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Steffi Denmark (22:36:07 - 08-01)
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MurderInc at 22:20:35 on 08/01:
Anonymous at 21:53:26 on 08/01:
Ya know, when I was talking about Naivno and asking why he was banned (like officially, what the reason was), I did say sleep cycles occur every hour and a half to two hours. Which is kinda my point as to why there is plenty of evidence here. You can't only have 1 sleep cycle every two DAYS.

I understand you're never going to turn around and say "yes, Naivno cheated" since he was Siberia's Sotto, but he, along with plenty other players, have enough evidence on them for admins to akill based on their on pattern alone even when ontime isn't ridiculously high.
My point was essentially that the graph showed plenty of two-hour cycles (and some one-hour naps). I went through the trouble of counting them and got 44 in the first 10 days:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/lnurm2s.png?1[/img]
A lot of the slightly red-shaded boxes could mean: Was logged in 1 minute right after the hour started, and then logged in at :59 of the next hour (that's how I do my b/n runs for example). This would basically be equal to 2 hours of sleep on every instance. Definitely more than 9 hours.

Anonymous at 21:58:43 on 08/01:
BUT you are using scripts, for basically everything, and most likely mister Naivno did the same, like he always did when he is/was playing. So well, the ingame ontime-logger on bots will show a lot of ontime or show a very rare pattern, which looks impossible to humans. Ofcourse we all know that in fact you are able to sleep longer times, which makes it possible to keep this pattern continueing for a longer period of time.

It's not about if it is possible for humans, we all know that it's basically doable for a specific amount of days to stay awake and sleep as less as possible. After that it's getting more difficult. Especially when being busy as shit with busting, typing 24/7 codes without sleep or even with just 1-2 hours sleep, you'll start to get fucked up. Those short hours of sleep turn out to get deeper sleep and more difficult to wake up. And then in the meanwhile you are busy as shit with nonstop busting (based on legit plays that is). This busting goes in such a speed, you don't keep up that tempo with typing and staring the screen for 24 hours nonstop and pauses of 2 hours sleep. But again, if you don't have to type codes and stuff by yourself, it's ofcourse way easier, we all know it. The only thing is that we can't prove it, while everyone knows it. For instance, buying 5 objects at once, even with 5 tabs opened up you're never fast enough to buy in 1-2 seconds. So well, what can it be then, quite sketchy right?

Also a bit more difficult to report it while we know you're being buddies with the main boy in the game KCode. Maybe that's why the Akills arrive at the end of the version, when everything is done, everything has been played and shit can't be turned. Akill some high rollers which don't cause any problems, you're still winning. Anyway, luckly this stuff shows everyone that you can't win by playing fair. So well, as it's said: just some compensation for the shorty in the shorts. Would be funny to see you struggle without cheats!
Where is the evidence for our scripts? How do you even know that he always scripts when he plays? You don't even know who it is. Please don't pretend you do.

I've stated before that a script for this game that is automated in a way that would make busting feasible (i.e. OCR) is not profitable anymore in this day and age. No one would be crazy enough to either write an OCR for a private script or hire someone to do it, it's quite hard and requires a lot of domain knowledge in various areas of computer science. Add to that the fact that apparently other families, some of them on the other side, didn't have any problems busting that fast and with similar or more ontime as well, and your entire private script theory falls apart.

I wont comment on your claim that I'm buddies with the "main boy" in this game other than saying that I was a) (rightfully) akilled a few years ago when I already knew him, b) Siberia was akilled multiple times since then and c) you would be crazy if you think someone who's invested a good part of his life in this game would risk the future on this game to help some (more or less) random guy he knows online for no apparent gain. It's always fun to see morons like you make those claims, whether it's regarding Bramble or, now that she's gone, KCode. When we're actually losing a version, or get akilled, or get suicided, you people are somehow very quiet. But whenever we end up winning, you come out of your holes like rats and spread your bullshit lies and accuse us of whatever comes to your dimwitted brains. OKAY TURNS OUT I DID COMMENT AFTER ALL. Brb killing puppies.

I need to back up Murderinc here..

I never rly liked playing in pact, and have always played in some small family, my own or someone elses. I decided to join Siberia for the first time this round because Anarchy was so much stronger and everyone i played with was on a break..
And i have to say i have not witnessed any cheating in Siberia this version at all, i cant offcorse not talk by every individual.. but Tops never adressed us members to use any kind of script or hack.. they actually told new members to uninstall Rankscript if they used that in the past as soon as they joined the family channel..
Bassicly Siberia showed me good leadership with a mature top who seemed to have alot of knowlede of hoe the game is played..
I cant speak of past versions offcorse, but only from my experience.. and its been a good ride..
there is actually persons and humans behind those computer screens..

Take care everyone
Regards Steffi o/
Piao China (22:33:16 - 08-01)
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I felt like saying something, but didnt know what to say

so... HAI:D
mmm Netherlands (22:30:13 - 08-01)
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MurderInc at 22:20:35 on 08/01:When we're actually losing a version, or get akilled, or get suicided, you people are somehow very quiet. But whenever we end up winning, you come out of your holes like rats and spread your bullshit lies and accuse us of whatever comes to your dimwitted brains.

That.

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MurderInc Austria (22:20:35 - 08-01)
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Anonymous at 21:53:26 on 08/01:
Ya know, when I was talking about Naivno and asking why he was banned (like officially, what the reason was), I did say sleep cycles occur every hour and a half to two hours. Which is kinda my point as to why there is plenty of evidence here. You can't only have 1 sleep cycle every two DAYS.

I understand you're never going to turn around and say "yes, Naivno cheated" since he was Siberia's Sotto, but he, along with plenty other players, have enough evidence on them for admins to akill based on their on pattern alone even when ontime isn't ridiculously high.
My point was essentially that the graph showed plenty of two-hour cycles (and some one-hour naps). I went through the trouble of counting them and got 44 in the first 10 days:

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A lot of the slightly red-shaded boxes could mean: Was logged in 1 minute right after the hour started, and then logged in at :59 of the next hour (that's how I do my b/n runs for example). This would basically be equal to 2 hours of sleep on every instance. Definitely more than 9 hours.

Anonymous at 21:58:43 on 08/01:
BUT you are using scripts, for basically everything, and most likely mister Naivno did the same, like he always did when he is/was playing. So well, the ingame ontime-logger on bots will show a lot of ontime or show a very rare pattern, which looks impossible to humans. Ofcourse we all know that in fact you are able to sleep longer times, which makes it possible to keep this pattern continueing for a longer period of time.

It's not about if it is possible for humans, we all know that it's basically doable for a specific amount of days to stay awake and sleep as less as possible. After that it's getting more difficult. Especially when being busy as shit with busting, typing 24/7 codes without sleep or even with just 1-2 hours sleep, you'll start to get fucked up. Those short hours of sleep turn out to get deeper sleep and more difficult to wake up. And then in the meanwhile you are busy as shit with nonstop busting (based on legit plays that is). This busting goes in such a speed, you don't keep up that tempo with typing and staring the screen for 24 hours nonstop and pauses of 2 hours sleep. But again, if you don't have to type codes and stuff by yourself, it's ofcourse way easier, we all know it. The only thing is that we can't prove it, while everyone knows it. For instance, buying 5 objects at once, even with 5 tabs opened up you're never fast enough to buy in 1-2 seconds. So well, what can it be then, quite sketchy right?

Also a bit more difficult to report it while we know you're being buddies with the main boy in the game KCode. Maybe that's why the Akills arrive at the end of the version, when everything is done, everything has been played and shit can't be turned. Akill some high rollers which don't cause any problems, you're still winning. Anyway, luckly this stuff shows everyone that you can't win by playing fair. So well, as it's said: just some compensation for the shorty in the shorts. Would be funny to see you struggle without cheats!
Where is the evidence for our scripts? How do you even know that he always scripts when he plays? You don't even know who it is. Please don't pretend you do.

I've stated before that a script for this game that is automated in a way that would make busting feasible (i.e. OCR) is not profitable anymore in this day and age. No one would be crazy enough to either write an OCR for a private script or hire someone to do it, it's quite hard and requires a lot of domain knowledge in various areas of computer science. Add to that the fact that apparently other families, some of them on the other side, didn't have any problems busting that fast and with similar or more ontime as well, and your entire private script theory falls apart.

I wont comment on your claim that I'm buddies with the "main boy" in this game other than saying that I was a) (rightfully) akilled a few years ago when I already knew him, b) Siberia was akilled multiple times since then and c) you would be crazy if you think someone who's invested a good part of his life in this game would risk the future on this game to help some (more or less) random guy he knows online for no apparent gain. It's always fun to see morons like you make those claims, whether it's regarding Bramble or, now that she's gone, KCode. When we're actually losing a version, or get akilled, or get suicided, you people are somehow very quiet. But whenever we end up winning, you come out of your holes like rats and spread your bullshit lies and accuse us of whatever comes to your dimwitted brains. OKAY TURNS OUT I DID COMMENT AFTER ALL. Brb killing puppies.
seiffus (22:16:29 - 08-01)
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Maybe, maybe there is a way out....
What if..
Lackeys are automaticly fired after x (5 ?-10 ? -12 ?) hours of inactivity on the account.
Cash dropped in the pocket and waiting times to hire them again.
They`d be vulnerable and legal targets.
Active accounts, that do their heists and OC in time, are protected that way.
Raise the RP`s you can earn from heists and OC in the lower ranks.
Just limit the time lackeys can work unattended.


Anonymous (21:58:43 - 08-01)
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BUT you are using scripts, for basically everything, and most likely mister Naivno did the same, like he always did when he is/was playing. So well, the ingame ontime-logger on bots will show a lot of ontime or show a very rare pattern, which looks impossible to humans. Ofcourse we all know that in fact you are able to sleep longer times, which makes it possible to keep this pattern continueing for a longer period of time.

It's not about if it is possible for humans, we all know that it's basically doable for a specific amount of days to stay awake and sleep as less as possible. After that it's getting more difficult. Especially when being busy as shit with busting, typing 24/7 codes without sleep or even with just 1-2 hours sleep, you'll start to get fucked up. Those short hours of sleep turn out to get deeper sleep and more difficult to wake up. And then in the meanwhile you are busy as shit with nonstop busting (based on legit plays that is). This busting goes in such a speed, you don't keep up that tempo with typing and staring the screen for 24 hours nonstop and pauses of 2 hours sleep. But again, if you don't have to type codes and stuff by yourself, it's ofcourse way easier, we all know it. The only thing is that we can't prove it, while everyone knows it. For instance, buying 5 objects at once, even with 5 tabs opened up you're never fast enough to buy in 1-2 seconds. So well, what can it be then, quite sketchy right?

Also a bit more difficult to report it while we know you're being buddies with the main boy in the game KCode. Maybe that's why the Akills arrive at the end of the version, when everything is done, everything has been played and shit can't be turned. Akill some high rollers which don't cause any problems, you're still winning. Anyway, luckly this stuff shows everyone that you can't win by playing fair. So well, as it's said: just some compensation for the shorty in the shorts. Would be funny to see you struggle without cheats!
Anonymous (21:53:26 - 08-01)
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MurderInc at 21:24:34 on 08/01:
Anonymous at 21:14:16 on 08/01:
http://i.imgur.com/5PRScRb.png

Naivno had around 9 hours of no Omerta time where he could potentially sleep in the first 10 days. That's basically almost dying in real life kinda stats. At best case scenario he would be unable to play Omerta anyway due to hallucinating and the like.

So people can say "yeah admins don't have proof!", but that is proof in itself. Naivno is certainly not the only one that apparently only goes 2 hours tops between logins (again, unsustainable for more than a few days) so more bans really should come in my opinion for this alone.

You don't need to catch a murderer actually slitting the victims throat in order to convict him when the evidence presented is beyond reasonable doubt.
I don't wanna comment on your other claims, but sustaining a sleep schedule where you wake up every 2 hours is not that hard on your body. It's actually quite close to your natural sleep cycle. To quote:
The first REM sleep period usually occurs about 70 to 90 minutes after we fall asleep. A complete sleep cycle takes 90 to 110 minutes on average.[1]

[1]: http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/brain_basics/understanding_sleep.htm

I've done this myself quite often while ranking and it's manageable for 2 weeks or so. Might be harder if you're someone who has trouble falling asleep again after completely waking up. With that in mind, if you look at the online graph again, you'll see that there was definitely more than 9 hours of sleeping potential.

Ya know, when I was talking about Naivno and asking why he was banned (like officially, what the reason was), I did say sleep cycles occur every hour and a half to two hours. Which is kinda my point as to why there is plenty of evidence here. You can't only have 1 sleep cycle every two DAYS.

I understand you're never going to turn around and say "yes, Naivno cheated" since he was Siberia's Sotto, but he, along with plenty other players, have enough evidence on them for admins to akill based on their on pattern alone even when ontime isn't ridiculously high.
seiffus (21:41:27 - 08-01)
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MurderInc at 21:24:34 on 08/01:
Anonymous at 21:14:16 on 08/01:
http://i.imgur.com/5PRScRb.png

Naivno had around 9 hours of no Omerta time where he could potentially sleep in the first 10 days. That's basically almost dying in real life kinda stats. At best case scenario he would be unable to play Omerta anyway due to hallucinating and the like.

So people can say "yeah admins don't have proof!", but that is proof in itself. Naivno is certainly not the only one that apparently only goes 2 hours tops between logins (again, unsustainable for more than a few days) so more bans really should come in my opinion for this alone.

You don't need to catch a murderer actually slitting the victims throat in order to convict him when the evidence presented is beyond reasonable doubt.
I don't wanna comment on your other claims, but sustaining a sleep schedule where you wake up every 2 hours is not that hard on your body. It's actually quite close to your natural sleep cycle. To quote:
The first REM sleep period usually occurs about 70 to 90 minutes after we fall asleep. A complete sleep cycle takes 90 to 110 minutes on average.[1]

[1]: http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/brain_basics/understanding_sleep.htm

I've done this myself quite often while ranking and it's manageable for 2 weeks or so. Might be harder if you're someone who has trouble falling asleep again after completely waking up. With that in mind, if you look at the online graph again, you'll see that there was definitely more than 9 hours of sleeping potential.
Ask any shift worker that worked 24/24 7/7 shifts for many years what his/her sleeping rythm is.
Sleeping at the KB and the clock ticks on... maybe an hour or 2.
But actually active playing (read continue busting for 2 weeks) is quite impossible.
Well, we still have the codes dont`t we ?
If all the time typed there`s something fishy goin on..
And...
As far as I know most of the game is played at IRC, concerning top-rankers. Timing OC and heist/raid to be in front of others...
Merton Ireland (21:27:37 - 08-01)
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Plus eating, shitting, showering, working...if not working school, if not school , signing on the dole...getting rid of the pins n needles whilst sitting in the same chair for countless hours...

oh wait...

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MurderInc Austria (21:24:34 - 08-01)
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Anonymous at 21:14:16 on 08/01:
http://i.imgur.com/5PRScRb.png

Naivno had around 9 hours of no Omerta time where he could potentially sleep in the first 10 days. That's basically almost dying in real life kinda stats. At best case scenario he would be unable to play Omerta anyway due to hallucinating and the like.

So people can say "yeah admins don't have proof!", but that is proof in itself. Naivno is certainly not the only one that apparently only goes 2 hours tops between logins (again, unsustainable for more than a few days) so more bans really should come in my opinion for this alone.

You don't need to catch a murderer actually slitting the victims throat in order to convict him when the evidence presented is beyond reasonable doubt.
I don't wanna comment on your other claims, but sustaining a sleep schedule where you wake up every 2 hours is not that hard on your body. It's actually quite close to your natural sleep cycle. To quote:
The first REM sleep period usually occurs about 70 to 90 minutes after we fall asleep. A complete sleep cycle takes 90 to 110 minutes on average.[1]

[1]: http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/brain_basics/understanding_sleep.htm

I've done this myself quite often while ranking and it's manageable for 2 weeks or so. Might be harder if you're someone who has trouble falling asleep again after completely waking up. With that in mind, if you look at the online graph again, you'll see that there was definitely more than 9 hours of sleeping potential.
Merton Ireland (21:15:56 - 08-01)
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Anonymous at 21:14:16 on 08/01:
http://i.imgur.com/5PRScRb.png

Naivno had around 9 hours of no Omerta time where he could potentially sleep in the first 10 days. That's basically almost dying in real life kinda stats. At best case scenario he would be unable to play Omerta anyway due to hallucinating and the like.

So people can say "yeah admins don't have proof!", but that is proof in itself. Naivno is certainly not the only one that apparently only goes 2 hours tops between logins (again, unsustainable for more than a few days) so more bans really should come in my opinion for this alone.

You don't need to catch a murderer actually slitting the victims throat in order to convict him when the evidence presented is beyond reasonable doubt.


Amen brudder, amen
Anonymous (21:14:16 - 08-01)
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http://i.imgur.com/5PRScRb.png

Naivno had around 9 hours of no Omerta time where he could potentially sleep in the first 10 days. That's basically almost dying in real life kinda stats. At best case scenario he would be unable to play Omerta anyway due to hallucinating and the like.

So people can say "yeah admins don't have proof!", but that is proof in itself. Naivno is certainly not the only one that apparently only goes 2 hours tops between logins (again, unsustainable for more than a few days) so more bans really should come in my opinion for this alone.

You don't need to catch a murderer actually slitting the victims throat in order to convict him when the evidence presented is beyond reasonable doubt.
ites Belgium (20:59:00 - 08-01)
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Merton at 20:56:41 on 08/01:
ites at 20:52:58 on 08/01:
Merton at 19:50:00 on 08/01:
Keeley at 19:48:48 on 08/01:
Merton at 18:19:45 on 08/01:
Know what even the sarcastic replies are getting boring now. Until we stop fuckin' enabling the cheating within our families and start reporting the twats from the off, this game ain't gonna get any better. Every person I encounter who I know cheats, next version, make no doubt I will report you. I'm sick of seeing good accounts getting killed by cheating scumbags.
rant over...


Yes I agree...was that proper grammer?


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GRAMMAR

:)
vocabulary you irish twat

I was merely pointing out her incorrect spelling of the word grammar you chocolate loving homo ...

i don't like choco and mussels :(
Merton Ireland (20:56:41 - 08-01)
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ites at 20:52:58 on 08/01:
Merton at 19:50:00 on 08/01:
Keeley at 19:48:48 on 08/01:
Merton at 18:19:45 on 08/01:
Know what even the sarcastic replies are getting boring now. Until we stop fuckin' enabling the cheating within our families and start reporting the twats from the off, this game ain't gonna get any better. Every person I encounter who I know cheats, next version, make no doubt I will report you. I'm sick of seeing good accounts getting killed by cheating scumbags.
rant over...


Yes I agree...was that proper grammer?


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GRAMMAR

:)
vocabulary you irish twat

I was merely pointing out her incorrect spelling of the word grammar you chocolate loving homo ...

ites Belgium (20:52:58 - 08-01)
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Merton at 19:50:00 on 08/01:
Keeley at 19:48:48 on 08/01:
Merton at 18:19:45 on 08/01:
Know what even the sarcastic replies are getting boring now. Until we stop fuckin' enabling the cheating within our families and start reporting the twats from the off, this game ain't gonna get any better. Every person I encounter who I know cheats, next version, make no doubt I will report you. I'm sick of seeing good accounts getting killed by cheating scumbags.
rant over...


Yes I agree...was that proper grammer?


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GRAMMAR

:)
vocabulary you irish twat
Merton Ireland (19:50:00 - 08-01)
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Keeley at 19:48:48 on 08/01:
Merton at 18:19:45 on 08/01:
Know what even the sarcastic replies are getting boring now. Until we stop fuckin' enabling the cheating within our families and start reporting the twats from the off, this game ain't gonna get any better. Every person I encounter who I know cheats, next version, make no doubt I will report you. I'm sick of seeing good accounts getting killed by cheating scumbags.
rant over...


Yes I agree...was that proper grammer?


Image


GRAMMAR

:)
Keeley (19:48:48 - 08-01)
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Merton at 18:19:45 on 08/01:
Know what even the sarcastic replies are getting boring now. Until we stop fuckin' enabling the cheating within our families and start reporting the twats from the off, this game ain't gonna get any better. Every person I encounter who I know cheats, next version, make no doubt I will report you. I'm sick of seeing good accounts getting killed by cheating scumbags.
rant over...


Yes I agree...was that proper grammer?
Anonymous (18:54:25 - 08-01)
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Anonymous at 18:47:58 on 08/01:
Akill murderinc(dreyfus) admins, he has some mad cheating methods and has sharp tongue :)

Sharp tongue?

Bitch please. MurderInc, really sounding your drum anonymous is kinda pathetic.

Well strike that "kinda". It is pathetic.
Anonymous (18:47:58 - 08-01)
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Akill murderinc(dreyfus) admins, he has some mad cheating methods and has sharp tongue :)
Merton Ireland (18:19:45 - 08-01)
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Know what even the sarcastic replies are getting boring now. Until we stop fuckin' enabling the cheating within our families and start reporting the twats from the off, this game ain't gonna get any better. Every person I encounter who I know cheats, next version, make no doubt I will report you. I'm sick of seeing good accounts getting killed by cheating scumbags.
rant over...