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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Anonymous (15:13:04 - 04-12)
reveal at 10:26:03 on 04/12:
reveal at 10:22:24 on 04/12:
u can not keep ur self secret ; anasinin amina bukkale yaptgimin battali veled. I bet u never won a vers. Your style rank rank rank die, once again rank rank rank die ahaha moronzino style. You can not do anything without krays, dont forget it. Cuz krays was ur mind. But krays left u then u lost ur mind IRGAT. We saw what did u do without krays , always die moronzino :)
Anonymous at 02:40:08 on 04/12:
now you ended up on top of a version for the first time and you are talking like you are a big shot? Keep sucking up to liberta we will see if they can save you next vers :) Orospu Cocugu :w
reveal at 20:20:33 on 03/12:
come ur real face mate .) why do u afraid to show urself ? pentaforwin lol u re realy empty man.
pentaforwin at 17:54:27 on 03/12:
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
reveal at 17:23:53 on 03/12:
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
come ur real face mate .) why do u afraid to show urself ? pentaforwin lol u re realy empty man.
now you ended up on top of a version for the first time and you are talking like you are a big shot? Keep sucking up to liberta we will see if they can save you next vers :) Orospu Cocugu :w
honestly, i'd better choose to die, instead of winning the version with ur pact (20families).
Anonymous (13:30:53 - 04-12)
Reset :x
reveal at 10:22:24 on 04/12:
u can not keep ur self secret ; anasinin amina bukkale yaptgimin battali veled. I bet u never won a vers. Your style rank rank rank die, once again rank rank rank die ahaha moronzino style. You can not do anything without krays, dont forget it. Cuz krays was ur mind. But krays left u then u lost ur mind IRGAT. We saw what did u do without krays , always die moronzino :)
Anonymous at 02:40:08 on 04/12:
now you ended up on top of a version for the first time and you are talking like you are a big shot? Keep sucking up to liberta we will see if they can save you next vers :) Orospu Cocugu :w
reveal at 20:20:33 on 03/12:
come ur real face mate .) why do u afraid to show urself ? pentaforwin lol u re realy empty man.
pentaforwin at 17:54:27 on 03/12:
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
reveal at 17:23:53 on 03/12:
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
come ur real face mate .) why do u afraid to show urself ? pentaforwin lol u re realy empty man.
now you ended up on top of a version for the first time and you are talking like you are a big shot? Keep sucking up to liberta we will see if they can save you next vers :) Orospu Cocugu :w
Anonymous at 02:40:08 on 04/12:
now you ended up on top of a version for the first time and you are talking like you are a big shot? Keep sucking up to liberta we will see if they can save you next vers :) Orospu Cocugu :w
reveal at 20:20:33 on 03/12:
come ur real face mate .) why do u afraid to show urself ? pentaforwin lol u re realy empty man.
pentaforwin at 17:54:27 on 03/12:
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
reveal at 17:23:53 on 03/12:
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
come ur real face mate .) why do u afraid to show urself ? pentaforwin lol u re realy empty man.
now you ended up on top of a version for the first time and you are talking like you are a big shot? Keep sucking up to liberta we will see if they can save you next vers :) Orospu Cocugu :w
shell (08:14:44 - 04-12)
Reset the game so that we can rank up, shoot, die and have fun
and lamers can form bigger gayer alliances, longer bloods lists.
just do it
and lamers can form bigger gayer alliances, longer bloods lists.
just do it
Anonymous (02:40:08 - 04-12)
reveal at 20:20:33 on 03/12:
come ur real face mate .) why do u afraid to show urself ? pentaforwin lol u re realy empty man.
pentaforwin at 17:54:27 on 03/12:
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
reveal at 17:23:53 on 03/12:
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
come ur real face mate .) why do u afraid to show urself ? pentaforwin lol u re realy empty man.
now you ended up on top of a version for the first time and you are talking like you are a big shot? Keep sucking up to liberta we will see if they can save you next vers :) Orospu Cocugu :w
antiturk (20:52:58 - 03-12)
Anonymous at 20:24:19 on 03/12:
fredi's mom wants hot turkish guys -,-
fredi's mom wants hot turkish guys -,-
how can u go so low -.-
Anonymous (20:24:19 - 03-12)
fredi's mom wants hot turkish guys -,-
pentaforwin at 17:54:27 on 03/12:
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
reveal at 17:23:53 on 03/12:
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
come ur real face mate .) why do u afraid to show urself ? pentaforwin lol u re realy empty man.
Anonymous (18:53:53 - 03-12)
Anonymous at 17:51:26 on 03/12:
i see just 3 fams
because pentagram +++
obli +++
catania
sbanks at 15:02:24 on 03/12:
ye.. no words for it. is there a single family up atm who aint connected to them? or to eachother?
Anonymous at 08:37:34 on 03/12:
11 only? Pentagram is blooded to all 17
Anonymous at 08:20:54 on 03/12:
Liberta got up
Bloods
Oblivions - Anafarta - Homeless - Montella - Faffie
Pentagram - Cascio - Karadeniz - Gelibolu - Aventur
Catania
From the 17 fams alive, they're blooded with 11!
Liberta, go away and stay away, because this is nuts, yo!
Liberta got up
Bloods
Oblivions - Anafarta - Homeless - Montella - Faffie
Pentagram - Cascio - Karadeniz - Gelibolu - Aventur
Catania
From the 17 fams alive, they're blooded with 11!
Liberta, go away and stay away, because this is nuts, yo!
11 only? Pentagram is blooded to all 17
ye.. no words for it. is there a single family up atm who aint connected to them? or to eachother?
i see just 3 fams
because pentagram +++
obli +++
catania
Why even act stupid about it?
Jeez, you guys..
pentaforwin (17:54:27 - 03-12)
reveal at 17:23:53 on 03/12:
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
Anonymous (17:51:26 - 03-12)
sbanks at 15:02:24 on 03/12:
ye.. no words for it. is there a single family up atm who aint connected to them? or to eachother?
Anonymous at 08:37:34 on 03/12:
11 only? Pentagram is blooded to all 17
Anonymous at 08:20:54 on 03/12:
Liberta got up
Bloods
Oblivions - Anafarta - Homeless - Montella - Faffie
Pentagram - Cascio - Karadeniz - Gelibolu - Aventur
Catania
From the 17 fams alive, they're blooded with 11!
Liberta, go away and stay away, because this is nuts, yo!
Liberta got up
Bloods
Oblivions - Anafarta - Homeless - Montella - Faffie
Pentagram - Cascio - Karadeniz - Gelibolu - Aventur
Catania
From the 17 fams alive, they're blooded with 11!
Liberta, go away and stay away, because this is nuts, yo!
11 only? Pentagram is blooded to all 17
ye.. no words for it. is there a single family up atm who aint connected to them? or to eachother?
i see just 3 fams
because pentagram +++
obli +++
catania
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
Timelord|retired unregistered at 17:03:02 on 03/12:
Oops, I meant did Liberta/Messina pull the strings for Pentagram.
Timelord|retired unregistered at 17:02:09 on 03/12:
Though, I agree with the general assessment. Why do people always use Krays to point out their argument of how pathetic Pentagram is. I mean I can name 3-4 wars. So please use your own family for that.
In short they won this version. Did Pentagram/Messina pull the strings for them.
Yes, I believe so.
Does it change the plain fact they won this version?
Nope. No matter how much you twist it, that fact remains.
Congratulations to Pentagram.
On a seperate note.
Hi Flowzz. <3
Slap slow that old unicorn shagger from me.
pentaforwin at 16:55:05 on 03/12:
revael or whatever , nowits ur moment of glory which u didnt earn even and let be honest now , penta was shit fam for half of versy , backed from few wars, let some bloods die , after first wars u recruited people from those fams and u grew a lil bit . then u shooted in few wars where odds where 10:1, blood half of omerta, made some fags alliance and again in the end u shooted some smalls fams in so call gangbangs and u act like u had some real impact on game which u didnt have... or better show me in which moment pentacunts made something more than gangbang ? ( I can count krays wars as argument for you but still krays where in war allready and they were pretty weak . so in the end u didnt shoot ANY fam who was strong in that point , ofc I dont mean situation like 10:1) every n00b can shoot like that. Just pls show me examples what u did this versy pls . Many people would like to see , its not about that I'm hater here but I cant accept fact that u guys thinks about yourselfs like winners ( guees only u think so ) .
Penta u were master of gangbangs and staying in shadow ( nobody cared about you since u are well know as not so smart people ) of this versy.
reveal at 16:12:56 on 03/12:
dont cry :(
Anonymous at 15:03:35 on 03/12:
Won't happen. Penta wants to live next version. And who do you think, pulled the strings for Pentanaabs? Noobpiero?
Liberta were the puppeteers or spin doctors. Pentagram alone could not run a brothel if they had the last girls on earth, not to mention a version.
Anonymous at 12:22:39 on 03/12:
Half winner? Hahaha your fam was not here for months! Then you blood almost all fams again, and say you are half winner. Liberta has amount the stupidest tops ing, as you can say you are "half" winner of a version.
Ps: Penta should just remove you again from the game now. Then call yourself a "half" winner! How would that feel then you donkie? Keep buying dcs, and end up dead :)
pikachuuu at 08:47:32 on 03/12:
hahah just swearing :) plz play game badboy yeah we half winner but you real loser bohem pohahah
Anonymous at 06:36:23 on 03/12:
ahahah
who are you bitch
liberta shoot obli and anafarta finally established family
maybe not winner but senin gibi dol israfida degil ;)
Anonymous at 01:04:49 on 03/12:
yeah liberta is the winner in biggest orospu cocugu category... They come up when the version is over when no one left to shoot them :) Pussies
Anonymous at 21:49:10 on 02/12:
liberta real winner
liberta real winner
yeah liberta is the winner in biggest orospu cocugu category... They come up when the version is over when no one left to shoot them :) Pussies
ahahah
who are you bitch
liberta shoot obli and anafarta finally established family
maybe not winner but senin gibi dol israfida degil ;)
Half winner? Hahaha your fam was not here for months! Then you blood almost all fams again, and say you are half winner. Liberta has amount the stupidest tops ing, as you can say you are "half" winner of a version.
Ps: Penta should just remove you again from the game now. Then call yourself a "half" winner! How would that feel then you donkie? Keep buying dcs, and end up dead :)
Won't happen. Penta wants to live next version. And who do you think, pulled the strings for Pentanaabs? Noobpiero?
Liberta were the puppeteers or spin doctors. Pentagram alone could not run a brothel if they had the last girls on earth, not to mention a version.
revael or whatever , nowits ur moment of glory which u didnt earn even and let be honest now , penta was shit fam for half of versy , backed from few wars, let some bloods die , after first wars u recruited people from those fams and u grew a lil bit . then u shooted in few wars where odds where 10:1, blood half of omerta, made some fags alliance and again in the end u shooted some smalls fams in so call gangbangs and u act like u had some real impact on game which u didnt have... or better show me in which moment pentacunts made something more than gangbang ? ( I can count krays wars as argument for you but still krays where in war allready and they were pretty weak . so in the end u didnt shoot ANY fam who was strong in that point , ofc I dont mean situation like 10:1) every n00b can shoot like that. Just pls show me examples what u did this versy pls . Many people would like to see , its not about that I'm hater here but I cant accept fact that u guys thinks about yourselfs like winners ( guees only u think so ) .
Penta u were master of gangbangs and staying in shadow ( nobody cared about you since u are well know as not so smart people ) of this versy.
Though, I agree with the general assessment. Why do people always use Krays to point out their argument of how pathetic Pentagram is. I mean I can name 3-4 wars. So please use your own family for that.
In short they won this version. Did Pentagram/Messina pull the strings for them.
Yes, I believe so.
Does it change the plain fact they won this version?
Nope. No matter how much you twist it, that fact remains.
Congratulations to Pentagram.
On a seperate note.
Hi Flowzz. <3
Slap slow that old unicorn shagger from me.
Oops, I meant did Liberta/Messina pull the strings for Pentagram.
I decided not to comment today :( but there u go pulling me back in ,
will do mate haha <3 cya on irc o/
moronturkuz (17:03:37 - 03-12)
ahahah look thats stats hall of shame turks leaders :D ahaha
Timelord|retired unregistered (17:03:02 - 03-12)
Timelord|retired unregistered at 17:02:09 on 03/12:
Though, I agree with the general assessment. Why do people always use Krays to point out their argument of how pathetic Pentagram is. I mean I can name 3-4 wars. So please use your own family for that.
In short they won this version. Did Pentagram/Messina pull the strings for them.
Yes, I believe so.
Does it change the plain fact they won this version?
Nope. No matter how much you twist it, that fact remains.
Congratulations to Pentagram.
On a seperate note.
Hi Flowzz. <3
Slap slow that old unicorn shagger from me.
pentaforwin at 16:55:05 on 03/12:
revael or whatever , nowits ur moment of glory which u didnt earn even and let be honest now , penta was shit fam for half of versy , backed from few wars, let some bloods die , after first wars u recruited people from those fams and u grew a lil bit . then u shooted in few wars where odds where 10:1, blood half of omerta, made some fags alliance and again in the end u shooted some smalls fams in so call gangbangs and u act like u had some real impact on game which u didnt have... or better show me in which moment pentacunts made something more than gangbang ? ( I can count krays wars as argument for you but still krays where in war allready and they were pretty weak . so in the end u didnt shoot ANY fam who was strong in that point , ofc I dont mean situation like 10:1) every n00b can shoot like that. Just pls show me examples what u did this versy pls . Many people would like to see , its not about that I'm hater here but I cant accept fact that u guys thinks about yourselfs like winners ( guees only u think so ) .
Penta u were master of gangbangs and staying in shadow ( nobody cared about you since u are well know as not so smart people ) of this versy.
reveal at 16:12:56 on 03/12:
dont cry :(
Anonymous at 15:03:35 on 03/12:
Won't happen. Penta wants to live next version. And who do you think, pulled the strings for Pentanaabs? Noobpiero?
Liberta were the puppeteers or spin doctors. Pentagram alone could not run a brothel if they had the last girls on earth, not to mention a version.
Anonymous at 12:22:39 on 03/12:
Half winner? Hahaha your fam was not here for months! Then you blood almost all fams again, and say you are half winner. Liberta has amount the stupidest tops ing, as you can say you are "half" winner of a version.
Ps: Penta should just remove you again from the game now. Then call yourself a "half" winner! How would that feel then you donkie? Keep buying dcs, and end up dead :)
pikachuuu at 08:47:32 on 03/12:
hahah just swearing :) plz play game badboy yeah we half winner but you real loser bohem pohahah
Anonymous at 06:36:23 on 03/12:
ahahah
who are you bitch
liberta shoot obli and anafarta finally established family
maybe not winner but senin gibi dol israfida degil ;)
Anonymous at 01:04:49 on 03/12:
yeah liberta is the winner in biggest orospu cocugu category... They come up when the version is over when no one left to shoot them :) Pussies
Anonymous at 21:49:10 on 02/12:
liberta real winner
liberta real winner
yeah liberta is the winner in biggest orospu cocugu category... They come up when the version is over when no one left to shoot them :) Pussies
ahahah
who are you bitch
liberta shoot obli and anafarta finally established family
maybe not winner but senin gibi dol israfida degil ;)
Half winner? Hahaha your fam was not here for months! Then you blood almost all fams again, and say you are half winner. Liberta has amount the stupidest tops ing, as you can say you are "half" winner of a version.
Ps: Penta should just remove you again from the game now. Then call yourself a "half" winner! How would that feel then you donkie? Keep buying dcs, and end up dead :)
Won't happen. Penta wants to live next version. And who do you think, pulled the strings for Pentanaabs? Noobpiero?
Liberta were the puppeteers or spin doctors. Pentagram alone could not run a brothel if they had the last girls on earth, not to mention a version.
revael or whatever , nowits ur moment of glory which u didnt earn even and let be honest now , penta was shit fam for half of versy , backed from few wars, let some bloods die , after first wars u recruited people from those fams and u grew a lil bit . then u shooted in few wars where odds where 10:1, blood half of omerta, made some fags alliance and again in the end u shooted some smalls fams in so call gangbangs and u act like u had some real impact on game which u didnt have... or better show me in which moment pentacunts made something more than gangbang ? ( I can count krays wars as argument for you but still krays where in war allready and they were pretty weak . so in the end u didnt shoot ANY fam who was strong in that point , ofc I dont mean situation like 10:1) every n00b can shoot like that. Just pls show me examples what u did this versy pls . Many people would like to see , its not about that I'm hater here but I cant accept fact that u guys thinks about yourselfs like winners ( guees only u think so ) .
Penta u were master of gangbangs and staying in shadow ( nobody cared about you since u are well know as not so smart people ) of this versy.
Though, I agree with the general assessment. Why do people always use Krays to point out their argument of how pathetic Pentagram is. I mean I can name 3-4 wars. So please use your own family for that.
In short they won this version. Did Pentagram/Messina pull the strings for them.
Yes, I believe so.
Does it change the plain fact they won this version?
Nope. No matter how much you twist it, that fact remains.
Congratulations to Pentagram.
On a seperate note.
Hi Flowzz. <3
Slap slow that old unicorn shagger from me.
Oops, I meant did Liberta/Messina pull the strings for Pentagram.
Timelord|retired unregistered (17:02:09 - 03-12)
pentaforwin at 16:55:05 on 03/12:
revael or whatever , nowits ur moment of glory which u didnt earn even and let be honest now , penta was shit fam for half of versy , backed from few wars, let some bloods die , after first wars u recruited people from those fams and u grew a lil bit . then u shooted in few wars where odds where 10:1, blood half of omerta, made some fags alliance and again in the end u shooted some smalls fams in so call gangbangs and u act like u had some real impact on game which u didnt have... or better show me in which moment pentacunts made something more than gangbang ? ( I can count krays wars as argument for you but still krays where in war allready and they were pretty weak . so in the end u didnt shoot ANY fam who was strong in that point , ofc I dont mean situation like 10:1) every n00b can shoot like that. Just pls show me examples what u did this versy pls . Many people would like to see , its not about that I'm hater here but I cant accept fact that u guys thinks about yourselfs like winners ( guees only u think so ) .
Penta u were master of gangbangs and staying in shadow ( nobody cared about you since u are well know as not so smart people ) of this versy.
reveal at 16:12:56 on 03/12:
dont cry :(
Anonymous at 15:03:35 on 03/12:
Won't happen. Penta wants to live next version. And who do you think, pulled the strings for Pentanaabs? Noobpiero?
Liberta were the puppeteers or spin doctors. Pentagram alone could not run a brothel if they had the last girls on earth, not to mention a version.
Anonymous at 12:22:39 on 03/12:
Half winner? Hahaha your fam was not here for months! Then you blood almost all fams again, and say you are half winner. Liberta has amount the stupidest tops ing, as you can say you are "half" winner of a version.
Ps: Penta should just remove you again from the game now. Then call yourself a "half" winner! How would that feel then you donkie? Keep buying dcs, and end up dead :)
pikachuuu at 08:47:32 on 03/12:
hahah just swearing :) plz play game badboy yeah we half winner but you real loser bohem pohahah
Anonymous at 06:36:23 on 03/12:
ahahah
who are you bitch
liberta shoot obli and anafarta finally established family
maybe not winner but senin gibi dol israfida degil ;)
Anonymous at 01:04:49 on 03/12:
yeah liberta is the winner in biggest orospu cocugu category... They come up when the version is over when no one left to shoot them :) Pussies
Anonymous at 21:49:10 on 02/12:
liberta real winner
liberta real winner
yeah liberta is the winner in biggest orospu cocugu category... They come up when the version is over when no one left to shoot them :) Pussies
ahahah
who are you bitch
liberta shoot obli and anafarta finally established family
maybe not winner but senin gibi dol israfida degil ;)
Half winner? Hahaha your fam was not here for months! Then you blood almost all fams again, and say you are half winner. Liberta has amount the stupidest tops ing, as you can say you are "half" winner of a version.
Ps: Penta should just remove you again from the game now. Then call yourself a "half" winner! How would that feel then you donkie? Keep buying dcs, and end up dead :)
Won't happen. Penta wants to live next version. And who do you think, pulled the strings for Pentanaabs? Noobpiero?
Liberta were the puppeteers or spin doctors. Pentagram alone could not run a brothel if they had the last girls on earth, not to mention a version.
revael or whatever , nowits ur moment of glory which u didnt earn even and let be honest now , penta was shit fam for half of versy , backed from few wars, let some bloods die , after first wars u recruited people from those fams and u grew a lil bit . then u shooted in few wars where odds where 10:1, blood half of omerta, made some fags alliance and again in the end u shooted some smalls fams in so call gangbangs and u act like u had some real impact on game which u didnt have... or better show me in which moment pentacunts made something more than gangbang ? ( I can count krays wars as argument for you but still krays where in war allready and they were pretty weak . so in the end u didnt shoot ANY fam who was strong in that point , ofc I dont mean situation like 10:1) every n00b can shoot like that. Just pls show me examples what u did this versy pls . Many people would like to see , its not about that I'm hater here but I cant accept fact that u guys thinks about yourselfs like winners ( guees only u think so ) .
Penta u were master of gangbangs and staying in shadow ( nobody cared about you since u are well know as not so smart people ) of this versy.
Though, I agree with the general assessment. Why do people always use Krays to point out their argument of how pathetic Pentagram is. I mean I can name 3-4 wars. So please use your own family for that.
In short they won this version. Did Pentagram/Messina pull the strings for them.
Yes, I believe so.
Does it change the plain fact they won this version?
Nope. No matter how much you twist it, that fact remains.
Congratulations to Pentagram.
On a seperate note.
Hi Flowzz. <3
Slap slow that old unicorn shagger from me.
Why ppl cry here as anony or fake nick ? Please show ur faces , maybe u can get a gift from us to stop crying :(
cool :") my question still have same value like I would ask it with my real name , dont it ? so better answer instead of switching attention on something else :)
come ur real face mate .) why do u afraid to show urself ? pentaforwin lol u re realy empty man.
now you ended up on top of a version for the first time and you are talking like you are a big shot? Keep sucking up to liberta we will see if they can save you next vers :) Orospu Cocugu :w
honestly, i'd better choose to die, instead of winning the version with ur pact (20families).
moronzino :D lol
once die always die ^^