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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Anonymous (19:44:56 - 18-08)
Anonymous (19:42:54 - 18-08)
Olmert at 16:59:14 on 18/08:
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no shit sherlock :x
Anonymous at 16:57:59 on 18/08:
my guess gambino :P
Anonymous at 16:55:35 on 18/08:
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
my guess gambino :P
no shit sherlock :x
Attack vs dig on its way. last fam just joined in. watch the moneydrops soon
Anonymous (18:47:27 - 18-08)
Anonymous at 17:22:14 on 18/08:
And cleaning the guns!
Anonymous at 17:21:50 on 18/08:
Yup they are already putting gas on the planes and cars!
Anonymous at 16:55:35 on 18/08:
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Yup they are already putting gas on the planes and cars!
And cleaning the guns!
again :)?? their guns must be shiny like a mirror by now
Anonymous (17:22:14 - 18-08)
Anonymous at 17:21:50 on 18/08:
Yup they are already putting gas on the planes and cars!
Anonymous at 16:55:35 on 18/08:
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Yup they are already putting gas on the planes and cars!
And cleaning the guns!
Anonymous (17:21:50 - 18-08)
Anonymous at 16:55:35 on 18/08:
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Yup they are already putting gas on the planes and cars!
Anonymous at 16:57:59 on 18/08:
my guess gambino :P
Anonymous at 16:55:35 on 18/08:
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
my guess gambino :P
no shit sherlock :x
Anonymous (16:57:59 - 18-08)
Anonymous at 16:55:35 on 18/08:
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
my guess gambino :P
Anonymous (16:55:35 - 18-08)
Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Anonymous (16:39:37 - 18-08)
Anonymous at 16:36:38 on 18/08:
War tonight!
War tonight!
Anonymous (16:36:38 - 18-08)
War tonight!
Anonymous (12:47:18 - 18-08)
Anonymous at 12:24:30 on 18/08:
Top 10 (ing stats) fams from an accounthugger perspective
Famname/ weeks up / wars /
Ilimitada / 29 / 4 / war every 7,25 weeks
Xzone / 29 / 1/ war every 29 weeks
Trafficante / 29 / 4 / war every 7,25 weeks
Carneglia / 29 / 8 / war every 3,63 weeks
Righelli / 10/ 2/ war every 5 weeks
Guardians 29 / 7 / war every 4,15 weeks
Krays / 6 / no wars in last 6 weeks
Gambino no correct stats available due to hq takeover
Marazzino no correct stats available due to hq takeover
Venture 29/ 8 / war every 3,63 weeks
I dont know enough about target deviding in the wars, so counted each envolvement as 1 no matter how many (or few) targets they got and took down.
Top 10 (ing stats) fams from an accounthugger perspective
Famname/ weeks up / wars /
Ilimitada / 29 / 4 / war every 7,25 weeks
Xzone / 29 / 1/ war every 29 weeks
Trafficante / 29 / 4 / war every 7,25 weeks
Carneglia / 29 / 8 / war every 3,63 weeks
Righelli / 10/ 2/ war every 5 weeks
Guardians 29 / 7 / war every 4,15 weeks
Krays / 6 / no wars in last 6 weeks
Gambino no correct stats available due to hq takeover
Marazzino no correct stats available due to hq takeover
Venture 29/ 8 / war every 3,63 weeks
I dont know enough about target deviding in the wars, so counted each envolvement as 1 no matter how many (or few) targets they got and took down.
you really think carneglia been 'the most' attacking fam ?
all they do is ask bloods to retalliate and when bloods shoot shoot once or twice, till they appear on this site, then back out and go hiding in villa cause they are scared..
lol
Gambino 'no correct information' cause they exist for like 2 weeks ? since beeing shot 2/3 times cause they opened this version with other fams (and opened the few wars there where (When they lived) ?
the rest seems more correct, altho maraz is
Anonymous (12:32:08 - 18-08)
Anonymous at 11:35:02 on 18/08:
but think about it say if they did reward after a war with say 3mil bullets (depending on target fam size) thats atleast enough to set your main rankers and online people up with another few shots to atleast shoot back after wars worst thing was always bullets bg's and all can be bought so easy on obay bullets cant take forever especially if you got slow internet :')
Olmert at 11:31:00 on 18/08:
I prefer the KS for a fam because for reloading and shit you got objects still....
Anonymous at 10:06:50 on 18/08:
good thinking but those are some drastic changes, i like it tho +1
Josephc at 01:24:43 on 18/08:
One of the ideas I posited in a suggestions thread awhile ago that I never went really far with was having a "bounty" on each family or hq spot.
My basic idea was based on HQ size, famworth, famrank, or whatever metric you wanted to use; a bounty would be created on the family in question. The family of whomever killed the final successor of the downed family would be rewarded with the bounty.
You could have it tiered so that the largest families might reward the successful attacker with say 10 million bullets, or $5 Billion or 240,000 units of Cocaine (I don't know if these numbers would be right, I'm just throwing out numbers that would incentivize killing other families). And, then, move down there for smaller families.
Even with this somewhat simple idea, you can add a little more intrigue to wars. Imagine a small family coming in and sniping the final kill on a family and getting hugely rewarded for doing so. Or you could want to organize your entire family to be on at a certain time for war because you don't want to worry about splitting or sharing the bounty with other families.
If you wanted to make the idea more dynamic you could hide what each family is sitting on, and have occassional "leaks" to members of other families. "Family X will be receiving a large shipment of bullets to their headquarters on August 22 according to one of our informants" or something along those lines in a few members inboxes.
Another idea might be to add a scenario at the end of kill scenario:
You have killed Godfather Blah!
With no leadership left to defend Family X you have been granted access to their headquarters. Your family joined you in looting the headquarters and other properties. Your family has received:
5,900,000 Bullets
$10,200,000 Cash
710 Units of Cocaine
400 Units of Beer
60 Avus Streamliners
Or whatever you wanted to do with it.
I'm sure others could do more with the idea than I ever could from an imagination perspective, and, actually, I don't even know if it would help spur more wars or not; if people were that interested in shooting/wars they'd be having them now.
One of the ideas I posited in a suggestions thread awhile ago that I never went really far with was having a "bounty" on each family or hq spot.
My basic idea was based on HQ size, famworth, famrank, or whatever metric you wanted to use; a bounty would be created on the family in question. The family of whomever killed the final successor of the downed family would be rewarded with the bounty.
You could have it tiered so that the largest families might reward the successful attacker with say 10 million bullets, or $5 Billion or 240,000 units of Cocaine (I don't know if these numbers would be right, I'm just throwing out numbers that would incentivize killing other families). And, then, move down there for smaller families.
Even with this somewhat simple idea, you can add a little more intrigue to wars. Imagine a small family coming in and sniping the final kill on a family and getting hugely rewarded for doing so. Or you could want to organize your entire family to be on at a certain time for war because you don't want to worry about splitting or sharing the bounty with other families.
If you wanted to make the idea more dynamic you could hide what each family is sitting on, and have occassional "leaks" to members of other families. "Family X will be receiving a large shipment of bullets to their headquarters on August 22 according to one of our informants" or something along those lines in a few members inboxes.
Another idea might be to add a scenario at the end of kill scenario:
You have killed Godfather Blah!
With no leadership left to defend Family X you have been granted access to their headquarters. Your family joined you in looting the headquarters and other properties. Your family has received:
5,900,000 Bullets
$10,200,000 Cash
710 Units of Cocaine
400 Units of Beer
60 Avus Streamliners
Or whatever you wanted to do with it.
I'm sure others could do more with the idea than I ever could from an imagination perspective, and, actually, I don't even know if it would help spur more wars or not; if people were that interested in shooting/wars they'd be having them now.
good thinking but those are some drastic changes, i like it tho +1
I prefer the KS for a fam because for reloading and shit you got objects still....
but think about it say if they did reward after a war with say 3mil bullets (depending on target fam size) thats atleast enough to set your main rankers and online people up with another few shots to atleast shoot back after wars worst thing was always bullets bg's and all can be bought so easy on obay bullets cant take forever especially if you got slow internet :')
all opinions based upon the bad ideas from players ;
'when where there a lot of wars'
1. Before this site ( LoL )
2. Before any retard asshole could stack up his account.
KS has nothing to do with it.
All ideas about rewarding stuff is rewarding either abusers or retards. Both kinda fuck up this game.
As soon as those +- 70 retard families could not even stack 1 million bullets on a account ( or 500k on 20 ) then it would be much easier for 'players' to make a difference between capable and retarded.
Now that difference is what.... nothing.
Therefor, raise the Bullet price, remove scratch, unlimited obay sellpackage or limit it to 30k or so ( Seen this an oldskool setting - 3k is another ridiculed measure )
so -- if i need 100 million to get 100k but with that i can shoot 10 people cause they are retarded and cant get money (thus bullets) its always better then having 1.000.000 bullets for 1.000.000.000 cash cause then every retarded player (+ about 80% of the fams) has at least 500k bullets.
See gambino, died, in 2 months back in top 10 with more fams in total then before, allready owning several fams in power, with less players, but could they make a difference ? Or those 7 from indelicato -
no - why - cause if they shoot 5 times they allready are 'just as weak' as an retarded player. Enhancing anything which means u can have acces to more money or bullets *(besides obay- user transactions...)* meeans more retards can have more bullets - which makes players need a lot more time before they can make a difference.
Just my 2 cents, i allready know almost everybody here is retarded, just as me, i like abusing the ways to get money and bullets, but hell, still think people like me should not be able to get 400k+ in 2 months with an 0 bullets and money rebirth (+300% rank)
DUMB GAME DESERVES DUMB PLAYERS
Anonymous (12:24:30 - 18-08)
Top 10 (ing stats) fams from an accounthugger perspective
Famname/ weeks up / wars /
Ilimitada / 29 / 4 / war every 7,25 weeks
Xzone / 29 / 1/ war every 29 weeks
Trafficante / 29 / 4 / war every 7,25 weeks
Carneglia / 29 / 8 / war every 3,63 weeks
Righelli / 10/ 2/ war every 5 weeks
Guardians 29 / 7 / war every 4,15 weeks
Krays / 6 / no wars in last 6 weeks
Gambino no correct stats available due to hq takeover
Marazzino no correct stats available due to hq takeover
Venture 29/ 8 / war every 3,63 weeks
I dont know enough about target deviding in the wars, so counted each envolvement as 1 no matter how many (or few) targets they got and took down.
Famname/ weeks up / wars /
Ilimitada / 29 / 4 / war every 7,25 weeks
Xzone / 29 / 1/ war every 29 weeks
Trafficante / 29 / 4 / war every 7,25 weeks
Carneglia / 29 / 8 / war every 3,63 weeks
Righelli / 10/ 2/ war every 5 weeks
Guardians 29 / 7 / war every 4,15 weeks
Krays / 6 / no wars in last 6 weeks
Gambino no correct stats available due to hq takeover
Marazzino no correct stats available due to hq takeover
Venture 29/ 8 / war every 3,63 weeks
I dont know enough about target deviding in the wars, so counted each envolvement as 1 no matter how many (or few) targets they got and took down.
Anonymous (12:06:14 - 18-08)
Anonymous at 12:05:14 on 18/08:
I´m not sure about KS for families, a hughe family in terms of membercount can kill a significant bigger amount than a smaller family would be able to. Which means the members of the smaller families would have to shoot perhaps 3 times the amount of people to get that SAME KS compared to the bigger one who can just hug around more often, stack bullets and kill the smaller family after that.
In my oppinion killingskill should be something that is based on the kills you made (perhaps like a ladder system, killing a high ranked player with alot of system will gain you more ks rather than killing an extremely low ranked player) and is completely hidden from other players.
Just a raw idea I personaly have.
I´m not sure about KS for families, a hughe family in terms of membercount can kill a significant bigger amount than a smaller family would be able to. Which means the members of the smaller families would have to shoot perhaps 3 times the amount of people to get that SAME KS compared to the bigger one who can just hug around more often, stack bullets and kill the smaller family after that.
In my oppinion killingskill should be something that is based on the kills you made (perhaps like a ladder system, killing a high ranked player with alot of system will gain you more ks rather than killing an extremely low ranked player) and is completely hidden from other players.
Just a raw idea I personaly have.
With that I mean killingskill should be individual.
Anonymous (12:05:14 - 18-08)
I´m not sure about KS for families, a hughe family in terms of membercount can kill a significant bigger amount than a smaller family would be able to. Which means the members of the smaller families would have to shoot perhaps 3 times the amount of people to get that SAME KS compared to the bigger one who can just hug around more often, stack bullets and kill the smaller family after that.
In my oppinion killingskill should be something that is based on the kills you made (perhaps like a ladder system, killing a high ranked player with alot of system will gain you more ks rather than killing an extremely low ranked player) and is completely hidden from other players.
Just a raw idea I personaly have.
In my oppinion killingskill should be something that is based on the kills you made (perhaps like a ladder system, killing a high ranked player with alot of system will gain you more ks rather than killing an extremely low ranked player) and is completely hidden from other players.
Just a raw idea I personaly have.
Anonymous (11:35:02 - 18-08)
Olmert at 11:31:00 on 18/08:
I prefer the KS for a fam because for reloading and shit you got objects still....
Anonymous at 10:06:50 on 18/08:
good thinking but those are some drastic changes, i like it tho +1
Josephc at 01:24:43 on 18/08:
One of the ideas I posited in a suggestions thread awhile ago that I never went really far with was having a "bounty" on each family or hq spot.
My basic idea was based on HQ size, famworth, famrank, or whatever metric you wanted to use; a bounty would be created on the family in question. The family of whomever killed the final successor of the downed family would be rewarded with the bounty.
You could have it tiered so that the largest families might reward the successful attacker with say 10 million bullets, or $5 Billion or 240,000 units of Cocaine (I don't know if these numbers would be right, I'm just throwing out numbers that would incentivize killing other families). And, then, move down there for smaller families.
Even with this somewhat simple idea, you can add a little more intrigue to wars. Imagine a small family coming in and sniping the final kill on a family and getting hugely rewarded for doing so. Or you could want to organize your entire family to be on at a certain time for war because you don't want to worry about splitting or sharing the bounty with other families.
If you wanted to make the idea more dynamic you could hide what each family is sitting on, and have occassional "leaks" to members of other families. "Family X will be receiving a large shipment of bullets to their headquarters on August 22 according to one of our informants" or something along those lines in a few members inboxes.
Another idea might be to add a scenario at the end of kill scenario:
You have killed Godfather Blah!
With no leadership left to defend Family X you have been granted access to their headquarters. Your family joined you in looting the headquarters and other properties. Your family has received:
5,900,000 Bullets
$10,200,000 Cash
710 Units of Cocaine
400 Units of Beer
60 Avus Streamliners
Or whatever you wanted to do with it.
I'm sure others could do more with the idea than I ever could from an imagination perspective, and, actually, I don't even know if it would help spur more wars or not; if people were that interested in shooting/wars they'd be having them now.
One of the ideas I posited in a suggestions thread awhile ago that I never went really far with was having a "bounty" on each family or hq spot.
My basic idea was based on HQ size, famworth, famrank, or whatever metric you wanted to use; a bounty would be created on the family in question. The family of whomever killed the final successor of the downed family would be rewarded with the bounty.
You could have it tiered so that the largest families might reward the successful attacker with say 10 million bullets, or $5 Billion or 240,000 units of Cocaine (I don't know if these numbers would be right, I'm just throwing out numbers that would incentivize killing other families). And, then, move down there for smaller families.
Even with this somewhat simple idea, you can add a little more intrigue to wars. Imagine a small family coming in and sniping the final kill on a family and getting hugely rewarded for doing so. Or you could want to organize your entire family to be on at a certain time for war because you don't want to worry about splitting or sharing the bounty with other families.
If you wanted to make the idea more dynamic you could hide what each family is sitting on, and have occassional "leaks" to members of other families. "Family X will be receiving a large shipment of bullets to their headquarters on August 22 according to one of our informants" or something along those lines in a few members inboxes.
Another idea might be to add a scenario at the end of kill scenario:
You have killed Godfather Blah!
With no leadership left to defend Family X you have been granted access to their headquarters. Your family joined you in looting the headquarters and other properties. Your family has received:
5,900,000 Bullets
$10,200,000 Cash
710 Units of Cocaine
400 Units of Beer
60 Avus Streamliners
Or whatever you wanted to do with it.
I'm sure others could do more with the idea than I ever could from an imagination perspective, and, actually, I don't even know if it would help spur more wars or not; if people were that interested in shooting/wars they'd be having them now.
good thinking but those are some drastic changes, i like it tho +1
I prefer the KS for a fam because for reloading and shit you got objects still....
but think about it say if they did reward after a war with say 3mil bullets (depending on target fam size) thats atleast enough to set your main rankers and online people up with another few shots to atleast shoot back after wars worst thing was always bullets bg's and all can be bought so easy on obay bullets cant take forever especially if you got slow internet :')
Anonymous at 10:06:50 on 18/08:
good thinking but those are some drastic changes, i like it tho +1
Josephc at 01:24:43 on 18/08:
One of the ideas I posited in a suggestions thread awhile ago that I never went really far with was having a "bounty" on each family or hq spot.
My basic idea was based on HQ size, famworth, famrank, or whatever metric you wanted to use; a bounty would be created on the family in question. The family of whomever killed the final successor of the downed family would be rewarded with the bounty.
You could have it tiered so that the largest families might reward the successful attacker with say 10 million bullets, or $5 Billion or 240,000 units of Cocaine (I don't know if these numbers would be right, I'm just throwing out numbers that would incentivize killing other families). And, then, move down there for smaller families.
Even with this somewhat simple idea, you can add a little more intrigue to wars. Imagine a small family coming in and sniping the final kill on a family and getting hugely rewarded for doing so. Or you could want to organize your entire family to be on at a certain time for war because you don't want to worry about splitting or sharing the bounty with other families.
If you wanted to make the idea more dynamic you could hide what each family is sitting on, and have occassional "leaks" to members of other families. "Family X will be receiving a large shipment of bullets to their headquarters on August 22 according to one of our informants" or something along those lines in a few members inboxes.
Another idea might be to add a scenario at the end of kill scenario:
You have killed Godfather Blah!
With no leadership left to defend Family X you have been granted access to their headquarters. Your family joined you in looting the headquarters and other properties. Your family has received:
5,900,000 Bullets
$10,200,000 Cash
710 Units of Cocaine
400 Units of Beer
60 Avus Streamliners
Or whatever you wanted to do with it.
I'm sure others could do more with the idea than I ever could from an imagination perspective, and, actually, I don't even know if it would help spur more wars or not; if people were that interested in shooting/wars they'd be having them now.
One of the ideas I posited in a suggestions thread awhile ago that I never went really far with was having a "bounty" on each family or hq spot.
My basic idea was based on HQ size, famworth, famrank, or whatever metric you wanted to use; a bounty would be created on the family in question. The family of whomever killed the final successor of the downed family would be rewarded with the bounty.
You could have it tiered so that the largest families might reward the successful attacker with say 10 million bullets, or $5 Billion or 240,000 units of Cocaine (I don't know if these numbers would be right, I'm just throwing out numbers that would incentivize killing other families). And, then, move down there for smaller families.
Even with this somewhat simple idea, you can add a little more intrigue to wars. Imagine a small family coming in and sniping the final kill on a family and getting hugely rewarded for doing so. Or you could want to organize your entire family to be on at a certain time for war because you don't want to worry about splitting or sharing the bounty with other families.
If you wanted to make the idea more dynamic you could hide what each family is sitting on, and have occassional "leaks" to members of other families. "Family X will be receiving a large shipment of bullets to their headquarters on August 22 according to one of our informants" or something along those lines in a few members inboxes.
Another idea might be to add a scenario at the end of kill scenario:
You have killed Godfather Blah!
With no leadership left to defend Family X you have been granted access to their headquarters. Your family joined you in looting the headquarters and other properties. Your family has received:
5,900,000 Bullets
$10,200,000 Cash
710 Units of Cocaine
400 Units of Beer
60 Avus Streamliners
Or whatever you wanted to do with it.
I'm sure others could do more with the idea than I ever could from an imagination perspective, and, actually, I don't even know if it would help spur more wars or not; if people were that interested in shooting/wars they'd be having them now.
good thinking but those are some drastic changes, i like it tho +1
I prefer the KS for a fam because for reloading and shit you got objects still....
Anonymous (10:06:50 - 18-08)
Josephc at 01:24:43 on 18/08:
One of the ideas I posited in a suggestions thread awhile ago that I never went really far with was having a "bounty" on each family or hq spot.
My basic idea was based on HQ size, famworth, famrank, or whatever metric you wanted to use; a bounty would be created on the family in question. The family of whomever killed the final successor of the downed family would be rewarded with the bounty.
You could have it tiered so that the largest families might reward the successful attacker with say 10 million bullets, or $5 Billion or 240,000 units of Cocaine (I don't know if these numbers would be right, I'm just throwing out numbers that would incentivize killing other families). And, then, move down there for smaller families.
Even with this somewhat simple idea, you can add a little more intrigue to wars. Imagine a small family coming in and sniping the final kill on a family and getting hugely rewarded for doing so. Or you could want to organize your entire family to be on at a certain time for war because you don't want to worry about splitting or sharing the bounty with other families.
If you wanted to make the idea more dynamic you could hide what each family is sitting on, and have occassional "leaks" to members of other families. "Family X will be receiving a large shipment of bullets to their headquarters on August 22 according to one of our informants" or something along those lines in a few members inboxes.
Another idea might be to add a scenario at the end of kill scenario:
You have killed Godfather Blah!
With no leadership left to defend Family X you have been granted access to their headquarters. Your family joined you in looting the headquarters and other properties. Your family has received:
5,900,000 Bullets
$10,200,000 Cash
710 Units of Cocaine
400 Units of Beer
60 Avus Streamliners
Or whatever you wanted to do with it.
I'm sure others could do more with the idea than I ever could from an imagination perspective, and, actually, I don't even know if it would help spur more wars or not; if people were that interested in shooting/wars they'd be having them now.
One of the ideas I posited in a suggestions thread awhile ago that I never went really far with was having a "bounty" on each family or hq spot.
My basic idea was based on HQ size, famworth, famrank, or whatever metric you wanted to use; a bounty would be created on the family in question. The family of whomever killed the final successor of the downed family would be rewarded with the bounty.
You could have it tiered so that the largest families might reward the successful attacker with say 10 million bullets, or $5 Billion or 240,000 units of Cocaine (I don't know if these numbers would be right, I'm just throwing out numbers that would incentivize killing other families). And, then, move down there for smaller families.
Even with this somewhat simple idea, you can add a little more intrigue to wars. Imagine a small family coming in and sniping the final kill on a family and getting hugely rewarded for doing so. Or you could want to organize your entire family to be on at a certain time for war because you don't want to worry about splitting or sharing the bounty with other families.
If you wanted to make the idea more dynamic you could hide what each family is sitting on, and have occassional "leaks" to members of other families. "Family X will be receiving a large shipment of bullets to their headquarters on August 22 according to one of our informants" or something along those lines in a few members inboxes.
Another idea might be to add a scenario at the end of kill scenario:
You have killed Godfather Blah!
With no leadership left to defend Family X you have been granted access to their headquarters. Your family joined you in looting the headquarters and other properties. Your family has received:
5,900,000 Bullets
$10,200,000 Cash
710 Units of Cocaine
400 Units of Beer
60 Avus Streamliners
Or whatever you wanted to do with it.
I'm sure others could do more with the idea than I ever could from an imagination perspective, and, actually, I don't even know if it would help spur more wars or not; if people were that interested in shooting/wars they'd be having them now.
good thinking but those are some drastic changes, i like it tho +1
Anonymous (09:52:17 - 18-08)
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Carn and bloods are getting rdy to shoot tonight.
Yup they are already putting gas on the planes and cars!
And cleaning the guns!
again :)?? their guns must be shiny like a mirror by now
Carn only involved for counter. they let bloods fight for them again.