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Akills sometimes occur at the worst times imaginable and often have a great impact on the server outcome. What do you think should happen in cases like these?
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Anonymous (18:29:46 - 17-01)
Considering that the 3 CDs had over 2.1mil bullets shot, meaning they had close to 30 brug kills. That is without even taking into consideration the other 3 brugs that got akilled. So yes it made a massive difference in the last two wars. All those that they killed should be revived imo.
Anonymous at 16:57:41 on 17/01:
When talking about the 'effect' cheating has on the game or the amount of people being affected by this, what are your standards?
I see these people could have had a huge effect on the outcome of this version and an even bigger amount of people being affected indirectly. Let me state an example:
This game has about 500 players who reach bruglione around the time of first war, a part of which isn't even active. When you talk about 20 bruglione+ kills you talk about around 5% of the game directly being killed by cheaters. I know for a fact those accounts also missed shots and were hit while surviving. Because of that those accounts also lost bullets, bodyguards and money. On top of that, the best accounts of Siberia/Aeterna/Colossal have been hunting those top Avaritia accounts which caused other Avaritia brugliones to shoot freely on your families. Also those Avaritia top accounts downed some of the top accounts of the families that were shot at. Accounts that would normally be able to sit on don position for a long time.
I am quite sure you can say over 10% of this game is directly or indirectly affected by the cheating of those 7 akilled people, mainly because of the fact those accounts were very strong accounts. The same goes for last version where Lusa people were akilled, these CDs would still be up and defending their spots if none had akilled them. ;)
MurderInc at 15:46:45 on 17/01:
I think some transparency would go a long way. For example, this is what the crew on .dm does for every akill:
It might be a good idea to even automate the process of revives - whenever some account gets akilled, admins immediately make the decision which of his kills are entitled to get a revive, and whenever one of the affected account logs in, he has the option to revive his previous account. I imagine this would even save the crew a lot of work in the long run, since right now whenever we see akills for top accounts, they receive tons of mails from people who don't actually know who killed them, which they then have to check as well.
And of course, get rid of the silly 3 days limit for revives (which seems to get ignored by most of the crew already anyway.)
Rollbacks, imo, should be used only for fuck-ups on an epic scale; something that leaves the version in a state players can't be expected to continue playing. While the akills on Avaritia surely had some effect on the outcome of the last two wars, we're probably talking about 20 brug+ kills spread over 2-3 families (mine included, by the way), so a rollback doesn't seem appropriate to me. You ought to weigh the injustice those families have experienced against the injustice a rollback would cause to those who shot with legitimate accounts as well.
Additionally, since we don't (officially) know the reason for those akills, it's not even clear what kind of effect their cheating had on the outcome of the war. While I would absolutely agree that duping could have an effect, if they were "only" akilled for something like sharing accounts, I don't think anyone could argue this would have completely altered the war results.
I think some transparency would go a long way. For example, this is what the crew on .dm does for every akill:
It might be a good idea to even automate the process of revives - whenever some account gets akilled, admins immediately make the decision which of his kills are entitled to get a revive, and whenever one of the affected account logs in, he has the option to revive his previous account. I imagine this would even save the crew a lot of work in the long run, since right now whenever we see akills for top accounts, they receive tons of mails from people who don't actually know who killed them, which they then have to check as well.
And of course, get rid of the silly 3 days limit for revives (which seems to get ignored by most of the crew already anyway.)
Rollbacks, imo, should be used only for fuck-ups on an epic scale; something that leaves the version in a state players can't be expected to continue playing. While the akills on Avaritia surely had some effect on the outcome of the last two wars, we're probably talking about 20 brug+ kills spread over 2-3 families (mine included, by the way), so a rollback doesn't seem appropriate to me. You ought to weigh the injustice those families have experienced against the injustice a rollback would cause to those who shot with legitimate accounts as well.
Additionally, since we don't (officially) know the reason for those akills, it's not even clear what kind of effect their cheating had on the outcome of the war. While I would absolutely agree that duping could have an effect, if they were "only" akilled for something like sharing accounts, I don't think anyone could argue this would have completely altered the war results.
When talking about the 'effect' cheating has on the game or the amount of people being affected by this, what are your standards?
I see these people could have had a huge effect on the outcome of this version and an even bigger amount of people being affected indirectly. Let me state an example:
This game has about 500 players who reach bruglione around the time of first war, a part of which isn't even active. When you talk about 20 bruglione+ kills you talk about around 5% of the game directly being killed by cheaters. I know for a fact those accounts also missed shots and were hit while surviving. Because of that those accounts also lost bullets, bodyguards and money. On top of that, the best accounts of Siberia/Aeterna/Colossal have been hunting those top Avaritia accounts which caused other Avaritia brugliones to shoot freely on your families. Also those Avaritia top accounts downed some of the top accounts of the families that were shot at. Accounts that would normally be able to sit on don position for a long time.
I am quite sure you can say over 10% of this game is directly or indirectly affected by the cheating of those 7 akilled people, mainly because of the fact those accounts were very strong accounts. The same goes for last version where Lusa people were akilled, these CDs would still be up and defending their spots if none had akilled them. ;)
i agree 100% and why post anonymous to Aart and Murder we all know they cheated big time, even i ( the awesome noob ) cheated, believe it or not, but in the end when you dont take this game so serious and play fair it actually becomes more fun. Let's see what will happen, i think it would be fair to give everyone affected by these a revive, although i know we dont live in a Fairytail, where pink ponies save the day.. Or Aart gives all the fair players a healthbug.
O/ enjoy your weekend
Anonymous (17:54:14 - 17-01)
delete HOF,if avataria win !
Anonymous at 16:52:41 on 17/01:
put action to your brave words and in the future refuse to work with these cheating fams, yet you suckup to them every version
MurderInc at 16:50:09 on 17/01:
Don't put words in my mouth please. I said that most of the top fams have been cheating in the past. I never said every top family was cheating, which allows for the occasional white knight (although I believe you vastly overestimate how many of those there've been).
I never said I was fine with it. There's no excuse to be cheating nowadays, since all the exploits that caused massive economical imbalances for years have been fixed a couple of versions ago.
I've been on both the "pact"-side (which, funnily enough, wasn't the pact in the past) and the other side in the past and I can tell you that in almost all families I've worked with (as in blooded/shot with), there have been instances of cheating in their top either when we were working together or in the past. Hell, before lackeys got introduced, you had to use a microscope to find families without a single scripter.
All I'm saying is that the world isn't black and white, and if you feel offended that someone who might have been cheating in the past wants to contribute to a discussion on that topic, I think you have a weird way of looking at things.
Anonymous at 16:40:21 on 17/01:
still you statement is incorrect, many top fams have been coming and going over the years without cheating. well what you fail to see is that this makes it even more pathetic, these are the family's who are suppose to bring the game to the next level or atleast keep it living and yet you seem to be ok with cheating fams discrediting the game. under the argument of; "all big fams do it or have done it"
MurderInc at 16:34:15 on 17/01:
I said top fams, didn't I. ;(
Anonymous at 16:33:01 on 17/01:
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
MurderInc at 16:30:08 on 17/01:
Aart confirmed to be hitler.
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
has anything to do with someone's past. Especially considering that probably something like 90% of the tops in top families over the last ... well, ever, had some kind of involvement in cheating.
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
Akills sometimes occur at the worst times imaginable and often have a great impact on the server outcome. What do you think should happen in cases like these?
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
still you statement is incorrect, many top fams have been coming and going over the years without cheating. well what you fail to see is that this makes it even more pathetic, these are the family's who are suppose to bring the game to the next level or atleast keep it living and yet you seem to be ok with cheating fams discrediting the game. under the argument of; "all big fams do it or have done it"
I never said I was fine with it. There's no excuse to be cheating nowadays, since all the exploits that caused massive economical imbalances for years have been fixed a couple of versions ago.
I've been on both the "pact"-side (which, funnily enough, wasn't the pact in the past) and the other side in the past and I can tell you that in almost all families I've worked with (as in blooded/shot with), there have been instances of cheating in their top either when we were working together or in the past. Hell, before lackeys got introduced, you had to use a microscope to find families without a single scripter.
All I'm saying is that the world isn't black and white, and if you feel offended that someone who might have been cheating in the past wants to contribute to a discussion on that topic, I think you have a weird way of looking at things.
put action to your brave words and in the future refuse to work with these cheating fams, yet you suckup to them every version
Anonymous (16:57:41 - 17-01)
MurderInc at 15:46:45 on 17/01:
I think some transparency would go a long way. For example, this is what the crew on .dm does for every akill:
It might be a good idea to even automate the process of revives - whenever some account gets akilled, admins immediately make the decision which of his kills are entitled to get a revive, and whenever one of the affected account logs in, he has the option to revive his previous account. I imagine this would even save the crew a lot of work in the long run, since right now whenever we see akills for top accounts, they receive tons of mails from people who don't actually know who killed them, which they then have to check as well.
And of course, get rid of the silly 3 days limit for revives (which seems to get ignored by most of the crew already anyway.)
Rollbacks, imo, should be used only for fuck-ups on an epic scale; something that leaves the version in a state players can't be expected to continue playing. While the akills on Avaritia surely had some effect on the outcome of the last two wars, we're probably talking about 20 brug+ kills spread over 2-3 families (mine included, by the way), so a rollback doesn't seem appropriate to me. You ought to weigh the injustice those families have experienced against the injustice a rollback would cause to those who shot with legitimate accounts as well.
Additionally, since we don't (officially) know the reason for those akills, it's not even clear what kind of effect their cheating had on the outcome of the war. While I would absolutely agree that duping could have an effect, if they were "only" akilled for something like sharing accounts, I don't think anyone could argue this would have completely altered the war results.
I think some transparency would go a long way. For example, this is what the crew on .dm does for every akill:
It might be a good idea to even automate the process of revives - whenever some account gets akilled, admins immediately make the decision which of his kills are entitled to get a revive, and whenever one of the affected account logs in, he has the option to revive his previous account. I imagine this would even save the crew a lot of work in the long run, since right now whenever we see akills for top accounts, they receive tons of mails from people who don't actually know who killed them, which they then have to check as well.
And of course, get rid of the silly 3 days limit for revives (which seems to get ignored by most of the crew already anyway.)
Rollbacks, imo, should be used only for fuck-ups on an epic scale; something that leaves the version in a state players can't be expected to continue playing. While the akills on Avaritia surely had some effect on the outcome of the last two wars, we're probably talking about 20 brug+ kills spread over 2-3 families (mine included, by the way), so a rollback doesn't seem appropriate to me. You ought to weigh the injustice those families have experienced against the injustice a rollback would cause to those who shot with legitimate accounts as well.
Additionally, since we don't (officially) know the reason for those akills, it's not even clear what kind of effect their cheating had on the outcome of the war. While I would absolutely agree that duping could have an effect, if they were "only" akilled for something like sharing accounts, I don't think anyone could argue this would have completely altered the war results.
When talking about the 'effect' cheating has on the game or the amount of people being affected by this, what are your standards?
I see these people could have had a huge effect on the outcome of this version and an even bigger amount of people being affected indirectly. Let me state an example:
This game has about 500 players who reach bruglione around the time of first war, a part of which isn't even active. When you talk about 20 bruglione+ kills you talk about around 5% of the game directly being killed by cheaters. I know for a fact those accounts also missed shots and were hit while surviving. Because of that those accounts also lost bullets, bodyguards and money. On top of that, the best accounts of Siberia/Aeterna/Colossal have been hunting those top Avaritia accounts which caused other Avaritia brugliones to shoot freely on your families. Also those Avaritia top accounts downed some of the top accounts of the families that were shot at. Accounts that would normally be able to sit on don position for a long time.
I am quite sure you can say over 10% of this game is directly or indirectly affected by the cheating of those 7 akilled people, mainly because of the fact those accounts were very strong accounts. The same goes for last version where Lusa people were akilled, these CDs would still be up and defending their spots if none had akilled them. ;)
Anonymous (16:52:41 - 17-01)
MurderInc at 16:50:09 on 17/01:
Don't put words in my mouth please. I said that most of the top fams have been cheating in the past. I never said every top family was cheating, which allows for the occasional white knight (although I believe you vastly overestimate how many of those there've been).
I never said I was fine with it. There's no excuse to be cheating nowadays, since all the exploits that caused massive economical imbalances for years have been fixed a couple of versions ago.
I've been on both the "pact"-side (which, funnily enough, wasn't the pact in the past) and the other side in the past and I can tell you that in almost all families I've worked with (as in blooded/shot with), there have been instances of cheating in their top either when we were working together or in the past. Hell, before lackeys got introduced, you had to use a microscope to find families without a single scripter.
All I'm saying is that the world isn't black and white, and if you feel offended that someone who might have been cheating in the past wants to contribute to a discussion on that topic, I think you have a weird way of looking at things.
Anonymous at 16:40:21 on 17/01:
still you statement is incorrect, many top fams have been coming and going over the years without cheating. well what you fail to see is that this makes it even more pathetic, these are the family's who are suppose to bring the game to the next level or atleast keep it living and yet you seem to be ok with cheating fams discrediting the game. under the argument of; "all big fams do it or have done it"
MurderInc at 16:34:15 on 17/01:
I said top fams, didn't I. ;(
Anonymous at 16:33:01 on 17/01:
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
MurderInc at 16:30:08 on 17/01:
Aart confirmed to be hitler.
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
has anything to do with someone's past. Especially considering that probably something like 90% of the tops in top families over the last ... well, ever, had some kind of involvement in cheating.
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
Akills sometimes occur at the worst times imaginable and often have a great impact on the server outcome. What do you think should happen in cases like these?
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
still you statement is incorrect, many top fams have been coming and going over the years without cheating. well what you fail to see is that this makes it even more pathetic, these are the family's who are suppose to bring the game to the next level or atleast keep it living and yet you seem to be ok with cheating fams discrediting the game. under the argument of; "all big fams do it or have done it"
I never said I was fine with it. There's no excuse to be cheating nowadays, since all the exploits that caused massive economical imbalances for years have been fixed a couple of versions ago.
I've been on both the "pact"-side (which, funnily enough, wasn't the pact in the past) and the other side in the past and I can tell you that in almost all families I've worked with (as in blooded/shot with), there have been instances of cheating in their top either when we were working together or in the past. Hell, before lackeys got introduced, you had to use a microscope to find families without a single scripter.
All I'm saying is that the world isn't black and white, and if you feel offended that someone who might have been cheating in the past wants to contribute to a discussion on that topic, I think you have a weird way of looking at things.
put action to your brave words and in the future refuse to work with these cheating fams, yet you suckup to them every version
Anonymous (16:51:17 - 17-01)
Aart at 16:47:12 on 17/01:
Well, i don't have anything to win here untill you find your login button mrs anonymous. Pls keep me well fed on your salty tears.
Anonymous at 16:34:42 on 17/01:
let me rephrase it for you
Righelli people saying cheating is bad -.- <----- see what i did there :')
ouch
Johnx at 16:30:43 on 17/01:
You know you've lost when you have to use the hitler arguement :(
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
let me rephrase it for you
Righelli people saying cheating is bad -.- <----- see what i did there :')
ouch
lol this has nothing to do with it, let me tell you what you have to win:
save this game from dieing, speak up tell the omerta community that you have made mistakes in the past. Judge the fams, tops and people who are still cheating. and put actions with your words by not being involved with this cheater fams.
your seem to be interested in only winning a argument (which you cant win) while this game needs leading figures in this game speaking up and put action with their words
Anonymous at 16:40:21 on 17/01:
still you statement is incorrect, many top fams have been coming and going over the years without cheating. well what you fail to see is that this makes it even more pathetic, these are the family's who are suppose to bring the game to the next level or atleast keep it living and yet you seem to be ok with cheating fams discrediting the game. under the argument of; "all big fams do it or have done it"
MurderInc at 16:34:15 on 17/01:
I said top fams, didn't I. ;(
Anonymous at 16:33:01 on 17/01:
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
MurderInc at 16:30:08 on 17/01:
Aart confirmed to be hitler.
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
has anything to do with someone's past. Especially considering that probably something like 90% of the tops in top families over the last ... well, ever, had some kind of involvement in cheating.
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
Akills sometimes occur at the worst times imaginable and often have a great impact on the server outcome. What do you think should happen in cases like these?
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
still you statement is incorrect, many top fams have been coming and going over the years without cheating. well what you fail to see is that this makes it even more pathetic, these are the family's who are suppose to bring the game to the next level or atleast keep it living and yet you seem to be ok with cheating fams discrediting the game. under the argument of; "all big fams do it or have done it"
I never said I was fine with it. There's no excuse to be cheating nowadays, since all the exploits that caused massive economical imbalances for years have been fixed a couple of versions ago.
I've been on both the "pact"-side (which, funnily enough, wasn't referred to as the pact back then) and the other side in the past and I can tell you that in almost all families I've worked with (as in blooded/shot with), there have been instances of cheating in their top either when we were working together or in the past. Hell, before lackeys got introduced, you had to use a microscope to find families without a single scripter.
All I'm saying is that the world isn't black and white, and if you feel offended that someone who might have been cheating in the past wants to contribute to a discussion on that topic, I think you have a weird way of looking at things.
Aart (16:47:12 - 17-01)
Anonymous at 16:34:42 on 17/01:
let me rephrase it for you
Righelli people saying cheating is bad -.- <----- see what i did there :')
ouch
Johnx at 16:30:43 on 17/01:
You know you've lost when you have to use the hitler arguement :(
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
let me rephrase it for you
Righelli people saying cheating is bad -.- <----- see what i did there :')
ouch
Anonymous (16:40:21 - 17-01)
MurderInc at 16:34:15 on 17/01:
I said top fams, didn't I. ;(
Anonymous at 16:33:01 on 17/01:
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
MurderInc at 16:30:08 on 17/01:
Aart confirmed to be hitler.
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
has anything to do with someone's past. Especially considering that probably something like 90% of the tops in top families over the last ... well, ever, had some kind of involvement in cheating.
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
Akills sometimes occur at the worst times imaginable and often have a great impact on the server outcome. What do you think should happen in cases like these?
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
still you statement is incorrect, many top fams have been coming and going over the years without cheating. well what you fail to see is that this makes it even more pathetic, these are the family's who are suppose to bring the game to the next level or atleast keep it living and yet you seem to be ok with cheating fams discrediting the game. under the argument of; "all big fams do it or have done it"
Anonymous (16:34:42 - 17-01)
Johnx at 16:30:43 on 17/01:
You know you've lost when you have to use the hitler arguement :(
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
let me rephrase it for you
Righelli people saying cheating is bad -.- <----- see what i did there :')
ouch
Anonymous at 16:33:01 on 17/01:
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
MurderInc at 16:30:08 on 17/01:
Aart confirmed to be hitler.
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
has anything to do with someone's past. Especially considering that probably something like 90% of the tops in top families over the last ... well, ever, had some kind of involvement in cheating.
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
Akills sometimes occur at the worst times imaginable and often have a great impact on the server outcome. What do you think should happen in cases like these?
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
Anonymous (16:33:01 - 17-01)
MurderInc at 16:30:08 on 17/01:
Aart confirmed to be hitler.
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
has anything to do with someone's past. Especially considering that probably something like 90% of the tops in top families over the last ... well, ever, had some kind of involvement in cheating.
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
Akills sometimes occur at the worst times imaginable and often have a great impact on the server outcome. What do you think should happen in cases like these?
well maybe the fams that you have worked with yess. by far not all family's tops have been linked to or convicted of cheating. So from your perspective this might be the case. But i can tell you there is actually people and tops who have never felt the need to discredit this game and its players
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
No but seriously, please do feel free to point out how asking something like:
Akills sometimes occur at the worst times imaginable and often have a great impact on the server outcome. What do you think should happen in cases like these?
Aart (16:29:05 - 17-01)
Anonymous at 16:25:18 on 17/01:
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
Anonymous (16:28:38 - 17-01)
Aart at 16:23:42 on 17/01:
Well atleast i gave you guys some long lasting memories, you're very welcome.
Well atleast i gave you guys some long lasting memories, you're very welcome.
No Aart, its hypocrisy in its ultimate form. And no that cheater image will stick to your ass as long as you are in this game
Anonymous (16:25:18 - 17-01)
MurderInc at 16:21:27 on 17/01:
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.
lol what you have done in the past effects your credibility, these people have discredited themselves
hitler comes on here posting genocide is bad -.- <--- see it makes no sense :')
Aart (16:23:42 - 17-01)
Well atleast i gave you guys some long lasting memories, you're very welcome.
I'm so glad every discussion on here eventually comes down to discrediting people not for their arguments, but for something they did in the past.