bruce at 16:58:08 on 30/09:
Bramble is a fucking whore.

ElIndio at 08:16:37 on 28/09:

In advance.
Note1: When in the following I speak of Avaritia, I mean their 2nd round (4.72), the only time I really was actively forming it. I don’t know enough about Avaritia 4.71.
Note2: When I say pact, I don’t mean smaller pacts but those who bring huge pressure on the rest of the game and disallow a creative play.


You having NOT planned 4.72 war listed above, having been one of our main opponents in the version, and so as opposition NOT having known about our internals, I can confirm that not the claim about Avaritia being „not integral to any balancing“ is true, but the total contrary - Avaritia was essential to balancing.

You are outstanding at calculating, but it turns out Avaritia outplaying you against the odds tainted your judgement and you couldn’t absorb your defeat. Thus why you not only misremember, you also fail to see things in space and time. But then you were misreading some things already back in 4.72, when you seriously expected us not to have a backup ready against Aeterna, and called us dealbreakers just to make ceasefire with your target, while we proved you with logs that we told you upfront and beforehand that we wouldn’t accept such a silly thing.

I can’t believe that I have to go over this again, so I won’t. A link where I summed our view up in a lengthy statement shall suffice:
http://news.omertabeyond.net/1747

What is written there are facts you won’t be able to deny if you don’t want to deny the obvious.
If you still try, I will elaborate on it with running the risk of feeling stupid for having to tell.


I don’t expect much from an English idea of nobility, so call us stupid. At the end we made bold decisions you could never take. What makes them bold is the fact that we knew about the high risks. What marked us was the will to win in a certain way rather than winning with the poor mentality of „anything goes“. You would go for a lame way which you’d call smart, but which we found below our dignity. Call it gravitas.

To continue with the topic of Avaritia’s impact. As someone organizing a lot of wars with a wide variety of fams (you for sure organized with and for almost every fam) it must be you to know best about how strange some fams tick. Those were factors working heavily against us, which we - although with pain and misery, but also with the help of the very few proper tops left back then in the game - did master perfectly. If it was not for Avaritia, the Anarchy+ war would probably have decided the version already.

I dare to say it without false modesty: Thanks to Avaritia, 4.72 was an exciting, colorful and interesting version full of vicissitudes. Dare to deny!


Don’t you worry, the most piss we received from Gode ourselves – and he was right. It was the poorest version I had.


Just 4 fams? Funny. You take Anarchy’s record of this version as benchmark and you can literally excuse everything.


Right. Until last point. Sometimes fams came together to fight a pact without blooding each other. Once the goal was achieved, they feuded each other. 3.5 is an early example and the first example where Vinci+ pactweb was beaten. Most fams I’ve actively been crew were such fams.
But over time this idea became weaker and weaker among the fams, mainly because Aeterna Era pacts made the last decent tops retire.


I do blame the players. I do not expect salvation from a system. „The will to system is a lack of integrity.“
Your mechanistic perception is only acceptable if you refuse that any of us can take decisions. I for myself won‘t lower myself to an animal.
While the cycle you described was there in the game as a problem most of the time since 3.3, some situations offered chances to break out of the circle. An example is the last return of Vaffanculo and early Aeterna. That came in a most critical time and created a critical point where things could have „normalized“ if the game was read properly by enough tops and players. Personally I never expected much, yet I saw a possibility for change. Last hope I lost in 4.72, and retired after.

The players could not form a community, they formed a society because your mentality was the prevailing one. Most people refused to set theirselves any limits, because they are weak and have the mind of a slave. Most of those who complained about pacts just complained because they were at the receiving end; it was simply not them being good at it.
People don’t dare anything and flee into a mechanistic view, finding any excuse that logic convincingly and unconvincingly offers. But that’s the world we live in, so Omerta didn’t make an exception, it just arrived at today.


(Taking out the personal attacks,) Another right generalization. Until enough people were tired of what this brought and guys like you were left.


You speaking about what this game couldn’t afford? While you enjoyed fighting your colonial wars in Saros‘ pact (which you joined whenever you could and miss whenever you were out of), then decide the winner among yourselves, the rest of the game were getting smaller and smaller.


I have fought against pacts, I enjoyed it. I have fought in pacts, I puked from it. Usually it were fams like mines which brought balance to the game, but you guys made even us stop playing. So much on what the game could afford.

Now all that’s left to you and your alike is to speak about Anarchy’s lameness while all you do is to compare your diarrhoea with theirs.
-Your shit stinks more.
-But yours is dirtier.

You claim to have been enjoying strategically and politically challenging gameplays, but you enjoyed them even more when you could steamroll your opponents without real opposition.