100% correct. It would be considered discrimination, not racism.

I applaud you buriaL for your mastery of the English language. You are much better versed then many of your other countrymen. While I give you accolades for your linguistic abilities, I have to condemn you on your rush to judgment and personal attacks against others who you deem as racist.

In my country, being labeled a racist is very hurtful and it is not a term thrown around lightly. If you unjustly label me a racist, are you now being racist against me? I briefly shared an MOC channel with you recently when I made a comment about typing like a Turk. The comment was meant to embarrass the MOC organizer. He assumed I was someone else (who was a Delivery Boy with a Turkish profile flag) even though I had already provided him with my ingame name and he put it in the topic. Once I made that comment you immediately called me a racist without allowing me the opportunity to explain why I made the comment I made. When rkellylovespee made his comment, you immediately labeled him a racist and a retard. Were his comments really so mean to give him such a label without allowing him a chance to explain himself?

To understand why why players have a negative image of Turkish players I think you first need to look at the majority of Turkish players themselves. This dates all the way back to the large influx of Turkish players into the game (2.4 I think?).

There were a LARGE number of players (and still a smaller but still larger number) who refused to communicate on .com in English. And not only did they refuse to attempt, they were rude when you didnt go out of your way to communicate with them in their language! Right from the start they entered .com as if it were .tr part 2. To this day they establish Turkish only families and communicate only in Turkish with family members, RIP forums, family pages, etc. with no attempt what so ever at assimilating into the .com rules of English only.

Also, I dont remember the exact events that sparked the "smash racism" campaign but I do remember that it was something pathetic. They did themselves a huge disservice by waging such an inappropriate campaign. At that point in time the Turkish player-base effectively got themselves labeled as unjustified whiners.

And lets not also forget that during that same time frame Turkish were known for suiciding for no reason at all. If someone called them something they didnt like, if someone called them something they did like, if they didnt want to play anymore, if they wanted to play in another family. I was top in a family during that time period. If you sent invites to 80% of Turkish players that asked for them you were setting yourself up to either be held hostage with threats of suiciding or eventually guaranteeing yourself that you would eventually have to pay out compensation money to other families because of a suicide. I even remember one incident where a Turkish player suicided on one family because he didnt like the one our member talked to him during an OC. In a totally unrelated incident, one of our Turkish members sucided on a member from that other family for an equally stupid reason. We all just laughed and called it a wash, no compensation money for anyone.

This is long winded but, as you suggest Redspeert doesnt know history, Im not so sure you understand the history of the Turkish player in this game since the big rush many versions ago. While you may be correct, many statements made by players these days may be unwarranted I believe you should hear them out before labeling them racist. Many non-Turkish players in this game are still very bitter towards the majority of Turkish players who came into this game so arrogantly in the past and towards the players who even to this day insist on playing in only Turkish circles.

You can label me a racist, a retard, a dumb American or whatever else you wish. Truth be told, I have many Turkish friends in this game and I think ill of no one in this game. I make fun of everyone, myself included, equally.

Morale of the story is, dont believe for one second some people in this game dislike Turkish players simply because they are Turkish. Some people in this game dislike Turkish players because of the reputation the majority made for themselves when they entered this game many versions ago and the reputation some keep alive to this day.

Just my $0.02

ReBorN

black race :') really my friend from trolland you know a lot indeed

lol I believe you know crap about history. Turks are a race, but again you problably got no idea about how it developed since centuries from Asia and I really doubt you have the cabability to understand it even I explained the information here so I'll pass on from this. What you are saying can be taken as jews arent a race too? So why do we call it 'racism' when Germans killed millions of them?

My point was if a person does not know English language, you should not include a nation making all members of that nation look fouled. Discrimination is a better term as Rix stated, but it is the same shit to me as racism, which something should be avoided between the humans which belong to all the same race in the end. But again you clearly lack the ability to understand my point as you keep repeating the same things trying to prove something.

'Following your idea, you would be a proper racist if you said somthing foul to me, as I'm Norwegian. Y u no like Norwegians??'

Did I say you are being racist because someone told something to me personally? You clearly lack some IQ to understand those convos that way. I said racism when the guy tried to state all Turks cant type or doesnt know proper English.

This really was my final response to the guy called redspeert as he is clearly too ignorant to have a proper discussion and a waste of effort. good day to everyone.

Blacks or Asians also aren't races. We're all from the same kingdom/family/order/class/species, the only differences we have is either from the outside (e.g., born in a climate with a lot of sun which turns us black-skinned), or cultural differences.

But yeah, looking at it from an etymological (not sure if that's the proper term in English) point of view, the technical correct term is "discrimination".

*But they will throw the racism card whenever they get the chanse to do so. QQ*

I do belive I know more history than you, my good man from turkey. And I know from history when a entire race (Black people, asian people etc ) have been treated badly its racism, but again, turks aren't a own race.

Following your idea, you would be a proper racist if you said somthing foul to me, as I'm Norwegian. Y u no like Norwegians??

And the fine gentleman who started this argument by saying "crap I wrote like a turk" or somthing just pointed out that some of your countrymen can't write English to well. Is that racism? Or is it their own fault that never learned the language?

Mang its getting sucky boring now

Brrr! It was late, okay. I had done some editing before I posted and I didn't spot it (too arrogant to check my own writing sort of stuff). But you're right about it, and I know I should have used "as". Irony it happens right when I'm nazi-ing someone about their English.
I'm not sure whether "Than" is a 'subjunction' though. Or if anything is a subjunction. I can't ever learning such a term in school. Subjunction is even underlined in red (which means it's misspelled!). The same goes for "learnt" by the way, but I suppose that was just some weak sarcasm from your side.

And we love you 2.

I am sorry, but freedom of speech has a limit. It really does, it's not really freedom. It's just a right to say what you want until a certain point. And I'm sure that line has been crossed.

Get it in your head, all of you. If I would say 'fucking stupid Turk', the Turk in particular is not fucking stupid *because* he is a Turk, but because he is fucking stupid. And happens to be Turkish.

You'd still be a stupid motherfucker, even if you were from Canada. But then you'd be a fucking stupid Canadian.

Gonna delete pretty much every post from the last 24 hours, whining about why YOUR post was deleted, or trying to re-post it will result in a ban.

Pretty straight forward, shouldn't be too hard to understand for ANY of you stupid American, Canadian, Dutch, Norwegian, Portuguese and Turkish motherfuckers.

Trafficante reset fun ???

Will take..few hours/days with all the preshooting those offline accounts.
Now they can say "We had a war!" And no one will remember them.

OMG OMG OMG OMG :o

BREAKING NEWS

Trafficante found their guns :')

Lots of fams asking around about war today, should be fun if it pans out. IF.

somebody , some families or who the fuck has the power , plz finish this damn version..ppffft

my dick is larger bigger and better than yours... my country also... my race to ... omg pleaz
the thing is: in internet everyone mocs everyone and i would laught in one nice joke about Portugal... you take it to seriosly

ps: We Portuguese are the best... we have conquer all the world and stuff :'| lol

ps2: War is coming before the world end's (21/12/2012)?

and even now i screw up my grammer, but i shall not apologize for my drunkedness!

this all scares me oh so much, as a native english speaker, the pressure is just too great...what if i dont choose the right grammatical conjugation? what price omertabeyond price shall i pay?! Nevertheless, english nazis can kiss it! But, sometimes turks can be humorous in their english, and thats not a bad thing! How can I complain when I know not a single proper sentence of turk! And I love Turkey, and the Turks, you guys hold the torch over there, be proud! (but umm, make your fam Cm's more coherent for us single language guys!

What is this... news.spellingbee-yond.com?

And you lack the ability of seeing the "soul" of his comment, which was not mocking people with lower English skills. Maybe read the debate once (more).
I love the arrogancy here, riihgt.

Fail :')

Joking about the lack of English skill of other people only works if you don't mess up your very first sentence.

The "than" is just wrong. "Than" is a subjunction and does not fit into that sentence.

I assume you wanted to say the Dutch suck as much at English as the Turks do.


Like in your English is as bad as Icelandic football.

I hope you learnt something, My next tutorial will be about than, and when to use it.

See you then.