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01:05:24 - 27-02
General Comments & Major Rumors
00:52:17 - 27-02
Redspeert at 00:26:53 on 27/02:
Another thing that grinds my gears is that nazism is kill on sight, whilst communism who got more blood on their hands than all sorts of facism and nazism together are still allowed.
Is Brando a closet Stalin?
Another thing that grinds my gears is that nazism is kill on sight, whilst communism who got more blood on their hands than all sorts of facism and nazism together are still allowed.
Is Brando a closet Stalin?
Well we definitely focus a lot on nazism. It's because it has come to be a symbol of evil, also in popculture like movies and such. The Soviet Union isn't portrayed as purely bad in Europe imo, but try in USA, even socialism is almost a dirty word there. I think it's lame to still connect present Germany and Germans with nazism as people often do. They aren't anymore guilty than any other present people. Also, Israel uses the holocaust for their own gain. Critisise Israel in any way and you're an anti-semite and hates jews. It's ridiculous. Actually Israel today is almost treating the Palestineans like Jews were treated by Hitler, they live trapped in ghettos pretty much.
There's a lot wrong with the world.
General Comments & Major Rumors
00:06:16 - 27-02
Anonymous at 23:55:08 on 26/02:
Just because their name's sake died, doesn't mean Gambino family is not an actual still existing Mafia family. Even when Gotti was the Don, the organization was still known as Gambino family.
Your point does not get more valid. *shrug*
Novu at 23:19:28 on 26/02:
Yes I do have a somewhat romantic view of the Italian mafia. But you can ask the Italian mafia how shocked they were of the brutality of the Albanian mafia, and then know that the Mexican cartels are magnitudes above that. The Italian mafia DID have a certain code of honour. Even among criminals there are big differences in how they operate. I know I'm talking to deaf ears, but I just think there's a big difference between some criminal organisations. Just try watching a documentary about any Mexican cartel and you should be able to see what I mean.
I don't exactly have an obsession with Hitler, but I think there's a reason in most WWII games you can't play as the SS. But fine, let me make another comparison. The Wehrmacht or regular German army were as an instrument of the Nazi regime evil. The SS though were evil on a whole other level. I see normal criminal organisations as evil, but Mexican cartels as evil on a whole other level.
And I think there's also a big difference of playing with a name of a former mafia, or extinct mafia and then a current one who has part in a war that costs thousands of lives every year, and with an unseen brutality.
Anonymous at 22:59:41 on 26/02:
Yes, human trafficking, drug deals, or dumping highly toxic waste near some populated towns, just harming people who get into their way.
You clearly have a very romantic idea of the italian mafia.
If you want to follow your Hitler obsession, look for a WWII based RPG.
Novu at 22:17:50 on 26/02:
Fully aware of this. But while this is just a theoretic game you're also not allowed to have a Hitler-themed family. While it's not illegal to have a Sinaloa-themed family, I just think Sinaloa is much too grim to name yourself after. Other mafias and criminal gangs usually try to keep a low profile and generally only hurt those who get in the way of business. The Italian mafia has a certain code of honour. Sinaloa is a different breed. Sinaloa and other Mexican cartels are pretty much waging a civil war with lots of collateral damage, so I think there's a significant difference.
I didn't think my point of view would be popular, but I stand by it, so no, I'm not going to rethink.
Anonymous at 22:03:23 on 26/02:
You are aware this is theoretically a Mafia themed RPG?
You are aware that Carlo Gambino and fis successors like Castellano were not particularly charitable figures, too?
Disregard of human life is the very essence of organised crime.
You might want to rethink before opening your mouth.
Novu at 20:29:56 on 26/02:
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
You are aware this is theoretically a Mafia themed RPG?
You are aware that Carlo Gambino and fis successors like Castellano were not particularly charitable figures, too?
Disregard of human life is the very essence of organised crime.
You might want to rethink before opening your mouth.
Fully aware of this. But while this is just a theoretic game you're also not allowed to have a Hitler-themed family. While it's not illegal to have a Sinaloa-themed family, I just think Sinaloa is much too grim to name yourself after. Other mafias and criminal gangs usually try to keep a low profile and generally only hurt those who get in the way of business. The Italian mafia has a certain code of honour. Sinaloa is a different breed. Sinaloa and other Mexican cartels are pretty much waging a civil war with lots of collateral damage, so I think there's a significant difference.
I didn't think my point of view would be popular, but I stand by it, so no, I'm not going to rethink.
Yes, human trafficking, drug deals, or dumping highly toxic waste near some populated towns, just harming people who get into their way.
You clearly have a very romantic idea of the italian mafia.
If you want to follow your Hitler obsession, look for a WWII based RPG.
Yes I do have a somewhat romantic view of the Italian mafia. But you can ask the Italian mafia how shocked they were of the brutality of the Albanian mafia, and then know that the Mexican cartels are magnitudes above that. The Italian mafia DID have a certain code of honour. Even among criminals there are big differences in how they operate. I know I'm talking to deaf ears, but I just think there's a big difference between some criminal organisations. Just try watching a documentary about any Mexican cartel and you should be able to see what I mean.
I don't exactly have an obsession with Hitler, but I think there's a reason in most WWII games you can't play as the SS. But fine, let me make another comparison. The Wehrmacht or regular German army were as an instrument of the Nazi regime evil. The SS though were evil on a whole other level. I see normal criminal organisations as evil, but Mexican cartels as evil on a whole other level.
And I think there's also a big difference of playing with a name of a former mafia, or extinct mafia and then a current one who has part in a war that costs thousands of lives every year, and with an unseen brutality.
Just because their name's sake died, doesn't mean Gambino family is not an actual still existing Mafia family. Even when Gotti was the Don, the organization was still known as Gambino family.
Your point does not get more valid. *shrug*
I know a family like the Gambino fam still exists, but it's NOTHING compared to what it was. But if you want me to compare the Gambino fam and the Mexican drug cartels, I can tell you that a fam like Gambino often chose to bribe people like government officials to get their way. Mexican cartels generally don't bribe, they only kill.
If you don't see a difference in brutality between "normal" organised crime groups and the Mexican cartels, then I can make no argument or point that will be valid in your eyes. I'm not saying the name Sinaloa should be illegal to use or anything like that. I'm just questioning the tastefulness in the name, and I think it's distasteful.
General Comments & Major Rumors
23:38:38 - 26-02
Fillip at 23:34:52 on 26/02:
Only problem is that none will be afraid of scout club in mafia game :D
Only problem is that none will be afraid of scout club in mafia game :D
Well, I'd bet you would be (a)killed, so the name certainly has some notoriety ;)
General Comments & Major Rumors
23:33:35 - 26-02
Fillip at 23:30:58 on 26/02:
@Novu
Next version we can make family called Hitler jugend.They didn't made any evil,were just a youth ;)
@Novu
Next version we can make family called Hitler jugend.They didn't made any evil,were just a youth ;)
Totally, they were just a scouts club ;)
General Comments & Major Rumors
23:19:28 - 26-02
Anonymous at 22:59:41 on 26/02:
Yes, human trafficking, drug deals, or dumping highly toxic waste near some populated towns, just harming people who get into their way.
You clearly have a very romantic idea of the italian mafia.
If you want to follow your Hitler obsession, look for a WWII based RPG.
Novu at 22:17:50 on 26/02:
Fully aware of this. But while this is just a theoretic game you're also not allowed to have a Hitler-themed family. While it's not illegal to have a Sinaloa-themed family, I just think Sinaloa is much too grim to name yourself after. Other mafias and criminal gangs usually try to keep a low profile and generally only hurt those who get in the way of business. The Italian mafia has a certain code of honour. Sinaloa is a different breed. Sinaloa and other Mexican cartels are pretty much waging a civil war with lots of collateral damage, so I think there's a significant difference.
I didn't think my point of view would be popular, but I stand by it, so no, I'm not going to rethink.
Anonymous at 22:03:23 on 26/02:
You are aware this is theoretically a Mafia themed RPG?
You are aware that Carlo Gambino and fis successors like Castellano were not particularly charitable figures, too?
Disregard of human life is the very essence of organised crime.
You might want to rethink before opening your mouth.
Novu at 20:29:56 on 26/02:
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
You are aware this is theoretically a Mafia themed RPG?
You are aware that Carlo Gambino and fis successors like Castellano were not particularly charitable figures, too?
Disregard of human life is the very essence of organised crime.
You might want to rethink before opening your mouth.
Fully aware of this. But while this is just a theoretic game you're also not allowed to have a Hitler-themed family. While it's not illegal to have a Sinaloa-themed family, I just think Sinaloa is much too grim to name yourself after. Other mafias and criminal gangs usually try to keep a low profile and generally only hurt those who get in the way of business. The Italian mafia has a certain code of honour. Sinaloa is a different breed. Sinaloa and other Mexican cartels are pretty much waging a civil war with lots of collateral damage, so I think there's a significant difference.
I didn't think my point of view would be popular, but I stand by it, so no, I'm not going to rethink.
Yes, human trafficking, drug deals, or dumping highly toxic waste near some populated towns, just harming people who get into their way.
You clearly have a very romantic idea of the italian mafia.
If you want to follow your Hitler obsession, look for a WWII based RPG.
Yes I do have a somewhat romantic view of the Italian mafia. But you can ask the Italian mafia how shocked they were of the brutality of the Albanian mafia, and then know that the Mexican cartels are magnitudes above that. The Italian mafia DID have a certain code of honour. Even among criminals there are big differences in how they operate. I know I'm talking to deaf ears, but I just think there's a big difference between some criminal organisations. Just try watching a documentary about any Mexican cartel and you should be able to see what I mean.
I don't exactly have an obsession with Hitler, but I think there's a reason in most WWII games you can't play as the SS. But fine, let me make another comparison. The Wehrmacht or regular German army were as an instrument of the Nazi regime evil. The SS though were evil on a whole other level. I see normal criminal organisations as evil, but Mexican cartels as evil on a whole other level.
And I think there's also a big difference of playing with a name of a former mafia, or extinct mafia and then a current one who has part in a war that costs thousands of lives every year, and with an unseen brutality.
General Comments & Major Rumors
22:46:41 - 26-02
bANJO at 22:29:06 on 26/02:
im in the family andoria. If you google that its a blue planet with blue ppl from Star Trek....
Its just a name...
I have no opinions, or desire to be a blue person....
Novu at 22:25:24 on 26/02:
Names represent opinions, actions etc. I could give you a list of war criminals and tell you it's just names, but they still represent something. Again the nazi example is great, cause of it's notoriety. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Josef Mengele, the Schutzstaffel aka. SS etc. These are just names? Can you think of Auschwitz-Birkenau, Mauthausen, Sibibor, Bergen-Belsen, Neuengamme, Buchenwald, Dachau without negative connotations? I personally can't.
bANJO at 22:06:46 on 26/02:
its just a name...
Novu at 20:29:56 on 26/02:
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
its just a name...
Names represent opinions, actions etc. I could give you a list of war criminals and tell you it's just names, but they still represent something. Again the nazi example is great, cause of it's notoriety. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Josef Mengele, the Schutzstaffel aka. SS etc. These are just names? Can you think of Auschwitz-Birkenau, Mauthausen, Sibibor, Bergen-Belsen, Neuengamme, Buchenwald, Dachau without negative connotations? I personally can't.
im in the family andoria. If you google that its a blue planet with blue ppl from Star Trek....
Its just a name...
I have no opinions, or desire to be a blue person....
Those blue people are fictional. Sinaloa is not. They abduct people to behead them, dismember them, publicly hang them, put them in acid baths, burn them alive where they use diesel fuel, cause it burns slower. They don't just kill people, they torture them. A brutality much worse than you can imagine.
General Comments & Major Rumors
22:25:24 - 26-02
bANJO at 22:06:46 on 26/02:
its just a name...
Novu at 20:29:56 on 26/02:
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
its just a name...
Names represent opinions, actions etc. I could give you a list of war criminals and tell you it's just names, but they still represent something. Again the nazi example is great, cause of it's notoriety. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Josef Mengele, the Schutzstaffel aka. SS etc. These are just names? Can you think of Auschwitz-Birkenau, Mauthausen, Sibibor, Bergen-Belsen, Neuengamme, Buchenwald, Dachau without negative connotations? I personally can't.
General Comments & Major Rumors
22:17:50 - 26-02
Anonymous at 22:03:23 on 26/02:
You are aware this is theoretically a Mafia themed RPG?
You are aware that Carlo Gambino and fis successors like Castellano were not particularly charitable figures, too?
Disregard of human life is the very essence of organised crime.
You might want to rethink before opening your mouth.
Novu at 20:29:56 on 26/02:
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
You are aware this is theoretically a Mafia themed RPG?
You are aware that Carlo Gambino and fis successors like Castellano were not particularly charitable figures, too?
Disregard of human life is the very essence of organised crime.
You might want to rethink before opening your mouth.
Fully aware of this. But while this is just a theoretic game you're also not allowed to have a Hitler-themed family. While it's not illegal to have a Sinaloa-themed family, I just think Sinaloa is much too grim to name yourself after. Other mafias and criminal gangs usually try to keep a low profile and generally only hurt those who get in the way of business. The Italian mafia has a certain code of honour. Sinaloa is a different breed. Sinaloa and other Mexican cartels are pretty much waging a civil war with lots of collateral damage, so I think there's a significant difference.
I didn't think my point of view would be popular, but I stand by it, so no, I'm not going to rethink.
General Comments & Major Rumors
20:29:56 - 26-02
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
07-12 Why are you posting anonymous?
22:25:52 - 11-12
For the same reason YouTube is trying to force you to use your real name. When you're anonymous you talk shit, cause you'll feel no consequences. It's bad conduct and seen generally online today imo. I think it started as the internet became widespread, before then I remember most internet users as being nice and helpful, not mean and trolling.
06-10 Déjà vu
00:58:47 - 06-10
Rosegarden at 00:45:15 on 06/10:
You have witnessed Peace kill Gras To auction this witness statement use the following id: 197
you can add Koninkrijk to shooters
You have witnessed Peace kill Gras To auction this witness statement use the following id: 197
you can add Koninkrijk to shooters
Hi :)
19-08 PEWPEPEPPWPWWWWWW
14:27:25 - 20-08
Saros`away at 14:20:32 on 20/08:
Except that in our case, we didn't sit back in our chair. We were actively trying to do something for a while now. The reason that it didn't happen I won't go into detail here, let's just say I don't agree with it, at all.
Novu at 14:08:19 on 20/08:
It's always easy to sit back in your chair and say what should have been done in hindsight. Sometimes what should have been done, couldn't be done for different reasons. I don't really know any specifics here, I'm just saying it's too easy to say that.
It's always easy to sit back in your chair and say what should have been done in hindsight. Sometimes what should have been done, couldn't be done for different reasons. I don't really know any specifics here, I'm just saying it's too easy to say that.
Except that in our case, we didn't sit back in our chair. We were actively trying to do something for a while now. The reason that it didn't happen I won't go into detail here, let's just say I don't agree with it, at all.
My point exactly :) I was referring to someone who criticized that the targets here hadn't been the attackers instead. Usually it's not like fams don't try, it's just that for different reasons it's not always possible like you said :) But again I don't know any specifics here, I'm just talking in general.
19-08 PEWPEPEPPWPWWWWWW
14:08:19 - 20-08
It's always easy to sit back in your chair and say what should have been done in hindsight. Sometimes what should have been done, couldn't be done for different reasons. I don't really know any specifics here, I'm just saying it's too easy to say that.
19-08 PEWPEPEPPWPWWWWWW
23:38:50 - 19-08
Anonymous at 23:29:55 on 19/08:
Massbloods don't win versions tho. I don't consider this version to have a winner. If you play with 10 families, there is no WINNER. Of the last 10 versions we had, probably 5-8 of them needed a vote to declare who was the winner and even then the players were devided about who was the winner.
Admins should just reset this version without a winner. Keep the hall of fame for such versions open so it becomes more of a tempation to actually win a version with less than 5 families.
Novu at 23:26:14 on 19/08:
That's an uphill battle JTR :) The playerbase has gotten used to the massblooding and have seen it win versions, so it's unlikely to change as everyone wants to win. We need some of the good old brave fams back who are always trying stuff. The likes of Vincitori and such. (Hi Joellin)
JTRNotLoggedIn at 23:19:45 on 19/08:
Vote NO, so people will get bored after this ridiculous version and force either the playerbase or the admins to act against these short versions... :)
Anonymous at 23:05:33 on 19/08:
ROM is already 53% yes..:')
The result of an KA/game that is only made for one party to win. Kill or be killed.
Heck, they should give us 2 Rob's. That's how hard it is to build up an account and see it it all whiped out within the blink of a eye.
Anyway, another big war..again lots of rebirth's without lackey credits that will wave goodbye to this version.
On to the next!
ROM is already 53% yes..:')
The result of an KA/game that is only made for one party to win. Kill or be killed.
Heck, they should give us 2 Rob's. That's how hard it is to build up an account and see it it all whiped out within the blink of a eye.
Anyway, another big war..again lots of rebirth's without lackey credits that will wave goodbye to this version.
On to the next!
Vote NO, so people will get bored after this ridiculous version and force either the playerbase or the admins to act against these short versions... :)
That's an uphill battle JTR :) The playerbase has gotten used to the massblooding and have seen it win versions, so it's unlikely to change as everyone wants to win. We need some of the good old brave fams back who are always trying stuff. The likes of Vincitori and such. (Hi Joellin)
Massbloods don't win versions tho. I don't consider this version to have a winner. If you play with 10 families, there is no WINNER. Of the last 10 versions we had, probably 5-8 of them needed a vote to declare who was the winner and even then the players were devided about who was the winner.
Admins should just reset this version without a winner. Keep the hall of fame for such versions open so it becomes more of a tempation to actually win a version with less than 5 families.
Technically true I suppose, but a pact "won" then, so it does "win" versions. Depends on how you define it I suppose.
JTRNotLoggedIn at 23:30:04 on 19/08:
It's hard to be motivated to come back, when the version only lasts 2 weeks after the KA is fixed. This was my first real version for like 1½ years, and it did definitely suck :D
It seems like it's on the admins to figure out a way to prevent these gang bang versions :)
It's hard to be motivated to come back, when the version only lasts 2 weeks after the KA is fixed. This was my first real version for like 1½ years, and it did definitely suck :D
It seems like it's on the admins to figure out a way to prevent these gang bang versions :)
Yeah I haven't played for 1,5 years or more either. For me the legalization of scripting that came with lackeys kinda killed my fun. It feels dumb to rank manual when there's lackeys. Though I heard you now get an advantage by ranking manual, which you didn't when they first introduced the lackeys. I think I have given up, but never say never ofc.
19-08 PEWPEPEPPWPWWWWWW
23:29:37 - 19-08
Anonymous at 23:27:20 on 19/08:
Vinci ^^ man they practicly invented this massive blooding or don't you remember the 8-ball connection in 2.2 ;)
Novu at 23:26:14 on 19/08:
That's an uphill battle JTR :) The playerbase has gotten used to the massblooding and have seen it win versions, so it's unlikely to change as everyone wants to win. We need some of the good old brave fams back who are always trying stuff. The likes of Vincitori and such. (Hi Joellin)
JTRNotLoggedIn at 23:19:45 on 19/08:
Vote NO, so people will get bored after this ridiculous version and force either the playerbase or the admins to act against these short versions... :)
Anonymous at 23:05:33 on 19/08:
ROM is already 53% yes..:')
The result of an KA/game that is only made for one party to win. Kill or be killed.
Heck, they should give us 2 Rob's. That's how hard it is to build up an account and see it it all whiped out within the blink of a eye.
Anyway, another big war..again lots of rebirth's without lackey credits that will wave goodbye to this version.
On to the next!
ROM is already 53% yes..:')
The result of an KA/game that is only made for one party to win. Kill or be killed.
Heck, they should give us 2 Rob's. That's how hard it is to build up an account and see it it all whiped out within the blink of a eye.
Anyway, another big war..again lots of rebirth's without lackey credits that will wave goodbye to this version.
On to the next!
Vote NO, so people will get bored after this ridiculous version and force either the playerbase or the admins to act against these short versions... :)
That's an uphill battle JTR :) The playerbase has gotten used to the massblooding and have seen it win versions, so it's unlikely to change as everyone wants to win. We need some of the good old brave fams back who are always trying stuff. The likes of Vincitori and such. (Hi Joellin)
Vinci ^^ man they practicly invented this massive blooding or don't you remember the 8-ball connection in 2.2 ;)
Not really.. that must be likes 8-9 years ago. I just really like the dynamic that Vinci usually brought to the game.
19-08 PEWPEPEPPWPWWWWWW
23:26:14 - 19-08
JTRNotLoggedIn at 23:19:45 on 19/08:
Vote NO, so people will get bored after this ridiculous version and force either the playerbase or the admins to act against these short versions... :)
Anonymous at 23:05:33 on 19/08:
ROM is already 53% yes..:')
The result of an KA/game that is only made for one party to win. Kill or be killed.
Heck, they should give us 2 Rob's. That's how hard it is to build up an account and see it it all whiped out within the blink of a eye.
Anyway, another big war..again lots of rebirth's without lackey credits that will wave goodbye to this version.
On to the next!
ROM is already 53% yes..:')
The result of an KA/game that is only made for one party to win. Kill or be killed.
Heck, they should give us 2 Rob's. That's how hard it is to build up an account and see it it all whiped out within the blink of a eye.
Anyway, another big war..again lots of rebirth's without lackey credits that will wave goodbye to this version.
On to the next!
Vote NO, so people will get bored after this ridiculous version and force either the playerbase or the admins to act against these short versions... :)
That's an uphill battle JTR :) The playerbase has gotten used to the massblooding and have seen it win versions, so it's unlikely to change as everyone wants to win. We need some of the good old brave fams back who are always trying stuff. The likes of Vincitori and such. (Hi Joellin)
19-08 PEWPEPEPPWPWWWWWW
23:00:58 - 19-08
Rijst at 22:55:02 on 19/08:
I remember my history books always being pretty heavy though.
Novu at 22:50:27 on 19/08:
I don't know if I understand this correct, but you seem to be saying that what decides if a family is big, is what they did in they past? Maybe that decides their reputation, but you can't kill your enemies with a history book dude
I don't know if I understand this correct, but you seem to be saying that what decides if a family is big, is what they did in they past? Maybe that decides their reputation, but you can't kill your enemies with a history book dude
I remember my history books always being pretty heavy though.
How far can you throw it though? And will it get enough force in a throw? Can you sneak up to an enemy and beat him to death with your history book? That last one might actually be possible.
19-08 PEWPEPEPPWPWWWWWW
22:50:27 - 19-08
Anonymous at 22:40:51 on 19/08:
Faffie big? Anomaly big? Elite big? portale big? Those are very very big names in omerta history, so i first heard of them in last version. Tho, Faffie is dupe fam with 10 fams ranking in, so it is small, ver small, smallest family with that position in omerta history. It is not about how many brugs somebody have, but about how did they sid in past etc etc. So, to be honest, nobody cabt say that Faffie is big fam - FACT!
Anonymous at 22:18:50 on 19/08:
Faffie = big
Gambino = big
Anomaly = big
Capitalis = 21 brug = big
Elite = 17 brugs (Relatively big)
Portale = 17 brug+ (relatively big)
There were hardly any massive fams left, so really this is a gangbang. Afraid of ending like Gravano and Liberta probably. Fail
Anonymous at 22:11:00 on 19/08:
9 relatively small fams, except for gambino and anomaly. #cry
Anonymous at 22:09:32 on 19/08:
Yet again a gangbang, 9 families open up against 2 families. We've had so much more smaller sides this version, or atleast something that was going to look like one. We're back at square 1 thanks to the same old side that still can't win it alone. :/
Yet again a gangbang, 9 families open up against 2 families. We've had so much more smaller sides this version, or atleast something that was going to look like one. We're back at square 1 thanks to the same old side that still can't win it alone. :/
9 relatively small fams, except for gambino and anomaly. #cry
Faffie = big
Gambino = big
Anomaly = big
Capitalis = 21 brug = big
Elite = 17 brugs (Relatively big)
Portale = 17 brug+ (relatively big)
There were hardly any massive fams left, so really this is a gangbang. Afraid of ending like Gravano and Liberta probably. Fail
I don't know if I understand this correct, but you seem to be saying that what decides if a family is big, is what they did in they past? Maybe that decides their reputation, but you can't kill your enemies with a history book dude
General Comments & Major Rumors
16:49:34 - 13-02
Looks like nothing has changed since the time I was playing :)
Wikipedia:
"By the end of Felipe Calderón's administration (2006–2012), the official death toll of the Mexican Drug War was at least 60,000, most of whom were criminals.[43] although unconfirmed accounts set the homicide rate above 100,000 deaths, given the large number of people who have disappeared."
As such I think using the name Sinaloa might be a bit too much. The brutality by which they operate is disgusting. I know people are using names like Hells Angels also. That's obviously also not good people, though I think more of Sons of Anarchy, instead of a cartel abducting innocent people, beheading them and some never to be found again. I hate to pull the nazi-card, but that's the kind of brutality Mexican drug cartels operate by - a total disregard of human lives.
But you know, you decide by yourself who you want to imitate or idolise.
You are aware this is theoretically a Mafia themed RPG?
You are aware that Carlo Gambino and fis successors like Castellano were not particularly charitable figures, too?
Disregard of human life is the very essence of organised crime.
You might want to rethink before opening your mouth.
Fully aware of this. But while this is just a theoretic game you're also not allowed to have a Hitler-themed family. While it's not illegal to have a Sinaloa-themed family, I just think Sinaloa is much too grim to name yourself after. Other mafias and criminal gangs usually try to keep a low profile and generally only hurt those who get in the way of business. The Italian mafia has a certain code of honour. Sinaloa is a different breed. Sinaloa and other Mexican cartels are pretty much waging a civil war with lots of collateral damage, so I think there's a significant difference.
I didn't think my point of view would be popular, but I stand by it, so no, I'm not going to rethink.
Yes, human trafficking, drug deals, or dumping highly toxic waste near some populated towns, just harming people who get into their way.
You clearly have a very romantic idea of the italian mafia.
If you want to follow your Hitler obsession, look for a WWII based RPG.
Yes I do have a somewhat romantic view of the Italian mafia. But you can ask the Italian mafia how shocked they were of the brutality of the Albanian mafia, and then know that the Mexican cartels are magnitudes above that. The Italian mafia DID have a certain code of honour. Even among criminals there are big differences in how they operate. I know I'm talking to deaf ears, but I just think there's a big difference between some criminal organisations. Just try watching a documentary about any Mexican cartel and you should be able to see what I mean.
I don't exactly have an obsession with Hitler, but I think there's a reason in most WWII games you can't play as the SS. But fine, let me make another comparison. The Wehrmacht or regular German army were as an instrument of the Nazi regime evil. The SS though were evil on a whole other level. I see normal criminal organisations as evil, but Mexican cartels as evil on a whole other level.
And I think there's also a big difference of playing with a name of a former mafia, or extinct mafia and then a current one who has part in a war that costs thousands of lives every year, and with an unseen brutality.
Just because their name's sake died, doesn't mean Gambino family is not an actual still existing Mafia family. Even when Gotti was the Don, the organization was still known as Gambino family.
Your point does not get more valid. *shrug*
I know a family like the Gambino fam still exists, but it's NOTHING compared to what it was. But if you want me to compare the Gambino fam and the Mexican drug cartels, I can tell you that a fam like Gambino often chose to bribe people like government officials to get their way. Mexican cartels generally don't bribe, they only kill.
If you don't see a difference in brutality between "normal" organised crime groups and the Mexican cartels, then I can make no argument or point that will be valid in your eyes. I'm not saying the name Sinaloa should be illegal to use or anything like that. I'm just questioning the tastefulness in the name, and I think it's distasteful.
I don't consider that name to be anymore distateful than Gambino, Bonanno, Lucchese, Genovese or Colombo.
Mexian cartels not bribing? There are entire cities and states under the control of a distinc cartel. The problem is, with so much corruption there's no need to be discrete.
Yes forgive me, I mostly focussed on war zones like Ciudad Juarez. Generally no bribes there, just murders. But either way we're not going to agree here, and that's fine. I was just voicing my opinion. It's bedtime for me, so goodnight Mr. Anonymous.