» Menu
» OB/Site News
» Articles
 |
» Barafranca News
» Comments of ReBorN
11-02 Struggle for the top, part 2?
11:01:44 - 13-02
11-02 Struggle for the top, part 2?
05:59:35 - 13-02
Nuke at 05:56:58 on 13/02:
Well, for what it's worth, I'm sorry we didn't get to see what would have happened.. It sounds like good fun.
I'm always that way though.. I've always celebrated the underdog. Once someone has claimed a clear advantage, I always wish that I could have seen another outcome. I hope you get your chance to do things your way. I want to see that too. Everyone deserves the chance to be on top every now and then. :)
Hopefully next time someone else can be seen as the bad guy when the server resets. Perception means so much in this world.
Well, for what it's worth, I'm sorry we didn't get to see what would have happened.. It sounds like good fun.
I'm always that way though.. I've always celebrated the underdog. Once someone has claimed a clear advantage, I always wish that I could have seen another outcome. I hope you get your chance to do things your way. I want to see that too. Everyone deserves the chance to be on top every now and then. :)
Hopefully next time someone else can be seen as the bad guy when the server resets. Perception means so much in this world.
I hope so too. The only problem is, it took many versions to get to the way things are now and if its ever going to happen (which I doubt, because people are too afraid) it will take versions to make it happen. But, by that time people will be too sick or the way things are played that there wont be anyone left playing, except for the people that continue to gangbang all the time. :p
11-02 Struggle for the top, part 2?
05:42:55 - 13-02
Nuke at 05:36:24 on 13/02:
Reborn, tell me what you would have done differently, had your family not been shot the first time or the second time. Enough of being vague. Let's talk intentions. None of it matters now, but let's at least hear what you were thinking when you had the #1 family this version. Hell, you were two weeks from being a top 5 family again. What were you going to do then?
I'm not sure anything would have or could have turned out differently, other than the order in which families were killed. This game's politics do not appear any different than it was 8 years ago, only the ranking is much more even, which means that when it comes time to fight, most people are ready at the same time and one group comes out ahead.
LSO/Gambino Corp/Nuevitas/PPV had things wrapped up from the start of 2.1 and CCCE/S had things wrapped up from the start of 2.2. If another 10 families band together and off Templari, we have no idea who will win this server. In my opinion, it's one of the most even servers I have been a part of.
Reborn, tell me what you would have done differently, had your family not been shot the first time or the second time. Enough of being vague. Let's talk intentions. None of it matters now, but let's at least hear what you were thinking when you had the #1 family this version. Hell, you were two weeks from being a top 5 family again. What were you going to do then?
I'm not sure anything would have or could have turned out differently, other than the order in which families were killed. This game's politics do not appear any different than it was 8 years ago, only the ranking is much more even, which means that when it comes time to fight, most people are ready at the same time and one group comes out ahead.
LSO/Gambino Corp/Nuevitas/PPV had things wrapped up from the start of 2.1 and CCCE/S had things wrapped up from the start of 2.2. If another 10 families band together and off Templari, we have no idea who will win this server. In my opinion, it's one of the most even servers I have been a part of.
I cant tell you what we would have done. We had no plans on shooting anyone yet. Obviously we would have listen to rumors, possibly acted on them if given the chance. But I know what you are thinking, you think we would have started shooting families just for the hell of it. Maybe, if time was on our side. But I can tell you with 100% certainty, we had no target list, or list of families we had plans of shooting. Our intention was to play for a bit, gather some bullets, have a 1v1 war here and there, and take it from there. Like I said, we pledged no mass blooding and no gangbanging and thats what our gameplan was all about.
11-02 Struggle for the top, part 2?
05:13:04 - 13-02
mordor at 04:49:45 on 13/02:
You cant be serious... But sure, Aeterna and faffie just vanished in thin air. Also Templari will be up next version from the start, because that works.... You waited with luchesse untill you guys thought the time was right. Clearly it wasnt yet, cry me a river.
You cant be serious... But sure, Aeterna and faffie just vanished in thin air. Also Templari will be up next version from the start, because that works.... You waited with luchesse untill you guys thought the time was right. Clearly it wasnt yet, cry me a river.
You are kidding right? You tell me when Lucchese has ever played under another name for a full version?
Tell me which Lucchese tops were tops in Aeterna or Faffie. I think one was a top in Aeterna.
Lucchese only came back this version because a few key tops came out of retirement.
But thats ok, you know more about my family then I do. Go on with your bad self.
11-02 Struggle for the top, part 2?
05:09:17 - 13-02
Nuke at 04:34:04 on 13/02:
I will agree that Lucchese did not list many bloods, but Righelli did not act the same way. Unfortunately, everyone knows that Lucchese is very aggressive and as of this version, has the most ranking members. I wouldn't expect that anyone could kill one of Lucchese's few bloods without fighting Lucchese too. If I were to plan a war against one of your few bloods, I would have shot your family first too. Blame it on your reputation, if you wish, but who is more likely to fight a tough counter attack? Lucchese or Righelli. I know my answer, and in my opinion that's why Lucchese got shot first.
Keep in mind that I knew nothing of these wars, but I've been around long enough to have an idea of how things would have turned out if Lucchese was left alone. In my opinion, since Liggio and Righelli shared the same bloods, but were not in agreement with each other, it was inevitable that they would shoot one another. If I were Liggio, I would not have waited any longer for Righelli to recover from the previous war.. As for everyone else, what choice did they have? The top 4 families were working together. Liggio was their best shot at fighting a decent fight..
Righelli roped your family into this. No offense against their playing style, but maybe you should have started your new tactic by keeping your bloods on the same page as well.
Just my two cents.. I've been with many families and groups in this game, including yours, and served the best I could for the name I wore. I mean no bias against the Lucchese or Righelli name. I'm merely trying to explain how things might appear to the people who weren't in your circle this round.
I will agree that Lucchese did not list many bloods, but Righelli did not act the same way. Unfortunately, everyone knows that Lucchese is very aggressive and as of this version, has the most ranking members. I wouldn't expect that anyone could kill one of Lucchese's few bloods without fighting Lucchese too. If I were to plan a war against one of your few bloods, I would have shot your family first too. Blame it on your reputation, if you wish, but who is more likely to fight a tough counter attack? Lucchese or Righelli. I know my answer, and in my opinion that's why Lucchese got shot first.
Keep in mind that I knew nothing of these wars, but I've been around long enough to have an idea of how things would have turned out if Lucchese was left alone. In my opinion, since Liggio and Righelli shared the same bloods, but were not in agreement with each other, it was inevitable that they would shoot one another. If I were Liggio, I would not have waited any longer for Righelli to recover from the previous war.. As for everyone else, what choice did they have? The top 4 families were working together. Liggio was their best shot at fighting a decent fight..
Righelli roped your family into this. No offense against their playing style, but maybe you should have started your new tactic by keeping your bloods on the same page as well.
Just my two cents.. I've been with many families and groups in this game, including yours, and served the best I could for the name I wore. I mean no bias against the Lucchese or Righelli name. I'm merely trying to explain how things might appear to the people who weren't in your circle this round.
Of course, I can say unequivocally that if someone shot Righelli that Lucchese would have shot back. But there are many different options for the attackers. The point Im trying to make is, play for the best interest of your own family, not for the interest of a group of players, not for the interest of just killing Lucchese and Righelli.
The point I was trying to make was, when Lucchese pledged to keep their bloods to only 4, that wasnt the only statement we were making. We were also pledging to stay out of gangbang wars and blood locking the version. We were pledging against everything that is killing this game from a player controlled perspective. Its a shame that only 3 other families agreed to follow suit.
Like I said, I understand the first war although I think there were better ways of achieving the goal of killing/damaging our "side". For instance, if you need 16 families to take us down, and you still fail, maybe just concentrate on 1 of us?
The second war was a total joke in my opinion. Lucchese was weeks away from being able to do any damage. Pentagram had many other serious threats (obviously) but still decided to go after us again. What is the sense in that? Like I said, they can keep telling themselves whatever they want to help them sleep at night, but it was a stupid move that cost them their family and the type of move that is killing this game.
You say we should have kept our bloods on the same page? Its not our job to dictate how Righelli runs their family. In my opinion that is EXACTLY the mentality that has killed this game. We dont need to create a bloodweb of 8 families to "stay on the same page". Lucchese is Lucchese and plays for Lucchese and her bloods. Families shouldnt be blooding people as strategic moves, that is just crap and that is where this game died. I guarantee you that there were bloodships made this version simply because families were afraid of "our side". If you are that afraid then dont even bother making a family if you cant play for yourself, instead you find others to protect you.
Like I said, we tried to play a totally different game. We tried to play how things were when this game was actually fun. We had no intentions of shooting families simply because of their size or because it would put us in a better position.
11-02 Struggle for the top, part 2?
04:11:30 - 13-02
I love how people talk about what Lucchese and Righelli would and would not do. I can understand the first war on Lucchese and Righelli, even though I think that war was a stupid move too, but this was just an idiotic move driven by hate and fear in my opinion.
We made a very public statement about changing the game play for the better. Even as other families around us that we considered threats didnt accept our challenge, we still kept to our word and reduced the amount of bloods because it was the right thing to do. Even as we were gangbanged in the first war, we still kept our word and didnt take on any new bloods. We had many offers, many options, but we hoped that we could help change the gameplay by the players for the better.
This game is dead and the players have only themselves to blame. You can complain about the admins all you want but its the players that mass blooding and gangbang wars. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Even when families make a pledge, stick to that pledge, you are still too scared to play for yourselves.
You talk about what Lucchese was GOING to do, you talk about what Righelli was GOING to do, but in the end we are the ones that wanted smaller blooding and smaller wars. We were the ones who made the pledge and stuck to it. You can tell yourselves that we would have gangbanged you in the end but it will be a lie that helps you sleep better at night.
All this talk about what Aeterna and Faffie did in previous versions is just bullshit. Lucchese was not Aeterna and Lucchese was not Faffie.
Might we have shot Pentagram eventually? Maybe, if we had a reason to. We might have shot many families, if we were given a reason to. But we tried to play this version as if there was no past. I can tell you that if we shot those families, it would have been by ourselves, not with bloods and certainly not with a huge gangbang.
So go ahead, keep fooling yourselves. Keep playing a dead game that you are beating to death with a stick. Next time think for yourselves, play for yourselves.
We made a very public statement about changing the game play for the better. Even as other families around us that we considered threats didnt accept our challenge, we still kept to our word and reduced the amount of bloods because it was the right thing to do. Even as we were gangbanged in the first war, we still kept our word and didnt take on any new bloods. We had many offers, many options, but we hoped that we could help change the gameplay by the players for the better.
This game is dead and the players have only themselves to blame. You can complain about the admins all you want but its the players that mass blooding and gangbang wars. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Even when families make a pledge, stick to that pledge, you are still too scared to play for yourselves.
You talk about what Lucchese was GOING to do, you talk about what Righelli was GOING to do, but in the end we are the ones that wanted smaller blooding and smaller wars. We were the ones who made the pledge and stuck to it. You can tell yourselves that we would have gangbanged you in the end but it will be a lie that helps you sleep better at night.
All this talk about what Aeterna and Faffie did in previous versions is just bullshit. Lucchese was not Aeterna and Lucchese was not Faffie.
Might we have shot Pentagram eventually? Maybe, if we had a reason to. We might have shot many families, if we were given a reason to. But we tried to play this version as if there was no past. I can tell you that if we shot those families, it would have been by ourselves, not with bloods and certainly not with a huge gangbang.
So go ahead, keep fooling yourselves. Keep playing a dead game that you are beating to death with a stick. Next time think for yourselves, play for yourselves.
28-01 KS disabled for 4.5
09:00:52 - 31-01
Im sure the admins can calculate how much is dispersed each day in heist/oc/moc's. My suggestion would be to create spots similar to raids (which can not be raided) that generate the amount paid out per day every 24 hours. The lower the profit in the spot, the lower (exponentially) you receive each group crime.
For example (all figures estimated): OCs generate 160 million in total income a day. So create an OC spot in each city with 20 million. In the morning when someone does an OC in Detroit, they can get a nice healthy profit of 2-3 million. However, later in the night when there is only 2 million left in the spot, you can only get 500k max profit. This will force people to travel for group crimes and (hopefully) settle in other cities.
For example (all figures estimated): OCs generate 160 million in total income a day. So create an OC spot in each city with 20 million. In the morning when someone does an OC in Detroit, they can get a nice healthy profit of 2-3 million. However, later in the night when there is only 2 million left in the spot, you can only get 500k max profit. This will force people to travel for group crimes and (hopefully) settle in other cities.
21-01 Esperanza being shot
00:00:17 - 23-01
You can't have the benefit of having another high rank in your family without the risk of paying for it when he fucks up. If you want to invite random players that you don't know then you pay for the mistakes they make. And if you don't, like Esperanza, your family dies. You can't have the reward without having the risk.
In our family we screen each person we invite. If by the time they are high ranked if we don't know them well enough and don't feel comfortable with them we part ways. So don't tell me 100+ member families don't know all their members. That is not an excuse. If you don't know your members then you aren't doing your job as a top.
In our family we screen each person we invite. If by the time they are high ranked if we don't know them well enough and don't feel comfortable with them we part ways. So don't tell me 100+ member families don't know all their members. That is not an excuse. If you don't know your members then you aren't doing your job as a top.
19-01 WIN A FREE DC - #6!
07:35:01 - 20-01
1: Liberta
2: Notte
3: Vincitori
4: Krays
5: Lucchese
6: Lucchese, Nuevitas , Marangello , Fanaticos , Gruna , Fatoslocos , Coccada, Sacracorona
7:
2: Notte
3: Vincitori
4: Krays
5: Lucchese
6: Lucchese, Nuevitas , Marangello , Fanaticos , Gruna , Fatoslocos , Coccada, Sacracorona
7:
14-07 Bastille Day
22:52:51 - 14-07
Damn, I really wanted to shoot them :/
Good riddance.
Good riddance.
16-05 Catania being shot!
22:14:16 - 16-05
Anonymous at 21:59:51 on 16/05:
next time try to think with your brain m8. it works better
ReBorN at 21:40:31 on 16/05:
Not at all Mr. Anonymous! I think with both of my ass cheeks 100% of the time! xD
Anonymous at 21:36:26 on 16/05:
reborn, are u thinking with ur left part of ass?
reborn, are u thinking with ur left part of ass?
Not at all Mr. Anonymous! I think with both of my ass cheeks 100% of the time! xD
next time try to think with your brain m8. it works better
Nah, this is more fun.
If you have better information then me, please feel free to contact me on IRC. I hear you out ;)
16-05 Catania being shot!
21:40:31 - 16-05
Anonymous at 21:36:26 on 16/05:
reborn, are u thinking with ur left part of ass?
reborn, are u thinking with ur left part of ass?
Not at all Mr. Anonymous! I think with both of my ass cheeks 100% of the time! xD
16-05 Catania being shot!
20:58:13 - 16-05
At this point it appears Vaffanculo targeted Catania because of a possible threat. Catania (to our knowledge) is not involved in the Lusa war.
Conversely, Vaffanculo is also shooting Caedes. That aspect of the war is in defense of Lusa.
Conclusion: Two seperate wars.
Conversely, Vaffanculo is also shooting Caedes. That aspect of the war is in defense of Lusa.
Conclusion: Two seperate wars.
General Comments & Major Rumors
20:34:51 - 19-01
Redspeert at 20:16:31 on 19/01:
I am not calling you dumb ReBorN, as I see you as a friend and a good player. But saying that none of the others knew about the bug accounts is either plane lying or acting dumb.
My guess is that you guys turned the blind eye against it, just overlooking it because it was for the greater good of the fam, I would do that also if anyone in my fam had a bug. But saying that NONE else than the actual buggers knew about it is just hard to belive.
ReBorN at 17:05:30 on 19/01:
Dumb? Ouch, that hurts Redspeert. Let me give you an example of why I didnt realize what was happening:
During the 11-01 war, my account died very early (2nd wave I think). I immediately started a new account. Since I was going to be online for several more hours, and it looked very grim for us, I told everyone to send me the family cash they had (Family Bank, Casino's, etc) so I could fund the shooters throughout the war.
Simply collecting the Family Bank and Casino's, I had 700m. None of that money came from any of the bug abusers. Most of it came from the accounts that are still alive today, our object holders. So when I knew for a fact that our casino's made a ton of money, along with other Tops gambling and winning a ton of money, why would I suspect anything?
Redspeert at 16:36:47 on 19/01:
Well, you gotta be pretty dumb if you don't notice something is weird when your fellow tops send out houndred of mil's that is not coming from objects.
Well, you gotta be pretty dumb if you don't notice something is weird when your fellow tops send out houndred of mil's that is not coming from objects.
Dumb? Ouch, that hurts Redspeert. Let me give you an example of why I didnt realize what was happening:
During the 11-01 war, my account died very early (2nd wave I think). I immediately started a new account. Since I was going to be online for several more hours, and it looked very grim for us, I told everyone to send me the family cash they had (Family Bank, Casino's, etc) so I could fund the shooters throughout the war.
Simply collecting the Family Bank and Casino's, I had 700m. None of that money came from any of the bug abusers. Most of it came from the accounts that are still alive today, our object holders. So when I knew for a fact that our casino's made a ton of money, along with other Tops gambling and winning a ton of money, why would I suspect anything?
I am not calling you dumb ReBorN, as I see you as a friend and a good player. But saying that none of the others knew about the bug accounts is either plane lying or acting dumb.
My guess is that you guys turned the blind eye against it, just overlooking it because it was for the greater good of the fam, I would do that also if anyone in my fam had a bug. But saying that NONE else than the actual buggers knew about it is just hard to belive.
Well, you are calling me dumb because I did not know about the abuse. :p
Likewise, I also consider you a friend and a great player. Like I explained in a previous post, the way they laundered the money did not raise any flags. If you want, PM me on IRC and I can explain a few other things but, I wont here. People either believe me or they dont. Since your a friend, I would love the opportunity to convince you in private. ;)
General Comments & Major Rumors
17:44:56 - 19-01
`Donalo`Sixx at 17:24:44 on 19/01:
I'm not calling you an idiot like you suggest. Of course it is possible you didn't know about the abuses going on but you have to acknowledge that the most likely scenario is that fellow tops of the abuser would have, at least some idea, that something was going on and you cant blame people for reaching that conclusion. It sounds strange to me that you would hide what you were up to from your own tops. If that was the case sounds like there was a serious trust issue inside your top which jeopardised the family you were all working for (downed the fam) and people should be rightfully angry. I can at least say that if someone is cheating in Levi - all Levi tops are gonna know about it.
ReBorN at 16:58:02 on 19/01:
Why do you think this bug was around for so long? Because only a handful of people knew about it. Once too many people find out about it, it will be too widely abused and eventually become "public".
Cmon, your not an idiot, so please dont assume Im one either. When have I ever been proven to be a liar in this game? Ask anyone and they will tell you I always speak the truth. Simply because we are in the same Top doesnt mean they share their exploits with me.
More people cheat in this game then either you or I even realize. Whether its mass duping, scripting or bug abusing. Cheating in this game is rampant! I can guarantee you that some of the very same people you play with claim to be honest players but actually cheat like crazy behind your back!
Through my years in Omerta I have met players that I found to be honorable, stand-up people. Only to find out one or two versions later that they were cheaters. Everyone plays a game here whether it be some dude pretending to be a hot chick or some dirty cheater pretending to be a great player.
You can think what you want about me, I dont care. And of course, you have no way of knowing if Im telling the truth or not. However, why would I sit here and admit the bug was used but deny knowing it existed? What does that get me? Nothing. Yes, some of our Top abused a bug. As honest as I am in that statement, this one is equally honest: Just as many people in our Top was very angry the bug was used, and didnt know the bug was used as there were people in our Top who were using it. Just goes to show, not all of us knew.
And as far as the hundreds of millions that were being spread around, we won a TON of money with our casino's. Italien also won hundreds of millions on poker. So most of it appeared to be legitimate at the time.
Dont assume to know me and dont assume Im an idiot. Like I said, I do not lie in this game. When I give someone my word, I keep it.
Dumb? Ouch, that hurts Redspeert. Let me give you an example of why I didnt realize what was happening:
During the 11-01 war, my account died very early (2nd wave I think). I immediately started a new account. Since I was going to be online for several more hours, and it looked very grim for us, I told everyone to send me the family cash they had (Family Bank, Casino's, etc) so I could fund the shooters throughout the war.
Simply collecting the Family Bank and Casino's, I had 700m. None of that money came from any of the bug abusers. Most of it came from the accounts that are still alive today, our object holders. So when I knew for a fact that our casino's made a ton of money, along with other Tops gambling and winning a ton of money, why would I suspect anything?
`Donalo`Sixx at 16:30:37 on 19/01:
So you didn't think it was strange and ask any questions when your don (and fellow top of Lucchese) continued to produce 100's upon 100's of millions outta thin air? xD SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you didnt know :')
So you didn't think it was strange and ask any questions when your don (and fellow top of Lucchese) continued to produce 100's upon 100's of millions outta thin air? xD SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you didnt know :')
Why do you think this bug was around for so long? Because only a handful of people knew about it. Once too many people find out about it, it will be too widely abused and eventually become "public".
Cmon, your not an idiot, so please dont assume Im one either. When have I ever been proven to be a liar in this game? Ask anyone and they will tell you I always speak the truth. Simply because we are in the same Top doesnt mean they share their exploits with me.
More people cheat in this game then either you or I even realize. Whether its mass duping, scripting or bug abusing. Cheating in this game is rampant! I can guarantee you that some of the very same people you play with claim to be honest players but actually cheat like crazy behind your back!
Through my years in Omerta I have met players that I found to be honorable, stand-up people. Only to find out one or two versions later that they were cheaters. Everyone plays a game here whether it be some dude pretending to be a hot chick or some dirty cheater pretending to be a great player.
You can think what you want about me, I dont care. And of course, you have no way of knowing if Im telling the truth or not. However, why would I sit here and admit the bug was used but deny knowing it existed? What does that get me? Nothing. Yes, some of our Top abused a bug. As honest as I am in that statement, this one is equally honest: Just as many people in our Top was very angry the bug was used, and didnt know the bug was used as there were people in our Top who were using it. Just goes to show, not all of us knew.
And as far as the hundreds of millions that were being spread around, we won a TON of money with our casino's. Italien also won hundreds of millions on poker. So most of it appeared to be legitimate at the time.
Dont assume to know me and dont assume Im an idiot. Like I said, I do not lie in this game. When I give someone my word, I keep it.
Redspeert at 16:36:47 on 19/01:
Well, you gotta be pretty dumb if you don't notice something is weird when your fellow tops send out houndred of mil's that is not coming from objects.
Well, you gotta be pretty dumb if you don't notice something is weird when your fellow tops send out houndred of mil's that is not coming from objects.
Dumb? Ouch, that hurts Redspeert. Let me give you an example of why I didnt realize what was happening:
During the 11-01 war, my account died very early (2nd wave I think). I immediately started a new account. Since I was going to be online for several more hours, and it looked very grim for us, I told everyone to send me the family cash they had (Family Bank, Casino's, etc) so I could fund the shooters throughout the war.
Simply collecting the Family Bank and Casino's, I had 700m. None of that money came from any of the bug abusers. Most of it came from the accounts that are still alive today, our object holders. So when I knew for a fact that our casino's made a ton of money, along with other Tops gambling and winning a ton of money, why would I suspect anything?
I'm not calling you an idiot like you suggest. Of course it is possible you didn't know about the abuses going on but you have to acknowledge that the most likely scenario is that fellow tops of the abuser would have, at least some idea, that something was going on and you cant blame people for reaching that conclusion. It sounds strange to me that you would hide what you were up to from your own tops. If that was the case sounds like there was a serious trust issue inside your top which jeopardised the family you were all working for (downed the fam) and people should be rightfully angry. I can at least say that if someone is cheating in Levi - all Levi tops are gonna know about it.
Sorry that I drew that conclusion. It just appeared to me that you were suggesting that I should have known or else I was "dumb" like Redspeert subsequently suggested.
Like I tried explaining, the only way to keep a bug like that active is to hide it from as many people as possible. Dont get me wrong, I am angry it took place and intimately downed the family. However, knowing what I know now, I can not say Im angry that they were doing it.
Cheating is an epidemic in this game. When you have thousands of players (most probably dupes) playing a MAFIA game, of course a lot of them will think they are badass and try to cheat. Back in the days of massive scripting, most tops acknowledged that most families had at lease SOME scripters in their family. And today, with bug abuse and dupes (and still some scripters) I think the same is true. To suggest most families play fair is simply delusional. And the simple fact of the matter is, how many akills do we see these days? Maybe .5% of the player base? The admins are failing at their job HARD.
And as far as suggesting trust issues in the Top, that couldnt be further from the truth. The only reason we all keep playing is for each other. Like I said, if you want to keep exploiting bugs like that you have to keep them as secret as possible. I was good friends with Zenga. He scripted for many versions and it was only near the very end before it became publicly obvious that he told me about it.
Bottom line, I trust these Tops 100%. Some cheaters, some fair but, I trust them and I wouldnt want to play with anyone else.
General Comments & Major Rumors
17:05:30 - 19-01
Anonymous at 17:03:31 on 19/01:
Just cos someone puts 200m poker games on their profile doesnt mean that they have won it...tbh it was a perfect cover...
ReBorN at 16:58:02 on 19/01:
Why do you think this bug was around for so long? Because only a handful of people knew about it. Once too many people find out about it, it will be too widely abused and eventually become "public".
Cmon, your not an idiot, so please dont assume Im one either. When have I ever been proven to be a liar in this game? Ask anyone and they will tell you I always speak the truth. Simply because we are in the same Top doesnt mean they share their exploits with me.
More people cheat in this game then either you or I even realize. Whether its mass duping, scripting or bug abusing. Cheating in this game is rampant! I can guarantee you that some of the very same people you play with claim to be honest players but actually cheat like crazy behind your back!
Through my years in Omerta I have met players that I found to be honorable, stand-up people. Only to find out one or two versions later that they were cheaters. Everyone plays a game here whether it be some dude pretending to be a hot chick or some dirty cheater pretending to be a great player.
You can think what you want about me, I dont care. And of course, you have no way of knowing if Im telling the truth or not. However, why would I sit here and admit the bug was used but deny knowing it existed? What does that get me? Nothing. Yes, some of our Top abused a bug. As honest as I am in that statement, this one is equally honest: Just as many people in our Top was very angry the bug was used, and didnt know the bug was used as there were people in our Top who were using it. Just goes to show, not all of us knew.
And as far as the hundreds of millions that were being spread around, we won a TON of money with our casino's. Italien also won hundreds of millions on poker. So most of it appeared to be legitimate at the time.
Dont assume to know me and dont assume Im an idiot. Like I said, I do not lie in this game. When I give someone my word, I keep it.
Dumb? Ouch, that hurts Redspeert. Let me give you an example of why I didnt realize what was happening:
During the 11-01 war, my account died very early (2nd wave I think). I immediately started a new account. Since I was going to be online for several more hours, and it looked very grim for us, I told everyone to send me the family cash they had (Family Bank, Casino's, etc) so I could fund the shooters throughout the war.
Simply collecting the Family Bank and Casino's, I had 700m. None of that money came from any of the bug abusers. Most of it came from the accounts that are still alive today, our object holders. So when I knew for a fact that our casino's made a ton of money, along with other Tops gambling and winning a ton of money, why would I suspect anything?
`Donalo`Sixx at 16:30:37 on 19/01:
So you didn't think it was strange and ask any questions when your don (and fellow top of Lucchese) continued to produce 100's upon 100's of millions outta thin air? xD SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you didnt know :')
So you didn't think it was strange and ask any questions when your don (and fellow top of Lucchese) continued to produce 100's upon 100's of millions outta thin air? xD SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you didnt know :')
Why do you think this bug was around for so long? Because only a handful of people knew about it. Once too many people find out about it, it will be too widely abused and eventually become "public".
Cmon, your not an idiot, so please dont assume Im one either. When have I ever been proven to be a liar in this game? Ask anyone and they will tell you I always speak the truth. Simply because we are in the same Top doesnt mean they share their exploits with me.
More people cheat in this game then either you or I even realize. Whether its mass duping, scripting or bug abusing. Cheating in this game is rampant! I can guarantee you that some of the very same people you play with claim to be honest players but actually cheat like crazy behind your back!
Through my years in Omerta I have met players that I found to be honorable, stand-up people. Only to find out one or two versions later that they were cheaters. Everyone plays a game here whether it be some dude pretending to be a hot chick or some dirty cheater pretending to be a great player.
You can think what you want about me, I dont care. And of course, you have no way of knowing if Im telling the truth or not. However, why would I sit here and admit the bug was used but deny knowing it existed? What does that get me? Nothing. Yes, some of our Top abused a bug. As honest as I am in that statement, this one is equally honest: Just as many people in our Top was very angry the bug was used, and didnt know the bug was used as there were people in our Top who were using it. Just goes to show, not all of us knew.
And as far as the hundreds of millions that were being spread around, we won a TON of money with our casino's. Italien also won hundreds of millions on poker. So most of it appeared to be legitimate at the time.
Dont assume to know me and dont assume Im an idiot. Like I said, I do not lie in this game. When I give someone my word, I keep it.
Redspeert at 16:36:47 on 19/01:
Well, you gotta be pretty dumb if you don't notice something is weird when your fellow tops send out houndred of mil's that is not coming from objects.
Well, you gotta be pretty dumb if you don't notice something is weird when your fellow tops send out houndred of mil's that is not coming from objects.
Dumb? Ouch, that hurts Redspeert. Let me give you an example of why I didnt realize what was happening:
During the 11-01 war, my account died very early (2nd wave I think). I immediately started a new account. Since I was going to be online for several more hours, and it looked very grim for us, I told everyone to send me the family cash they had (Family Bank, Casino's, etc) so I could fund the shooters throughout the war.
Simply collecting the Family Bank and Casino's, I had 700m. None of that money came from any of the bug abusers. Most of it came from the accounts that are still alive today, our object holders. So when I knew for a fact that our casino's made a ton of money, along with other Tops gambling and winning a ton of money, why would I suspect anything?
Just cos someone puts 200m poker games on their profile doesnt mean that they have won it...tbh it was a perfect cover...
He pasted his wins and losses in the Top channel all day long. Who knows, maybe he made them up, I dont know. But what I was seeing appeared legit at the time.
General Comments & Major Rumors
16:58:02 - 19-01
`Donalo`Sixx at 16:30:37 on 19/01:
So you didn't think it was strange and ask any questions when your don (and fellow top of Lucchese) continued to produce 100's upon 100's of millions outta thin air? xD SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you didnt know :')
So you didn't think it was strange and ask any questions when your don (and fellow top of Lucchese) continued to produce 100's upon 100's of millions outta thin air? xD SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you didnt know :')
Why do you think this bug was around for so long? Because only a handful of people knew about it. Once too many people find out about it, it will be too widely abused and eventually become "public".
Cmon, your not an idiot, so please dont assume Im one either. When have I ever been proven to be a liar in this game? Ask anyone and they will tell you I always speak the truth. Simply because we are in the same Top doesnt mean they share their exploits with me.
More people cheat in this game then either you or I even realize. Whether its mass duping, scripting or bug abusing. Cheating in this game is rampant! I can guarantee you that some of the very same people you play with claim to be honest players but actually cheat like crazy behind your back!
Through my years in Omerta I have met players that I found to be honorable, stand-up people. Only to find out one or two versions later that they were cheaters. Everyone plays a game here whether it be some dude pretending to be a hot chick or some dirty cheater pretending to be a great player.
You can think what you want about me, I dont care. And of course, you have no way of knowing if Im telling the truth or not. However, why would I sit here and admit the bug was used but deny knowing it existed? What does that get me? Nothing. Yes, some of our Top abused a bug. As honest as I am in that statement, this one is equally honest: Just as many people in our Top was very angry the bug was used, and didnt know the bug was used as there were people in our Top who were using it. Just goes to show, not all of us knew.
And as far as the hundreds of millions that were being spread around, we won a TON of money with our casino's. Italien also won hundreds of millions on poker. So most of it appeared to be legitimate at the time.
Dont assume to know me and dont assume Im an idiot. Like I said, I do not lie in this game. When I give someone my word, I keep it.
Redspeert at 16:36:47 on 19/01:
Well, you gotta be pretty dumb if you don't notice something is weird when your fellow tops send out houndred of mil's that is not coming from objects.
Well, you gotta be pretty dumb if you don't notice something is weird when your fellow tops send out houndred of mil's that is not coming from objects.
Dumb? Ouch, that hurts Redspeert. Let me give you an example of why I didnt realize what was happening:
During the 11-01 war, my account died very early (2nd wave I think). I immediately started a new account. Since I was going to be online for several more hours, and it looked very grim for us, I told everyone to send me the family cash they had (Family Bank, Casino's, etc) so I could fund the shooters throughout the war.
Simply collecting the Family Bank and Casino's, I had 700m. None of that money came from any of the bug abusers. Most of it came from the accounts that are still alive today, our object holders. So when I knew for a fact that our casino's made a ton of money, along with other Tops gambling and winning a ton of money, why would I suspect anything?
General Comments & Major Rumors
13:20:09 - 19-01
Anonymous at 08:54:36 on 19/01:
I can see why its been an exciting version for you with all the bug abuse in your family :p
Not that hard to cause some excitement with unlimited money and bullet resources.
ReBorN at 23:17:43 on 18/01:
Boring? Are you on crack?! This version has been exciting!! :D
Anonymous at 23:11:34 on 18/01:
vote yes please this is pretty booring !
vote yes please this is pretty booring !
Boring? Are you on crack?! This version has been exciting!! :D
I can see why its been an exciting version for you with all the bug abuse in your family :p
Not that hard to cause some excitement with unlimited money and bullet resources.
Personally, I never used it. Didnt even know about it until yesterday. And so far this version has had a ton of "red" wars and a huge scandal, and you consider that boring? Dont let the hate cloud your judgement.
General Comments & Major Rumors
23:26:08 - 18-01
Anonymous at 23:25:00 on 18/01:
exactly and once they see ROM they will stop :)
ReBorN at 23:20:01 on 18/01:
Nah, the version is still pretty much open ... as long as people are re-ranking :p
Anonymous at 23:19:08 on 18/01:
yeah but now it is and will start to get more boring each day !
ReBorN at 23:17:43 on 18/01:
Boring? Are you on crack?! This version has been exciting!! :D
Anonymous at 23:11:34 on 18/01:
vote yes please this is pretty booring !
vote yes please this is pretty booring !
Boring? Are you on crack?! This version has been exciting!! :D
yeah but now it is and will start to get more boring each day !
Nah, the version is still pretty much open ... as long as people are re-ranking :p
exactly and once they see ROM they will stop :)
ROM is currently at 62.88% no. I dont think there will be a reset. ;)
General Comments & Major Rumors
23:20:01 - 18-01
Anonymous at 23:19:08 on 18/01:
yeah but now it is and will start to get more boring each day !
ReBorN at 23:17:43 on 18/01:
Boring? Are you on crack?! This version has been exciting!! :D
Anonymous at 23:11:34 on 18/01:
vote yes please this is pretty booring !
vote yes please this is pretty booring !
Boring? Are you on crack?! This version has been exciting!! :D
yeah but now it is and will start to get more boring each day !
Nah, the version is still pretty much open ... as long as people are re-ranking :p
I love how people talk about what Lucchese and Righelli would and would not do. I can understand the first war on Lucchese and Righelli, even though I think that war was a stupid move too, but this was just an idiotic move driven by hate and fear in my opinion.
We made a very public statement about changing the game play for the better. Even as other families around us that we considered threats didnt accept our challenge, we still kept to our word and reduced the amount of bloods because it was the right thing to do. Even as we were gangbanged in the first war, we still kept our word and didnt take on any new bloods. We had many offers, many options, but we hoped that we could help change the gameplay by the players for the better.
This game is dead and the players have only themselves to blame. You can complain about the admins all you want but its the players that mass blooding and gangbang wars. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Even when families make a pledge, stick to that pledge, you are still too scared to play for yourselves.
You talk about what Lucchese was GOING to do, you talk about what Righelli was GOING to do, but in the end we are the ones that wanted smaller blooding and smaller wars. We were the ones who made the pledge and stuck to it. You can tell yourselves that we would have gangbanged you in the end but it will be a lie that helps you sleep better at night.
All this talk about what Aeterna and Faffie did in previous versions is just bullshit. Lucchese was not Aeterna and Lucchese was not Faffie.
Might we have shot Pentagram eventually? Maybe, if we had a reason to. We might have shot many families, if we were given a reason to. But we tried to play this version as if there was no past. I can tell you that if we shot those families, it would have been by ourselves, not with bloods and certainly not with a huge gangbang.
So go ahead, keep fooling yourselves. Keep playing a dead game that you are beating to death with a stick. Next time think for yourselves, play for yourselves.
Completely agree with you Reborn. It's sad to see so many fams who were once respected and playing like pro's still gangbang a family that actually pledged to make this game a better game, to move onwards in a positive manner. Now these fams.. meh.. I can talk bullcrap about them all I want, but they're just not worth it to me anymore, it's just seriously sad.
I'm not totally convinced Templari won the version just yet, there's still some stuff that can happen, but the most likely scenario which we've seen for too many versions by now would indicate that fams will just die withing firing a single shot.
I'm hoping you're right and that all these silly fams will eventually find the brains to realise that gangbanging is meant for porn only.
So you are saying that if Lucchese pledged to "make the game better" nobody should make a move on them? And let them do what they wait?
If you cant understand the words that Im saying, dont even bother responding to my posts. What Im saying is, everyone should be playing for themselves not asslicking others just to get down families they hate.
Ive said, many times, that I understand the 1st war even though I think it was a poor move on the attackers part. The 2nd war however was stupid and purely fueled by hate and fear.
Try and read what I actually write next time. Thanks.