Oh please shut up, you faker! You dont think people know that your OB nick is a fake? :))))

its no mystery he is posting under that name.. What happened to donatello pussy?

yup. they might not be number 1 but with the wars they were involved in, i would say they are among the top fam for this version. jz my 2 cents cheers mate

mystery solved. noobster = arcanine. get a life broseph

Really interesting, two families with a well known name behind and still wanting to make a diference and having fun with the game as it is.

Really its interesting you are telling how to shoot a 50 brug fam to us.It sounds really easy when you tell, doesnt it?
Probobly our top 10 accounts had more kills than some leading fams' top 10 accounts or should be close.

just check how many fams we had fight with this version and you will see why we didnt rerank as Vincitori.It wasnt because we couldnt but as johnny told we found it pointless since 20+ fams were against us in 1-2 weeks.

And about adapting game with taking more bloods, i can assure you nearly all top 10 fams asked us bloodship at start, we could accept like many others did.We didnt cause we dont want to play that way and prolly why we got shot.Dunno if you played at the beginning of version but just check what would picture be if we blooded top 10 fams too.

You talk like its very easy, but when you became bigger fam which leaded versions before, you put game's fun before dominating version.I also think if current fams ends 1-2 versions like this they will think same.

Fair enough Johnny and Captain. People love the shooting. People do respect families that shoot alot.

And, according to the history since 2.1, people also do tend to target families that shoot alot.

So, in order to shoot a lot, you have to be strong from the start.

Every team, and every family has it's own purposes. You can say Genk is not interesting in the CL finals. But you can't blame Genk for being there, does not really matter how they got there. You cannot disrespect Greece for winning Euro 2004, despite not playing attractive.
I don't know how Vinci or other families started or if they had such hard times, as, for example, Samagono, Merovingians, Mangano, Andalusia, even Memento and others were having after 3.0.

I played myself in 2.1 and 2.2 and i know how easy it was for the family to acquire new members back then. Now, however, every new member is priceless. And the only way you can increase your playerbase is staying up.

Asfu (Memento), Merovingians, Mangano, Samagono - they have been showing their balls since 2.1-2.2. You simply cannot call them huggers. They lost their playerbase due to non game reasons (choosing IRL over the game, players leaving to other fams where they got more IRL friends and so on), but they never stopped searcing for members and educating them. And i am not familiar with Complexio roots, they look like a completely new family - well do you think this new family could grow (and possibly keep their playerbase for the future) if they died in one of the early wars by trying to make a difference?

I have seen lots of small families taking heroic actions, and dying in the beginning or middle of the game. For some object or some cause not even related to them. They have been called heroes in Fingon. And...forgotten few months later. Who now remembers such gloriously pointless families like Homeless, Qerrano, Kriti and so on?..They were involved in heroic (according to their size) actions and died gloriously. But nobody remebers and cares.

I had too many beers today i guess, so it is hard for me to explain, but what i want to say is - you cannot blame families who chose investing in the future, while others were beating the crap out of each other. If vinci or kurosawa have the same irl or at least skype friends, who will never turn to another family, even if their family is down for half of the version...Well maybe Complexio or others do not have that kind of connection yet, and they are still getting to know each other inside .

Well, i feel i'm repeating myself a lot. You know what i mean. You are smart people and you can immagine how challenging developing an old fallen/new family may be.

Haha alright, looking at alive families that would be Gambino and Leviticus!

Fuck vaffa.. Look at #leviticus

u miss a point. what would uefa do if the teams at semi final say we dont wanna play the semi finals we dont give a damn about who wins we just wanna stay at semi finals till the judgement day?

Looking at active familychannels that would be Vaffanculo

Anyone knows what's the more active family or alliance at this point?

And I don't mean number of accounts or position in worth.

This is quite interesting comparison. Not far from the truth, but you missed point imo.
I ask you how many of you would sit home or in pub, alone of with friends and follow Semi finals between BATE vs Plzen and Genk vs APOEL? :p
Now talking about what UEFA cares about how many tickets will be sold for a final between BATE and APOEL? What will ratings be? And in the end most important imo is that we all know how long will 1 CL season last, and we all know why we watch CL.
So by CL standards, that we do we know about Omerta now? How long will this "peace" last? Will there even be "matches" worth watching?
Imo Omerta is atm in Offside :p

And Omerta is game which is really hard to determine winner, and somehow I don't consider being #1 on stats winning. It's way more important to get recognition by other players then to get on #1 spot in the end.

And it doesn't matter is core group large or small. It's stupid to judge what someone does on it's size, I judge families only on it's deeds.

Of course, if you believe that only large core groups are worth respect, i won't be able to change your opinion.

Once again, we are talking about different cards each family has in hand when starting.
As i once said, every of current top fams would have enjoyed to throw 30-50 brugs into an early game wars, like Vaffa, Conflict or Vinci could do.

The problem is they did not have that chance back then. They may have it now, but it is only because they educated new members, which they would not be able to do if they shot with their 3 brugs in early war, and, most probably, died.

It looks like some kind of Champions League, where Real, Inter, Barca, Milan, ManU, Bayern and other grands eliminate each other in group stages, then somehow lose against weaker opponents in 1/16, and only non-top teams like Genk, BATE or Olympiakos stay in competition.

Competition is still on, however all top team coaches and supporters say "screw this game, those teams play non-interesting football, we do not care who will win, bla bla reset this league and lets start over".

Now would those words be fair towards those low level teams, who are still in the competition, since some of them, knowing they are not as powerful, chose defensive style of play and managed to score at their only oportunity, some of them had a bit of luck, and some put REALLY REALLY hard effort to be where they are now - and this is their achievement of the history?

Would it be fair towards them?

Should there only be Omerta with Conflict, Vinci, Vaffa, Krays, Marazzino, Liberta, Gambino, Righelli, Lucchese and Nazdrovia, and when those fams are down version is considered boring/closed?

_o_ +1

I prefer also changes, but as long as this version is open (and that is a fact) no reset should be announced. :) Besides, why don't you give answers to my questions? ;)

You said (probably without knowing you did) the essence of whats wrong with the present situation.

"Because the purpose of proper family management should be to get as far into the version"

I think the discussion is about the means not the end. To make it till the end can be an objective indd, to be the last one standing too.

Its more the road the present top fams chose to get there which is different then what people desire. Hence its more a style discussion then a result discussion. Its the same difference as discusions in the past. If reset is announced now, x-zone and traffi (random examples) can be seen as winners, were they pwners no, did they pwn no, but won? yeah maybe.

Personally i prefer to join fams who like to shoot as much as they can, and with that have as much fun as they can before they die. While others might join fams like traffi, for which you are more likely to stay alive and rank as muchs as (your lackeys) can. Some find joy in ranking, others in shooting. Thats also the only explenation i can think up of why these mentioned fams have more then 10 members.

That's why most of us are not playing..that's why most people is not playing..for those same reasons!and no, believe me i'm not playing .com atm..
and that's why also,.they will change most things!
cause people complainted..and that's why admins even asked..if players wanted the changes right now. ofc changing things in the midle of a version is even worst but at least reset it fast..since new changes are coming !