I wonder how many people actually know bloods of top fams.

For example in this war you had 2 Aeterna's bloods killing each other (or one killing other, however you want it). Aeterna can't be too happy with that now... In other news it would be funny to see blood list of 2 power houses of this version - Aeterna and Marazzino, with Aeterna being blooded to Anarchy and Faffie while Marazzino blooded Impact I'm looking forward to them resolving their differences.

Though I believe version ended on night when Jannisary died, still I'm eager to see how will they untangle all this bloodweb they created. Backstabbing is always fun to watch.

PS. Not writing bloods on fam page is lame.

I could be completely wrong but I think it was Righelli - Liggio - Genovese - Cupola.

And again I was wrong, was only sure for Liggio though.

Never said it's a bad thing, just said you can't expect much different from your ''normal'' players when your own crew used to cheat in game. Though I really doubt they're using those ex-players for right things...

Admins being biased is nothing new and it happened many times before that they target certain fams with akills, it also happens that they close eyes and turn their heads away from certain families. Catania isn't 1st nor last who had this treatment and funny enough no one pays attention to this until it happens to them, then they complain and make some noise.

Honestly I've never seen unjustified akill, all the stories that are like ''I swear bro I was clean'' or ''I can guaranty for him that he didn't cheat'' are just bullshit from my own experience. Also I am sure that at least 90% of player base has cheated or have been involved in cheating one way or another.

These akills change nothing, it just makes Catania players and friends unhappy and angry with admins only, maybe some will stop ''playing'' but in bigger picture it wont change anything cause people that cheat will continue cheating, those who don't will start sooner or later. When you have ex script owner as newly hired game developer you can't expect much better from common player either.

Having more accounts play from same IP address is not duping, at least it wasn't considered so while I played.

Those accounts can not be punished unless they do hiest/oc/moc together or send money/hpz to each other. Also if I remember correct you can't have each other in testament.

During 2.3 2.4 and 2.5 I had 10+ friends playing from same internet cafe with same IP and not one of them got akilled.

Thing that I said is that admins are as much to blame as players are for massblooding and working in large groups. Admins forced down this play style to players, cause it was only way to win or survive. This wont go as simple as ''Oh we changed KA all is fine now, stop masblooding and if you keep doing so it's your own fault and you destroy the game''. No, things don't work that way. It's up to devs to give players options to play different than massblooding and still be able to feel safe, have fun and have chance at winning version.

I saw some stuff K-Code did (probably all) and honestly I liked it and it's a move in good direction for game, but this game needs more changes and it needs it fast. Game needs to become more dynamic, more diverse and more interesting for players. There needs to be more different ways to build account, more bodyguards and more itemization.

I said it before and I will say it again, most toxic thing about this game is double backfire, that thing right there is fucking up wars and making them all be same. Type in 60k and wait for outcome, and everyone who shoots less than 60k is absolute moron cause 60k is only way to have same shot at your target. Remove that and you might see less outnumbering, and more tactic into play.
Find way to include whole family as union into game and wars, and knowing how to use your family right in war (as in having plan, organization and execution) you actually have great shot at fighting war alone 1v1. Find way to give family chance to outplay other family 1on1 easier than it is now and in long run massive gang bangs will be gone. Give enough ''tools'' to repel massive backshooting for families that carefully plan their moves and problem of massblooding will solve itself in time.

This problem wont disappear in a version or two, same as it didn't become main problem in a version or two, but if you give enough ways to single family and single players to keep playing this problem will solve itself.

Oh and main problem with re-ranking is that people who killed you only grow stronger while you're set back significantly. Way to solve this is to make it possible to personalize accounts and give each account different role into family. This right here will solve every problem game has atm imo. It will make possible to fight wars 1on1, it will make possible to win wars 1on1 and it will give chance to everyone to re-rank and revenge on their killers. Just make it possible for 2-3 accounts (even lower ranks) work on killing some high Brug/CD together without preshooting.
Bringing different bodyguards into game with way to build them according to your needs/plans was good idea, but it's time to expand it...

While I played I offered many ideas, same as many other people did to Brando himself. Brando was just never really interested into listening them. He would say put them on x-mind and send em to me, which I would actually do if I thought he cared a tiny bit.

Don't take it as offense cause it is not meant to be one but if you think that you did your job and that now you should sit and wait for players to change game whole dev crew needs to get fired and start finding new people.

This game is so outdated and un-fun to play once you die (it's not too fun to mindlessly click or hire lackeys at 1st place either) that it is your job to find ways to make it interesting. Players current ones and ex ones have enough ideas to make this gold mine for Brando again, and Brando heard already a lot of suggestions just he never cared enough to work on implanting them in game.

Players played way ''owners'' of this game let them play, considering how many slip ups and how unfair this game actually is (was?) it's amazing there are still players willing to play it.

There's so much work to do and changes to make before you guys can even think of saying Yep we did our job, now it's up to you players to make it interesting. No, you did not do your job, you just scratched surface of very rusty game that desperately needs an upgrade.

Days of all brugs online in war are long gone... No family will be able to bring all their brugs online, hell if any big family (with big I mean 40-50 brug+) is able to bring over 60% of brugs online in war it's quite an achievement. Even in 3.0+ versions it was impossible to bring ''all'' brugs online after 1st 2-3 wars.

Also when there are CD's in game you don't care as much for brugs online as you do for CD's. And with lackeys literally anyone can reach brug with logging in 1-2 times in 3 days, counting them in wars is pointless.

Also getting dupes online was easiest thing, if you already have a dupe inside a family it's most likely you know owner of it and that he is trustworthy person. As someone who had few dupes in a family (not mine but of other tops/trustable high ranks) they were always online when we needed them.

It's actually quote from movie Predator.

Not that I care about you discussion, but judging number of cheaters in family according to number of akills is not smart at all.

In fact we as Vincitori, in version when we had the most cheaters we didn't got 1 akill that version. Then next version we suffered quite some akills even if cheating was reduced by huge mark.
Other example you have Curse, since 2.7 to 2.8a (that's 4 versions) I don't remember them getting akills at all. And it was known they have absurd amount of cheaters. After his retirement zenga even came out with info about his cheating and admins never caught on him.

Akills just show how bad someone is at cheating, or how admins feel about akilling some people. Just go through history and see yourself, families built purely on scripts/dupes rarely got many akills. Usually the ones getting screwed over with akills are the ones who did really bad job at duping or turning script on.

I know people who always had more than one account and never got akill for duping.

Democracy of USA killed quite many people as well.

Putting restrictions on shooting for percentage of online time would be terrible move. It can be abused on so many different ways, and it's pretty obvious why is it so easy to abuse. Same as putting restriction on how much bullets you can shoot each rank.

Any account in this game should be able to die from other ones, especially before they reach highest rank. That's how game was for years, and there's no point changing that. If you died by a suicider as LC or Chief you aren't either 1st or last one that had suicides happen to you.

There are more dynamic ways to make shooting, killing and surviving more interesting and rewarding, but devs need to think further from just keeping old pattern. Imo one of most boring things in this game is double backfire, that thing right there makes game stale. Changing KA's in versions or favoring attackers is just fixing existing problem. Best counter play for double bf is that you hope KA is attacker friendly, shoot 60k and check what's ur luck that day. They should make backfire stronger, but remove double backfire from game imo. There could be options on backfire to make people feel more safe, but double backfire is imo toxic for game play.

Building your account for your plans, so you can't go full offensive and defensive at same time (not just bodyguards), would be nice move in direction of making things more interesting. I still think Rob/Mia, C4 and panic room were moves in right direction but they were given up way too easy and without further exploring what can be done in making accounts more different one from another without just having rp and bullets different on them. There should be way for counter plays from one player to another, that would open so many chances of different game plays, different war planning and different outcomes.
Killing and surviving could be more dynamic with more things brought into the game, making cities and other in game factors more important in whole process.

Whole game needs big overhaul, and if it's done right it could lure new players same as old ones back to it. I think whole spot system is refreshing and even if I don't know much about it, it does seem well thought change.

Yeah that's completely true... Especially for ''newcomer'' he/she can not know about ingames/irc nicks before his time and if he wants to get into Omerta he has to start of something. If new Evil gets 10 pms a day asking why his E is capital instead of L he will pretty much see there's something wrong.

Family names are different imo. If you're starting family you should know at least some ''important'' people, and someone of them should tell you that that family already existed in previous versions and it was kind of a big name then.

I mean imagine some new guys starting some of families that left big marks on versions and people just stopped playing. I mean it would be damn stupid and shameful for people to see Turkish Fumatore or Curse...

Probably yeah, I started playing on very end of 2.2 but didn't know for irc. I knew pretty much all the big names before my time just from talking to other people, but this was 1st time I heard for Silone. Sure it doesn't help that we were on opposite sides in wars most of times. Was that his irc nick or ingame back then?
Cause don't get it wrong, things come and go and unless someone is really well known and constantly using same ingame/irc nick people will forget. Even then there's chance of others taking it.

I mean I know I wasn't 1st Johnny, even though I never met guy who used nick before me (nor I knew much about him, I just know he existed) and after my nick dropped I saw some guy from Turkuz registering it and using it after I retired. It just happens people do it knowingly or without knowing, there is no point to get frustrated about irc/ingame names.

However for families it might be different. If family left it's mark in game it's really rare that someone starts completely new family with old name, that's just asshole move. I doubt there was no one to tell these guys that Odio used to be big name before.

Now that I know, Silone I really never heard for before :p

I played this game for 5 years, knew pretty much anyone who made big name in this game, yet I never heard for Silone. Who was that guy?

You lack vision, you should deep ward enemy jungle as well as your own, that will make you aware of ganks that are coming to you. And remember wards save lives every day, buy a ward save a life.

Krays is one of those families who have different politics for sure and you have huge props from me for that.

When we restarted Vinci in 2.9 I stole a lot about fam politics from what I saw with Krays, and I can say it's one of the best things I saw in this game. I think it's pretty bad that family like yours is always in background of bigger pacts and groups and that you deserve more spotlight than you get as backups and so (and I don't mean this on bad way). Still you always get your 5 minutes to shine, those 5 minutes may not always end good for you but you make them worth it. I really do have respect for way you've been playing all these version, and if there's 1 family that doesn't have ''side'' and that doesn't prefer one side over another it's Krays imo.

As ironcly as it may sound I don't like pacts myself. I tried to move away from that way of playing, when it didn't work I just wanted to stomp some families and retire.

Thing is when you have built fam name, name that's either liked or disliked it's really damn hard to play without big back up. All it takes is few fams having different vision than you and no matter how much you try to be neutral, or how much you try to show others u can play with 5 bloods instead of 8, you simply can't. No matter how many more numbers you have as single family. In the end you will get raped, and that's only that it matters. You just have to decide, will you try to give fun to yourself and members, or 20 others fams while they rip you apart.

I see it as mistake cause from what I see other big families aren't nearly as ready to go away from pact/side play. People on Omerta are unable to start new version as new, they're not mature enough. They shown that over and over again. Anyway if what Vaffa did changes anything on Omerta, except their status of Alive and online in last 5 minutes, I will be 1st one to applaud them and congratulate them as I have many friends there.

Ok Fidelitas is one of those, include Vaffa now. Do you see anyone else really stopping trend of blooding big group of families, or shooting with less than 10 families in 1st real war?

When I say do you see anyone else I mean families like Gravano, Righelli, Leviticus etc. Do you think anyone of them is ready to start every version with blank page and say alright, we wont fight old wars, we wont blood 7-8 fams just cause we can and we wont try to mass gangbang others on start.

If you really believe that then I'm really happy for you and bright future this game has. Hell if game would be played like that I would actually even consider returning to it. Sadly I think chances of that are almost non existing.