OB News - General Comments & Major Rumors

kalliente

(13:19:53 - 25-10)

shell at 10:57:07 on 25/10:

kalliente at 10:53:13 on 25/10:

shell at 10:47:15 on 25/10:

kalliente at 10:35:58 on 25/10:

shell at 10:25:35 on 25/10:
Kalliente; idiocy speaks, as i said you are blindfolded by hate. Now leave righelli alone.

I don't take orders from people like you... I 'll do whatever I want. If you got a problem with it, stop answering me. I got my opinion and I 'll state it whenever and however I want. I 've been playing since 2.1 so I know history quite well. Go play it something you re not and a hotshot to people that don't know you. Leave the rest cause you can convince no one.

People who have never worked with us, has no clear idea on us. Confluct, lucchese, fumtore, curse, illusion, nuevitas, bruinsma, krays are we used to work together and they know us, about respect part, who respects who cant be known by some anon's posts. Our bloods respect us, yes we made it to the end of versions together with conflict but that also counts for them. We as together made it to the end. Conflict and righelli were single families, not an alliance as affinitas, so we had to work together and did. You just dont have any idea on what happened in those versions and pretending dmart here by making comments on things u have no idea about. We are respected enough. Way more than you think, and way more than your fams. Respected by people whom we worked with, rest, id ont care as they have no clear idea on how we roll or how we think.

Anon posts? You see these posts as anonymous? Problem is that all the fams you re mentioning can get to the end without Righelli. You just seem to can't... Never did. And I never said that the families you work with don't respect you or trust you... But that wont change the facts of how you play and what you have accomplished. And as we say in Greece (in a free form translation): A repeating coincidence, stops being one.

Name a version that those fams made it to end or shut your mouth up to the end

2.1 LSO, 2.2 CCCE (unaccepted to claim that Conflict isn't CCCE) above all 2.71 Luch + Conflict with Righelli down halfway. more?

Anonymous (11:25:00 - 25-10)

Aart at 11:18:36 on 25/10:

Anonymous at 11:09:52 on 25/10:

lol aart sees the word pact again, hide people! hahaha. damn you just cant control yourself defending pact. xD

yeah shame on me for standing up for righelli after a few years

no shame, just funny because thats all you seem to do on this site

Aart (11:18:36 - 25-10)

Anonymous at 11:09:52 on 25/10:

lol aart sees the word pact again, hide people! hahaha. damn you just cant control yourself defending pact. xD

yeah shame on me for standing up for righelli after a few years

Anonymous (11:09:52 - 25-10)

Aart at 10:38:16 on 25/10:

kalliente at 10:22:26 on 25/10:

shell at 09:20:00 on 25/10:
@kaliente or w/e guy

Instead of calling others pathetic, look at the mirror once and you will see the exact definition of that word. After 6 years you still have this much grudge/hate for a specific group in a game and it also affects your judgement over that group of players, although some things are clear facts you deny to accept. We killed you to hell, ok, get over it, grow up, stop being an idiot kid anymore. You, your friends, johnny w/e and the rest, you may call us anything but it wouldn't change the fact, we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions. You may not accept that but fact is fact and it is written and remembered by us. Now you all can go to w/e you belong. And i am being stupid for giving a f damn word to some kiddos' words.

roflmao the one that's blinded by hate and grudge or whatever is obvious by the way of writing... No hate towards righelli... I got my opinion for you. That's different. Plus I ve killed you so many times that in no way I could still be mad... So stop calling people names and just face the truth... The only thing Righelli has accomplished in this game is to be one of the oldest families around. Beside that NOTHING. You never did anything by yourselves or by leading others. You only exist cause CCCE/Sigma/Conflict existed... Else you died without anyone helping you. Once you tried to do something but you sold Shadows so Shadows sold you to Nocturne/Nazdrovia. Face it little boy. You re not leaders, you 're followers. You exist when specific others exist. That should say something to you. and the opinion of the rest of the game other than you should say something to you... Bring Righelli up and play without the pact - meaning conflict - and make it halfway through a round and we can talk about history. Conflict has history. And for some strange reason people respect them. Same stands for Affis. Same stands for Luch/Vaffan. Oh wait... No one says something about you... Look in the mirror and face your history.... Then we can talk.

lol kalliente.. go back 2 versions oh wise historian

lol aart sees the word pact again, hide people! hahaha. damn you just cant control yourself defending pact. xD

shell (10:57:07 - 25-10)

kalliente at 10:53:13 on 25/10:

shell at 10:47:15 on 25/10:

kalliente at 10:35:58 on 25/10:

shell at 10:25:35 on 25/10:
Kalliente; idiocy speaks, as i said you are blindfolded by hate. Now leave righelli alone.

I don't take orders from people like you... I 'll do whatever I want. If you got a problem with it, stop answering me. I got my opinion and I 'll state it whenever and however I want. I 've been playing since 2.1 so I know history quite well. Go play it something you re not and a hotshot to people that don't know you. Leave the rest cause you can convince no one.

People who have never worked with us, has no clear idea on us. Confluct, lucchese, fumtore, curse, illusion, nuevitas, bruinsma, krays are we used to work together and they know us, about respect part, who respects who cant be known by some anon's posts. Our bloods respect us, yes we made it to the end of versions together with conflict but that also counts for them. We as together made it to the end. Conflict and righelli were single families, not an alliance as affinitas, so we had to work together and did. You just dont have any idea on what happened in those versions and pretending dmart here by making comments on things u have no idea about. We are respected enough. Way more than you think, and way more than your fams. Respected by people whom we worked with, rest, id ont care as they have no clear idea on how we roll or how we think.

Anon posts? You see these posts as anonymous? Problem is that all the fams you re mentioning can get to the end without Righelli. You just seem to can't... Never did. And I never said that the families you work with don't respect you or trust you... But that wont change the facts of how you play and what you have accomplished. And as we say in Greece (in a free form translation): A repeating coincidence, stops being one.

Name a version that those fams made it to end or shut your mouth up to the end

kalliente

(10:53:13 - 25-10)

shell at 10:47:15 on 25/10:

kalliente at 10:35:58 on 25/10:

shell at 10:25:35 on 25/10:
Kalliente; idiocy speaks, as i said you are blindfolded by hate. Now leave righelli alone.

I don't take orders from people like you... I 'll do whatever I want. If you got a problem with it, stop answering me. I got my opinion and I 'll state it whenever and however I want. I 've been playing since 2.1 so I know history quite well. Go play it something you re not and a hotshot to people that don't know you. Leave the rest cause you can convince no one.

People who have never worked with us, has no clear idea on us. Confluct, lucchese, fumtore, curse, illusion, nuevitas, bruinsma, krays are we used to work together and they know us, about respect part, who respects who cant be known by some anon's posts. Our bloods respect us, yes we made it to the end of versions together with conflict but that also counts for them. We as together made it to the end. Conflict and righelli were single families, not an alliance as affinitas, so we had to work together and did. You just dont have any idea on what happened in those versions and pretending dmart here by making comments on things u have no idea about. We are respected enough. Way more than you think, and way more than your fams. Respected by people whom we worked with, rest, id ont care as they have no clear idea on how we roll or how we think.

Anon posts? You see these posts as anonymous? Problem is that all the fams you re mentioning can get to the end without Righelli. You just seem to can't... Never did. And I never said that the families you work with don't respect you or trust you... But that wont change the facts of how you play and what you have accomplished. And as we say in Greece (in a free form translation): A repeating coincidence, stops being one.

shell (10:47:15 - 25-10)

kalliente at 10:35:58 on 25/10:

shell at 10:25:35 on 25/10:
Kalliente; idiocy speaks, as i said you are blindfolded by hate. Now leave righelli alone.

I don't take orders from people like you... I 'll do whatever I want. If you got a problem with it, stop answering me. I got my opinion and I 'll state it whenever and however I want. I 've been playing since 2.1 so I know history quite well. Go play it something you re not and a hotshot to people that don't know you. Leave the rest cause you can convince no one.

People who have never worked with us, has no clear idea on us. Confluct, lucchese, fumtore, curse, illusion, nuevitas, bruinsma, krays are we used to work together and they know us, about respect part, who respects who , cant be known by some anon's posts. Our bloods respect us, yes we made it to the end of versions together with conflict but that also counts for them. We as together made it to the end. Conflict and righelli were single families, not an alliance as affinitas, so we had to work together and did. You just dont have any idea on what happened in those versions and pretending smart here by making comments on things u have no idea about. We are respected enough. Way more than you think, and way more than your fams. Respected by people whom we worked with, rest, id ont care as they have no clear idea on how we roll or how we think.

kalliente

(10:44:30 - 25-10)

Aart at 10:38:16 on 25/10:

kalliente at 10:22:26 on 25/10:

shell at 09:20:00 on 25/10:
@kaliente or w/e guy

Instead of calling others pathetic, look at the mirror once and you will see the exact definition of that word. After 6 years you still have this much grudge/hate for a specific group in a game and it also affects your judgement over that group of players, although some things are clear facts you deny to accept. We killed you to hell, ok, get over it, grow up, stop being an idiot kid anymore. You, your friends, johnny w/e and the rest, you may call us anything but it wouldn't change the fact, we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions. You may not accept that but fact is fact and it is written and remembered by us. Now you all can go to w/e you belong. And i am being stupid for giving a f damn word to some kiddos' words.

roflmao the one that's blinded by hate and grudge or whatever is obvious by the way of writing... No hate towards righelli... I got my opinion for you. That's different. Plus I ve killed you so many times that in no way I could still be mad... So stop calling people names and just face the truth... The only thing Righelli has accomplished in this game is to be one of the oldest families around. Beside that NOTHING. You never did anything by yourselves or by leading others. You only exist cause CCCE/Sigma/Conflict existed... Else you died without anyone helping you. Once you tried to do something but you sold Shadows so Shadows sold you to Nocturne/Nazdrovia. Face it little boy. You re not leaders, you 're followers. You exist when specific others exist. That should say something to you. and the opinion of the rest of the game other than you should say something to you... Bring Righelli up and play without the pact - meaning conflict - and make it halfway through a round and we can talk about history. Conflict has history. And for some strange reason people respect them. Same stands for Affis. Same stands for Luch/Vaffan. Oh wait... No one says something about you... Look in the mirror and face your history.... Then we can talk.

lol kalliente.. go back 2 versions oh wise historian

You mean the one Conflict won or before that? When Marang won? Earlier?

Aart (10:38:16 - 25-10)

kalliente at 10:22:26 on 25/10:

shell at 09:20:00 on 25/10:
@kaliente or w/e guy

Instead of calling others pathetic, look at the mirror once and you will see the exact definition of that word. After 6 years you still have this much grudge/hate for a specific group in a game and it also affects your judgement over that group of players, although some things are clear facts you deny to accept. We killed you to hell, ok, get over it, grow up, stop being an idiot kid anymore. You, your friends, johnny w/e and the rest, you may call us anything but it wouldn't change the fact, we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions. You may not accept that but fact is fact and it is written and remembered by us. Now you all can go to w/e you belong. And i am being stupid for giving a f damn word to some kiddos' words.

roflmao the one that's blinded by hate and grudge or whatever is obvious by the way of writing... No hate towards righelli... I got my opinion for you. That's different. Plus I ve killed you so many times that in no way I could still be mad... So stop calling people names and just face the truth... The only thing Righelli has accomplished in this game is to be one of the oldest families around. Beside that NOTHING. You never did anything by yourselves or by leading others. You only exist cause CCCE/Sigma/Conflict existed... Else you died without anyone helping you. Once you tried to do something but you sold Shadows so Shadows sold you to Nocturne/Nazdrovia. Face it little boy. You re not leaders, you 're followers. You exist when specific others exist. That should say something to you. and the opinion of the rest of the game other than you should say something to you... Bring Righelli up and play without the pact - meaning conflict - and make it halfway through a round and we can talk about history. Conflict has history. And for some strange reason people respect them. Same stands for Affis. Same stands for Luch/Vaffan. Oh wait... No one says something about you... Look in the mirror and face your history.... Then we can talk.

lol kalliente.. go back 2 versions oh wise historian

kalliente

(10:35:58 - 25-10)

shell at 10:25:35 on 25/10:
Kalliente; idiocy speaks, as i said you are blindfolded by hate. Now leave righelli alone.

I don't take orders from people like you... I 'll do whatever I want. If you got a problem with it, stop answering me. I got my opinion and I 'll state it whenever and however I want. I 've been playing since 2.1 so I know history quite well. Go play it something you re not and a hotshot to people that don't know you. Leave the rest cause you can convince no one.

kalliente

(10:28:35 - 25-10)

Anonymous at 06:47:50 on 25/10:

Anonymous at 06:31:23 on 25/10:

kalliente at 21:05:05 on 24/10:

Johnny at 19:32:11 on 24/10:

Anonymous at 17:47:39 on 24/10:

Johnny at 13:44:50 on 24/10:

Kalliente at 12:15:02 on 24/10:

After affis joined the pact you stopped shooting at them... Unless conflict wasnt playing... Then even your close bloods would let u die...

Kalliente|Bored to login

This isn't true

1st of all ''Affis'' never joined pact, Vincitori blooded Conflict for 1st time in 3.2 and even then we worried about Righelli and pretty much wanted em dead, but shooting them 1st would simply be retarded on every tactical aspect. Even if we had no real enemies that version and some of fams who would shoot us later we considered friends, at some points we trusted those more than Conflict, cause Conflict had weird bloods list.
We wanted Righelli dead, but not so damn much to kill them asap, also I was sure sooner or later they will do something stupid cause as I stated before I thought they hate us. We agreed with Conflict they wont shoot Marangello and we wont shoot Righelli unless it is needed, and shooting wont happen vice versa. Then Righelli shot us with some other families which resulted in all of us dying.

Righelli didn't shoot us only in 3.3 but they shot our bloods. In the end if reset was not announced we would've shot Righelli.

What do you mean never joined pact? You re there since Vinci joined...

We never joined the pact cuz according to many we were the core.
Point when this all started Vincitori had only 5 bloods when others had 8 or more, and we never imagined to create pact or whatever. We simply didnt wanna war with Conflict every version. After that one version, and bunch of fams gangbanging us cause we seemed like a weakest link even if we were in top 5 on fam stats. From that point on we simply wanted to kill all those families who gathered to kill us, even if we were friendly with some of them. That's where we were completely fine with blooding many families in order to kill the ones we wanted.

nah you weren't the core. I never said that. And also I 've said also that you and conflict blooded each other cause you got bored fighting the opening war and then the winner to get killed from the rest of the fams... But still. You became part of the pact, which made the game so boring if you see the fams that are part of it (especially after Vaffan joined) and the ones eager to join so as not to get wasted... That's why everyone (but the pact fams, dont include Vinci/conflict) liked the previous round. Cause till the end you couldn't say who was gonna win. It was like the old rounds... Now we 're back to boremerta... Especially if they let you recover and shoot next weekend...

Righelli is another pathetic story... :p

well, vinci isnt playing anymore for 2 version now and pacts still exist...

pacts exist out of the game being teared apart in 3-4 groups who battle eachother over and over again...

U got :
vinci/vaffa/gravano/presi/liberta side (the so called affi side)
Turks+
Levi+
Nazd+

Nothing will change that. Since affi is the smartest side (tactical whise), other fams needs to form pacts also to fight then... It's a vicious circle :)

i fully agree on the first part, these sides keep fighting eachother every time. Affi is the smartest side (tactical whise)??? could be, levi+ has been doing the planning of most wars last version and still has a big influence on current version.

Anyway, you claim they have succes because they are smart (tactical whise). In my opinion its because they are the biggest by far. (they are bloodwise the smartest).

I can imagine how frustrating it has to be for the levi+ side, they dont have the playerbase to compete with this huge affi pact. If they want to kill them they will have to work with turks or naz. this has proven to be almost impossible, they are not willing to work with levi+, and they are not capable of organising a proper war themselves.

The problem is that the Affis pact joined the conflict pact creating a huge super-pact. Combining all the puppet fams that will just help this pact to try and reach the end of the round makes it nearly impossible for others to fight them. So the other 3 sides - who can be barely called a pact since they are just 3-4 families each - even if they join the cant bring down a pact of 20+ fams... Imagine having to work with Naz side and the way they act... Makes it absolutely impossible. That's what I m trying to say. That's why game got boring, except last round that the super-pact didn't play or the remaining fams died 1st. It was an open, exciting round. That's all. :p

shell (10:25:35 - 25-10)

Kalliente; idiocy speaks, as i said you are blindfolded by hate. Now leave righelli alone.

kalliente

(10:22:26 - 25-10)

shell at 09:20:00 on 25/10:
@kaliente or w/e guy

Instead of calling others pathetic, look at the mirror once and you will see the exact definition of that word. After 6 years you still have this much grudge/hate for a specific group in a game and it also affects your judgement over that group of players, although some things are clear facts you deny to accept. We killed you to hell, ok, get over it, grow up, stop being an idiot kid anymore. You, your friends, johnny w/e and the rest, you may call us anything but it wouldn't change the fact, we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions. You may not accept that but fact is fact and it is written and remembered by us. Now you all can go to w/e you belong. And i am being stupid for giving a f damn word to some kiddos' words.

roflmao the one that's blinded by hate and grudge or whatever is obvious by the way of writing... No hate towards righelli... I got my opinion for you. That's different. Plus I ve killed you so many times that in no way I could still be mad... So stop calling people names and just face the truth... The only thing Righelli has accomplished in this game is to be one of the oldest families around. Beside that NOTHING. You never did anything by yourselves or by leading others. You only exist cause CCCE/Sigma/Conflict existed... Else you died without anyone helping you. Once you tried to do something but you sold Shadows so Shadows sold you to Nocturne/Nazdrovia. Face it little boy. You re not leaders, you 're followers. You exist when specific others exist. That should say something to you. and the opinion of the rest of the game other than you should say something to you... Bring Righelli up and play without the pact - meaning conflict - and make it halfway through a round and we can talk about history. Conflict has history. And for some strange reason people respect them. Same stands for Affis. Same stands for Luch/Vaffan. Oh wait... No one says something about you... Look in the mirror and face your history.... Then we can talk.

Anonymous (10:05:35 - 25-10)

Anonymous at 10:03:34 on 25/10:

Anonymous at 09:30:18 on 25/10:

shell at 09:20:00 on 25/10:
@kaliente or w/e guy

Instead of calling others pathetic, look at the mirror once and you will see the exact definition of that word. After 6 years you still have this much grudge/hate for a specific group in a game and it also affects your judgement over that group of players, although some things are clear facts you deny to accept. We killed you to hell, ok, get over it, grow up, stop being an idiot kid anymore. You, your friends, johnny w/e and the rest, you may call us anything but it wouldn't change the fact, we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions. You may not accept that but fact is fact and it is written and remembered by us. Now you all can go to w/e you belong. And i am being stupid for giving a f damn word to some kiddos' words.

righelli? really? you give yourself to much credit bro

"we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions"

What does that even mean?

it means they did better then you did.

It means they did better then everybody

Anonymous (10:03:34 - 25-10)

Anonymous at 09:30:18 on 25/10:

shell at 09:20:00 on 25/10:
@kaliente or w/e guy

Instead of calling others pathetic, look at the mirror once and you will see the exact definition of that word. After 6 years you still have this much grudge/hate for a specific group in a game and it also affects your judgement over that group of players, although some things are clear facts you deny to accept. We killed you to hell, ok, get over it, grow up, stop being an idiot kid anymore. You, your friends, johnny w/e and the rest, you may call us anything but it wouldn't change the fact, we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions. You may not accept that but fact is fact and it is written and remembered by us. Now you all can go to w/e you belong. And i am being stupid for giving a f damn word to some kiddos' words.

righelli? really? you give yourself to much credit bro

"we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions"

What does that even mean?

it means they did better then you did.

Anonymous (09:30:18 - 25-10)

shell at 09:20:00 on 25/10:
@kaliente or w/e guy

Instead of calling others pathetic, look at the mirror once and you will see the exact definition of that word. After 6 years you still have this much grudge/hate for a specific group in a game and it also affects your judgement over that group of players, although some things are clear facts you deny to accept. We killed you to hell, ok, get over it, grow up, stop being an idiot kid anymore. You, your friends, johnny w/e and the rest, you may call us anything but it wouldn't change the fact, we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions. You may not accept that but fact is fact and it is written and remembered by us. Now you all can go to w/e you belong. And i am being stupid for giving a f damn word to some kiddos' words.

righelli? really? you give yourself to much credit bro

"we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions"

What does that even mean?

shell (09:20:00 - 25-10)

@kaliente or w/e guy

Instead of calling others pathetic, look at the mirror once and you will see the exact definition of that word. After 6 years you still have this much grudge/hate for a specific group in a game and it also affects your judgement over that group of players, although some things are clear facts you deny to accept. We killed you to hell, ok, get over it, grow up, stop being an idiot kid anymore. You, your friends, johnny w/e and the rest, you may call us anything but it wouldn't change the fact, we as righelli have achieved way more than the most of the game done in all those versions. You may not accept that but fact is fact and it is written and remembered by us. Now you all can go to w/e you belong. And i am being stupid for giving a f damn word to some kiddos' words.

Anonymous (08:03:23 - 25-10)

Anonymous at 08:02:07 on 25/10:
Who are those "Turks" and their pact? Really curious, cause many turkish fams I know even fight each other once in a while.

turks -> marraz en co. Xzone, notte are good fams, you can count them on levi+ side i gues

Anonymous (08:02:07 - 25-10)

Who are those "Turks" and their pact? Really curious, cause many turkish fams I know even fight each other once in a while.

Anonymous (06:47:50 - 25-10)

Anonymous at 06:31:23 on 25/10:

kalliente at 21:05:05 on 24/10:

Johnny at 19:32:11 on 24/10:

Anonymous at 17:47:39 on 24/10:

Johnny at 13:44:50 on 24/10:

Kalliente at 12:15:02 on 24/10:

After affis joined the pact you stopped shooting at them... Unless conflict wasnt playing... Then even your close bloods would let u die...

Kalliente|Bored to login

This isn't true

1st of all ''Affis'' never joined pact, Vincitori blooded Conflict for 1st time in 3.2 and even then we worried about Righelli and pretty much wanted em dead, but shooting them 1st would simply be retarded on every tactical aspect. Even if we had no real enemies that version and some of fams who would shoot us later we considered friends, at some points we trusted those more than Conflict, cause Conflict had weird bloods list.
We wanted Righelli dead, but not so damn much to kill them asap, also I was sure sooner or later they will do something stupid cause as I stated before I thought they hate us. We agreed with Conflict they wont shoot Marangello and we wont shoot Righelli unless it is needed, and shooting wont happen vice versa. Then Righelli shot us with some other families which resulted in all of us dying.

Righelli didn't shoot us only in 3.3 but they shot our bloods. In the end if reset was not announced we would've shot Righelli.

What do you mean never joined pact? You re there since Vinci joined...

We never joined the pact cuz according to many we were the core.
Point when this all started Vincitori had only 5 bloods when others had 8 or more, and we never imagined to create pact or whatever. We simply didnt wanna war with Conflict every version. After that one version, and bunch of fams gangbanging us cause we seemed like a weakest link even if we were in top 5 on fam stats. From that point on we simply wanted to kill all those families who gathered to kill us, even if we were friendly with some of them. That's where we were completely fine with blooding many families in order to kill the ones we wanted.

nah you weren't the core. I never said that. And also I 've said also that you and conflict blooded each other cause you got bored fighting the opening war and then the winner to get killed from the rest of the fams... But still. You became part of the pact, which made the game so boring if you see the fams that are part of it (especially after Vaffan joined) and the ones eager to join so as not to get wasted... That's why everyone (but the pact fams, dont include Vinci/conflict) liked the previous round. Cause till the end you couldn't say who was gonna win. It was like the old rounds... Now we 're back to boremerta... Especially if they let you recover and shoot next weekend...

Righelli is another pathetic story... :p

well, vinci isnt playing anymore for 2 version now and pacts still exist...

pacts exist out of the game being teared apart in 3-4 groups who battle eachother over and over again...

U got :
vinci/vaffa/gravano/presi/liberta side (the so called affi side)
Turks+
Levi+
Nazd+

Nothing will change that. Since affi is the smartest side (tactical whise), other fams needs to form pacts also to fight then... It's a vicious circle :)

i fully agree on the first part, these sides keep fighting eachother every time. Affi is the smartest side (tactical whise)??? could be, levi+ has been doing the planning of most wars last version and still has a big influence on current version.

Anyway, you claim they have succes because they are smart (tactical whise). In my opinion its because they are the biggest by far. (they are bloodwise the smartest).

I can imagine how frustrating it has to be for the levi+ side, they dont have the playerbase to compete with this huge affi pact. If they want to kill them they will have to work with turks or naz. this has proven to be almost impossible, they are not willing to work with levi+, and they are not capable of organising a proper war themselves.