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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Seth (17:06:33 - 31-10)
Anonymous at 14:29:57 on 31/10:
I have only seen her beein a-killed once. But I know she account share. She also plays with pretty much anyone who let her be donna or at least top. Jumps around and changes family all the time. But hey, everyone with their own play style.
Seth at 13:54:06 on 31/10:
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I've been watching her ing for the last 3 versions and never seen her ing akilled. Why are you lying? Please talk smarter with me. o/ Regards.
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I've been watching her ing for the last 3 versions and never seen her ing akilled. Why are you lying? Please talk smarter with me. o/ Regards.
I have only seen her beein a-killed once. But I know she account share. She also plays with pretty much anyone who let her be donna or at least top. Jumps around and changes family all the time. But hey, everyone with their own play style.
How can you know she account share? It's true she's been a killed once in the past. She doesn't also play with pretty much anyone who let her be donna because she is one of the top rankers in this game. IMO, she deserves top position rather than bullshit people who is a friend of some top. She doesn't change family all the time. But hey baby, I've been akilled 4-5 times in the past. Now I don't get akilled ^^ it's nothing to be ashamed of. And hey, everyone has their own play style ;)
Anonymous (14:29:57 - 31-10)
Seth at 13:54:06 on 31/10:
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I've been watching her ing for the last 3 versions and never seen her ing akilled. Why are you lying? Please talk smarter with me. o/ Regards.
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I've been watching her ing for the last 3 versions and never seen her ing akilled. Why are you lying? Please talk smarter with me. o/ Regards.
I have only seen her beein a-killed once. But I know she account share. She also plays with pretty much anyone who let her be donna or at least top. Jumps around and changes family all the time. But hey, everyone with their own play style.
Seth (13:54:06 - 31-10)
Anonymous at 13:03:34 on 31/10:
dude seriously? :') check last 2 or 3 versions for your trusted source, believe me she was akilled then for cheating xD
Seth at 12:35:10 on 31/10:
Or maybe you are trying to manipulate people through untrusted sources and gossip?
I wouldn't believe your anonymous writing sorry ^^
You need evidences :)
Anonymous at 11:02:13 on 31/10:
Lmao so true. just as how many Akills she has so far lol
if you believe she is honorable then ur a dumbass xD
Anonymous at 03:51:08 on 31/10:
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
if you believe she is honorable then ur a dumbass xD
Or maybe you are trying to manipulate people through untrusted sources and gossip?
I wouldn't believe your anonymous writing sorry ^^
You need evidences :)
I've been watching her ing for the last 3 versions and never seen her ing akilled. Why are you lying? Please talk smarter with me. o/ Regards.
Anonymous (13:03:34 - 31-10)
Seth at 12:35:10 on 31/10:
Or maybe you are trying to manipulate people through untrusted sources and gossip?
I wouldn't believe your anonymous writing sorry ^^
You need evidences :)
Anonymous at 11:02:13 on 31/10:
Lmao so true. just as how many Akills she has so far lol
if you believe she is honorable then ur a dumbass xD
Anonymous at 03:51:08 on 31/10:
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
if you believe she is honorable then ur a dumbass xD
Or maybe you are trying to manipulate people through untrusted sources and gossip?
I wouldn't believe your anonymous writing sorry ^^
You need evidences :)
Anonymous (12:59:31 - 31-10)
This game its totaly dead
In about 4-5 months ago there was a lot more players but bow if I ask anyone if he/she will play next they dont even want to hear about it.
Please admins have to be changed and game to be back like before
In about 4-5 months ago there was a lot more players but bow if I ask anyone if he/she will play next they dont even want to hear about it.
Please admins have to be changed and game to be back like before
Seth (12:35:10 - 31-10)
Anonymous at 11:02:13 on 31/10:
Lmao so true. just as how many Akills she has so far lol
if you believe she is honorable then ur a dumbass xD
Anonymous at 03:51:08 on 31/10:
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
if you believe she is honorable then ur a dumbass xD
Or maybe you are trying to manipulate people through untrusted sources and gossip?
I wouldn't believe your anonymous writing sorry ^^
You need evidences :)
Anonymous (11:02:13 - 31-10)
Anonymous at 03:51:08 on 31/10:
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
if you believe she is honorable then ur a dumbass xD
Anonymous (10:15:05 - 31-10)
Anonymous at 09:32:57 on 31/10:
Lol, she’s the biggest account sharer in the game, if you don’t know that you clearly don’t know shit, or the real her, all she cares about is that rp star and will sell her own fam to get it, or try to :’)
Seth at 06:38:30 on 31/10:
Says the crying player from 81% :')
Anonymous at 03:51:08 on 31/10:
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Says the crying player from 81% :')
Lol, she’s the biggest account sharer in the game, if you don’t know that you clearly don’t know shit, or the real her, all she cares about is that rp star and will sell her own fam to get it, or try to :’)
Anonymous (09:32:57 - 31-10)
Seth at 06:38:30 on 31/10:
Says the crying player from 81% :')
Anonymous at 03:51:08 on 31/10:
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Says the crying player from 81% :')
Lol, she’s the biggest account sharer in the game, if you don’t know that you clearly don’t know shit, or the real her, all she cares about is that rp star and will sell her own fam to get it, or try to :’)
Seth (06:38:30 - 31-10)
Anonymous at 03:51:08 on 31/10:
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Says the crying player from 81% :')
Real Ocarina (06:37:45 - 31-10)
Anonymous at 21:29:51 on 30/10:
well you prove my point^^ 200% BS
Real Ocarina at 17:14:29 on 30/10:
No names given, but check Red Light District man, she works there and she wears a red hat sometimes. She always puts the same profile picture every 2 versions. I'm sure u will figure out who it is eventually xD
Anonymous at 16:26:45 on 30/10:
Which women anal fuck, please give names I'm coming after them
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Which women anal fuck, please give names I'm coming after them
No names given, but check Red Light District man, she works there and she wears a red hat sometimes. She always puts the same profile picture every 2 versions. I'm sure u will figure out who it is eventually xD
well you prove my point^^ 200% BS
it's not 200% man, be precise. It's close to 77% BS . Be realistic sometimes. ^^
Anonymous (03:51:08 - 31-10)
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Honor and Soulfly in the same sentence? Good one mate, joke of the century..
Anonymous (02:23:24 - 31-10)
Excerpt from website of another game. Havent played it before but ran across the article while doing a search of other games.
Omerta could learn ALOT from some of these words..... doubt it will happen though. their arrogance and ego will always stand in the way for future progress of this game :x
xxxx focus has and always will be on delivering complete and quality game experiences to our fanbase.... this means that we will not compromise game quality for speed to market or for any other reasons within out control....
we feel strongly that we owe it to our community and loyal customers to uphold the standards that both you and we expect and to focus on delivering the best possible game that we can for you all to play...... quality is simply not something we are willing to compromise on to make a quick buck....
Omerta has failed miserably in all aspects imo (and problem is, their focus is only on making a buck rather than putting out a quality game). Started with the lackeys when they thought they would control cheating by creating a "legal" script. And then it all went downhill from there..... still as many if not more cheaters than ever before, just in a very different way. Game activity has gone down tremendously, irc community has become a ghost town compared to what it was in the Real omerta days and the owners, devs and admin just dont care enough to try and do something about it.
Omerta could learn ALOT from some of these words..... doubt it will happen though. their arrogance and ego will always stand in the way for future progress of this game :x
xxxx focus has and always will be on delivering complete and quality game experiences to our fanbase.... this means that we will not compromise game quality for speed to market or for any other reasons within out control....
we feel strongly that we owe it to our community and loyal customers to uphold the standards that both you and we expect and to focus on delivering the best possible game that we can for you all to play...... quality is simply not something we are willing to compromise on to make a quick buck....
Omerta has failed miserably in all aspects imo (and problem is, their focus is only on making a buck rather than putting out a quality game). Started with the lackeys when they thought they would control cheating by creating a "legal" script. And then it all went downhill from there..... still as many if not more cheaters than ever before, just in a very different way. Game activity has gone down tremendously, irc community has become a ghost town compared to what it was in the Real omerta days and the owners, devs and admin just dont care enough to try and do something about it.
Anonymous (21:29:51 - 30-10)
Real Ocarina at 17:14:29 on 30/10:
No names given, but check Red Light District man, she works there and she wears a red hat sometimes. She always puts the same profile picture every 2 versions. I'm sure u will figure out who it is eventually xD
Anonymous at 16:26:45 on 30/10:
Which women anal fuck, please give names I'm coming after them
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Which women anal fuck, please give names I'm coming after them
No names given, but check Red Light District man, she works there and she wears a red hat sometimes. She always puts the same profile picture every 2 versions. I'm sure u will figure out who it is eventually xD
well you prove my point^^ 200% BS
Anonymous (20:55:59 - 30-10)
What dead nut sack pact going up next round?
Do all pact members have their Holiday Greeting Cards ready to send out to everyone? :')
Do all pact members have their Holiday Greeting Cards ready to send out to everyone? :')
Real Ocarina (17:14:29 - 30-10)
Anonymous at 16:26:45 on 30/10:
Which women anal fuck, please give names I'm coming after them
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Which women anal fuck, please give names I'm coming after them
No names given, but check Red Light District man, she works there and she wears a red hat sometimes. She always puts the same profile picture every 2 versions. I'm sure u will figure out who it is eventually xD
Anonymous (16:56:55 - 30-10)
Anonymous at 16:26:45 on 30/10:
Which women anal fuck, please give names I'm coming after them
Real Ocarina at 16:24:18 on 30/10:
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Anonymous at 16:12:14 on 30/10:
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Anonymous at 14:56:58 on 30/10:
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
Anonymous at 13:46:43 on 30/10:
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
Guys time to reset omb so it doesnt go as last round.
sits dead, probly gone in the new year, why pay to run a site where all talk are 200 % BS
If the ingame is all about sucking dicks and getting fucked in the ass what do u expect the ppl to talk about???
Honour??
Hey I do talk about honor in this game, but only with 9-12 people. And one of them is soulfly. What kind of people u were taking about? like 81% of the players who sux dicks and anal fuck? I'm talking with the 19% who knows honor xD So it's a question of free will again.
Which women anal fuck, please give names I'm coming after them
Cove
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I've been watching her ing for the last 3 versions and never seen her ing akilled. Why are you lying? Please talk smarter with me. o/ Regards.
I have only seen her beein a-killed once. But I know she account share. She also plays with pretty much anyone who let her be donna or at least top. Jumps around and changes family all the time. But hey, everyone with their own play style.
How can you know she account share? It's true she's been a killed once in the past. She doesn't also play with pretty much anyone who let her be donna because she is one of the top rankers in this game. IMO, she deserves top position rather than bullshit people who is a friend of some top. She doesn't change family all the time. But hey baby, I've been akilled 4-5 times in the past. Now I don't get akilled ^^ it's nothing to be ashamed of. And hey, everyone has their own play style ;)
asskiss much? x'D She dont deserve shit but akilled each and every version lol and any fam that does let her be top is fkg stupid. once a cheater, always a cheater :D