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04-07 The Stabbening
Author: Fenrir
Last updated: 3475d 4h 7m 4s ago by Johnx
Comments: 259
Views: 72,413
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Version: 4.7.5
Involved families: Ponies, Sangreal, Siberia, Marazzino
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After a week of rumours and general distrust between the powerhouses of this version, Siberia hits Marazzino.
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Siberia Top statement:
Well, this is an unpleasant turn in this already boring version.
In the beginning of the version we had interesting and promising talks with Marazzino.
One of the subjects was the endgame. Marazzino claimed to not be hungry for the HOF and asked us not to be hunting it either, mentioning how we’ve had some “minor” issues with that in the past.
We agreed, and we honestly didn’t care all too much about it, both of us won before and it didn’t matter much who would get it.
<~Ari> don't get me wrong I'm not saying you are stabbers or untrustworthy, all I'm saying is if everything works out and we see the end together
<~Ari> both you and us have potential to be point wise big
<~Ari> I don't want it getting messy

Then as the version proceeded we had more and more issues with the incredibly locked version because of mass-blooding and NSA’s that didn’t even make sense.
When we were in war with Unholy, Lusa, Persico and Cifuentes, Marazzino recruited all their runners and even threatened us that they will shoot back if we continue shooting the families that were planning on us for a long time.

We let them live and continued our bloodship with Marazzino.

A few days later, before Maraz went down, there were a couple of rumors on Beyond about our detectives spot.
It was on 70m profit, and it took a lot of time for Maraz to realize that we OWN a detectives spot, so like any other spot we could only reset it once a week.
No matter what we’ve said or what we’ve shown them to prove we weren’t doing anything against them (we trusted them, duh), Marazzino kept threatening us and started hiring massively on us.
10 talks and 20 threats later, we agreed to stop this nonsense and end the version together.
Then, Maraz got akilled, and they lost their #1 position. Out of a sudden, the entire “not caring about winning” conversation turned out to be a load of bullcrap.
Maraz went to multiple families, begging for highranks and money “so Siberia can’t win the HOF”.
At that point it was just too much.
We’ve taken a lot of shit this version, compared to the last one we’ve been very tolerant about a lot of moves that shouldn’t by far be accepted by anyone, but all we were looking for was a long lasting relationship with a decent family.
Obviously Marazzino wasn’t any material to be this kind of family.
It’s a shame it has to go like this, but we also have our dignity.
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War started on: 13:58:04 04-07-2015 War ended on: 13:58:04 05-07-2015
Bullet difference: -15,102,044 War duration: 1d 0h 0m
Money difference: -$993,563,159 Players died: 134




deaths
Dead Families:
[Ponies] Family down on 09:07 05-07
[Marazzino] Family down on 06:38 05-07
Deaths per family:
Sw As LC Ch Br CD GF Points
Marazzino | swin: 2 | assa: 2 | lc: 7 | chief: 5 | brug: 68 | cd: 0 | gf: 1 | points: 1,003
Ponies | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 1 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 5
Siberia | swin: 3 | assa: 0 | lc: 2 | chief: 0 | brug: 7 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 108
Total | swin: 5 | assa: 2 | lc: 10 | chief: 5 | brug: 75 | cd: 0 | gf: 1 | points: 1,116
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Anonymous (10:24:24 - 05-07)
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"but all we were looking for was a long lasting relationship with a decent family."

You've had 2 of those decent families within a long lasting relationship but that is ruined by the greed for power and HOF within Siberia. Maybe the way of playing last 4-5 versions gave Marazzino the thought of dumping Siberia anyway. Since Siberia is always having too much greed for HOF. I do think that this war would've been happening anyway. Why the hell would you ever accept all those 'shit things' you have taken this version, which were like unacceptable, as you say yourself. It's your own greedy style of playing which causes other families to constantly keeping an eye on your actions/moves. Even though you are blooded with them. Remember last version, poor Casappa/Agnitio/Nyanya, puppets to weaken Anarchy so Siberia could get one last try to get the HOF. Then call Anarchy backstabbers when they banged Siberia.. Right. I think you should change the way of blooding and loyalty towards friendly families. What you give is what you get..
Da Facts (10:20:55 - 05-07)
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Anonymous at 08:11:44 on 05/07:
Anonymous at 07:52:53 on 05/07:
Anonymous at 03:07:37 on 05/07:
bafrali\0ff at 01:54:41 on 05/07:
For Murderinc and Critycal,

Arguments doesnt go anyhwere since if science is not the topic. For hours we can talk about without any satiscation. So i wont go like that. Shortly i will try to say here my thougths without trying to go deeper and deeper, cus can be missed the real picture

your argument based on we didnt want HOF ( Like we promised and u blooded for that reason )and was greedy for it. No, We wanted HOF after Phonix war, You call it greedy, i call it that having an indea trying to get a position that we deserved. Briefly, Our way was recruiting 5 persons, your way was shooting us.
Anyway rip Maraz and gratz to Siberia

WTB the war chan with lusa to shoot siberia?
WTB the fams that you asked to shoot siberia?
WTB the fams that you asked for money/brugs?
WTB the threat when siberia was killing the runners?
You should not ruin a perfectly good whine with minor details. ;-)

Maraz acted like twats and got what they deserved.

Agreed, they got what they deserved. None of the families should accept shit like this.

you r missing the points dude, all the stuff which were made by maraz, happened days ago. then where were your mighty siberia in these days ? killing a fam with admin support means nothing...
it would be an equal war if siberia has hot maraz when there were 1 gf and 12 cds ;)
feist Portugal (09:03:46 - 05-07)
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rafaz at 03:40:48 on 05/07:

Stop this nonsence discussion this is just a game!

Great version for both families, well played :)

Peace
!stab rafaz
Anonymous (08:11:44 - 05-07)
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Anonymous at 07:52:53 on 05/07:
Anonymous at 03:07:37 on 05/07:
bafrali\0ff at 01:54:41 on 05/07:
For Murderinc and Critycal,

Arguments doesnt go anyhwere since if science is not the topic. For hours we can talk about without any satiscation. So i wont go like that. Shortly i will try to say here my thougths without trying to go deeper and deeper, cus can be missed the real picture

your argument based on we didnt want HOF ( Like we promised and u blooded for that reason )and was greedy for it. No, We wanted HOF after Phonix war, You call it greedy, i call it that having an indea trying to get a position that we deserved. Briefly, Our way was recruiting 5 persons, your way was shooting us.
Anyway rip Maraz and gratz to Siberia

WTB the war chan with lusa to shoot siberia?
WTB the fams that you asked to shoot siberia?
WTB the fams that you asked for money/brugs?
WTB the threat when siberia was killing the runners?
You should not ruin a perfectly good whine with minor details. ;-)

Maraz acted like twats and got what they deserved.

Agreed, they got what they deserved. None of the families should accept shit like this.
Anonymous (07:52:53 - 05-07)
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Anonymous at 03:07:37 on 05/07:
bafrali\0ff at 01:54:41 on 05/07:
For Murderinc and Critycal,

Arguments doesnt go anyhwere since if science is not the topic. For hours we can talk about without any satiscation. So i wont go like that. Shortly i will try to say here my thougths without trying to go deeper and deeper, cus can be missed the real picture

your argument based on we didnt want HOF ( Like we promised and u blooded for that reason )and was greedy for it. No, We wanted HOF after Phonix war, You call it greedy, i call it that having an indea trying to get a position that we deserved. Briefly, Our way was recruiting 5 persons, your way was shooting us.
Anyway rip Maraz and gratz to Siberia

WTB the war chan with lusa to shoot siberia?
WTB the fams that you asked to shoot siberia?
WTB the fams that you asked for money/brugs?
WTB the threat when siberia was killing the runners?
You should not ruin a perfectly good whine with minor details. ;-)

Maraz acted like twats and got what they deserved.
Anonymous (07:22:02 - 05-07)
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CryAllYouWant at 06:44:35 on 05/07:
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Marraz is down ... and yeah .. i have no probs whit them , but it would be a shame if they where the winners of this version , after the tops where Akilled

a lot good players and fams are screwed by the cheaters , once again ...

good job siberia !
CryAllYouWant (06:44:35 - 05-07)
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Anonymous (05:29:51 - 05-07)
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MurderInc at 05:19:38 on 05/07:
Anonymous at 05:14:05 on 05/07:
MurderInc at 01:16:18 on 05/07:
Anonymous at 00:55:52 on 05/07:
Last version Siberia had a non-shoot/bloodship with Anarchy to 'survive' until the end then cried when they got shot. This version they did the EXACT same thing but the 'other side' with Marazzino instead of Vizzini (to survive until the end) only this time they did the stabbing. Oh, hey... they don't care for HoF either right? Bullshit! HoF has ruined this game.

We were bloods from the get-go and we were shot, we didn't shoot. We never were in a position to take the win that version, never tried to, and it wasn't the reason Anarchy shot us (the reason was, in fact, us not accepting a late-version as1'ing and wanting to down a family that helped kill our bloods, so much for your theory on us fucking our bloods.)

We've obviously done some dirty moves in the past, but we tried to play as clean as possible in the last 3 and never had to do anything like this before. In fact, we never shot a blood directly before this as far as I can remember. It's a shame it happened, but we have our limits.

By your comments you clearly ARE NOT denying the fact that you had non-shoot agreements with both of the stronger fams in the last two versions to go deeper into the version to place yourself in a position to stab. So...you were HAPPY to have a NON-SHOOT agreement in both versions and the STAB justifies that choice.

Well articulated. A great way to earn trust...

To quote you own words "We've obviously done some dirty moves in the past". You can add this version to your playing record. Seriously, Siberia is a piece of shit - you mold that piece of shit into a cup-cake but you're still going to be a piece of shit.

Well Stabbed, worst of luck next verison I will take great pleasure in reading your name in the Last 10 Dead Families.

BREAKING NEWS: SIBERIA AND ANARCHY WERE BLOODS IN 4.74. I REPEAT: SOURCES CONFIRM THAT SIBERIA AND ANARCHY WERE BLOODS IN 4.74.

Seriously though, I don't know whose comment you read, but it mustn't have been mine. Where did I imply that we blooded Anarchy (or Marazzino, for that matter) just to stab them? Saying we were planning to do that to Anarchy last version us utterly ridiculous and shows that you seem to have no understanding of game politics at all.

I must have READ THIS SITE. It's full of shit everywhere. PHP by... & MurderInc... Oops, I'm sorry.

It's the new Siberian angle, you want other families to join you until the end and bow before you. Stop defending yourself and your families actions.

You can choose to comment further but I will not waste energy and lower myself to your level by way of reply.

!nextversion

Anonymous (05:24:37 - 05-07)
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Glad to see Maraz gets screwed BY bloods and not screwing them for a change.

I agree with Redspeert for once, hard to feel sorry for them.
MurderInc Austria (05:19:38 - 05-07)
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Anonymous at 05:14:05 on 05/07:
MurderInc at 01:16:18 on 05/07:
Anonymous at 00:55:52 on 05/07:
Last version Siberia had a non-shoot/bloodship with Anarchy to 'survive' until the end then cried when they got shot. This version they did the EXACT same thing but the 'other side' with Marazzino instead of Vizzini (to survive until the end) only this time they did the stabbing. Oh, hey... they don't care for HoF either right? Bullshit! HoF has ruined this game.

We were bloods from the get-go and we were shot, we didn't shoot. We never were in a position to take the win that version, never tried to, and it wasn't the reason Anarchy shot us (the reason was, in fact, us not accepting a late-version as1'ing and wanting to down a family that helped kill our bloods, so much for your theory on us fucking our bloods.)

We've obviously done some dirty moves in the past, but we tried to play as clean as possible in the last 3 and never had to do anything like this before. In fact, we never shot a blood directly before this as far as I can remember. It's a shame it happened, but we have our limits.

By your comments you clearly ARE NOT denying the fact that you had non-shoot agreements with both of the stronger fams in the last two versions to go deeper into the version to place yourself in a position to stab. So...you were HAPPY to have a NON-SHOOT agreement in both versions and the STAB justifies that choice.

Well articulated. A great way to earn trust...

To quote you own words "We've obviously done some dirty moves in the past". You can add this version to your playing record. Seriously, Siberia is a piece of shit - you mold that piece of shit into a cup-cake but you're still going to be a piece of shit.

Well Stabbed, worst of luck next verison I will take great pleasure in reading your name in the Last 10 Dead Families.

BREAKING NEWS: SIBERIA AND ANARCHY WERE BLOODS IN 4.74. I REPEAT: SOURCES CONFIRM THAT SIBERIA AND ANARCHY WERE BLOODS IN 4.74.

Seriously though, I don't know whose comment you read, but it mustn't have been mine. Where did I imply that we blooded Anarchy (or Marazzino, for that matter) just to stab them? Saying we were planning to do that to Anarchy last version us utterly ridiculous and shows that you seem to have no understanding of game politics at all.
Anonymous (05:14:05 - 05-07)
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MurderInc at 01:16:18 on 05/07:
Anonymous at 00:55:52 on 05/07:
Last version Siberia had a non-shoot/bloodship with Anarchy to 'survive' until the end then cried when they got shot. This version they did the EXACT same thing but the 'other side' with Marazzino instead of Vizzini (to survive until the end) only this time they did the stabbing. Oh, hey... they don't care for HoF either right? Bullshit! HoF has ruined this game.

We were bloods from the get-go and we were shot, we didn't shoot. We never were in a position to take the win that version, never tried to, and it wasn't the reason Anarchy shot us (the reason was, in fact, us not accepting a late-version as1'ing and wanting to down a family that helped kill our bloods, so much for your theory on us fucking our bloods.)

We've obviously done some dirty moves in the past, but we tried to play as clean as possible in the last 3 and never had to do anything like this before. In fact, we never shot a blood directly before this as far as I can remember. It's a shame it happened, but we have our limits.

By your comments you clearly ARE NOT denying the fact that you had non-shoot agreements with both of the stronger fams in the last two versions to go deeper into the version to place yourself in a position to stab. So...you were HAPPY to have a NON-SHOOT agreement in both versions and the STAB justifies that choice.

Well articulated. A great way to earn trust...

To quote you own words "We've obviously done some dirty moves in the past". You can add this version to your playing record. Seriously, Siberia is a piece of shit - you mold that piece of shit into a cup-cake but you're still going to be a piece of shit.

Well Stabbed, worst of luck next verison I will take great pleasure in reading your name in the Last 10 Dead Families.

Anonymous (03:43:19 - 05-07)
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rafaz dont like it stop reading it geez anyways and yes we said it
rafaz Portugal (03:40:48 - 05-07)
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Stop this nonsence discussion this is just a game!

Great version for both families, well played :)

Peace
MurderInc Austria (03:11:43 - 05-07)
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inf` at 03:08:38 on 05/07:
You're all fucking idiots c'mon now lads
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inf` Netherlands (03:08:38 - 05-07)
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You're all fucking idiots c'mon now lads
Anonymous (03:07:37 - 05-07)
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bafrali\0ff at 01:54:41 on 05/07:
For Murderinc and Critycal,

Arguments doesnt go anyhwere since if science is not the topic. For hours we can talk about without any satiscation. So i wont go like that. Shortly i will try to say here my thougths without trying to go deeper and deeper, cus can be missed the real picture

your argument based on we didnt want HOF ( Like we promised and u blooded for that reason )and was greedy for it. No, We wanted HOF after Phonix war, You call it greedy, i call it that having an indea trying to get a position that we deserved. Briefly, Our way was recruiting 5 persons, your way was shooting us.
Anyway rip Maraz and gratz to Siberia

WTB the war chan with lusa to shoot siberia?
WTB the fams that you asked to shoot siberia?
WTB the fams that you asked for money/brugs?
WTB the threat when siberia was killing the runners?
Redspeert Syrian Arab Republic (02:28:03 - 05-07)
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Siberia stabbing bloods? What a suprise. Although I have a very hard time feeling sorry for marazzino.
bafrali\0ff (01:54:41 - 05-07)
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For Murderinc and Critycal,

Arguments doesnt go anyhwere since if science is not the topic. For hours we can talk about without any satiscation. So i wont go like that. Shortly i will try to say here my thougths without trying to go deeper and deeper, cus can be missed the real picture

your argument based on we didnt want HOF ( Like we promised and u blooded for that reason )and was greedy for it. No, We wanted HOF after Phonix war, You call it greedy, i call it that having an indea trying to get a position that we deserved. Briefly, Our way was recruiting 5 persons, your way was shooting us.
Anyway rip Maraz and gratz to Siberia
MurderInc Austria (01:16:18 - 05-07)
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bafrali\0ff at 00:47:21 on 05/07:
[*At first stage of the game, we didnt care or had a talk about HOF and just we aimed to kill Vizzini and succeed without much damage and we were #1. We got suicied by Phonix and killed them by aids of our bloods. still we were #1 depite we lost 14 brugs and 21 chiefs in total till that stage. We have started to think we could win HOF.
Just wanted to correct this fact, you dropped to #3 after Phoenix shot you:
2015-06-20 11:47:03 Famposition #3 (Phoenix shot previous night)
2015-06-25 11:47:12 Famposition #1 (Siberia shot Lusa/Persico/Unholy previous night)

Anyway, I can understand you being angry and calling this a stab, and obviously shooting a blood is always dirty, but we were simply at a point where we felt we had taken enough shit like this (with the highlights being the approximately 30 brugs you recruited from fams we shot or that shot us (I counted too), the hiring on us, and finally the deal for money and brugs you made because you feared we would merge with Sangreal to get the HOF.

Also, while it is true that we recruited members after your akill, it's not comparable to your deal since we a) always start random-recruiting lowranks late in the version and b) didn't invite any highranks. You can't really blame us for trying to expand or memberbase, and I bet most of those recruits weren't your core playerbase anyway.

It's unfortunate that the akills happened and this had to escalate, obviously everyone will claim this would've happened anyway or that we caused the akills so it's all staberias fault, but yeah, whatcha gonna do.

Anonymous at 00:55:52 on 05/07:
Last version Siberia had a non-shoot/bloodship with Anarchy to 'survive' until the end then cried when they got shot. This version they did the EXACT same thing but the 'other side' with Marazzino instead of Vizzini (to survive until the end) only this time they did the stabbing. Oh, hey... they don't care for HoF either right? Bullshit! HoF has ruined this game.
We were bloods from the get-go and we were shot, we didn't shoot. We never were in a position to take the win that version, never tried to, and it wasn't the reason Anarchy shot us (the reason was, in fact, us not accepting a late-version as1'ing and wanting to down a family that helped kill our bloods, so much for your theory on us fucking our bloods.)

We've obviously done some dirty moves in the past, but we tried to play as clean as possible in the last 3 and never had to do anything like this before. In fact, we never shot a blood directly before this as far as I can remember. It's a shame it happened, but we have our limits.
Anonymous (01:07:56 - 05-07)
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Anonymous at 01:06:01 on 05/07:
News??? Marazzino spend all version planning with lusa shooting Siberia but they didnt havê the balls or fams enought to do it, só after seeing logs of mara tops asking for brugs and money to other fams what was suppusoe to do? Imo siberia hás taking shit from marazz all version, and if they had the chance, they whould shoot sib like i saw them in a war chan rdy to hire on sib but was canceled

So well played by siberia that putted marazz alone(killing the possible shooters like persico/unholy/lusa) and when they think they whould be quiet, they start recruiting everyone to win hof.

Gratz sib
İ'm not sad about those homos also "lusa". Cause ı believe they've found themself a great blood, to bad Homozzino going to retire, They might achieve some shit together in the future. Sad, just sad.