You might as well be talking to a brick wall here Merton. If you think that posting on here is going to change the minds of people who have been cheating for years, then I'll consider you insane. Cheaters will keep cheating regardless. It's unfortunate they do though. Guess it's become a sort of a "If you can't beat them, might as well join them" thing. But I agree with you. I'm against cheating, but if you think it will ever change, it won't

When i read this 1st sentence, i thought you'd launch a massive Ddos attack orso :'(

If the crew doesnt take any action tomorrow for the two fagets that are by now 60h infont of the rest, I'll have to take matters into my own hands.

I'll set up a bounty for Bigdaddy and Fakelover. If you to take part in this, either pm me irc where I can be found in various channels under Redspeert or Red`AFK, or ingmessage me, my ingname is Redspeert (Idont login that much, so will take awhile before i read).

If you agree to do God's work (work that the crew should be doing) for me (since im too lazy to rank up an kill anyone myself) leave me a ingmessage on my Redspeert account or talk to me in #Valhalla.

I'm not going to go over 4-5 dc's per kill since im not made out of money, but we can negotiate.

You're welcome :)

Ouch, seems like you took my response as an insult. But thanks for being our moral compass.

really sad but true

I have big respect for all the people that don't cheat.

Maybe I am naive , really couldn't care about it. I have never had the need to script or abuse, maybe that makes me one of the sad few. Who want's to cheat on an internet "free" game ? Never understood or will. Chasing a hall of fame star has never been my goal in life. Yeah! I fail in the internetz world \o/

Though you are the true winner Fenrir you must win in real life also , go you!

This coming from the guy who, according to reliable sources, invented bug abusing.

You can safely assume that every fam in HOF is/has been cheating big time by sharing/bugs/script/funding etc...

Thats probably the most useless answer i have ever seen. Except MurderIncs answers, i never bother to read those(K). So you have been in any other fam since the dawn of time?

Anyways given the enormous amount of time i have spent on this game during the years, i know for a fact that most top rankers are indeed scripting. And im saying "most" in respect to the exceptionally few freaks who manage to keep up with them(max 2-3 at first page). I could probably call out dozens of players within this community who is still actively playing and scripting. Fact is scripting is more or less part of the community by now. If you dont have first page rankers you lose your chance at good spots and objects, which can effectively ruin your version. Heard its different this version objectwise, but i reckon accountstrength remains the same and will still remain an incentive to script.

Its naive to think people isnt cheating in a certain degree in this game. The question is really how much are they cheating.

Are you calling me a scripter? :(

Aint gonna quote as It's getting to long. Wel I'll tell you who i haven't joined.

Gambino, Siberia, Anarchy , Persico , any Turkish family :)

He must have been in a fam where I was top ranker <3

Lol what fams do you join

I never said there wasn't, but I generally get to know most of the highest rankers in the families I join and can vouch that they aint scripting.

Receiving akills is no measurement for cheating are you really that naive? There is a rankscript website still in the air, which is used widely for example to do bust outs, without that people getting akilled, a lot of people still share their account with others without getting caught.

The fact that players are winning it from the admins by not getting caught doesn't mean there is no massive cheating going on in this game.

Every family I have been in since I came back to play (why?) have not cheated, they have had one or 2 members at most akilled, and those tended to be a random player looking for a family. Generally the majority ranked and played fair. I could list them , but what would that achieve? I play for smaller fams and wont join the bigger blood pacting fams.

As you said it, "big fams".
Looking at last round, there were some non-cheating families but unfortunately those didn't get a proper memberbase to fight the cheaters....

Please name a family that is not cheating so i can join them. Not cheating i mean no bugs/scripts/teamviewer. Sadly all the big fams probably cheat, or maybe you know one that doesn't?