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General Comments & Major Rumors
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23:15:11 - 17-10
gode at 21:50:27 on 17/10:
Tibz & Johnny

I'm not crew of Venture, but i'm member till the start of version. it started with 10-15 players, not a big deal compared to mainstream families.

We didn't join 2-3 big wars, the Carneglia shootout and Levi+Turkuz+Gambino vs. others.
Other then those wars, i can read lots of Venture word in war news.

And also i know the war channel, ppl shooting last 60k on targets. Last time i was trying to stop a brug from shooting last 40k bullets. anyways he shot that 40k :)

What do you expect from a fam with that playerbase? If there was KS this version, believe me i was %100 for sure. There seems to be lots of families in top 10, that deserves bashing, not Venture.


Ps: dont get this game that serious bro ^^

Ok just to make something clear, cause I don't think you guys get it.

I am not judging or blaming Venture or calling you guys pussies or whatever. If you're happy how you played, I'm happy too. Not in one of my posts I "trashed" Venture and if you can't see that you have problems with reading.
1st I replied to some Anonyme person claiming ppl don't give you recognition and mentioning how Vinci got recognition and you didn't. I replied to show difference between 2 counters, without using Venture in any negative context.
2nd Elindio (I hope I wrote right) replied again refereeing to Vincitori (how we waited to get shot), and mentioning some ceasefire which tbh I never even heard about or at least I don't remember it, and it didn't involve Vinci in it.

And in the end when you're asking already, maybe you shot a lot, but for who? I don't see any real threats for anyone cause it seems all of top families are able to live in peace, and tbh I see at least one family in top 10 who shot your bloods down. Why don't you rise above other "meaningless" families and try to kill some families, or at least those who shot your bloods...
If your player base and number of ranks remained same for 6 months there's smth seriously wrong with your tops then.

PS. Don't worry I'm not taking game that serious. Maybe that's one of reasons I don't understand why no one of you "top families" is shooting. It's not like anyone will remember your names 1 month after reset if you don't do shit now... Take a chance and do something, better go down with blaze than live with 110 others, if you didn't blood them all already. (And again don't take it personal I'm not talking just about Venture in the last part).
And for god sake no I don't want you dead, no one even cares anymore about this version, ppl just wanna see some action or fun before you bore yourself to death.
14-10 Deathmatch section?
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17:15:19 - 17-10
Rix at 16:16:35 on 17/10:
Anonymous at 16:12:18 on 17/10:
We don't need a .dm version, we need to see some fcking action on .com..

We asked for a VOTD about a reset on .com but those lame admins don't seem to understand it.
So now I'm asking you, beyond, please start a vote for a reset, so we can show the admins it is really time to start making steps for the next version!
I was literally thinking about a poll for "reset?" just 5 min ago so, if I can convince the others, we will have one soon. We just want a few more days for this poll to settle in a bit and get some more votes.

Better ask admins what happened with Reset-o-meter :')
General Comments & Major Rumors
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11:30:47 - 17-10
Anonymous at 07:10:07 on 17/10:
Making wars still is fun. You just have to adept to the new style. You simply have to adjust the style, or way to shoot. If you don't then yes you become a spectator fam like Krays was this round.

Just watch and learn. i.e. Presidential had a nice round with lots of wars. And thats a new fam, so not based on well known player/members base.

If you stick to your old ways of playing this game, you get wiped out, like you proved earlier.

New style is "Hope you are not main target, and then hit back when no one is watching on you". That's not even a style. Most of families have no clue what they're doing, they need someone else to tell them what to do. Look at Top 10 families, you seriously wanna tell me they planed anything? Or that any big and important war that happened was their organization?
Then again do these fams even have enemies or threats? Seems to me all of 100+ families are more than happy with how things go, Most of fams in top 10 aren't even related anyhow if it's not some secret deals and no one is trying to kill other one. They make dreadful long version without even being interesting to watch, with no twists or even wars lol. Only thing Top fams are doing is sitting, waiting for something (god knows what). Number of online players keep dropping and game keeps dying, but it's not lackeys who are killing it, it's this "new style". This is 1st version I see with shitload of fams where n one is trying to shoot. So what are you guys waiting? DIG to rank up again and tell you who next target is? Or Leviticus and Gambino to figure out who they like least of current fams?
General Comments & Major Rumors
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11:13:50 - 17-10
Anonymous at 11:13:18 on 17/10:
ElIndio at 09:35:22 on 17/10:
If we waited 3 months for our first war, you waited 2,5 months (to GET shot). Now slow down.
Ok, yes we waited as whole game did. May I remind you that Vinci (with Marazzino and Vaffanculo) was only fam in top 10 with less than 8 bloods on start of version. If lets say we blooded at least some of fams who offered us that, who would later shoot us, war on start would not even happen. We made mistake by thinking game can be played with 5 bloods.

ElIndio at 09:35:22 on 17/10:
Caliente came to us and offered us to organize a ceasefire (Thanks) and we didn't decline. However in the end a ceasefire with Vincitori was not agreed on.
1st of all your Tops/Members (TheAlbanian?) coming to curse us and threat us cuz we shot Venture, then outraging on OB News with same problems. Then Kurosawa coming to tell us to stop shooting Venture or they'll kill us. Then Marazzino coming to tell us if we stop shooting Venture war will stop. We did decline every offer, cuz once you shoot our bloods you don't come to tell us "Ooops sorry mate, It just happened :/" Even after all other families stopped shooting you Vinci continued with what we had. Until we ran out of bullets completely.

This was me ^^ :p
General Comments & Major Rumors
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13:10:42 - 16-10
Anonymous at 18:51:31 on 13/10:
Countering is part of the game, if venture can get 20 shooters online in 1 hour and kill you then that's great for them, and as i see venture first war they attacked but got countered by Vinci and pres and everyone was saying how great a counter it was, but when venture counters its stupid huh?

People talked about counter back than cuz no one expected Vinci to shoot, day after we shot Violenza, and two weeks after war marathon with god knows how many families. Vinci's counter wasn't big or great and it was only part of actual counter, but it moved some other fams to counter too. That's why ppl talked then about that counter attack back then.
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13:05:07 - 16-10
LL at 16:10:14 on 14/10:
What about making ranking slower again?

Would be cool to rank 2 months and be "just" brug then, it'll avoid too much highranks and too little bullets. And by then, any proper player is loaded on bullets then, and very eager to shoot some.

Agreed!

It's just ridiculous how many brugs fams have today...
08-10 Caliente Getting Shot!
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21:33:29 - 08-10
I haven't been following much lately, so how many fams should be congratulated for winning version? 40 or more?
25-08 Carneglia under heavy attack
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22:05:12 - 30-08
B|Jack at 21:41:58 on 30/08:
xzone and marazzino never become as1, only last version they ranked for sometime in xzone than when vaffanculo fall down they build their fam and after that we never write them as blood.

Weren't you in alliance in 3.1? Memento Marazzino and Xzone (I don't remember name you used).
Also as I know and as some Marazzino tops told me old sis fam of Marazzino Bafra is mostly Xzone?

Though I could be wrong on these things, still I recall Xzone and Marazzino friendship going way back so just this move is very surprising for me at least.
25-08 Carneglia under heavy attack
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01:24:02 - 30-08
Amount of "dirty fights" flowing around reminds me on Omerta's better times...

Truth is dark should learn when to keep his mouth shut, everyone knows that by now. But over all bs he writes now and then he writes something that makes sense... Seems to me that AsFu (or whatever) and Xzone really fucked over Marazzino. Cause tbh it was pretty obvious who next target of Leviticus and DIG is, and I'm sure AsFu tops are clever enough to know that themselves. Noszz words about Marazzino staying put then really makes no sense and his "surprise" by Marazzino action.
What surprises me really is Xzone, if I'm not wrong they were as 1 with Marazzino not so long ago. Really didn't expect to see them on different sides of war.

From really neutral point if view (as I can't care less who'll die and who wont) I can say DIG, Leviticus and Gambino played very well. Ofcourse amount of families in wars and alliances is almost reaching 2.4 (and famous pussypact version). I would make DIG leading group for sure and alliance that played it's best till now. Though I am really anticipating how will things go from now on, when there are no real main threat and will some fams turn against each other (though I could be wrong cuz I am only following game from this site).

However I must say, DIG (now) or Guardians same as Leviticus and Gambino owe a lot to Marazzino. Marazzino kept them alive quite successfully on start of version, when Marazzino hit Conflict while Conflict was in war with Gambino. Or when Marazzino killed Correptio, and in the end with Marazzino rejecting war offers against family's who killed em now while their group wasn't so firm and strong as it is now.

Funny part is Marazzino had this all written to themselves, they could've peaked into future and what it brings to them, but Marazzino decided to stay put for a word to some people who still curse them. With all that happened this version, I can really say that Marazzino is one of most tragic families, almost for a Shakespeare's novel.
25-08 Carneglia under heavy attack
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21:46:54 - 26-08
Ballantines at 21:38:13 on 26/08:
Tibz at 21:32:59 on 26/08:
OMG Ilimitada finally found the manual for removing thumb from anus...
Quite public knowledge they were out to shoot Krays... even 2 months ago, but ofc only a weakened Krays! :')

Why do the opportunistic fams outweigh the Pro-active fams, say 80% to 20% ? :/

*question to them sitting on their bullets for 4 months+ btw *

Hope i don't have to list you... :D


Yeah and Krays only shoots weakend Levi (twice) ;)

I fail to see a point in your remark about Krays.

Both times Krays shot you was cuz you shot at their bloods, and you complain they shoot you after you shot their bloods? Or they should let you recover fully and then challenge you? I really don't get what's your point.

And about Krays, from really most neutral point of view, I think Krays had really terrible bloods selection, almost every war Krays bloods are shooting eachother...
25-08 Carneglia under heavy attack
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18:47:34 - 26-08
I actually wonder how many families from this 20+ who participated in war will go down...
24-08 Trafficante → Fluffy Bunny
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00:56:18 - 25-08
[A]Mikey at 00:38:11 on 25/08:
@ Johnny i dont disagree with somethings u said, but at the same time i must say i dont need to score any points with anyone, My family is up, We already made our bloods an relations before this version even started.

U will have your opinion of traffi and i will have mines, i will also say before this version i didnt like some of there moves they made as a family, but after working close with them this version they showed they keep there words and shoot for bloods.

I only stated that they shot in more wars then people are giving them credit for.

My point exactly.

They aren't getting credit cuz they didn't deserve any credit, not this version not last version. Maybe 5 versions ago but Trafficante never did anything significant in Omerta no matter how strong or weak they were. They only played for others, never for themselves. And when they played on their own they played so damn passive, that no one really understood what they are doing, you don't need more proof than that no one really takes them seriously enough.
You think that deserves credit? I would disagree, moment any of families like this actually starts their own game, I will give them credit.

In the end number of wars doesn't even matter how war-like family is. I get 15 families to shoot with me it's not so hard finding 16th ether. I'm talking about family image and way they got on #1 or #10 spot, and that's without doing anything worth mentioning, and they still aren't doing anything worth mentioning.

Flamers will flame, always. Anonymous will call em pussies and so. What's actually absurd is you telling others that they look n00bish for stating something obvious that whole Omerta knows.
24-08 Trafficante → Fluffy Bunny
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00:15:14 - 25-08
[A]Mikey at 23:15:18 on 24/08:
Lovendetta at 23:03:14 on 24/08:
[A]Mikey at 21:05:09 on 24/08:
Redspeert at 20:46:20 on 24/08:
Trafficante haven't done shit for months, and when they finally do somthing its against a 3brug fam? :'). Whats the point to have a fam when you don't do shit? Or are the tops of Trafficante to glad in their own bullets?

hmm, not many fams have done much in the last few months. but if u want to talk about shooting, i can personally vouch for traffi shooting in many wars this version. just my 2 cents lay off traffi
dunno what you mean with "shooting" but atm im doubting i play same version as you.

when you check top 10 or 20 traffi is one of the least active fams and if you say traffi was in many wars, this version should be very very entertaining.

Just because omertabeyond doesn't say which fams they shot doesn't mean anything.
Traffi is not my family, but i hate when people talk and don't know what they are talking about.
if u still think u know pm me on irc and i can personally name the fams they shot. Stop basing your opinions off what this site says which fams shot who really.. make u seem more noob.

I'm sure you saw movie called "Snatch" and epic scene where Vinny points "Replica" at Bullet Tooth Tonny, now that scene describes like 80% of Omerta families.
With no intention to insult Trafficante (or anyone else), I can honestly say they are fams who are ether too lazy or incapable to make "their own" wars. Most of times they are fams who are more or less good with everyone, who then decide to shoot with the one who has more chance to win. Then even while shooting, they're still talking to opposed families saying, they're sorry to do this but they ____ (insert any good excuse that comes to your mind), and that they have nothing against targeted family, with that trying to make themselves really less of a target for future vendettas.
Now all of that isn't such a bad thing for families who have real clue what they want and know how to use families like Trafficante. While for neutral viewer it's really damn fuckin' hard to find anything to praise Trafficante, cuz their "ninja style" isn't cuz they're so good at shooting it's cuz they shoot few in already hell of a group, then even if "targeted" fam spots them, they are already making good background story and why they had to shoot.
Simply with that, families with this kind of play style will hardly earn any respect, simply cuz they never make their own moves. They're happy to find someone and be their good war dogs.
So counting number of wars in which Trafficante shot is utterly pointless, cuz they didn't do a thing really, apart from 1st war vs that small family. Trafficante isn't king in this game of chess, Trafficante was and still is only pawn for other kings. Even as #1 they'll fail to make their own wars, cuz everyone is friend to them and they have no "killer instinct" and winning mentality.

Now I understand your need to say a few words for Trafficante [A]Mikey, cuz if I remember well you are one of their bloods. So by defending Trafficante, making them look war-like family (which lets not lie, everyone likes to hear about themselves) buys you easy points with em. It's really ok but anyone who played this game long enough knows each family and their play style before even seeing what they did.
21-07 A lot vs Turkuz
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01:40:31 - 24-07
1st of all BoHeM when I say You I usually mean Turkuz not You as BoHeM (cuz tbh I have no idea who you are, but I guess you are Turkuz top). You as top of Turkuz represent whole family.

BoHeM at 21:31:35 on 23/07:
I think talking like a gentelman was my fault.I can see your heart ulser from here.yes mate you lost the version like me.and pls stop crying.did you hear my crying?

It's not problem about way you talk, problem is about what you talk. You're saying Vincitori attacked Turkuz, which is complete lie.
Further more I'm not crying I'm pointing out on stupid things and contradictions you wrote yourself. I'm pretty damn happy about way we lost version, and way this version is going I think only families who died (on way that pleases them) can be happy.


BoHeM at 21:31:35 on 23/07:
I know a lot fam have dupe and share accounts.last version vaffan wasnt killed because of poker bug.for ex.and vinci's scratch script.we had same things I accept.but admins were much busy with us.and finally.we died I agree but like vaffan1 grav and vinci and krays and firenze bla bla.this is only game

Each family has cheaters, each family gets akills. Difference is most of families don't cry about it, call admins racists, write on fam page that they'll retire cuz Admins akilled em for cheating.
That's my point, I don't care are you #1 cheating fam or #101. Just accept penalty for cheating as man. Don't go yell that you died cuz admins hate you, if you didn't cheat at 1st place you wouldn't be akilled.

BoHeM at 21:31:35 on 23/07:
and pls return to word.did you hear any country name when I wrote somethings?Im a turk and your a x.I dont interest.everyone know that Im a enemy of nuevitas and affi team forever.fato lucehhese bla bla.I dont need your invite to your pact.you can want to join to me.I ll reject %100.and I must add that.I didnt see never this game a countries war .I worked with illi gamb and levi.yea somebody can think us racist because of our name.bulgaria?think pls.I havent got any problem with dutch bulgarian american or others.we r equal part of heaven world.but I feel a lot of omerta players hate from turks.I hate some turks like you.a lot of them must go to .tr for ex swat vengeance team.brainless ones.suiciders..

Now what you wrote here is complete nonsense.
1st of all I don't hate Turks. Anyone who knows me even a bit knows that.
2nd Who ever mentioned nationalities. I don't even see what are you trying to prove saying you have no problems with other nations. Ofc you don't only idiots consider nation important.
3rd Read up at top of my post. When I said You, I meant your tops. Maybe you know a guy named erinc. He had nice chit-chat with me while we were up.

BoHeM at 21:31:35 on 23/07:
but feel my power mate, feel my mind, feel my bravery,(turkuz crew have 4 machine engineers and a doctor and some teachers and a lot of elite univ. students) and respect me.or stop to talk like a child.I respect to my enemies(enemy only in game)I dislike polemics.I do my job.

I don't need to feel or care for your power or bravery or super awesomeness. I'm glad you have so many successful people playing in your family. My remark was about that generally your family speaks very poor English, and most of your talks are hard to understand. Maybe try using Enter button few times when you write longer posts, or dot and comma so it's easier to read. Do less kiLLing words and random big leTTeRs in miDdLe of words and you made first big step. Ofcourse emo quits on your fam page should go.

BoHeM at 21:31:35 on 23/07:
vio gamb and levi died mate.I m pactless death:) I could join to maraz team for ex

So you're saying your old pact died and you refused to join new one? Gee that's really for respect... If only you didn't add families who killed your "pact" as bloods.

PS. I am really showing you as much respect as I can. I wouldn't even care to read your long post if I didn't notice Vincitori name in it. Now when you talk about my family, I kind of have to answer to you. I can turn blind on many things, but Turkuz guy giving lectures about how he "pwned" us that's a bit too much...
21-07 A lot vs Turkuz
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13:04:27 - 23-07
Blast from the past:
BoHeM on Bulgaira + UT vs Turkuz war at 12/06:
we r also have a powerful pact with vio gamb and levi and dominated the version.you ll see our next projects and ll talk much.
and then
BoHeM at 10:15:05 on 23/07:
we could play with you or another big pact ot team.we said that all times; if turkuz here, bravery mind truth ll be here.
You just wrote there you have a pact...

Make up your mind about it already :')
21-07 A lot vs Turkuz
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12:24:32 - 23-07
BoHeM at 10:15:05 on 23/07:
after 3 day
some vincitori and gravano families helped vaffan and others killed turkuz ..and admins helped too :D I wanna explain what we did in 3.2..
vafffan, gravano, vincitori,manson,ut,bulgaria,firenze,krays our victims.and these fams shooted us in this war.and we did our best over than 55 brug r killed..some fams must learn how a fam is deffenced and how a fam can fight..

krays and others > turkuz co war wasnt suprise for us after we killed firenze or after levi maraz war.somebody can say you r noob why did you help to kuro.or why did you write blood them.beeing blood with kuro was our 1. fault of us.this is true.but if we write we help to my blood.this turkuz style.
anadolu and kuro fams r the yavsak fams of the version.and they ll die like a pussy.Im sure.but people ll remember turkuz honourable fam of the version.

vafffan, gravano, vincitori,manson,ut,bulgaria,firenze,krays ty for fun we did our job and you did same.we tried to hard one.we could choose beeing pussy or easy one.we could play with you or another big pact ot team.we said that all times; if turkuz here, bravery mind truth ll be here.ty you my dear fam..and my brave members.I love you.a lot of fam said that we rocked the version.BUT WE ROCKED THE VERSION.

R.I.P all sides ty:w

lol get a grip, Vincitori never shot on you, fact that I found out this war happened now says how much Vincitori is active. I don't see what need you have to bring Vinci name in this war.

Admins helped anyone? Dude Turkuz is famous for sharing/duping. I don't see why you whine that admins are against you when you log in on friend's accounts every war like it's no big deal.

Pacts? Joining in one? Wait what?
Do you actually believe in what you're writing here? Vincitori had only 5 bloods, we didn't let any blood die to "swap" it with new one. We didn't pick new fams to add them in our "great alliance" unlike you.
Or bigger pact? How bigger pact you want lol? You were replacing bloods, adding new ones as soon as someone would die, you blooded dozens of fams and for final touch your tops even claimed here you are in the pact with Leviticus Violenza and Gambino while they were alive.

You could play with us? In what version? Not even if we all learn turkish and start gen.tr.
Your tops came to me to offer to make peace but than said your pact(aka bloods) doesn't agree, and you didn't want to play with us?... We wouldn't play with you in a million years mate, so don't bother.

First of all your family needs to learn not to cry about every single admin kill, not to write capital L in middle words like morons (I dunno who lied to you but it really doesn't make you look cool), to get tops who actually speak English not some unholy mix of languages And for God's sake don't write you'll retire on family page if you wont cuz it makes you look pathetic.
30-06 Looking for family history
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22:27:14 - 02-07
Rix at 16:31:31 on 02/07:
Pils at 23:40:06 on 01/07:
How did Nazdrovia get on that list? :')
This is how.

Haha pure gold!
27-06 Liberta+ ↔ DIG
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12:22:46 - 29-06
knife at 02:24:06 on 29/06:
johnny, before it goes more dirty let me post you last time,

yeah of course violenza has more tops from me that was not our point just try to understand with your fucking mind what im writing here.i'm telling you i dont know who talked to you but if ONE crew inside of violenza offered to blood with vincitori that would be REJECTED by other violenza crews and about communication let me tell you Adolf can be my friend even irl but he is not running violenza alone and never ruined. so really i dont care what he talked you or you licked him he licked you not my business. real is he never offered in crew to blood with Vincitori. keep it in your mind and do not write in this event again cuz you make yourself stupid :)

Idd one of your founders asking me to be bloods, without rest of your top knowing for it. That makes me look stupid!
Again I don't really mind would your crew agree or not, guess will never find that out as I didn't agree with Adolf. If Adolf thought it wouldn't happen, he for sure wouldn't come to ask me that.

knife at 02:24:06 on 29/06:
i have answers for you everytime but you always writing same posts you can check your last 3 comment :D

I'm answering you with same stuff cuz you fail to respond on them with proper answers, you wrote complete bs every damn time. Hell I don't even need your answers I just need you to shut up and think before you act next time.
In your previous posts you said bunch of things which aren't even true, or which make no sense at all. So think about that before you reply to me again.
27-06 Liberta+ ↔ DIG
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23:25:46 - 28-06
knife at 18:09:37 on 28/06:
lol thats funny :D i didnt asked to be bloods and it never discussed inside of violenza i dont know who asked that bullshit to you :D and be sure if one crew tells like ' i arranged to be bloods with vincitori ' it would be rejected by crew and again if we interested to be bloods with vincitori simpy i'd ask you when you was telling me ' it would be better killing small families together, i hate when small families come and won version when we killing eachother '

knife my friend...
Last time I checked Violenza had more tops than just you, maybe you can ask Adolf what he offered me on version start. So imo if you don't know your "crew" came to ask Vinci for bloods, it's problem in communication between your crew. Feel free to pm me on irc to show you I'm not lying (again, even if you didn't pm 1st time).

knife at 18:09:37 on 28/06:
nah you missing point our member had IDEA to build a fam with your member liar, so he wanted to take him safe when he saws shooting and wanted to took him from vincitori so that can not be recruit imo.

And again you missed it knife.
Your member tried to save Vinci guy who's fam you were killing, so he can join some other fam later. He offered him to leave Vinci and joing Violenza so he can stay safe. I dunno how you call that, but in my book that's recruiting.


Reflexive
bs words as he usually writes
Dear Reflexive
I don't really wanna go into a discussion with you, cuz probably I know your style of talking better than anyone here as you were Top in Affinitas (thank God that's over huh?).
I know your only way of talking is to insult people around, as that's prolly only thing you're good at. Besides all that you could be quite normal and cool guy I'm sorry that you don't act like that more often.
This one time I'll make an exception and answer your post even if it's not worth commenting.

Vincitori is far from perfect (how can family with sinbad and vc be perfect?), Vinci has dozen of flaws and it's just on of many families in game. What makes me wonder (which was point of this whole discussion) is why you had need to mention Vinci or Vinci tops in hijack of Liberta. That's how whole Vinci talk started. I have no intention to show Vinci in golden shine, far from it. Vinci isn't "saint" family, but who is. At least we don't try to blame others when our "dirty" play goes bad...
Also for more information back when Adolf asked me to be bloods, you weren't even top of Violenza, you were still trying to put up Myrmidons.

And for the end I have to agree I think knife would have better time doing 31 (slang for masturbation on turkish) than replying on my comments.
27-06 Liberta+ ↔ DIG
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knife at 17:18:05 on 28/06:
first of all if we shooted liberta's 3 blood, they would know it was coming and it was better they didnt ask us blood, right?

If you planed this and knew it was coming why you asked Vincitori for bloods? It says more about you than Liberta...

knife at 17:18:05 on 28/06:
nothing with confusing, you just wanting to confuse here xD cuz its clear, and let me tell you in easy way again, that liar was a friend of our trustable member he asked if he can took him to violenza to other violenza crews cuz this guy gonna be play with him in his own family bla bla so other violenza crews accepted it and im telling you all happen without my knowledge.

And again you miss my point.
Your member asked Vincitori member while your family was shooting Vincitori to leave Vinci and join your family. Last time I checked it's called recruiting from other family.
And my point was we didn't "infiltrate" our guy in Vio as part of big plan, we just told him to accept your invite.