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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Jonsered (14:45:16 - 19-10)
Jonsered (14:42:20 - 19-10)
It looks like some kind of Champions League, where Real, Inter, Barca, Milan, ManU, Bayern and other grands eliminate each other in group stages, then somehow lose against weaker opponents in 1/16, and only non-top teams like Genk, BATE or Olympiakos stay in competition.
Competition is still on, however all top team coaches and supporters say "screw this game, those teams play non-interesting football, we do not care who will win, bla bla reset this league and lets start over".
Now would those words be fair towards those low level teams, who are still in the competition, since some of them, knowing they are not as powerful, chose defensive style of play and managed to score at their only oportunity, some of them had a bit of luck, and some put REALLY REALLY hard effort to be where they are now - and this is their achievement of the history?
Would it be fair towards them?
Should there only be Omerta with Conflict, Vinci, Vaffa, Krays, Marazzino, Liberta, Gambino, Righelli, Lucchese and Nazdrovia, and when those fams are down version is considered boring/closed?
Competition is still on, however all top team coaches and supporters say "screw this game, those teams play non-interesting football, we do not care who will win, bla bla reset this league and lets start over".
Now would those words be fair towards those low level teams, who are still in the competition, since some of them, knowing they are not as powerful, chose defensive style of play and managed to score at their only oportunity, some of them had a bit of luck, and some put REALLY REALLY hard effort to be where they are now - and this is their achievement of the history?
Would it be fair towards them?
Should there only be Omerta with Conflict, Vinci, Vaffa, Krays, Marazzino, Liberta, Gambino, Righelli, Lucchese and Nazdrovia, and when those fams are down version is considered boring/closed?
Noobster (14:40:42 - 19-10)
Anonymous at 14:35:27 on 19/10:
You said (probably without knowing you did) the essence of whats wrong with the present situation.
"Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version"
I think the discussion is about the means not the end. To make it till the end can be an objective indd, to be the last one standing too.
Its more the road the present top fams chose to get there which is different then what people desire. Hence its more a style discussion then a result discussion. Its the same difference as discusions in the past. If reset is announced now, x-zone and traffi (random examples) can be seen as winners, were they pwners no, did they pwn no, but won? yeah maybe.
Personally i prefer to join fams who like to shoot as much as they can, and with that have as much fun as they can before they die. While others might join fams like traffi, for which you are more likely to stay alive and rank as muchs as (your lackeys) can. Some find joy in ranking, others in shooting. Thats also the only explenation i can think up of why these mentioned fams have more then 10 members.
Jonsered at 13:56:49 on 19/10:
Well, from the last discussions we can make the conclusions.
"Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version." - In this case it means version is still open and it is still anybody's game.
If this is anybody's game, that means families who are still around, chose the right strategy. Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version, as it is not yet locked. After that you either win or die. I agree that families, who stay alive after the version is locked, and are not in the winning side, may be laughed at. However, if family lives in the lategame, and it's still anybody's game, it means family has been doing something right.
Well, from the last discussions we can make the conclusions.
"Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version." - In this case it means version is still open and it is still anybody's game.
If this is anybody's game, that means families who are still around, chose the right strategy. Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version, as it is not yet locked. After that you either win or die. I agree that families, who stay alive after the version is locked, and are not in the winning side, may be laughed at. However, if family lives in the lategame, and it's still anybody's game, it means family has been doing something right.
You said (probably without knowing you did) the essence of whats wrong with the present situation.
"Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version"
I think the discussion is about the means not the end. To make it till the end can be an objective indd, to be the last one standing too.
Its more the road the present top fams chose to get there which is different then what people desire. Hence its more a style discussion then a result discussion. Its the same difference as discusions in the past. If reset is announced now, x-zone and traffi (random examples) can be seen as winners, were they pwners no, did they pwn no, but won? yeah maybe.
Personally i prefer to join fams who like to shoot as much as they can, and with that have as much fun as they can before they die. While others might join fams like traffi, for which you are more likely to stay alive and rank as muchs as (your lackeys) can. Some find joy in ranking, others in shooting. Thats also the only explenation i can think up of why these mentioned fams have more then 10 members.
_o_ +1
Noobster (14:39:36 - 19-10)
lunatiko at 14:23:13 on 19/10:
That's why most of us are not playing..that's why most people is not playing..for those same reasons!and no, believe me i'm not playing .com atm..
and that's why also,.they will change most things!
cause people complainted..and that's why admins even asked..if players wanted the changes right now. ofc changing things in the midle of a version is even worst but at least reset it fast..since new changes are coming !
Noobster at 13:58:59 on 19/10:
Don't get me wrong, I don't play smartass. Just give my opinion and then you start calling names. Dude, relax a bit! if you prefer to play only once a version, no problem for me. If you don't like hugging, no problem for me. You choice! But if you are complaing for months about version and that everything is changed negatively, then you should consider if you still wanna play this game or not. If you wanna play, accept the fact that things have changed or stop complaining. Nothing will change by complaining!!
And nope, I don't know everything about conflict. Only thing I know is that they still act like they used to do and which brought them/ou fame and glory, but which is not the last versions in 'new'style! So, probably you cannot/want to adapt, but then glory won't be yours anymore! :D Besides, nothing is proven about my tactic, since none of you have tried it and ignored the questions about it! :P
lunatiko at 13:46:46 on 19/10:
Actually no, noobster..we didn't have a big bloodlist! but ofc u can give me examples..and why should conflict upgrade?cause we don't like to play like puppetz and huggers?
you are a smartass, u dunno shit about conflict, and 3 persons prooved you were wrong about wars..now tell me..on what should conflict upgrade?
new tops so we can have more bloods and shoot less..that's why we always have our core group that probably is the biggest in omerta..version after version..even if we just play once a version..
Actually no, noobster..we didn't have a big bloodlist! but ofc u can give me examples..and why should conflict upgrade?cause we don't like to play like puppetz and huggers?
you are a smartass, u dunno shit about conflict, and 3 persons prooved you were wrong about wars..now tell me..on what should conflict upgrade?
new tops so we can have more bloods and shoot less..that's why we always have our core group that probably is the biggest in omerta..version after version..even if we just play once a version..
Don't get me wrong, I don't play smartass. Just give my opinion and then you start calling names. Dude, relax a bit! if you prefer to play only once a version, no problem for me. If you don't like hugging, no problem for me. You choice! But if you are complaing for months about version and that everything is changed negatively, then you should consider if you still wanna play this game or not. If you wanna play, accept the fact that things have changed or stop complaining. Nothing will change by complaining!!
And nope, I don't know everything about conflict. Only thing I know is that they still act like they used to do and which brought them/ou fame and glory, but which is not the last versions in 'new'style! So, probably you cannot/want to adapt, but then glory won't be yours anymore! :D Besides, nothing is proven about my tactic, since none of you have tried it and ignored the questions about it! :P
and that's why also,.they will change most things!
cause people complainted..and that's why admins even asked..if players wanted the changes right now. ofc changing things in the midle of a version is even worst but at least reset it fast..since new changes are coming !
I prefer also changes, but as long as this version is open (and that is a fact) no reset should be announced. :) Besides, why don't you give answers to my questions? ;)
Anonymous (14:35:27 - 19-10)
Jonsered at 13:56:49 on 19/10:
Well, from the last discussions we can make the conclusions.
"Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version." - In this case it means version is still open and it is still anybody's game.
If this is anybody's game, that means families who are still around, chose the right strategy. Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version, as it is not yet locked. After that you either win or die. I agree that families, who stay alive after the version is locked, and are not in the winning side, may be laughed at. However, if family lives in the lategame, and it's still anybody's game, it means family has been doing something right.
Well, from the last discussions we can make the conclusions.
"Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version." - In this case it means version is still open and it is still anybody's game.
If this is anybody's game, that means families who are still around, chose the right strategy. Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version, as it is not yet locked. After that you either win or die. I agree that families, who stay alive after the version is locked, and are not in the winning side, may be laughed at. However, if family lives in the lategame, and it's still anybody's game, it means family has been doing something right.
You said (probably without knowing you did) the essence of whats wrong with the present situation.
"Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version"
I think the discussion is about the means not the end. To make it till the end can be an objective indd, to be the last one standing too.
Its more the road the present top fams chose to get there which is different then what people desire. Hence its more a style discussion then a result discussion. Its the same difference as discusions in the past. If reset is announced now, x-zone and traffi (random examples) can be seen as winners, were they pwners no, did they pwn no, but won? yeah maybe.
Personally i prefer to join fams who like to shoot as much as they can, and with that have as much fun as they can before they die. While others might join fams like traffi, for which you are more likely to stay alive and rank as muchs as (your lackeys) can. Some find joy in ranking, others in shooting. Thats also the only explenation i can think up of why these mentioned fams have more then 10 members.
Noobster at 13:58:59 on 19/10:
Don't get me wrong, I don't play smartass. Just give my opinion and then you start calling names. Dude, relax a bit! if you prefer to play only once a version, no problem for me. If you don't like hugging, no problem for me. You choice! But if you are complaing for months about version and that everything is changed negatively, then you should consider if you still wanna play this game or not. If you wanna play, accept the fact that things have changed or stop complaining. Nothing will change by complaining!!
And nope, I don't know everything about conflict. Only thing I know is that they still act like they used to do and which brought them/ou fame and glory, but which is not the last versions in 'new'style! So, probably you cannot/want to adapt, but then glory won't be yours anymore! :D Besides, nothing is proven about my tactic, since none of you have tried it and ignored the questions about it! :P
lunatiko at 13:46:46 on 19/10:
Actually no, noobster..we didn't have a big bloodlist! but ofc u can give me examples..and why should conflict upgrade?cause we don't like to play like puppetz and huggers?
you are a smartass, u dunno shit about conflict, and 3 persons prooved you were wrong about wars..now tell me..on what should conflict upgrade?
new tops so we can have more bloods and shoot less..that's why we always have our core group that probably is the biggest in omerta..version after version..even if we just play once a version..
Actually no, noobster..we didn't have a big bloodlist! but ofc u can give me examples..and why should conflict upgrade?cause we don't like to play like puppetz and huggers?
you are a smartass, u dunno shit about conflict, and 3 persons prooved you were wrong about wars..now tell me..on what should conflict upgrade?
new tops so we can have more bloods and shoot less..that's why we always have our core group that probably is the biggest in omerta..version after version..even if we just play once a version..
Don't get me wrong, I don't play smartass. Just give my opinion and then you start calling names. Dude, relax a bit! if you prefer to play only once a version, no problem for me. If you don't like hugging, no problem for me. You choice! But if you are complaing for months about version and that everything is changed negatively, then you should consider if you still wanna play this game or not. If you wanna play, accept the fact that things have changed or stop complaining. Nothing will change by complaining!!
And nope, I don't know everything about conflict. Only thing I know is that they still act like they used to do and which brought them/ou fame and glory, but which is not the last versions in 'new'style! So, probably you cannot/want to adapt, but then glory won't be yours anymore! :D Besides, nothing is proven about my tactic, since none of you have tried it and ignored the questions about it! :P
and that's why also,.they will change most things!
cause people complainted..and that's why admins even asked..if players wanted the changes right now. ofc changing things in the midle of a version is even worst but at least reset it fast..since new changes are coming !
Noobster (14:15:38 - 19-10)
Johnny at 13:56:44 on 19/10:
You're right. There was pussy pact and there was famous pact of Conflict and co. There were always "asslickers" and those who would jump in and we all have used it. There's no need to hide it.
When Conflict would be dominating they would have well known plan, to kill everyone but it's bloods, so you knew for sure Conflict will close game and make it end. Even if Conflict wouldn't give you chance to come back, you knew they won and that was simply it. Everyone whined cause we all felt powerless against it. But game was moving, and that's whole point.
We are in versions now where there are no more so dominating power houses such as Conflict's group back then.
But I can tell you 1 huge difference between now and then. Families back then shot, and kept shooting, pussypact or pact or even single, all of them had agenda had and clear idea what to do. No matter how dirty game was, lies, backstabs or whatever all that was happening in game was making game interesting and moving, was making those who got killed feeling screwed over. There were more than 2 groups, there were many families fighting own battles, making own enemies. And every now and then you would get big clash where a lot of families would involve. Back then families without idea what to do wouldn't last long cuz they would get shot in fight for top.
If you ask me now I would trade 10 of these clueless families for 1 Fumatore, who knows game and who has agenda.
And I'm totally wrong person to talk about Righelli, but Righelli which I saw this version is far from Righelli I know.
And maybe you're right, it's nothing new that fams follow those who scream louder, but it's completely new that families play without any ambition to do anything. And this keeps going on and on...
Anonymous at 13:36:50 on 19/10:
Long bloodslist isnt a new style. Didnt conflict play with a big list before in the versions they won?
Wasnt vinci part of pussypact?
Both mentioned fams also had a lot of asslicker fams. If Conflict (or vinci for the matter) got shot at, fam with no official relation (not being bloods) shot for them. Although not an official blood, cuz god forbid long bloodslist.
So its not really something new, neither is it something you didnt use yourself, although not openly.
Also you said 'old' fams wouldnt play the waiting game. Explain Righelli's strategy this version then.
Its all nothing new. In the versions Conflict did well and/or won with their bloodring, none official pact, it was vinci people and nazd people complaining here complaining about their style.
When Vinci did well, Conflict (and bloods) people complained here about their style of playing
And now when non of these 'old' fams are up atm, they seem to gather here to complain about the present top fams.
I do agree with what Johnny wrote in one of his previous posts. Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version.
Long bloodslist isnt a new style. Didnt conflict play with a big list before in the versions they won?
Wasnt vinci part of pussypact?
Both mentioned fams also had a lot of asslicker fams. If Conflict (or vinci for the matter) got shot at, fam with no official relation (not being bloods) shot for them. Although not an official blood, cuz god forbid long bloodslist.
So its not really something new, neither is it something you didnt use yourself, although not openly.
Also you said 'old' fams wouldnt play the waiting game. Explain Righelli's strategy this version then.
Its all nothing new. In the versions Conflict did well and/or won with their bloodring, none official pact, it was vinci people and nazd people complaining here complaining about their style.
When Vinci did well, Conflict (and bloods) people complained here about their style of playing
And now when non of these 'old' fams are up atm, they seem to gather here to complain about the present top fams.
I do agree with what Johnny wrote in one of his previous posts. Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version.
You're right. There was pussy pact and there was famous pact of Conflict and co. There were always "asslickers" and those who would jump in and we all have used it. There's no need to hide it.
When Conflict would be dominating they would have well known plan, to kill everyone but it's bloods, so you knew for sure Conflict will close game and make it end. Even if Conflict wouldn't give you chance to come back, you knew they won and that was simply it. Everyone whined cause we all felt powerless against it. But game was moving, and that's whole point.
We are in versions now where there are no more so dominating power houses such as Conflict's group back then.
But I can tell you 1 huge difference between now and then. Families back then shot, and kept shooting, pussypact or pact or even single, all of them had agenda had and clear idea what to do. No matter how dirty game was, lies, backstabs or whatever all that was happening in game was making game interesting and moving, was making those who got killed feeling screwed over. There were more than 2 groups, there were many families fighting own battles, making own enemies. And every now and then you would get big clash where a lot of families would involve. Back then families without idea what to do wouldn't last long cuz they would get shot in fight for top.
If you ask me now I would trade 10 of these clueless families for 1 Fumatore, who knows game and who has agenda.
And I'm totally wrong person to talk about Righelli, but Righelli which I saw this version is far from Righelli I know.
And maybe you're right, it's nothing new that fams follow those who scream louder, but it's completely new that families play without any ambition to do anything. And this keeps going on and on...
Since the game is getting older, ppl have more contacts and friends, so they add more bloods to their fam etc. Ppl take things too personally and don't dare to shoot a friends fam anymore. Ppl should be aware that old enemies don't have to be enemies anymore. Like we have seen fams like marazz who still fight fams because of what happened in 2.3 or what so ever.... better focus on what is happening now. And yes, we are all part of the current situation, so we all have to take our responsibility.
Noobster (13:58:59 - 19-10)
lunatiko at 13:46:46 on 19/10:
Actually no, noobster..we didn't have a big bloodlist! but ofc u can give me examples..and why should conflict upgrade?cause we don't like to play like puppetz and huggers?
you are a smartass, u dunno shit about conflict, and 3 persons prooved you were wrong about wars..now tell me..on what should conflict upgrade?
new tops so we can have more bloods and shoot less..that's why we always have our core group that probably is the biggest in omerta..version after version..even if we just play once a version..
Actually no, noobster..we didn't have a big bloodlist! but ofc u can give me examples..and why should conflict upgrade?cause we don't like to play like puppetz and huggers?
you are a smartass, u dunno shit about conflict, and 3 persons prooved you were wrong about wars..now tell me..on what should conflict upgrade?
new tops so we can have more bloods and shoot less..that's why we always have our core group that probably is the biggest in omerta..version after version..even if we just play once a version..
Don't get me wrong, I don't play smartass. Just give my opinion and then you start calling names. Dude, relax a bit! if you prefer to play only once a version, no problem for me. If you don't like hugging, no problem for me. You choice! But if you are complaing for months about version and that everything is changed negatively, then you should consider if you still wanna play this game or not. If you wanna play, accept the fact that things have changed or stop complaining. Nothing will change by complaining!!
And nope, I don't know everything about conflict. Only thing I know is that they still act like they used to do and which brought them/ou fame and glory, but which is not the last versions in 'new'style! So, probably you cannot/want to adapt, but then glory won't be yours anymore! :D Besides, nothing is proven about my tactic, since none of you have tried it and ignored the questions about it! :P
Jonsered (13:56:49 - 19-10)
Well, from the last discussions we can make the conclusions.
"Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version." - In this case it means version is still open and it is still anybody's game.
If this is anybody's game, that means families who are still around, chose the right strategy. Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version, as it is not yet locked. After that you either win or die. I agree that families, who stay alive after the version is locked, and are not in the winning side, may be laughed at. However, if family lives in the lategame, and it's still anybody's game, it means family has been doing something right.
"Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version." - In this case it means version is still open and it is still anybody's game.
If this is anybody's game, that means families who are still around, chose the right strategy. Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version, as it is not yet locked. After that you either win or die. I agree that families, who stay alive after the version is locked, and are not in the winning side, may be laughed at. However, if family lives in the lategame, and it's still anybody's game, it means family has been doing something right.
Anonymous at 13:36:50 on 19/10:
Long bloodslist isnt a new style. Didnt conflict play with a big list before in the versions they won?
Wasnt vinci part of pussypact?
Both mentioned fams also had a lot of asslicker fams. If Conflict (or vinci for the matter) got shot at, fam with no official relation (not being bloods) shot for them. Although not an official blood, cuz god forbid long bloodslist.
So its not really something new, neither is it something you didnt use yourself, although not openly.
Also you said 'old' fams wouldnt play the waiting game. Explain Righelli's strategy this version then.
Its all nothing new. In the versions Conflict did well and/or won with their bloodring, none official pact, it was vinci people and nazd people complaining here complaining about their style.
When Vinci did well, Conflict (and bloods) people complained here about their style of playing
And now when non of these 'old' fams are up atm, they seem to gather here to complain about the present top fams.
I do agree with what Johnny wrote in one of his previous posts. Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version.
Long bloodslist isnt a new style. Didnt conflict play with a big list before in the versions they won?
Wasnt vinci part of pussypact?
Both mentioned fams also had a lot of asslicker fams. If Conflict (or vinci for the matter) got shot at, fam with no official relation (not being bloods) shot for them. Although not an official blood, cuz god forbid long bloodslist.
So its not really something new, neither is it something you didnt use yourself, although not openly.
Also you said 'old' fams wouldnt play the waiting game. Explain Righelli's strategy this version then.
Its all nothing new. In the versions Conflict did well and/or won with their bloodring, none official pact, it was vinci people and nazd people complaining here complaining about their style.
When Vinci did well, Conflict (and bloods) people complained here about their style of playing
And now when non of these 'old' fams are up atm, they seem to gather here to complain about the present top fams.
I do agree with what Johnny wrote in one of his previous posts. Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version.
You're right. There was pussy pact and there was famous pact of Conflict and co. There were always "asslickers" and those who would jump in and we all have used it. There's no need to hide it.
When Conflict would be dominating they would have well known plan, to kill everyone but it's bloods, so you knew for sure Conflict will close game and make it end. Even if Conflict wouldn't give you chance to come back, you knew they won and that was simply it. Everyone whined cause we all felt powerless against it. But game was moving, and that's whole point.
We are in versions now where there are no more so dominating power houses such as Conflict's group back then.
But I can tell you 1 huge difference between now and then. Families back then shot, and kept shooting, pussypact or pact or even single, all of them had agenda had and clear idea what to do. No matter how dirty game was, lies, backstabs or whatever all that was happening in game was making game interesting and moving, was making those who got killed feeling screwed over. There were more than 2 groups, there were many families fighting own battles, making own enemies. And every now and then you would get big clash where a lot of families would involve. Back then families without idea what to do wouldn't last long cuz they would get shot in fight for top.
If you ask me now I would trade 10 of these clueless families for 1 Fumatore, who knows game and who has agenda.
And I'm totally wrong person to talk about Righelli, but Righelli which I saw this version is far from Righelli I know.
And maybe you're right, it's nothing new that fams follow those who scream louder, but it's completely new that families play without any ambition to do anything. And this keeps going on and on...
Noobster (13:52:44 - 19-10)
Anonymous at 13:36:50 on 19/10:
Long bloodslist isnt a new style. Didnt conflict play with a big list before in the versions they won?
Wasnt vinci part of pussypact?
Both mentioned fams also had a lot of asslicker fams. If Conflict (or vinci for the matter) got shot at, fam with no official relation (not being bloods) shot for them. Although not an official blood, cuz god forbid long bloodslist.
So its not really something new, neither is it something you didnt use yourself, although not openly.
Also you said 'old' fams wouldnt play the waiting game. Explain Righelli's strategy this version then.
Its all nothing new. In the versions Conflict did well and/or won with their bloodring, none official pact, it was vinci people and nazd people complaining here complaining about their style.
When Vinci did well, Conflict (and bloods) people complained here about their style of playing
And now when non of these 'old' fams are up atm, they seem to gather here to complain about the present top fams.
I do agree with what Johnny wrote in one of his previous posts. Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version.
Johnny at 13:10:10 on 19/10:
So basically for new style you say each "old" fam should add at least 2-3 new bloods so they can compete with others? You just said new style = pussy style. There for adapting to new style means becoming pussy, blooding and waiting. I don't think "old" families function like that. Try imaging version played like this, where Conflict, Righelli, Lucchese, Coccada, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Krays, Nazdrovia, Vincitori would all blood within each other and wait for someone to hit them so others can jump in. Pretty pathetic right?
And I didn't mean to fight off these fams when you're up, I meant returning when most of them are waiting you to pop up just so they could have someone to shoot.
Noobster at 12:38:14 on 19/10:
I agree that the tactic I mentioned is not perfect and idd, you still have to deal with bloods. However, if you have adapted you have also 10 bloods yourself, and half the bloods of the fam who you attack won't do shit anyways since they wanna keep hugging. And besides, many strong fam have enough money to buy bg's at obay. And during the night you can get your lowranked members, and won't be shot probably, put their bg's on obay for easy money...
I think conflict and righelli (just to mention 2 fams), 2 fams I respect due to their names and the old days, need some upgrades and some new members in top. In rl you need sometimes a new director/manager to gain new views and regain some enthousiasm etc....
I agree that the tactic I mentioned is not perfect and idd, you still have to deal with bloods. However, if you have adapted you have also 10 bloods yourself, and half the bloods of the fam who you attack won't do shit anyways since they wanna keep hugging. And besides, many strong fam have enough money to buy bg's at obay. And during the night you can get your lowranked members, and won't be shot probably, put their bg's on obay for easy money...
I think conflict and righelli (just to mention 2 fams), 2 fams I respect due to their names and the old days, need some upgrades and some new members in top. In rl you need sometimes a new director/manager to gain new views and regain some enthousiasm etc....
So basically for new style you say each "old" fam should add at least 2-3 new bloods so they can compete with others? You just said new style = pussy style. There for adapting to new style means becoming pussy, blooding and waiting. I don't think "old" families function like that. Try imaging version played like this, where Conflict, Righelli, Lucchese, Coccada, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Krays, Nazdrovia, Vincitori would all blood within each other and wait for someone to hit them so others can jump in. Pretty pathetic right?
And I didn't mean to fight off these fams when you're up, I meant returning when most of them are waiting you to pop up just so they could have someone to shoot.
Long bloodslist isnt a new style. Didnt conflict play with a big list before in the versions they won?
Wasnt vinci part of pussypact?
Both mentioned fams also had a lot of asslicker fams. If Conflict (or vinci for the matter) got shot at, fam with no official relation (not being bloods) shot for them. Although not an official blood, cuz god forbid long bloodslist.
So its not really something new, neither is it something you didnt use yourself, although not openly.
Also you said 'old' fams wouldnt play the waiting game. Explain Righelli's strategy this version then.
Its all nothing new. In the versions Conflict did well and/or won with their bloodring, none official pact, it was vinci people and nazd people complaining here complaining about their style.
When Vinci did well, Conflict (and bloods) people complained here about their style of playing
And now when non of these 'old' fams are up atm, they seem to gather here to complain about the present top fams.
I do agree with what Johnny wrote in one of his previous posts. Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version.
I agree on your comments. Perhaps it's not about new and old, but about the position you have and the view on the game. If you're dead, you complain about alive fams...
I do think that some old fams, which Johnny mentions, need some chance in their top and vision about the game nowadays, since some things have changed, like offline-online, KA and amount of fams within the version. They have to forget what happend in 2.1 and that familly x shot them, so now they have to shoot them and they can't be trusted blablabla. We have seen that new fams like presi and carne can have a role with their shooting style, although they didn't make it till the end. But I know the latter is getting up again, so they will ad value again! And no, I'm not 1 of them! :P
Actually no, noobster..we didn't have a big bloodlist! but ofc u can give me examples..and why should conflict upgrade?cause we don't like to play like puppetz and huggers?
you are a smartass, u dunno shit about conflict, and 3 persons prooved you were wrong about wars..now tell me..on what should conflict upgrade?
new tops so we can have more bloods and shoot less..that's why we always have our core group that probably is the biggest in omerta..version after version..even if we just play once a version..
you are a smartass, u dunno shit about conflict, and 3 persons prooved you were wrong about wars..now tell me..on what should conflict upgrade?
new tops so we can have more bloods and shoot less..that's why we always have our core group that probably is the biggest in omerta..version after version..even if we just play once a version..
Anonymous (13:36:50 - 19-10)
Johnny at 13:10:10 on 19/10:
So basically for new style you say each "old" fam should add at least 2-3 new bloods so they can compete with others? You just said new style = pussy style. There for adapting to new style means becoming pussy, blooding and waiting. I don't think "old" families function like that. Try imaging version played like this, where Conflict, Righelli, Lucchese, Coccada, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Krays, Nazdrovia, Vincitori would all blood within each other and wait for someone to hit them so others can jump in. Pretty pathetic right?
And I didn't mean to fight off these fams when you're up, I meant returning when most of them are waiting you to pop up just so they could have someone to shoot.
Noobster at 12:38:14 on 19/10:
I agree that the tactic I mentioned is not perfect and idd, you still have to deal with bloods. However, if you have adapted you have also 10 bloods yourself, and half the bloods of the fam who you attack won't do shit anyways since they wanna keep hugging. And besides, many strong fam have enough money to buy bg's at obay. And during the night you can get your lowranked members, and won't be shot probably, put their bg's on obay for easy money...
I think conflict and righelli (just to mention 2 fams), 2 fams I respect due to their names and the old days, need some upgrades and some new members in top. In rl you need sometimes a new director/manager to gain new views and regain some enthousiasm etc....
I agree that the tactic I mentioned is not perfect and idd, you still have to deal with bloods. However, if you have adapted you have also 10 bloods yourself, and half the bloods of the fam who you attack won't do shit anyways since they wanna keep hugging. And besides, many strong fam have enough money to buy bg's at obay. And during the night you can get your lowranked members, and won't be shot probably, put their bg's on obay for easy money...
I think conflict and righelli (just to mention 2 fams), 2 fams I respect due to their names and the old days, need some upgrades and some new members in top. In rl you need sometimes a new director/manager to gain new views and regain some enthousiasm etc....
So basically for new style you say each "old" fam should add at least 2-3 new bloods so they can compete with others? You just said new style = pussy style. There for adapting to new style means becoming pussy, blooding and waiting. I don't think "old" families function like that. Try imaging version played like this, where Conflict, Righelli, Lucchese, Coccada, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Krays, Nazdrovia, Vincitori would all blood within each other and wait for someone to hit them so others can jump in. Pretty pathetic right?
And I didn't mean to fight off these fams when you're up, I meant returning when most of them are waiting you to pop up just so they could have someone to shoot.
Long bloodslist isnt a new style. Didnt conflict play with a big list before in the versions they won?
Wasnt vinci part of pussypact?
Both mentioned fams also had a lot of asslicker fams. If Conflict (or vinci for the matter) got shot at, fam with no official relation (not being bloods) shot for them. Although not an official blood, cuz god forbid long bloodslist.
So its not really something new, neither is it something you didnt use yourself, although not openly.
Also you said 'old' fams wouldnt play the waiting game. Explain Righelli's strategy this version then.
Its all nothing new. In the versions Conflict did well and/or won with their bloodring, none official pact, it was vinci people and nazd people complaining here complaining about their style.
When Vinci did well, Conflict (and bloods) people complained here about their style of playing
And now when non of these 'old' fams are up atm, they seem to gather here to complain about the present top fams.
I do agree with what Johnny wrote in one of his previous posts. Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version.
Noobster at 12:38:14 on 19/10:
I agree that the tactic I mentioned is not perfect and idd, you still have to deal with bloods. However, if you have adapted you have also 10 bloods yourself, and half the bloods of the fam who you attack won't do shit anyways since they wanna keep hugging. And besides, many strong fam have enough money to buy bg's at obay. And during the night you can get your lowranked members, and won't be shot probably, put their bg's on obay for easy money...
I think conflict and righelli (just to mention 2 fams), 2 fams I respect due to their names and the old days, need some upgrades and some new members in top. In rl you need sometimes a new director/manager to gain new views and regain some enthousiasm etc....
I agree that the tactic I mentioned is not perfect and idd, you still have to deal with bloods. However, if you have adapted you have also 10 bloods yourself, and half the bloods of the fam who you attack won't do shit anyways since they wanna keep hugging. And besides, many strong fam have enough money to buy bg's at obay. And during the night you can get your lowranked members, and won't be shot probably, put their bg's on obay for easy money...
I think conflict and righelli (just to mention 2 fams), 2 fams I respect due to their names and the old days, need some upgrades and some new members in top. In rl you need sometimes a new director/manager to gain new views and regain some enthousiasm etc....
So basically for new style you say each "old" fam should add at least 2-3 new bloods so they can compete with others? You just said new style = pussy style. There for adapting to new style means becoming pussy, blooding and waiting. I don't think "old" families function like that. Try imaging version played like this, where Conflict, Righelli, Lucchese, Coccada, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Krays, Nazdrovia, Vincitori would all blood within each other and wait for someone to hit them so others can jump in. Pretty pathetic right?
And I didn't mean to fight off these fams when you're up, I meant returning when most of them are waiting you to pop up just so they could have someone to shoot.
Noobster (12:38:14 - 19-10)
Johnny at 12:26:24 on 19/10:
It's really not problem for me to get 20-30 old core plays online in 3 am to shoot, more of that is not even needed, but tbh when we played active offline was so much stronger than online, that it would just be damn stupid to shoot at 3-4 am. We actually used sms thing in our own advantage to bring people online to kill em.
Also I think your 10-15 shooter tactic works only on paper. 1st even if lets say your 10-15 perfect shooters do have a perfect attack, you get problem of long blooded fam lists, cause someone of 10 alive bloods of fam you just raped will shoot them down, while they're retraining bgs.
In the end new style vs old style, there's no even discussion. I don't even think new style exists, I really do think most of fams in top are completely clueless, and that they got no idea how they got there. I hope time on top at least help some of them create own identity and own style, I hope some of them show that I am damn wrong when I say they all wanna live happily ever after together, but I really doubt that will happen.
And I asked you for your family even though it was irrelevant cuz I was curious to see which fam of so cold "old ones" you believe needs style changing.
Noobster at 12:10:19 on 19/10:
But if you could organise to get ppl online during the night in 2.7 or even before, why not anymore, while they are still your members? If they are loyal and threat them right, and not how many tops do, you will gain real loyalty and they will join. Your top is like 5-8 ppl? ;) So, then you need 5-10 more. You are from an old fam with probably players who are already in your fam from the start... Why can't you get them online? they are triggerhappy you say...
And nope, not gonna say which fam I am. Don't think it does add something to the discussion. And yes, around since 2.1 and been tops in several fams. Nope, not loyal to only 1, due to different circumstances. ;)
But if you could organise to get ppl online during the night in 2.7 or even before, why not anymore, while they are still your members? If they are loyal and threat them right, and not how many tops do, you will gain real loyalty and they will join. Your top is like 5-8 ppl? ;) So, then you need 5-10 more. You are from an old fam with probably players who are already in your fam from the start... Why can't you get them online? they are triggerhappy you say...
And nope, not gonna say which fam I am. Don't think it does add something to the discussion. And yes, around since 2.1 and been tops in several fams. Nope, not loyal to only 1, due to different circumstances. ;)
It's really not problem for me to get 20-30 old core plays online in 3 am to shoot, more of that is not even needed, but tbh when we played active offline was so much stronger than online, that it would just be damn stupid to shoot at 3-4 am. We actually used sms thing in our own advantage to bring people online to kill em.
Also I think your 10-15 shooter tactic works only on paper. 1st even if lets say your 10-15 perfect shooters do have a perfect attack, you get problem of long blooded fam lists, cause someone of 10 alive bloods of fam you just raped will shoot them down, while they're retraining bgs.
In the end new style vs old style, there's no even discussion. I don't even think new style exists, I really do think most of fams in top are completely clueless, and that they got no idea how they got there. I hope time on top at least help some of them create own identity and own style, I hope some of them show that I am damn wrong when I say they all wanna live happily ever after together, but I really doubt that will happen.
And I asked you for your family even though it was irrelevant cuz I was curious to see which fam of so cold "old ones" you believe needs style changing.
I agree that the tactic I mentioned is not perfect and idd, you still have to deal with bloods. However, if you have adapted you have also 10 bloods yourself, and half the bloods of the fam who you attack won't do shit anyways since they wanna keep hugging. And besides, many strong fam have enough money to buy bg's at obay. And during the night you can get your lowranked members, and won't be shot probably, put their bg's on obay for easy money...
I think conflict and righelli (just to mention 2 fams), 2 fams I respect due to their names and the old days, need some upgrades and some new members in top. In rl you need sometimes a new director/manager to gain new views and regain some enthousiasm etc....
Noobster (12:30:47 - 19-10)
lunatiko at 12:24:03 on 19/10:
ffs..ofc top fams have better accounts..what's the doubt on that? and yes i consider most of the 10 top fams atm huggers..like it or not !
and yes i tried it from the start..almost every version..and yes i shot at almost everyhour you want..or don't you agree conflict is one of the most shooting fams in the game..
i complain about huggers..and i will always..it's a noob style and a pussy style..i guess i can dislike it right?so why can't i say it..
and for some reason, that will change with the new changes..u won't have 100+ fams with the new version that's for sure!
and again read what i wrote!! I'm not talking about 1 target..i'm talking about shooting a top 10 fam!have you ever tried it succesfull?with 15 shooters?tell me when..causa saying it it's easy..doing it..i bet you never did it.
Noobster at 11:57:40 on 19/10:
LOL, exactly the respons I expected! How predictable! :P So you say only top 10 fams have objects and that huggers are stronger? Gaining the cash is not that hard, you know that. I think you have a huggerproblem, since you only complain about huggers, huggers and huggers... It's about 600k a target for dets, 20 targets, so like 12 million a target. If all 10 ppl search it will cost about 120 million, which is easy money for a strong fam. if you can't agree that your fam, who had roullie's in the past, didn't have 120 million, you must retire directly! :P
Not all 10 shooters have to shoot, remember? They only have to hire, so they can shoot successors! If you preshoot, then you have to shoot like 6 times in total before fam dies. if not, perhaps 10 max! :) So you say that the Don of sisfam presi was easy target? Lol, know your facts please! And secondly, destiny was easy target? Just learn some planning and keep tracing and tracking during the shooting. And if you are in a top 10 position yourself from the start, why not shooting all threats with the 5 bloods you have down as soon as they become stronger. Questions for you: Did you ever tried the above? Secondly, how many times did you shot in the morning/night?
lunatiko at 11:38:43 on 19/10:
ty for the lesson..but it's insane.
LOOOOOL who can agree on that?! are u nuts?
U won't get that type of money if your fam is not on top fams..huggers are! 10 trustable guys don't kill a fam..unless it's a fam like temp shot..
facts:huggers have better accounts.
huggers have money
u don't kill a hugger in one shot..so u would need at least 2 people for every target and sometimes isn't even enough..since u would be diening on f..even if u just pre shot..
and i said it already?!
your war basis is completely nonsense unless u are shooting a small fam!
keep it real.
don't dream !
Noobster at 11:25:37 on 19/10:
I agree that the current style is not my favourite either, but complainng about it doesn't change things! So better adapt, else I will be frustrated like you and many others. What it was, is not important anymore, just accept the world is changing. And if you don't like the new style, stop playing or act! Most tops of old fams complain indeed, since they all face the same problem. I love to see them back, since they can change the game, but as long as they don't change themselves....
About shooting a 50 brug fam, do I really need to tell you how to shoot them? Thought you were top.... Ok, simple and easy, the only thing you need is lots of cash (top fams have the objects, so the cash...) and like 10 shooters. You can look at different sites who are tops in fams (many fams change their top 3 positions quit often for boosting) and you know who are tops in big fams, even if they aren't in top 3 position. Just hire on the most logical successors and some extra, so about 20 tagets in total (you know which brugs won't be successor, due to amount of online time, position etc..). Shoot the don, shoot successor and after that, shoot the last in line.. IN 15 min you have the fam down! Then the hunting can start, since we all know that famless brugs are much eaasier to kill. Start shooting for the objects, so they loose their power. Keep track on all 50 brugs/highranks who suddenly become richer then god (they are in the testament)and shoot them, so the fam can't get up soon again. is it really that easy? YES IT IS!!
Finding 10 trustable shooters/dupes who will do this during the night/morning etc, won't be that hard if you are in one of the old/large fams. This is how temp gained their HQ....
I think you won't agree on it but that's why your fam perhaps is not on top anymore...:P
lunatiko at 10:30:10 on 19/10:
funny..
your lack of knowledge about this game is impressive..
Ofc this version is shit..ofc 100+ fams is plain stupid..ofc offline targets harder to kill is ridicolous..this game used to be a shooting game, and people used to shoot for objects, for spots, cause they don't like target fams etc..nowadays u don't shoot.
most of fams on top are indeed fams that didn't shoot to get there..and hugged till they can be there..and still there they don't shoot!
fams nowadays choose bloods to survive and not to shoot or cause they trust them..
yeah it's a newstyle..yeah maybe you like it..
we will see next version when it changes if you will like it..
and yes it's just my opinion..that most people agree on it! Most old fams motivate their rankers as much times they want..and i can be sure of that since i'm top of one of those.
You compared arcanine shooting..usually having one target..with having a complete 50 brugs to target that hugged all version and surely have better accounts..even if you shoot 3 to 1..u can't do it preshooting..and even preshooting is dangerous..u would be down to 1 to 3 in no time!but are u sure u know it?i doubt it!
and i'm curious about what fam are you in..will u dare to say it?
Noobster at 09:57:42 on 19/10:
Nope, I don't, neither to another hugging fam. But you sound frustrated and like you are part of an 'old familly' who couldn't adapt! Probably you think that all current fams who are still alive are huggers!:D Don't take it personally, it was just my evaluation about the haters.
lol at 09:28:36 on 19/10:
You must be in trafficante or some other hugger fam :'x
Noobster at 07:10:48 on 19/10:
For those who complain about version is over, reset, blabla: Stop crying! The aggressive fams are death because they could not addapt to new rankers, new gamestyle and are stuck to the 'old days'. Shooting offline targets is possible, but shooting 60k is just plain stupid! Reranking is still possible, since arcanine (i don't know the guy, so no opinion about him and his actions) has proven you can shoot a gf/fl with some shootingskills/strategy and lackeybrugs.
So those who complain about reset are those who only can motivate their members once (beginning of version), so they suck as a top anyways. Secondly, we see some fams back in top, like gambino, leviticus and temp (no opinion about them either, since I'm not in their fam) who have died several times but have the ability to recover.
And yes, version can be close by some fams, bu i think they are stocking bullets atm, so they can start shooting for a few days/weeks in a row!
Cheers:W
For those who complain about version is over, reset, blabla: Stop crying! The aggressive fams are death because they could not addapt to new rankers, new gamestyle and are stuck to the 'old days'. Shooting offline targets is possible, but shooting 60k is just plain stupid! Reranking is still possible, since arcanine (i don't know the guy, so no opinion about him and his actions) has proven you can shoot a gf/fl with some shootingskills/strategy and lackeybrugs.
So those who complain about reset are those who only can motivate their members once (beginning of version), so they suck as a top anyways. Secondly, we see some fams back in top, like gambino, leviticus and temp (no opinion about them either, since I'm not in their fam) who have died several times but have the ability to recover.
And yes, version can be close by some fams, bu i think they are stocking bullets atm, so they can start shooting for a few days/weeks in a row!
Cheers:W
You must be in trafficante or some other hugger fam :'x
Nope, I don't, neither to another hugging fam. But you sound frustrated and like you are part of an 'old familly' who couldn't adapt! Probably you think that all current fams who are still alive are huggers!:D Don't take it personally, it was just my evaluation about the haters.
funny..
your lack of knowledge about this game is impressive..
Ofc this version is shit..ofc 100+ fams is plain stupid..ofc offline targets harder to kill is ridicolous..this game used to be a shooting game, and people used to shoot for objects, for spots, cause they don't like target fams etc..nowadays u don't shoot.
most of fams on top are indeed fams that didn't shoot to get there..and hugged till they can be there..and still there they don't shoot!
fams nowadays choose bloods to survive and not to shoot or cause they trust them..
yeah it's a newstyle..yeah maybe you like it..
we will see next version when it changes if you will like it..
and yes it's just my opinion..that most people agree on it! Most old fams motivate their rankers as much times they want..and i can be sure of that since i'm top of one of those.
You compared arcanine shooting..usually having one target..with having a complete 50 brugs to target that hugged all version and surely have better accounts..even if you shoot 3 to 1..u can't do it preshooting..and even preshooting is dangerous..u would be down to 1 to 3 in no time!but are u sure u know it?i doubt it!
and i'm curious about what fam are you in..will u dare to say it?
I agree that the current style is not my favourite either, but complainng about it doesn't change things! So better adapt, else I will be frustrated like you and many others. What it was, is not important anymore, just accept the world is changing. And if you don't like the new style, stop playing or act! Most tops of old fams complain indeed, since they all face the same problem. I love to see them back, since they can change the game, but as long as they don't change themselves....
About shooting a 50 brug fam, do I really need to tell you how to shoot them? Thought you were top.... Ok, simple and easy, the only thing you need is lots of cash (top fams have the objects, so the cash...) and like 10 shooters. You can look at different sites who are tops in fams (many fams change their top 3 positions quit often for boosting) and you know who are tops in big fams, even if they aren't in top 3 position. Just hire on the most logical successors and some extra, so about 20 tagets in total (you know which brugs won't be successor, due to amount of online time, position etc..). Shoot the don, shoot successor and after that, shoot the last in line.. IN 15 min you have the fam down! Then the hunting can start, since we all know that famless brugs are much eaasier to kill. Start shooting for the objects, so they loose their power. Keep track on all 50 brugs/highranks who suddenly become richer then god (they are in the testament)and shoot them, so the fam can't get up soon again. is it really that easy? YES IT IS!!
Finding 10 trustable shooters/dupes who will do this during the night/morning etc, won't be that hard if you are in one of the old/large fams. This is how temp gained their HQ....
I think you won't agree on it but that's why your fam perhaps is not on top anymore...:P
LOOOOOL who can agree on that?! are u nuts?
U won't get that type of money if your fam is not on top fams..huggers are! 10 trustable guys don't kill a fam..unless it's a fam like temp shot..
facts:huggers have better accounts.
huggers have money
u don't kill a hugger in one shot..so u would need at least 2 people for every target and sometimes isn't even enough..since u would be diening on f..even if u just pre shot..
and i said it already?!
your war basis is completely nonsense unless u are shooting a small fam!
keep it real.
don't dream !
LOL, exactly the respons I expected! How predictable! :P So you say only top 10 fams have objects and that huggers are stronger? Gaining the cash is not that hard, you know that. I think you have a huggerproblem, since you only complain about huggers, huggers and huggers... It's about 600k a target for dets, 20 targets, so like 12 million a target. If all 10 ppl search it will cost about 120 million, which is easy money for a strong fam. if you can't agree that your fam, who had roullie's in the past, didn't have 120 million, you must retire directly! :P
Not all 10 shooters have to shoot, remember? They only have to hire, so they can shoot successors! If you preshoot, then you have to shoot like 6 times in total before fam dies. if not, perhaps 10 max! :) So you say that the Don of sisfam presi was easy target? Lol, know your facts please! And secondly, destiny was easy target? Just learn some planning and keep tracing and tracking during the shooting. And if you are in a top 10 position yourself from the start, why not shooting all threats with the 5 bloods you have down as soon as they become stronger. Questions for you: Did you ever tried the above? Secondly, how many times did you shot in the morning/night?
and yes i tried it from the start..almost every version..and yes i shot at almost everyhour you want..or don't you agree conflict is one of the most shooting fams in the game..
i complain about huggers..and i will always..it's a noob style and a pussy style..i guess i can dislike it right?so why can't i say it..
and for some reason, that will change with the new changes..u won't have 100+ fams with the new version that's for sure!
and again read what i wrote!! I'm not talking about 1 target..i'm talking about shooting a top 10 fam!have you ever tried it succesfull?with 15 shooters?tell me when..causa saying it it's easy..doing it..i bet you never did it.
You're allowed to say whatever you want, but for me it sounds (my personal opinion, which I allowed to say aswell!) a bit pathetic to complain a lot, but doing nothing yourself. Why didn't you rank up (if you have no like 50 famless brugs who will start tomorrow, I bet you can make a difference!)? You came once this version, not much, do you think? ;) And if you read carefully, you would see that i told you that you can shoot a fam down with 10 shooters, not killing all accounts! And if the fam is down, you can shoot famless brugs... blablabla...
And yes, I totally agree that Conflict is one of the shooting fams, but you ain't see them in tops. So, if your goal is shooting, shoot as you did in the past, but accept you die and will not last long. Or addapt and perhaps you win... But hey, you wanna shoot, just rank up and shoot, die and rank up and shoot...:P
Noobster at 12:10:19 on 19/10:
But if you could organise to get ppl online during the night in 2.7 or even before, why not anymore, while they are still your members? If they are loyal and threat them right, and not how many tops do, you will gain real loyalty and they will join. Your top is like 5-8 ppl? ;) So, then you need 5-10 more. You are from an old fam with probably players who are already in your fam from the start... Why can't you get them online? they are triggerhappy you say...
And nope, not gonna say which fam I am. Don't think it does add something to the discussion. And yes, around since 2.1 and been tops in several fams. Nope, not loyal to only 1, due to different circumstances. ;)
But if you could organise to get ppl online during the night in 2.7 or even before, why not anymore, while they are still your members? If they are loyal and threat them right, and not how many tops do, you will gain real loyalty and they will join. Your top is like 5-8 ppl? ;) So, then you need 5-10 more. You are from an old fam with probably players who are already in your fam from the start... Why can't you get them online? they are triggerhappy you say...
And nope, not gonna say which fam I am. Don't think it does add something to the discussion. And yes, around since 2.1 and been tops in several fams. Nope, not loyal to only 1, due to different circumstances. ;)
It's really not problem for me to get 20-30 old core plays online in 3 am to shoot, more of that is not even needed, but tbh when we played active offline was so much stronger than online, that it would just be damn stupid to shoot at 3-4 am. We actually used sms thing in our own advantage to bring people online to kill em.
Also I think your 10-15 shooter tactic works only on paper. 1st even if lets say your 10-15 perfect shooters do have a perfect attack, you get problem of long blooded fam lists, cause someone of 10 alive bloods of fam you just raped will shoot them down, while they're retraining bgs.
In the end new style vs old style, there's no even discussion. I don't even think new style exists, I really do think most of fams in top are completely clueless, and that they got no idea how they got there. I hope time on top at least help some of them create own identity and own style, I hope some of them show that I am damn wrong when I say they all wanna live happily ever after together, but I really doubt that will happen.
And I asked you for your family even though it was irrelevant cuz I was curious to see which fam of so cold "old ones" you believe needs style changing.
Noobster at 11:57:40 on 19/10:
LOL, exactly the respons I expected! How predictable! :P So you say only top 10 fams have objects and that huggers are stronger? Gaining the cash is not that hard, you know that. I think you have a huggerproblem, since you only complain about huggers, huggers and huggers... It's about 600k a target for dets, 20 targets, so like 12 million a target. If all 10 ppl search it will cost about 120 million, which is easy money for a strong fam. if you can't agree that your fam, who had roullie's in the past, didn't have 120 million, you must retire directly! :P
Not all 10 shooters have to shoot, remember? They only have to hire, so they can shoot successors! If you preshoot, then you have to shoot like 6 times in total before fam dies. if not, perhaps 10 max! :) So you say that the Don of sisfam presi was easy target? Lol, know your facts please! And secondly, destiny was easy target? Just learn some planning and keep tracing and tracking during the shooting. And if you are in a top 10 position yourself from the start, why not shooting all threats with the 5 bloods you have down as soon as they become stronger. Questions for you: Did you ever tried the above? Secondly, how many times did you shot in the morning/night?
lunatiko at 11:38:43 on 19/10:
ty for the lesson..but it's insane.
LOOOOOL who can agree on that?! are u nuts?
U won't get that type of money if your fam is not on top fams..huggers are! 10 trustable guys don't kill a fam..unless it's a fam like temp shot..
facts:huggers have better accounts.
huggers have money
u don't kill a hugger in one shot..so u would need at least 2 people for every target and sometimes isn't even enough..since u would be diening on f..even if u just pre shot..
and i said it already?!
your war basis is completely nonsense unless u are shooting a small fam!
keep it real.
don't dream !
Noobster at 11:25:37 on 19/10:
I agree that the current style is not my favourite either, but complainng about it doesn't change things! So better adapt, else I will be frustrated like you and many others. What it was, is not important anymore, just accept the world is changing. And if you don't like the new style, stop playing or act! Most tops of old fams complain indeed, since they all face the same problem. I love to see them back, since they can change the game, but as long as they don't change themselves....
About shooting a 50 brug fam, do I really need to tell you how to shoot them? Thought you were top.... Ok, simple and easy, the only thing you need is lots of cash (top fams have the objects, so the cash...) and like 10 shooters. You can look at different sites who are tops in fams (many fams change their top 3 positions quit often for boosting) and you know who are tops in big fams, even if they aren't in top 3 position. Just hire on the most logical successors and some extra, so about 20 tagets in total (you know which brugs won't be successor, due to amount of online time, position etc..). Shoot the don, shoot successor and after that, shoot the last in line.. IN 15 min you have the fam down! Then the hunting can start, since we all know that famless brugs are much eaasier to kill. Start shooting for the objects, so they loose their power. Keep track on all 50 brugs/highranks who suddenly become richer then god (they are in the testament)and shoot them, so the fam can't get up soon again. is it really that easy? YES IT IS!!
Finding 10 trustable shooters/dupes who will do this during the night/morning etc, won't be that hard if you are in one of the old/large fams. This is how temp gained their HQ....
I think you won't agree on it but that's why your fam perhaps is not on top anymore...:P
lunatiko at 10:30:10 on 19/10:
funny..
your lack of knowledge about this game is impressive..
Ofc this version is shit..ofc 100+ fams is plain stupid..ofc offline targets harder to kill is ridicolous..this game used to be a shooting game, and people used to shoot for objects, for spots, cause they don't like target fams etc..nowadays u don't shoot.
most of fams on top are indeed fams that didn't shoot to get there..and hugged till they can be there..and still there they don't shoot!
fams nowadays choose bloods to survive and not to shoot or cause they trust them..
yeah it's a newstyle..yeah maybe you like it..
we will see next version when it changes if you will like it..
and yes it's just my opinion..that most people agree on it! Most old fams motivate their rankers as much times they want..and i can be sure of that since i'm top of one of those.
You compared arcanine shooting..usually having one target..with having a complete 50 brugs to target that hugged all version and surely have better accounts..even if you shoot 3 to 1..u can't do it preshooting..and even preshooting is dangerous..u would be down to 1 to 3 in no time!but are u sure u know it?i doubt it!
and i'm curious about what fam are you in..will u dare to say it?
Noobster at 09:57:42 on 19/10:
Nope, I don't, neither to another hugging fam. But you sound frustrated and like you are part of an 'old familly' who couldn't adapt! Probably you think that all current fams who are still alive are huggers!:D Don't take it personally, it was just my evaluation about the haters.
lol at 09:28:36 on 19/10:
You must be in trafficante or some other hugger fam :'x
Noobster at 07:10:48 on 19/10:
For those who complain about version is over, reset, blabla: Stop crying! The aggressive fams are death because they could not addapt to new rankers, new gamestyle and are stuck to the 'old days'. Shooting offline targets is possible, but shooting 60k is just plain stupid! Reranking is still possible, since arcanine (i don't know the guy, so no opinion about him and his actions) has proven you can shoot a gf/fl with some shootingskills/strategy and lackeybrugs.
So those who complain about reset are those who only can motivate their members once (beginning of version), so they suck as a top anyways. Secondly, we see some fams back in top, like gambino, leviticus and temp (no opinion about them either, since I'm not in their fam) who have died several times but have the ability to recover.
And yes, version can be close by some fams, bu i think they are stocking bullets atm, so they can start shooting for a few days/weeks in a row!
Cheers:W
For those who complain about version is over, reset, blabla: Stop crying! The aggressive fams are death because they could not addapt to new rankers, new gamestyle and are stuck to the 'old days'. Shooting offline targets is possible, but shooting 60k is just plain stupid! Reranking is still possible, since arcanine (i don't know the guy, so no opinion about him and his actions) has proven you can shoot a gf/fl with some shootingskills/strategy and lackeybrugs.
So those who complain about reset are those who only can motivate their members once (beginning of version), so they suck as a top anyways. Secondly, we see some fams back in top, like gambino, leviticus and temp (no opinion about them either, since I'm not in their fam) who have died several times but have the ability to recover.
And yes, version can be close by some fams, bu i think they are stocking bullets atm, so they can start shooting for a few days/weeks in a row!
Cheers:W
You must be in trafficante or some other hugger fam :'x
Nope, I don't, neither to another hugging fam. But you sound frustrated and like you are part of an 'old familly' who couldn't adapt! Probably you think that all current fams who are still alive are huggers!:D Don't take it personally, it was just my evaluation about the haters.
funny..
your lack of knowledge about this game is impressive..
Ofc this version is shit..ofc 100+ fams is plain stupid..ofc offline targets harder to kill is ridicolous..this game used to be a shooting game, and people used to shoot for objects, for spots, cause they don't like target fams etc..nowadays u don't shoot.
most of fams on top are indeed fams that didn't shoot to get there..and hugged till they can be there..and still there they don't shoot!
fams nowadays choose bloods to survive and not to shoot or cause they trust them..
yeah it's a newstyle..yeah maybe you like it..
we will see next version when it changes if you will like it..
and yes it's just my opinion..that most people agree on it! Most old fams motivate their rankers as much times they want..and i can be sure of that since i'm top of one of those.
You compared arcanine shooting..usually having one target..with having a complete 50 brugs to target that hugged all version and surely have better accounts..even if you shoot 3 to 1..u can't do it preshooting..and even preshooting is dangerous..u would be down to 1 to 3 in no time!but are u sure u know it?i doubt it!
and i'm curious about what fam are you in..will u dare to say it?
I agree that the current style is not my favourite either, but complainng about it doesn't change things! So better adapt, else I will be frustrated like you and many others. What it was, is not important anymore, just accept the world is changing. And if you don't like the new style, stop playing or act! Most tops of old fams complain indeed, since they all face the same problem. I love to see them back, since they can change the game, but as long as they don't change themselves....
About shooting a 50 brug fam, do I really need to tell you how to shoot them? Thought you were top.... Ok, simple and easy, the only thing you need is lots of cash (top fams have the objects, so the cash...) and like 10 shooters. You can look at different sites who are tops in fams (many fams change their top 3 positions quit often for boosting) and you know who are tops in big fams, even if they aren't in top 3 position. Just hire on the most logical successors and some extra, so about 20 tagets in total (you know which brugs won't be successor, due to amount of online time, position etc..). Shoot the don, shoot successor and after that, shoot the last in line.. IN 15 min you have the fam down! Then the hunting can start, since we all know that famless brugs are much eaasier to kill. Start shooting for the objects, so they loose their power. Keep track on all 50 brugs/highranks who suddenly become richer then god (they are in the testament)and shoot them, so the fam can't get up soon again. is it really that easy? YES IT IS!!
Finding 10 trustable shooters/dupes who will do this during the night/morning etc, won't be that hard if you are in one of the old/large fams. This is how temp gained their HQ....
I think you won't agree on it but that's why your fam perhaps is not on top anymore...:P
LOOOOOL who can agree on that?! are u nuts?
U won't get that type of money if your fam is not on top fams..huggers are! 10 trustable guys don't kill a fam..unless it's a fam like temp shot..
facts:huggers have better accounts.
huggers have money
u don't kill a hugger in one shot..so u would need at least 2 people for every target and sometimes isn't even enough..since u would be diening on f..even if u just pre shot..
and i said it already?!
your war basis is completely nonsense unless u are shooting a small fam!
keep it real.
don't dream !
LOL, exactly the respons I expected! How predictable! :P So you say only top 10 fams have objects and that huggers are stronger? Gaining the cash is not that hard, you know that. I think you have a huggerproblem, since you only complain about huggers, huggers and huggers... It's about 600k a target for dets, 20 targets, so like 12 million a target. If all 10 ppl search it will cost about 120 million, which is easy money for a strong fam. if you can't agree that your fam, who had roullie's in the past, didn't have 120 million, you must retire directly! :P
Not all 10 shooters have to shoot, remember? They only have to hire, so they can shoot successors! If you preshoot, then you have to shoot like 6 times in total before fam dies. if not, perhaps 10 max! :) So you say that the Don of sisfam presi was easy target? Lol, know your facts please! And secondly, destiny was easy target? Just learn some planning and keep tracing and tracking during the shooting. And if you are in a top 10 position yourself from the start, why not shooting all threats with the 5 bloods you have down as soon as they become stronger. Questions for you: Did you ever tried the above? Secondly, how many times did you shot in the morning/night?
and yes i tried it from the start..almost every version..and yes i shot at almost everyhour you want..or don't you agree conflict is one of the most shooting fams in the game..
i complain about huggers..and i will always..it's a noob style and a pussy style..i guess i can dislike it right?so why can't i say it..
and for some reason, that will change with the new changes..u won't have 100+ fams with the new version that's for sure!
and again read what i wrote!! I'm not talking about 1 target..i'm talking about shooting a top 10 fam!have you ever tried it succesfull?with 15 shooters?tell me when..causa saying it it's easy..doing it..i bet you never did it.
Noobster (12:10:19 - 19-10)
Johnny at 11:57:32 on 19/10:
Well you got some points right, but again not completely.
It's quite easy finding 8-10 fams (in normal version) or 20-30 fams (in version like this) to shoot with you. That's not a new style or old style, outnumbering massively always did happen. Imo you could still do now 3 vs 1 if you plan it good. Problem is families with absolutely no idea what are they doing and why are they up. Those fams are the problem. Then take a look at this massive blooding which happens. When you see bloods shooting bloods it becomes clear to you those bloods are just made to try to be safe. And again bloods vs bloods is imo one of best things that could happen in this version, it shows that families still have their own agenda. Now you get bunch of fams who are scared to shoot each other cuz they don't know what will happen after. Passive families live long, families with no identity live long cuz they are easy to adapt to WHATEVER happens in game. These families got on top by pure luck (except maybe 3-4 max) by blooding and by doing almost absolutely nothing. That could be your "new style". Tbh I think it's in interest of every family in game to not adapt to it, and instead to try to make their own style. Tell me how many families saw bloods dying and did shit? That is your "new style". And that blood vs blood, so we stay out shit, that's really stupidest excuse ever.
Coming online in late night hours was something common practice for 2.3 after that version I saw it happen less and less. Last time I remember wars like that is either 2.5 or 2.7. There's nothing wrong in coming online in 2-3 am and starting war, but I think only few families can organize it today. And with all the KA changes lately, you pray your target is online, not offline. And when you outnumber your target by so much in the end you don't even care are they online or offline.
Lackey dupes I don't even count in as players, and (even though I don't know myself) I heard that bullet lackey isn't really that effective in buying bullets. So my guess is 100% lackey accounts are still joke, as spot ranked accounts were in 3.0. Problem, which many of people on irc told me, is people just don't find reason to come online anymore, cuz nothing happens, friends and people they know go away by every new day cause they're bored with what's happening.
Now this is game and players problem, not lackeys or whatever. Families and players in past would sit and wait for reset, chitchatting talking about top families. How can you even talk now about top families cause most of them didn't do absolutely anything to remember.
And I would like to ask you same thing as lunatiko did, would be lovely if you would share us your family origin with us.
Noobster at 11:12:11 on 19/10:
Thnx for your reply Johnny. I think you just mentioned yourself that the old style was to shoot with 2 or 3 fams and nowadays it's 20-30. So you can say as an old familly we stick to the old style, but that's not gonna work. So you have to form alliance of perhaps 20 famillies who shoot another alliance of 20 famillies, I don't know. Why is ervyone always shooting in the evening, about 20:00 OT? Why not during the night of early morning in the weekend. last version we saw (dunno which name exactly, but from south America) who shot at 4 o'clock and another fam shot sunday monring 8:00 o'clock and killed a bigger fam easily. And don't say it's not possible to arrange, because we both know half omerta is dupes, a quarter is students and the rest ranks also during work! :) Same for shooting offline targets, indeed it sucks that they are way too strong, but you have to deal with it so do more preshooting during the night. Not many have sms alert, and besides, half time it doesn't work. Last, but not least, you say that the number of ppl rankers is decreasing under 1k. This is partly because of lackeydupes, they are not mentioned, while most fams exist by them... But when shooting is needed, they will be online suddenly. So the statistics about online ppl are not a very good indication of ppl who can shoot or amount of actual players.
Thnx for your reply Johnny. I think you just mentioned yourself that the old style was to shoot with 2 or 3 fams and nowadays it's 20-30. So you can say as an old familly we stick to the old style, but that's not gonna work. So you have to form alliance of perhaps 20 famillies who shoot another alliance of 20 famillies, I don't know. Why is ervyone always shooting in the evening, about 20:00 OT? Why not during the night of early morning in the weekend. last version we saw (dunno which name exactly, but from south America) who shot at 4 o'clock and another fam shot sunday monring 8:00 o'clock and killed a bigger fam easily. And don't say it's not possible to arrange, because we both know half omerta is dupes, a quarter is students and the rest ranks also during work! :) Same for shooting offline targets, indeed it sucks that they are way too strong, but you have to deal with it so do more preshooting during the night. Not many have sms alert, and besides, half time it doesn't work. Last, but not least, you say that the number of ppl rankers is decreasing under 1k. This is partly because of lackeydupes, they are not mentioned, while most fams exist by them... But when shooting is needed, they will be online suddenly. So the statistics about online ppl are not a very good indication of ppl who can shoot or amount of actual players.
Well you got some points right, but again not completely.
It's quite easy finding 8-10 fams (in normal version) or 20-30 fams (in version like this) to shoot with you. That's not a new style or old style, outnumbering massively always did happen. Imo you could still do now 3 vs 1 if you plan it good. Problem is families with absolutely no idea what are they doing and why are they up. Those fams are the problem. Then take a look at this massive blooding which happens. When you see bloods shooting bloods it becomes clear to you those bloods are just made to try to be safe. And again bloods vs bloods is imo one of best things that could happen in this version, it shows that families still have their own agenda. Now you get bunch of fams who are scared to shoot each other cuz they don't know what will happen after. Passive families live long, families with no identity live long cuz they are easy to adapt to WHATEVER happens in game. These families got on top by pure luck (except maybe 3-4 max) by blooding and by doing almost absolutely nothing. That could be your "new style". Tbh I think it's in interest of every family in game to not adapt to it, and instead to try to make their own style. Tell me how many families saw bloods dying and did shit? That is your "new style". And that blood vs blood, so we stay out shit, that's really stupidest excuse ever.
Coming online in late night hours was something common practice for 2.3 after that version I saw it happen less and less. Last time I remember wars like that is either 2.5 or 2.7. There's nothing wrong in coming online in 2-3 am and starting war, but I think only few families can organize it today. And with all the KA changes lately, you pray your target is online, not offline. And when you outnumber your target by so much in the end you don't even care are they online or offline.
Lackey dupes I don't even count in as players, and (even though I don't know myself) I heard that bullet lackey isn't really that effective in buying bullets. So my guess is 100% lackey accounts are still joke, as spot ranked accounts were in 3.0. Problem, which many of people on irc told me, is people just don't find reason to come online anymore, cuz nothing happens, friends and people they know go away by every new day cause they're bored with what's happening.
Now this is game and players problem, not lackeys or whatever. Families and players in past would sit and wait for reset, chitchatting talking about top families. How can you even talk now about top families cause most of them didn't do absolutely anything to remember.
And I would like to ask you same thing as lunatiko did, would be lovely if you would share us your family origin with us.
I agree Johnny that it ain't my style either and I hate it to. But if that is they way the game it's played nowadays, we have to adapt! Bulletlackey works fine, as long as you have money. About 8k a day if you have the money, which many accounts don;t have because they don't do heists, oc and moc with the lackeyaccount. So indeed, many brugs are stuck with like 50k bullets...
But if you could organise to get ppl online during the night in 2.7 or even before, why not anymore, while they are still your members? If they are loyal and threat them right, and not how many tops do, you will gain real loyalty and they will join. Your top is like 5-8 ppl? ;) So, then you need 5-10 more. You are from an old fam with probably players who are already in your fam from the start... Why can't you get them online? they are triggerhappy you say...
And nope, not gonna say which fam I am. Don't think it does add something to the discussion. And yes, around since 2.1 and been tops in several fams. Nope, not loyal to only 1, due to different circumstances. ;)
Anonymous (12:08:53 - 19-10)
Anonymous at 00:06:11 on 19/10:
okey breaking off the topic
where is arcanine ?
okey breaking off the topic
where is arcanine ?
arcanine why is donatello still alive?????
As i once said, every of current top fams would have enjoyed to throw 30-50 brugs into an early game wars, like Vaffa, Conflict or Vinci could do.
The problem is they did not have that chance back then. They may have it now, but it is only because they educated new members, which they would not be able to do if they shot with their 3 brugs in early war, and, most probably, died.
You said (probably without knowing you did) the essence of whats wrong with the present situation.
"Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version"
I think the discussion is about the means not the end. To make it till the end can be an objective indd, to be the last one standing too.
Its more the road the present top fams chose to get there which is different then what people desire. Hence its more a style discussion then a result discussion. Its the same difference as discusions in the past. If reset is announced now, x-zone and traffi (random examples) can be seen as winners, were they pwners no, did they pwn no, but won? yeah maybe.
Personally i prefer to join fams who like to shoot as much as they can, and with that have as much fun as they can before they die. While others might join fams like traffi, for which you are more likely to stay alive and rank as muchs as (your lackeys) can. Some find joy in ranking, others in shooting. Thats also the only explenation i can think up of why these mentioned fams have more then 10 members.