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And another night of warfare. As the Blacksea alliance and Turkuz is getting hit by a team of families. They are attacked by a collective containing; the Catania alliance, Rogero, Mdma, Rigano and Cruedo.
After a while into the war, Venutti decided to step in too and are aiming at the defenders.
Haramiler is countering for their alliance on the Catania alliance.
A large counter unfolds on Cruedo. The Pentagram alliance is responsible for these deaths.
Another leap on an attacking family. This time Rigano is in heavy weather as a combined effort of Marazzino and Goguryeo is unleashed upon them.
Soon after Marazzino unleashed the devastating wave on Rigano they are getting countered by the Oblivions alliance.
Provenzano & Ataraxia is helping Haramiler and is shooting at the Catania alliance. Hearing this news Rogero isadding a target family to their list and are now aiming for Provenzano too.
Strangely enough Mdma goes down after the don dies with plenty of options for successors.
Later on during the second day of the war the Pentagram alliance strikes at Rogero, bringing them down.
During this war which lasted about 24 hours about 160 brugliones and 70 chiefs lost their lives, which comes to an impressive total of more than 1/3rd of all brugs that were alive right before the war. A total of 31 million bullets were either lost or fired, which is 27% of all the bullets ingame. During the war 7 families lost their lives, six on the attacker side (Mdma, Rigano, Catania, Vicaria, Cruedo and Rogero meaning all initial attackers have gone down) and one on the defender side (Marazzino).
After a while into the war, Venutti decided to step in too and are aiming at the defenders.
Haramiler is countering for their alliance on the Catania alliance.
A large counter unfolds on Cruedo. The Pentagram alliance is responsible for these deaths.
Another leap on an attacking family. This time Rigano is in heavy weather as a combined effort of Marazzino and Goguryeo is unleashed upon them.
Soon after Marazzino unleashed the devastating wave on Rigano they are getting countered by the Oblivions alliance.
Provenzano & Ataraxia is helping Haramiler and is shooting at the Catania alliance. Hearing this news Rogero isadding a target family to their list and are now aiming for Provenzano too.
Strangely enough Mdma goes down after the don dies with plenty of options for successors.
Later on during the second day of the war the Pentagram alliance strikes at Rogero, bringing them down.
During this war which lasted about 24 hours about 160 brugliones and 70 chiefs lost their lives, which comes to an impressive total of more than 1/3rd of all brugs that were alive right before the war. A total of 31 million bullets were either lost or fired, which is 27% of all the bullets ingame. During the war 7 families lost their lives, six on the attacker side (Mdma, Rigano, Catania, Vicaria, Cruedo and Rogero meaning all initial attackers have gone down) and one on the defender side (Marazzino).
statements
HaTeVoL (Oblivions):
(23:26:25) <@ari> Juventuslu:
(23:26:30) <@ari> HaTeVoLl
(23:26:33) <@ari> sikecem ama - fuck it
(23:26:35) <@ari> tepkide vermiyolar - they don't even give reaction
(23:47:39) <@cnwr> adam gibi kovalamiyosunuz ondan - you are not chasing like a man
(23:47:45) <@cnwr> adam 30dk dir pal de - he has been in pal for 30min
You have to respect other fam tops when they are shooting for u (as shown in the log)...causes of this war is plannig against us and try to hj...ty anafarta/homeless three days three wars :)
Slow (Rigano): I read people claiming to pwn gravano etc, thats one bad ass job... GRATZ _O_ ... I mean it shouldn't be a easy job, considering gravano is retired ? and to you guys claiming my family is as one with anyone ? bitch please I dont even have any bloods xD we shot yesterday together with people we know, not bloods... we are not even as one with anyone...
Juventuslu (founder Anafarta): http://f1211.hizliresim.com/13/n/g32uc.png
Ari (Marazzino): First of all lol at obli, keep giving half ass logs. Fact is that we didn't plan that war, fact is you came last to that channel, fact is you were the last to find your targets, fact is you were the last to kill your targets. One of your targets killed one of my brugs then suicided on my don while he was out of sh for an hour. and like juventuslu agreed, we were right to be pissed, I don't know what fam wouldn't be..
[4:48pm] ****: cnwr sakin ak - *cnwr relax*
[4:48pm] Juventuslu: palde 100 dedo - *i hired 100 deds in pal*
[4:48pm] cnwr: bi brug degil - *he isn't just one brug*
[4:49pm] **** sanki ilk defa oluyor - *this isn't happening for the first time*
[4:49pm] cnwr: top brug o - *he is top brug*
[4:49pm] Juventuslu: yok hakli adam - * No he is right to be angry*
So don't give excuses while you know the real reason you shot us..
Oh btw good luck next vers, we are waiting to see how many fams you are going to as1 this time, maybe they will save you ;)
Rip all Maraz soldiers _O_
Guevara (Catania): With not so many cool families around anymore and recently having checked the menu at the nearby Kebab-shop we knew we would be the next and main family on the menu. Just like last week we couldn't wait for the appetizer cause we were too hungry for Ottomanical food. Unfortunately Anafarta+ chose a different dish (Marazzino) than they planned to (Haramiler) and our other turkish 'friends' prefered, like usual, some international food. Henceworth, we weren't able to finish our plates. Sorry mom!
No problem kid, just no dessert for you...
BoHeM (Turkuz): We r coming from hell..it was a fantastic night..Catania and friends behaved before us and wanted a real war.we woke up early and went to sh.they shooted all bullets us.because they know their way was the death way.I think they r so angry to us with their friends and they tried to get a revenge.and congratz they did their best.Im sure that we ll shoote to eachothers again and again but with respect and honour.r.i.p. catania and vicaria company.And our brave soldiers..you r the meaning of why IM here.Im glad with you.rip all Turkuz, Blacsea, Yigidos, Lioni, Ottoman Marazzino Nazdrovia, Ataraxia heros.rip my heart..
Fiducci (Rogero): After 7 days up, we decided at us that following a turkish course was no option. For many of us with this realism in mind, the only motivation they could find is shooting till the last bullet; what they did.
Or we made a difference within those 7 days? Ofcourse we did; we said NO to grouping (with other words pact working, this time it's a turkish alliance pact if you ask me; only worse ,the PACT haven't shot 5 brugs with 10 families), we we're willing to shoot for objects instead of making friends for claiming, choose and defending our bloods for real till the last bullet and ofcourse not fearing any alliance when you have 60k atleast in you're pocket. These fundamentals we're the princips to start the family with and to die for. We've accomplished a nice start of the family (Rogero since 3.5), a continue in the next versions and a fine coorporationship with other families for bringing back the oldskool days.
Thanks Rogerians for the nice play, although 7 days we're abit too short :p and thanks for the shooting families at our side for dying with honour together, and for the fun.
Rogero out
(23:26:25) <@ari> Juventuslu:
(23:26:30) <@ari> HaTeVoLl
(23:26:33) <@ari> sikecem ama - fuck it
(23:26:35) <@ari> tepkide vermiyolar - they don't even give reaction
(23:47:39) <@cnwr> adam gibi kovalamiyosunuz ondan - you are not chasing like a man
(23:47:45) <@cnwr> adam 30dk dir pal de - he has been in pal for 30min
You have to respect other fam tops when they are shooting for u (as shown in the log)...causes of this war is plannig against us and try to hj...ty anafarta/homeless three days three wars :)
Slow (Rigano): I read people claiming to pwn gravano etc, thats one bad ass job... GRATZ _O_ ... I mean it shouldn't be a easy job, considering gravano is retired ? and to you guys claiming my family is as one with anyone ? bitch please I dont even have any bloods xD we shot yesterday together with people we know, not bloods... we are not even as one with anyone...
Juventuslu (founder Anafarta): http://f1211.hizliresim.com/13/n/g32uc.png
Ari (Marazzino): First of all lol at obli, keep giving half ass logs. Fact is that we didn't plan that war, fact is you came last to that channel, fact is you were the last to find your targets, fact is you were the last to kill your targets. One of your targets killed one of my brugs then suicided on my don while he was out of sh for an hour. and like juventuslu agreed, we were right to be pissed, I don't know what fam wouldn't be..
[4:48pm] ****: cnwr sakin ak - *cnwr relax*
[4:48pm] Juventuslu: palde 100 dedo - *i hired 100 deds in pal*
[4:48pm] cnwr: bi brug degil - *he isn't just one brug*
[4:49pm] **** sanki ilk defa oluyor - *this isn't happening for the first time*
[4:49pm] cnwr: top brug o - *he is top brug*
[4:49pm] Juventuslu: yok hakli adam - * No he is right to be angry*
So don't give excuses while you know the real reason you shot us..
Oh btw good luck next vers, we are waiting to see how many fams you are going to as1 this time, maybe they will save you ;)
Rip all Maraz soldiers _O_
Guevara (Catania): With not so many cool families around anymore and recently having checked the menu at the nearby Kebab-shop we knew we would be the next and main family on the menu. Just like last week we couldn't wait for the appetizer cause we were too hungry for Ottomanical food. Unfortunately Anafarta+ chose a different dish (Marazzino) than they planned to (Haramiler) and our other turkish 'friends' prefered, like usual, some international food. Henceworth, we weren't able to finish our plates. Sorry mom!
No problem kid, just no dessert for you...
BoHeM (Turkuz): We r coming from hell..it was a fantastic night..Catania and friends behaved before us and wanted a real war.we woke up early and went to sh.they shooted all bullets us.because they know their way was the death way.I think they r so angry to us with their friends and they tried to get a revenge.and congratz they did their best.Im sure that we ll shoote to eachothers again and again but with respect and honour.r.i.p. catania and vicaria company.And our brave soldiers..you r the meaning of why IM here.Im glad with you.rip all Turkuz, Blacsea, Yigidos, Lioni, Ottoman Marazzino Nazdrovia, Ataraxia heros.rip my heart..
Fiducci (Rogero): After 7 days up, we decided at us that following a turkish course was no option. For many of us with this realism in mind, the only motivation they could find is shooting till the last bullet; what they did.
Or we made a difference within those 7 days? Ofcourse we did; we said NO to grouping (with other words pact working, this time it's a turkish alliance pact if you ask me; only worse ,the PACT haven't shot 5 brugs with 10 families), we we're willing to shoot for objects instead of making friends for claiming, choose and defending our bloods for real till the last bullet and ofcourse not fearing any alliance when you have 60k atleast in you're pocket. These fundamentals we're the princips to start the family with and to die for. We've accomplished a nice start of the family (Rogero since 3.5), a continue in the next versions and a fine coorporationship with other families for bringing back the oldskool days.
Thanks Rogerians for the nice play, although 7 days we're abit too short :p and thanks for the shooting families at our side for dying with honour together, and for the fun.
Rogero out
statistics
| War started on: 19:48:02 21-11-2012 | War ended on: 19:41:02 22-11-2012 |
| Bullet difference: -32,288,094 | War duration: 23h 53m |
| Money difference: -$1,592,741,889 | Players died: 343 |
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Anonymous (23:24:50 - 25-11)
Anonymous (21:30:50 - 24-11)
OMG fucking shit that s III. World War :o
Anonymous (17:02:07 - 24-11)
klementino at 16:48:34 on 24/11:
Appearantly Turkuz, Ottoman, Blacksea and Yigidos are really angry at us! :o :<
They put a lot of Turkish RÝH comments and such stuffs in our RIP forums, even tops xD
From many sources we got information that B&Y begged family after family to shoot us because they were just as empty as we were. Finally Samyo agrees to shoot us and after they managed to kill about 7 brugs of which 6 were completely empty and 1 was offline because of Thanksgiving they come to our channel/pm to act tough.
And last but not least:
Yunusemre 24-11-2012 14:14:22 Yunusemre failed to kill you but did some damage, you tried to hit back but did no damage to Yunusemre
Ottoman seems to be very depressed about the shooting, we're so sorry! Sorry for what? Sorry for Anafarta backing out of the war, giving Haramiler the opportunity to counter our attack. We're also sorry for someone, and though I can't confirm I highly suspect Anafarta/oblivions, leaking our plans. We're really really really sorry for Turkuz going to Safehouse and the money spilled on useless detectives because of that
But! Way more important, we're not sorry for initiating this war. We're not sorry for not being a duck waiting to get shot by a bunch of Turkish gangbang families. We're certainly not sorry for killing 1GF, 15Brugs, 3 Chiefs and 1 Assa(with with a family that was up for exactly 7 days, without any Godfather. Also for not betraying our bloods Catania when Anafarta backed out and when Haramiler offered us a cease fire between Haramiler & co and Rogero we're absolutely not sorry!
Ooh and eh BoHem, just 1 more thing....
Bohem (Turkuz): "We r coming from hell..it was a fantastic night..Catania and friends behaved before us and wanted a real war.we woke up early and went to sh." .... " <bunch of families> .rip my heart.."
I would be honoured if you could explain me, and everyone here why going to SH would be heroic? In my opinion it sounds maybe a tiny bit like being scared. In my opinion your statement about you guys being a hero would be more or less correct if you had hired on us instead of hiding in your gangbang sh... but well yeah, please me with a detailed explanation please ^^
Klementino aka Mindfuck aka Headshot
Appearantly Turkuz, Ottoman, Blacksea and Yigidos are really angry at us! :o :<
They put a lot of Turkish RÝH comments and such stuffs in our RIP forums, even tops xD
From many sources we got information that B&Y begged family after family to shoot us because they were just as empty as we were. Finally Samyo agrees to shoot us and after they managed to kill about 7 brugs of which 6 were completely empty and 1 was offline because of Thanksgiving they come to our channel/pm to act tough.
And last but not least:
Yunusemre 24-11-2012 14:14:22 Yunusemre failed to kill you but did some damage, you tried to hit back but did no damage to Yunusemre
Ottoman seems to be very depressed about the shooting, we're so sorry! Sorry for what? Sorry for Anafarta backing out of the war, giving Haramiler the opportunity to counter our attack. We're also sorry for someone, and though I can't confirm I highly suspect Anafarta/oblivions, leaking our plans. We're really really really sorry for Turkuz going to Safehouse and the money spilled on useless detectives because of that
But! Way more important, we're not sorry for initiating this war. We're not sorry for not being a duck waiting to get shot by a bunch of Turkish gangbang families. We're certainly not sorry for killing 1GF, 15Brugs, 3 Chiefs and 1 Assa(with with a family that was up for exactly 7 days, without any Godfather. Also for not betraying our bloods Catania when Anafarta backed out and when Haramiler offered us a cease fire between Haramiler & co and Rogero we're absolutely not sorry!
Ooh and eh BoHem, just 1 more thing....
Bohem (Turkuz): "We r coming from hell..it was a fantastic night..Catania and friends behaved before us and wanted a real war.we woke up early and went to sh." .... " <bunch of families> .rip my heart.."
I would be honoured if you could explain me, and everyone here why going to SH would be heroic? In my opinion it sounds maybe a tiny bit like being scared. In my opinion your statement about you guys being a hero would be more or less correct if you had hired on us instead of hiding in your gangbang sh... but well yeah, please me with a detailed explanation please ^^
Klementino aka Mindfuck aka Headshot
Oblivions will get payback, Haramiler will prevent them to end this version anyway.
Appearantly Turkuz, Ottoman, Blacksea and Yigidos are really angry at us! :o :<
They put a lot of Turkish RÝH comments and such stuffs in our RIP forums, even tops xD
From many sources we got information that B&Y begged family after family to shoot us because they were just as empty as we were. Finally Samyo agrees to shoot us and after they managed to kill about 7 brugs of which 6 were completely empty and 1 was offline because of Thanksgiving they come to our channel/pm to act tough.
And last but not least:
Yunusemre 24-11-2012 14:14:22 Yunusemre failed to kill you but did some damage, you tried to hit back but did no damage to Yunusemre
Ottoman seems to be very depressed about the shooting, we're so sorry! Sorry for what? Sorry for Anafarta backing out of the war, giving Haramiler the opportunity to counter our attack. We're also sorry for someone, and though I can't confirm I highly suspect Anafarta/oblivions, leaking our plans. We're really really really sorry for Turkuz going to Safehouse and the money spilled on useless detectives because of that
But! Way more important, we're not sorry for initiating this war. We're not sorry for not being a duck waiting to get shot by a bunch of Turkish gangbang families. We're certainly not sorry for killing 1GF, 15Brugs, 3 Chiefs and 1 Assa(with a family that was up for exactly 7 days, without any Godfather. Also for not betraying our bloods Catania when Anafarta backed out and when Haramiler offered us a cease fire between Haramiler & co and Rogero we're absolutely not sorry!
Ooh and eh BoHem, just 1 more thing....
Bohem (Turkuz): "We r coming from hell..it was a fantastic night..Catania and friends behaved before us and wanted a real war.we woke up early and went to sh." .... " <bunch of families> heros .rip my heart.."
I would be honoured if you could explain me, and everyone here why going to SH would be heroic? In my opinion it sounds maybe a tiny bit like being scared. In my opinion your statement about you guys being a hero would be more or less correct if you had hired on us instead of hiding in your gangbang sh... but well yeah, please me with a detailed explanation please ^^
Klementino aka Mindfuck aka Headshot
They put a lot of Turkish RÝH comments and such stuffs in our RIP forums, even tops xD
From many sources we got information that B&Y begged family after family to shoot us because they were just as empty as we were. Finally Samyo agrees to shoot us and after they managed to kill about 7 brugs of which 6 were completely empty and 1 was offline because of Thanksgiving they come to our channel/pm to act tough.
And last but not least:
Yunusemre 24-11-2012 14:14:22 Yunusemre failed to kill you but did some damage, you tried to hit back but did no damage to Yunusemre
Ottoman seems to be very depressed about the shooting, we're so sorry! Sorry for what? Sorry for Anafarta backing out of the war, giving Haramiler the opportunity to counter our attack. We're also sorry for someone, and though I can't confirm I highly suspect Anafarta/oblivions, leaking our plans. We're really really really sorry for Turkuz going to Safehouse and the money spilled on useless detectives because of that
But! Way more important, we're not sorry for initiating this war. We're not sorry for not being a duck waiting to get shot by a bunch of Turkish gangbang families. We're certainly not sorry for killing 1GF, 15Brugs, 3 Chiefs and 1 Assa(with a family that was up for exactly 7 days, without any Godfather. Also for not betraying our bloods Catania when Anafarta backed out and when Haramiler offered us a cease fire between Haramiler & co and Rogero we're absolutely not sorry!
Ooh and eh BoHem, just 1 more thing....
Bohem (Turkuz): "We r coming from hell..it was a fantastic night..Catania and friends behaved before us and wanted a real war.we woke up early and went to sh." .... " <bunch of families> heros .rip my heart.."
I would be honoured if you could explain me, and everyone here why going to SH would be heroic? In my opinion it sounds maybe a tiny bit like being scared. In my opinion your statement about you guys being a hero would be more or less correct if you had hired on us instead of hiding in your gangbang sh... but well yeah, please me with a detailed explanation please ^^
Klementino aka Mindfuck aka Headshot
Anonymous (00:37:49 - 24-11)
Anonymous at 23:48:45 on 23/11:
My wish is them and Blacksea/Turkuz alliance shooting Penta together.
To open up some room for this version. You haven't said, why they should shoot Haramiler.
And what's the long term gain for them if they suicide on Haramiler. Except that they help Messina.
So my guess is you are from Messina and want use them to go up again. Just me guessing, though. Otherwise Oblivions can always make peace with the blacksea/Turkuz alliance. And be happy with a stalemate.
Anonymous at 23:38:18 on 23/11:
So your suggestion for Oblivions would be: Just wait untill Haramiler shoots you guys?
Anonymous at 21:24:23 on 23/11:
You are missing a point there.
The point is, what other choice did Levi and Destination have?
Krays/Notte/Psychonymous (Alphabetical order) tried to rank/start up without joining this big Turkish faggotry. You saw what happened to them. They got groupraped. So for Destination and Levi it was: Join them or get banged.
Messina is blooded to Pentagram. So if Oblivions and Haramiler shoot each other, the only one benefitting would be? Right Messina. That's where your whole argument starts to fall apart. Replacing Oblivions and Haramiler with Messina would benefit the version as a whole, but Pentagram and Messina. Or in simpler words, do you think Messina would gun Pentagram down?
That's why I don't consider it to be better if Messina was up than Haramiler.
Anonymous at 20:01:31 on 23/11:
I get your problem and I understand what you're trying to say but do you also get my point of view?
Penta is blooded to Oblivion so shooting them right now is a no-go. Oblivions did have Haramiler as their target. Meaning when Haramiler becomes stronger again, they WILL shoot Oblivion. So not shooting them will mean death of Haramiler.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Removing both would be best :P
ps. Blacksea didn't win shit, if anyone won it was Penta / Oblivions / Haramiler
But even they didn't win anything, they should learn how to shoot other families instead of gangbanging them.
Anonymous at 19:16:56 on 23/11:
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
Anonymous at 18:27:12 on 23/11:
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Anonymous at 14:45:49 on 23/11:
*edit*
Anonymous at 14:44:53 on 23/11:
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
Anonymous at 10:30:45 on 23/11:
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
Anonymous at 23:47:00 on 22/11:
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
Anonymous at 23:31:47 on 22/11:
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
*edit*
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
I get your problem and I understand what you're trying to say but do you also get my point of view?
Penta is blooded to Oblivion so shooting them right now is a no-go. Oblivions did have Haramiler as their target. Meaning when Haramiler becomes stronger again, they WILL shoot Oblivion. So not shooting them will mean death of Haramiler.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Removing both would be best :P
ps. Blacksea didn't win shit, if anyone won it was Penta / Oblivions / Haramiler
But even they didn't win anything, they should learn how to shoot other families instead of gangbanging them.
You are missing a point there.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
The point is, what other choice did Levi and Destination have?
Krays/Notte/Psychonymous (Alphabetical order) tried to rank/start up without joining this big Turkish faggotry. You saw what happened to them. They got groupraped. So for Destination and Levi it was: Join them or get banged.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Messina is blooded to Pentagram. So if Oblivions and Haramiler shoot each other, the only one benefitting would be? Right Messina. That's where your whole argument starts to fall apart. Replacing Oblivions and Haramiler with Messina would benefit the version as a whole, but Pentagram and Messina. Or in simpler words, do you think Messina would gun Pentagram down?
That's why I don't consider it to be better if Messina was up than Haramiler.
So your suggestion for Oblivions would be: Just wait untill Haramiler shoots you guys?
My wish is them and Blacksea/Turkuz alliance shooting Penta together.
To open up some room for this version. You haven't said, why they should shoot Haramiler.
And what's the long term gain for them if they suicide on Haramiler. Except that they help Messina.
So my guess is you are from Messina and want use them to go up again. Just me guessing, though. Otherwise Oblivions can always make peace with the blacksea/Turkuz alliance. And be happy with a stalemate.
No, I'm not Messina actually. I'm just someone that likes to see the version a bit more open and people actually shooting their targets. Rather that than three alliances sucking eachother to stay alive. I don't really mind what families come back in, as long as they'll be actively shooting.
Anonymous (23:48:45 - 23-11)
Anonymous at 23:38:18 on 23/11:
So your suggestion for Oblivions would be: Just wait untill Haramiler shoots you guys?
Anonymous at 21:24:23 on 23/11:
You are missing a point there.
The point is, what other choice did Levi and Destination have?
Krays/Notte/Psychonymous (Alphabetical order) tried to rank/start up without joining this big Turkish faggotry. You saw what happened to them. They got groupraped. So for Destination and Levi it was: Join them or get banged.
Messina is blooded to Pentagram. So if Oblivions and Haramiler shoot each other, the only one benefitting would be? Right Messina. That's where your whole argument starts to fall apart. Replacing Oblivions and Haramiler with Messina would benefit the version as a whole, but Pentagram and Messina. Or in simpler words, do you think Messina would gun Pentagram down?
That's why I don't consider it to be better if Messina was up than Haramiler.
Anonymous at 20:01:31 on 23/11:
I get your problem and I understand what you're trying to say but do you also get my point of view?
Penta is blooded to Oblivion so shooting them right now is a no-go. Oblivions did have Haramiler as their target. Meaning when Haramiler becomes stronger again, they WILL shoot Oblivion. So not shooting them will mean death of Haramiler.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Removing both would be best :P
ps. Blacksea didn't win shit, if anyone won it was Penta / Oblivions / Haramiler
But even they didn't win anything, they should learn how to shoot other families instead of gangbanging them.
Anonymous at 19:16:56 on 23/11:
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
Anonymous at 18:27:12 on 23/11:
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Anonymous at 14:45:49 on 23/11:
*edit*
Anonymous at 14:44:53 on 23/11:
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
Anonymous at 10:30:45 on 23/11:
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
Anonymous at 23:47:00 on 22/11:
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
Anonymous at 23:31:47 on 22/11:
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
*edit*
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
I get your problem and I understand what you're trying to say but do you also get my point of view?
Penta is blooded to Oblivion so shooting them right now is a no-go. Oblivions did have Haramiler as their target. Meaning when Haramiler becomes stronger again, they WILL shoot Oblivion. So not shooting them will mean death of Haramiler.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Removing both would be best :P
ps. Blacksea didn't win shit, if anyone won it was Penta / Oblivions / Haramiler
But even they didn't win anything, they should learn how to shoot other families instead of gangbanging them.
You are missing a point there.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
The point is, what other choice did Levi and Destination have?
Krays/Notte/Psychonymous (Alphabetical order) tried to rank/start up without joining this big Turkish faggotry. You saw what happened to them. They got groupraped. So for Destination and Levi it was: Join them or get banged.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Messina is blooded to Pentagram. So if Oblivions and Haramiler shoot each other, the only one benefitting would be? Right Messina. That's where your whole argument starts to fall apart. Replacing Oblivions and Haramiler with Messina would benefit the version as a whole, but Pentagram and Messina. Or in simpler words, do you think Messina would gun Pentagram down?
That's why I don't consider it to be better if Messina was up than Haramiler.
So your suggestion for Oblivions would be: Just wait untill Haramiler shoots you guys?
My wish is them and Blacksea/Turkuz alliance shooting Penta together.
To open up some room for this version. You haven't said, why they should shoot Haramiler.
And what's the long term gain for them if they suicide on Haramiler. Except that they help Messina.
So my guess is you are from Messina and want use them to go up again. Just me guessing, though. Otherwise Oblivions can always make peace with the blacksea/Turkuz alliance. And be happy with a stalemate.
Anonymous (23:38:18 - 23-11)
Anonymous at 21:24:23 on 23/11:
You are missing a point there.
The point is, what other choice did Levi and Destination have?
Krays/Notte/Psychonymous (Alphabetical order) tried to rank/start up without joining this big Turkish faggotry. You saw what happened to them. They got groupraped. So for Destination and Levi it was: Join them or get banged.
Messina is blooded to Pentagram. So if Oblivions and Haramiler shoot each other, the only one benefitting would be? Right Messina. That's where your whole argument starts to fall apart. Replacing Oblivions and Haramiler with Messina would benefit the version as a whole, but Pentagram and Messina. Or in simpler words, do you think Messina would gun Pentagram down?
That's why I don't consider it to be better if Messina was up than Haramiler.
Anonymous at 20:01:31 on 23/11:
I get your problem and I understand what you're trying to say but do you also get my point of view?
Penta is blooded to Oblivion so shooting them right now is a no-go. Oblivions did have Haramiler as their target. Meaning when Haramiler becomes stronger again, they WILL shoot Oblivion. So not shooting them will mean death of Haramiler.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Removing both would be best :P
ps. Blacksea didn't win shit, if anyone won it was Penta / Oblivions / Haramiler
But even they didn't win anything, they should learn how to shoot other families instead of gangbanging them.
Anonymous at 19:16:56 on 23/11:
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
Anonymous at 18:27:12 on 23/11:
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Anonymous at 14:45:49 on 23/11:
*edit*
Anonymous at 14:44:53 on 23/11:
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
Anonymous at 10:30:45 on 23/11:
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
Anonymous at 23:47:00 on 22/11:
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
Anonymous at 23:31:47 on 22/11:
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
*edit*
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
I get your problem and I understand what you're trying to say but do you also get my point of view?
Penta is blooded to Oblivion so shooting them right now is a no-go. Oblivions did have Haramiler as their target. Meaning when Haramiler becomes stronger again, they WILL shoot Oblivion. So not shooting them will mean death of Haramiler.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Removing both would be best :P
ps. Blacksea didn't win shit, if anyone won it was Penta / Oblivions / Haramiler
But even they didn't win anything, they should learn how to shoot other families instead of gangbanging them.
You are missing a point there.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
The point is, what other choice did Levi and Destination have?
Krays/Notte/Psychonymous (Alphabetical order) tried to rank/start up without joining this big Turkish faggotry. You saw what happened to them. They got groupraped. So for Destination and Levi it was: Join them or get banged.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Messina is blooded to Pentagram. So if Oblivions and Haramiler shoot each other, the only one benefitting would be? Right Messina. That's where your whole argument starts to fall apart. Replacing Oblivions and Haramiler with Messina would benefit the version as a whole, but Pentagram and Messina. Or in simpler words, do you think Messina would gun Pentagram down?
That's why I don't consider it to be better if Messina was up than Haramiler.
So your suggestion for Oblivions would be: Just wait untill Haramiler shoots you guys?
Anonymous (21:24:23 - 23-11)
Anonymous at 20:01:31 on 23/11:
I get your problem and I understand what you're trying to say but do you also get my point of view?
Penta is blooded to Oblivion so shooting them right now is a no-go. Oblivions did have Haramiler as their target. Meaning when Haramiler becomes stronger again, they WILL shoot Oblivion. So not shooting them will mean death of Haramiler.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Removing both would be best :P
ps. Blacksea didn't win shit, if anyone won it was Penta / Oblivions / Haramiler
But even they didn't win anything, they should learn how to shoot other families instead of gangbanging them.
Anonymous at 19:16:56 on 23/11:
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
Anonymous at 18:27:12 on 23/11:
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Anonymous at 14:45:49 on 23/11:
*edit*
Anonymous at 14:44:53 on 23/11:
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
Anonymous at 10:30:45 on 23/11:
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
Anonymous at 23:47:00 on 22/11:
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
Anonymous at 23:31:47 on 22/11:
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
*edit*
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
I get your problem and I understand what you're trying to say but do you also get my point of view?
Penta is blooded to Oblivion so shooting them right now is a no-go. Oblivions did have Haramiler as their target. Meaning when Haramiler becomes stronger again, they WILL shoot Oblivion. So not shooting them will mean death of Haramiler.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Removing both would be best :P
ps. Blacksea didn't win shit, if anyone won it was Penta / Oblivions / Haramiler
But even they didn't win anything, they should learn how to shoot other families instead of gangbanging them.
You are missing a point there.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
The point is, what other choice did Levi and Destination have?
Krays/Notte/Psychonymous (Alphabetical order) tried to rank/start up without joining this big Turkish faggotry. You saw what happened to them. They got groupraped. So for Destination and Levi it was: Join them or get banged.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Messina is blooded to Pentagram. So if Oblivions and Haramiler shoot each other, the only one benefitting would be? Right Messina. That's where your whole argument starts to fall apart. Replacing Oblivions and Haramiler with Messina would benefit the version as a whole, but Pentagram and Messina. Or in simpler words, do you think Messina would gun Pentagram down?
That's why I don't consider it to be better if Messina was up than Haramiler.
Anonymous (20:01:31 - 23-11)
Anonymous at 19:16:56 on 23/11:
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
Anonymous at 18:27:12 on 23/11:
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Anonymous at 14:45:49 on 23/11:
*edit*
Anonymous at 14:44:53 on 23/11:
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
Anonymous at 10:30:45 on 23/11:
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
Anonymous at 23:47:00 on 22/11:
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
Anonymous at 23:31:47 on 22/11:
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
*edit*
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
I get your problem and I understand what you're trying to say but do you also get my point of view?
Penta is blooded to Oblivion so shooting them right now is a no-go. Oblivions did have Haramiler as their target. Meaning when Haramiler becomes stronger again, they WILL shoot Oblivion. So not shooting them will mean death of Haramiler.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Removing both would be best :P
ps. Blacksea didn't win shit, if anyone won it was Penta / Oblivions / Haramiler
But even they didn't win anything, they should learn how to shoot other families instead of gangbanging them.
Anonymous (19:59:01 - 23-11)
winner BLACKSEA
Anonymous (19:16:56 - 23-11)
Anonymous at 18:27:12 on 23/11:
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Anonymous at 14:45:49 on 23/11:
*edit*
Anonymous at 14:44:53 on 23/11:
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
Anonymous at 10:30:45 on 23/11:
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
Anonymous at 23:47:00 on 22/11:
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
Anonymous at 23:31:47 on 22/11:
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
*edit*
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
Anonymous (18:27:12 - 23-11)
Anonymous at 14:45:49 on 23/11:
*edit*
Anonymous at 14:44:53 on 23/11:
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
Anonymous at 10:30:45 on 23/11:
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
Anonymous at 23:47:00 on 22/11:
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
Anonymous at 23:31:47 on 22/11:
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
*edit*
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Anonymous (14:45:49 - 23-11)
Anonymous at 14:44:53 on 23/11:
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
Anonymous at 10:30:45 on 23/11:
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
Anonymous at 23:47:00 on 22/11:
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
Anonymous at 23:31:47 on 22/11:
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
*edit*
Anonymous (14:44:53 - 23-11)
Anonymous at 10:30:45 on 23/11:
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
Anonymous at 23:47:00 on 22/11:
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
Anonymous at 23:31:47 on 22/11:
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider anafarta to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
Fiducci (12:36:51 - 23-11)
maybe develope a new feature is an option^^. When you have shot you're first bullets, lock the dets and for the time beeing till one of the 2 has been killed. It's a nice solution against mass raping.
Fiducci (12:23:08 - 23-11)
(founder Rogero)(top statement)
After 7 days up, we decided at us that following a turkish course was no option. For many of us with this realism in mind, the only motivation they could find is shooting till the last bullet; what they did.
Or we made a difference within those 7 days? Ofcourse we did; we said NO to grouping (with other words pact working, this time it's a turkish alliance pact if you ask me; only worse ,the PACT haven't shot 5 brugs with 10 families), we we're willing to shoot for objects instead of making friends for claiming, choose and defending our bloods for real till the last bullet and ofcourse not fearing any alliance when you have 60k atleast in you're pocket. These fundamentals we're the princips to start the family with and to die for. We've accomplished a nice start of the family (Rogero since 3.5), a continue in the next versions and a fine coorporationship with other families for bringing back the oldskool days.
Thanks Rogerians for the nice play, although 7 days we're abit too short :p and thanks for the shooting families at our side for dying with honour together, and for the fun.
Rogero out
After 7 days up, we decided at us that following a turkish course was no option. For many of us with this realism in mind, the only motivation they could find is shooting till the last bullet; what they did.
Or we made a difference within those 7 days? Ofcourse we did; we said NO to grouping (with other words pact working, this time it's a turkish alliance pact if you ask me; only worse ,the PACT haven't shot 5 brugs with 10 families), we we're willing to shoot for objects instead of making friends for claiming, choose and defending our bloods for real till the last bullet and ofcourse not fearing any alliance when you have 60k atleast in you're pocket. These fundamentals we're the princips to start the family with and to die for. We've accomplished a nice start of the family (Rogero since 3.5), a continue in the next versions and a fine coorporationship with other families for bringing back the oldskool days.
Thanks Rogerians for the nice play, although 7 days we're abit too short :p and thanks for the shooting families at our side for dying with honour together, and for the fun.
Rogero out
Anonymous (10:30:45 - 23-11)
Anonymous at 23:47:00 on 22/11:
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
Anonymous at 23:31:47 on 22/11:
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
Anonymous (09:02:25 - 23-11)
Haramiler didint shoot Regenum
Space (01:30:35 - 23-11)
-Regnum war:
Anafarta, Blacksea, Catania, Faffie, Haramiler, Karadeniz, Lioni, Oblivions, Ottoman, Pentagram, Trafficante, Turkuz, Vicaria, Yigidos Vs. Regnum, Stigmata
(while everyone knows regnum is just a huggin family not even worth of a attack)
- Maraz war
it is funny that you mention this because they were attacking and you just sweeped in not actaully initiated a war yourself how many other families have done this already.... sidenote: and your proud of killing maraz? one of the families that are know to be a easy kill...
- Anadolu war
This is the only war that oblivions done somethin that supprised the rest. even though alot of families but cant be blamed because Anadolu was strong themself.
So mister Oblivions participated in just 1 actaul war this version? That is a winner? :')
Where were you guys when the big boys were playing just huggin? And on a sidenote you shooting #1 does not mean shit at all. Maybe in your simple minds that cant actaully think like a tactical family, thats why u guys should not have a own family.
Shooting #1 just means you shot huggers nothing more *sigh*
My question remains what did one of those families do as a impact that they can be remembered by? Still nothing just closed down the version with 20 other hugger families.
Anafarta, Blacksea, Catania, Faffie, Haramiler, Karadeniz, Lioni, Oblivions, Ottoman, Pentagram, Trafficante, Turkuz, Vicaria, Yigidos Vs. Regnum, Stigmata
(while everyone knows regnum is just a huggin family not even worth of a attack)
- Maraz war
it is funny that you mention this because they were attacking and you just sweeped in not actaully initiated a war yourself how many other families have done this already.... sidenote: and your proud of killing maraz? one of the families that are know to be a easy kill...
- Anadolu war
This is the only war that oblivions done somethin that supprised the rest. even though alot of families but cant be blamed because Anadolu was strong themself.
So mister Oblivions participated in just 1 actaul war this version? That is a winner? :')
Where were you guys when the big boys were playing just huggin? And on a sidenote you shooting #1 does not mean shit at all. Maybe in your simple minds that cant actaully think like a tactical family, thats why u guys should not have a own family.
Shooting #1 just means you shot huggers nothing more *sigh*
My question remains what did one of those families do as a impact that they can be remembered by? Still nothing just closed down the version with 20 other hugger families.
Anonymous (01:18:27 - 23-11)
Anonymous at 01:16:22 on 23/11:
Plz look for regnum anadolu and maraz wars...oblivions shot #1 families twice and the wars isnt unfair both side have same brugs :)
Space at 01:10:26 on 23/11:
I dont know who you can call a winner?
Pentagram?
Oblivions?
Blacksea?
Seriously these families did not do anything with a huge impact that they can called be winners. They basiclly locked the version down with 20 families not allowing other families to go up. even if they try they get shot on a crazy ratio meaning 85% of the brugliones shoots 10 brugs max. That is not called winning that is called screwing the game.
Sure you can have your gold star which actaully equals shit in the actaul opinion. These families just waited and waited till the big boys killed each other and than started to play the bully on rebirth accounts.
In other words give these families their gold star and reset the game. Let's see if they can live up to that gold star next version.
I dont know who you can call a winner?
Pentagram?
Oblivions?
Blacksea?
Seriously these families did not do anything with a huge impact that they can called be winners. They basiclly locked the version down with 20 families not allowing other families to go up. even if they try they get shot on a crazy ratio meaning 85% of the brugliones shoots 10 brugs max. That is not called winning that is called screwing the game.
Sure you can have your gold star which actaully equals shit in the actaul opinion. These families just waited and waited till the big boys killed each other and than started to play the bully on rebirth accounts.
In other words give these families their gold star and reset the game. Let's see if they can live up to that gold star next version.
Plz look for regnum anadolu and maraz wars...oblivions shot #1 families twice and the wars isnt unfair both side have same brugs :)
Every1 said that wers is over winner is anadolu ally but we have change the game's destiny :)
The version isn't over yet imo... oblivions were planning on haramiler. also venutti was involved in planning to attack. Also nazdrovia is still up.
Or did we all make up and give eachother a hug?
Ofc, Nazdrovia is the one family that has a history of making game changing moves and reopen versions... (@ Nazdrovians, that was sarcasm)
Oblivions will go rip soonish, but killing Haramiler would accomplish excactly what?
It might give Messina a chance to start up again, to do what excactly?
Version is over, hugged to death by a huge gay Turkish pact, as-oneing this version instead of shooting it out.
Unless masspillories decimate Pentagram this version, and also takes some other Turkish dupes with them, it is game over.
Famless chief+ accounts might cause some havoc, but I doubt that will happen.
So what you're saying is killing haramiler won't accomplish anything. they had haramiler as target, they can wait and die or shoot after all and perhaps survive.
Waiting is equal to dieing for them right.now.
I asked you, what it will accomplish besides giving Messina the chance to start up again, to do what?
Want to make a difference, kill the high famworth families. Kill Pentagram and their as-one Karadeniz. Then anafarta, gelibolu and all those other Turk pacts. And if time permits it, shoot down Faildrovia again.
I just don't consider Haramila to be such an awesome target. And I am not sure, that Messina starting up, is such a cool goal. They will just say, hey Pentagram we are bloods remember?
*edit*
thing is, oblivion is blooded to pentagram.
knowing haramiler will target them when they get stronger again, makes haramiler a fine target with the goal to just simply survive.
maybe messina comes back, to me the more sides the better. Right now we see 20 families on one side. I don't think messina will all of a sudden dominate anything. I think they'd probably die reasonably fast.
I must say I prefer to see some of those huggers families down really.
Yeah, but why Haramiler?
And shooting down Haramiler to make room for Messina makes no sense in terms of making the version better.
You replace one non-Turk fam with another. And I don't consider messina to be better than Haramiler. Want to make a difference, kill pentagram, they are in the center of this blood instead of shoot faggotry.
Remove Pentagram, Oblivion and Haramiler can shoot each other. Let Pentagram live nothing happens.
I get your problem and I understand what you're trying to say but do you also get my point of view?
Penta is blooded to Oblivion so shooting them right now is a no-go. Oblivions did have Haramiler as their target. Meaning when Haramiler becomes stronger again, they WILL shoot Oblivion. So not shooting them will mean death of Haramiler.
Next to that you say Haramiler is a non-turk family like Messina. I completely agree, the only difference is: Haramiler joined a Turk alliance. They are part of the Turk-pact. If they wouldn't have been in that pact, it wouldn't matter. But now they are on the same 1 side as 20 other families.
So in that case Messina in would actually mean a difference for the version. Blacksea + Pentagram are the base of the pact just like you said. Removing 1 of them would already be a step into a better direction for this game.
Removing both would be best :P
ps. Blacksea didn't win shit, if anyone won it was Penta / Oblivions / Haramiler
But even they didn't win anything, they should learn how to shoot other families instead of gangbanging them.
You are missing a point there.
The point is, what other choice did Levi and Destination have?
Krays/Notte/Psychonymous (Alphabetical order) tried to rank/start up without joining this big Turkish faggotry. You saw what happened to them. They got groupraped. So for Destination and Levi it was: Join them or get banged.
Messina is blooded to Pentagram. So if Oblivions and Haramiler shoot each other, the only one benefitting would be? Right Messina. That's where your whole argument starts to fall apart. Replacing Oblivions and Haramiler with Messina would benefit the version as a whole, but Pentagram and Messina. Or in simpler words, do you think Messina would gun Pentagram down?
That's why I don't consider it to be better if Messina was up than Haramiler.
So your suggestion for Oblivions would be: Just wait untill Haramiler shoots you guys?
My wish is them and Blacksea/Turkuz alliance shooting Penta together.
To open up some room for this version. You haven't said, why they should shoot Haramiler.
And what's the long term gain for them if they suicide on Haramiler. Except that they help Messina.
So my guess is you are from Messina and want use them to go up again. Just me guessing, though. Otherwise Oblivions can always make peace with the blacksea/Turkuz alliance. And be happy with a stalemate.
No, I'm not Messina actually. I'm just someone that likes to see the version a bit more open and people actually shooting their targets. Rather that than three alliances sucking eachother to stay alive. I don't really mind what families come back in, as long as they'll be actively shooting.
Anyway you got your wish. Now let's see if anything awesome happens. I still doubt that Levi-Desti going down was beneficial for the version as a whole.