from a rollback.
friedel at 16:30:39 on 05/07:
in my fam alone there were over 10 accounts,
really theres 2billion gone , you think this comes out of 10 accounts?
in my fam alone there were over 10 accounts,
really theres 2billion gone , you think this comes out of 10 accounts?
in my fam more then 10 people lost a small amount of money,
however all combined this is also 50m + we are a small fam and this is shitty for us, while some fams arent touched.
for the casino owners, how could they know? maybe they werent on irc 24/7,
and there was nowhere a statement or newspost by admins
Anonymous (17:10:57 - 05-07)
One thing is sure... This guy showed us why devs never could catch scripters... because they are so incompetent...
Revolucion at 16:51:56 on 05/07:
I don't know if its possible to check the accounts, but if so let everybody that lost money claim it back at the admins. Admins check every account one by one. Any person that made a false claim gets an akill.
I don't know if its possible to check the accounts, but if so let everybody that lost money claim it back at the admins. Admins check every account one by one. Any person that made a false claim gets an akill.
Therefore a rollback is, as far as I know, the only way to bring balance back to the game. Combined with a voucher like Moesasji said to compensate a bit for the last rank time is the best solution.
Boleone at 16:33:52 on 05/07:
Nobody will give you back your RP, but at least the global situation will be fair enough. And please read the previous posts before posting smth like this Ishma... Giving back money=not possible. So rollback is the most fair solution to balance the game again.
Nobody will give you back your RP, but at least the global situation will be fair enough. And please read the previous posts before posting smth like this Ishma... Giving back money=not possible. So rollback is the most fair solution to balance the game again.
I read it before i post, i said it would be for the best that admins refund the accounts who lost a lot, than a rollback.
And as Deston stated it would be more the people in prejudice with a rollback than the ones wanting it.
And this would be the 1st time a rollback would happen without being because of serious DB damage, in those cases everyone lost something, now was only a little part of the players.
So the guy that won the slots jackpot yesterday (110 mil +) will also lose his money if there is a rollback.... that doesn't sound fair at all right...
All the people that got ''lucky'' last weeks making nice money no mater how, buying bullets, dc's for lackeys and rp will lose all...
rollback is for sure not a solution.
I don't know if its possible to check the accounts, but if so let everybody that lost money claim it back at the admins. Admins check every account one by one. Any person that made a false claim gets an akill.
And give all 1 dc for free, 5K credits / worth 5 mil. AL that lost more go to the admins with the warning that every unfair claim will receive an akill :D
All the people that got ''lucky'' last weeks making nice money no mater how, buying bullets, dc's for lackeys and rp will lose all...
rollback is for sure not a solution.
I don't know if its possible to check the accounts, but if so let everybody that lost money claim it back at the admins. Admins check every account one by one. Any person that made a false claim gets an akill.
And give all 1 dc for free, 5K credits / worth 5 mil. AL that lost more go to the admins with the warning that every unfair claim will receive an akill :D
Anonymous (16:38:52 - 05-07)
Boleone at 16:33:52 on 05/07:
. So rollback is the most fair solution to balance the game again.
ishma at 16:21:55 on 05/07:
so enlighten me, how many accounts lost money?
was it more than the ones who didn't lost?
And who will refund me the money i made, and the bullets i bought and the Rank progress i made?
and as me many more are in this situation :)
Anonymous at 16:14:09 on 05/07:
havent you heard?refunds not possible therefore rollback only chance and its not just 10account lol clearly u dont know that this shit is large scale.
ishma at 16:10:24 on 05/07:
why should they rollback in favour of 10 accounts and in prejudice of hundreds???
It isn't better to give those few accounts the lost money??
Anonymous at 15:58:35 on 05/07:
let me tell you, the only solution is a rollback. there is no way the admins wil give money back. its to hard to track al this lost money down. like it or not. rollback is the only solution.
i dont care, rip omerta
let me tell you, the only solution is a rollback. there is no way the admins wil give money back. its to hard to track al this lost money down. like it or not. rollback is the only solution.
i dont care, rip omerta
why should they rollback in favour of 10 accounts and in prejudice of hundreds???
It isn't better to give those few accounts the lost money??
so enlighten me, how many accounts lost money?
was it more than the ones who didn't lost?
And who will refund me the money i made, and the bullets i bought and the Rank progress i made?
and as me many more are in this situation :)
. So rollback is the most fair solution to balance the game again.
Deston at 16:32:15 on 05/07:
Thousands*
To those whiners about rollback being the only option. Don't be conceited.
4% of the money disappeared. If you want to make a favorable estimate then for every 10 people that lost money, there will be 240 that lose from a rollback. But let's be a little more honest here. There were at most 20 accounts with 200 million or more. If I had that kind of money I would not keep all of it in my pocket regardless, but still. Clearly some people did. Just because 4% of money disappeared does not mean 4% of users lost money. In fact most of that 4% belongs to a very small group of people. 1% of players in control of 4% of money? Maybe .1% (1/1000)... Let's go in the middle of that, if 1 out of 200 people lost money, then if you rollback for 10 people you hurt 1990 others. If you rollback for 50 people (and I seriously doubt more than a few dozen actually lost a substantial amount of money), you will hurt ten thousand others.
Thousands*
To those whiners about rollback being the only option. Don't be conceited.
4% of the money disappeared. If you want to make a favorable estimate then for every 10 people that lost money, there will be 240 that lose from a rollback. But let's be a little more honest here. There were at most 20 accounts with 200 million or more. If I had that kind of money I would not keep all of it in my pocket regardless, but still. Clearly some people did. Just because 4% of money disappeared does not mean 4% of users lost money. In fact most of that 4% belongs to a very small group of people. 1% of players in control of 4% of money? Maybe .1% (1/1000)... Let's go in the middle of that, if 1 out of 200 people lost money, then if you rollback for 10 people you hurt 1990 others. If you rollback for 50 people (and I seriously doubt more than a few dozen actually lost a substantial amount of money), you will hurt ten thousand others.
LOL what if you are a roulette owner? Few Don owners died with ~200M in their pocket...
friedel at 16:30:39 on 05/07:
in my fam alone there were over 10 accounts,
really theres 2billion gone , you think this comes out of 10 accounts?
in my fam alone there were over 10 accounts,
really theres 2billion gone , you think this comes out of 10 accounts?
this article messes up my scroller :(