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Anonymous (13:30:40 - 22-12)
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erdemo at 13:19:40 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 13:05:46 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 10:59:28 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 10:52:23 on 22/12:
Paris at 10:41:10 on 22/12:
MurderInc at 01:21:21 on 22/12:
Paris at 00:43:26 on 22/12:
Idd that this ks and this ka is really killing the game. After 15 days, experienced player can make immortal account, just like Ariella in this and Smul in last version made. Also, ka it's quite unfair to rebirthed players. Ka needs to be changed once more and ofc ks needs to be changed (or removed).
I strongly disagree. No account is immortal. You do remember Smul got killed last version, right? Or maybe you remember Monte Carlo and their two top accounts from 4.1? They died as well, both being stronger than any other account in the game at that point.
Every account in this game is just a few well-executed shots away from being dead. That's what makes it interesting.

Removing the changes that were introduced with this KA would just once again favor dupe-armies instead of active players and families. I don't see how that's an improvement.

Now, there's definitely something that needs to be done for rerankers (and players that started late into the version, for that matter). I agree with you on that. Maybe some kind of ranking and KS multiplier for rebirths/late-starters would be a start.

Some thought should also go into the new spot system. It definitely increased the amount of money families earn. Maybe versions would last longer if families couldn't afford to go to gigantic wars after barely a month.
I'm not talking about Detroit being OP here by the way, that's something that the playerbase needs to fix (I think we can be expected to think about which family benefits from our poker games/gambling/bank transfers) - even though I've heard worse ideas than changing the Detroit 10% poker spot to two 5% spots.
He get shot by high GF as a BRUGLIONE with 130% killskill, and totally outnumbered so it's very close to immortality. If he had enough points under his regime, he would be immortal. Ariella have now shitload of ks for just couple of kills which others didn't made. Find someone who can kill her in this version. Nobody. ;) So something have to be changed about kill skill (not very sure it is good idea to remove it because there will be a lot of hugging later on, but with this ks/ka version are too fucking short. This one ends before my dc status, which tell the most about leading families and game system) or current ka. Reason lays ofc in game system (not in tops as somebody mentioned). Even tops know that if they rerank in full squad, they will be pwned once more, so it is wasting of the time. Developers have to do something with this problem, cz it will cause dying of omerta.

Did anybody even try? Do you know that rule that when someone is out of safehouse you can't safehouse for 45 min? That is at least 3 shots you can do in that time, and with decent accounts even Ariella does not survive this. And look at accounts in Aeterna and Lusa, they also made strong accounts who could kill Ariella.

The blame is totally on yourself:
1. Nobody did anything about Faffie getting the sick profit spots in Det, which gave them alot of BM
2. Nobody did a serious attempt to down Faffie

So stop whining and do something about it (next time)


I can blame admins for not putting 5% two det objects as well. In last 3 vers, who took that object won game.

Stop whining ffs.
Why did this object win those versions?
Because you are too lazy/stupid to populate other cities than Detroit. So again, you are crying that developers should fix something you (all players) broke. So how about trying to populate other cities like New York or Chicago first?
It's not like there's free pussy with beer taste in Detroit. Or at least I have not encountered it.

I was wondering who first gonna call whiners to people who discuss game's faults and outcomes... :)

Awards go to you.

Nope somebody was faster actually.

Let me guess, where you spent your entire version? Playing poker in Detroit? And wondering how that Poker Spot made that much profit?
erdemo (13:19:40 - 22-12)
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Anonymous at 13:05:46 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 10:59:28 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 10:52:23 on 22/12:
Paris at 10:41:10 on 22/12:
MurderInc at 01:21:21 on 22/12:
Paris at 00:43:26 on 22/12:
Idd that this ks and this ka is really killing the game. After 15 days, experienced player can make immortal account, just like Ariella in this and Smul in last version made. Also, ka it's quite unfair to rebirthed players. Ka needs to be changed once more and ofc ks needs to be changed (or removed).
I strongly disagree. No account is immortal. You do remember Smul got killed last version, right? Or maybe you remember Monte Carlo and their two top accounts from 4.1? They died as well, both being stronger than any other account in the game at that point.
Every account in this game is just a few well-executed shots away from being dead. That's what makes it interesting.

Removing the changes that were introduced with this KA would just once again favor dupe-armies instead of active players and families. I don't see how that's an improvement.

Now, there's definitely something that needs to be done for rerankers (and players that started late into the version, for that matter). I agree with you on that. Maybe some kind of ranking and KS multiplier for rebirths/late-starters would be a start.

Some thought should also go into the new spot system. It definitely increased the amount of money families earn. Maybe versions would last longer if families couldn't afford to go to gigantic wars after barely a month.
I'm not talking about Detroit being OP here by the way, that's something that the playerbase needs to fix (I think we can be expected to think about which family benefits from our poker games/gambling/bank transfers) - even though I've heard worse ideas than changing the Detroit 10% poker spot to two 5% spots.
He get shot by high GF as a BRUGLIONE with 130% killskill, and totally outnumbered so it's very close to immortality. If he had enough points under his regime, he would be immortal. Ariella have now shitload of ks for just couple of kills which others didn't made. Find someone who can kill her in this version. Nobody. ;) So something have to be changed about kill skill (not very sure it is good idea to remove it because there will be a lot of hugging later on, but with this ks/ka version are too fucking short. This one ends before my dc status, which tell the most about leading families and game system) or current ka. Reason lays ofc in game system (not in tops as somebody mentioned). Even tops know that if they rerank in full squad, they will be pwned once more, so it is wasting of the time. Developers have to do something with this problem, cz it will cause dying of omerta.

Did anybody even try? Do you know that rule that when someone is out of safehouse you can't safehouse for 45 min? That is at least 3 shots you can do in that time, and with decent accounts even Ariella does not survive this. And look at accounts in Aeterna and Lusa, they also made strong accounts who could kill Ariella.

The blame is totally on yourself:
1. Nobody did anything about Faffie getting the sick profit spots in Det, which gave them alot of BM
2. Nobody did a serious attempt to down Faffie

So stop whining and do something about it (next time)


I can blame admins for not putting 5% two det objects as well. In last 3 vers, who took that object won game.

Stop whining ffs.
Why did this object win those versions?
Because you are too lazy/stupid to populate other cities than Detroit. So again, you are crying that developers should fix something you (all players) broke. So how about trying to populate other cities like New York or Chicago first?
It's not like there's free pussy with beer taste in Detroit. Or at least I have not encountered it.

I was wondering who first gonna call whiners to people who discuss game's faults and outcomes... :)

Awards go to you.
Anonymous (13:05:46 - 22-12)
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Anonymous at 10:59:28 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 10:52:23 on 22/12:
Paris at 10:41:10 on 22/12:
MurderInc at 01:21:21 on 22/12:
Paris at 00:43:26 on 22/12:
Idd that this ks and this ka is really killing the game. After 15 days, experienced player can make immortal account, just like Ariella in this and Smul in last version made. Also, ka it's quite unfair to rebirthed players. Ka needs to be changed once more and ofc ks needs to be changed (or removed).
I strongly disagree. No account is immortal. You do remember Smul got killed last version, right? Or maybe you remember Monte Carlo and their two top accounts from 4.1? They died as well, both being stronger than any other account in the game at that point.
Every account in this game is just a few well-executed shots away from being dead. That's what makes it interesting.

Removing the changes that were introduced with this KA would just once again favor dupe-armies instead of active players and families. I don't see how that's an improvement.

Now, there's definitely something that needs to be done for rerankers (and players that started late into the version, for that matter). I agree with you on that. Maybe some kind of ranking and KS multiplier for rebirths/late-starters would be a start.

Some thought should also go into the new spot system. It definitely increased the amount of money families earn. Maybe versions would last longer if families couldn't afford to go to gigantic wars after barely a month.
I'm not talking about Detroit being OP here by the way, that's something that the playerbase needs to fix (I think we can be expected to think about which family benefits from our poker games/gambling/bank transfers) - even though I've heard worse ideas than changing the Detroit 10% poker spot to two 5% spots.
He get shot by high GF as a BRUGLIONE with 130% killskill, and totally outnumbered so it's very close to immortality. If he had enough points under his regime, he would be immortal. Ariella have now shitload of ks for just couple of kills which others didn't made. Find someone who can kill her in this version. Nobody. ;) So something have to be changed about kill skill (not very sure it is good idea to remove it because there will be a lot of hugging later on, but with this ks/ka version are too fucking short. This one ends before my dc status, which tell the most about leading families and game system) or current ka. Reason lays ofc in game system (not in tops as somebody mentioned). Even tops know that if they rerank in full squad, they will be pwned once more, so it is wasting of the time. Developers have to do something with this problem, cz it will cause dying of omerta.

Did anybody even try? Do you know that rule that when someone is out of safehouse you can't safehouse for 45 min? That is at least 3 shots you can do in that time, and with decent accounts even Ariella does not survive this. And look at accounts in Aeterna and Lusa, they also made strong accounts who could kill Ariella.

The blame is totally on yourself:
1. Nobody did anything about Faffie getting the sick profit spots in Det, which gave them alot of BM
2. Nobody did a serious attempt to down Faffie

So stop whining and do something about it (next time)


I can blame admins for not putting 5% two det objects as well. In last 3 vers, who took that object won game.

Stop whining ffs.
Why did this object win those versions?
Because you are too lazy/stupid to populate other cities than Detroit. So again, you are crying that developers should fix something you (all players) broke. So how about trying to populate other cities like New York or Chicago first?
It's not like there's free pussy with beer taste in Detroit. Or at least I have not encountered it.
Paris Montenegro (12:13:45 - 22-12)
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Anonymous at 10:59:28 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 10:52:23 on 22/12:
Paris at 10:41:10 on 22/12:
MurderInc at 01:21:21 on 22/12:
Paris at 00:43:26 on 22/12:
Idd that this ks and this ka is really killing the game. After 15 days, experienced player can make immortal account, just like Ariella in this and Smul in last version made. Also, ka it's quite unfair to rebirthed players. Ka needs to be changed once more and ofc ks needs to be changed (or removed).
I strongly disagree. No account is immortal. You do remember Smul got killed last version, right? Or maybe you remember Monte Carlo and their two top accounts from 4.1? They died as well, both being stronger than any other account in the game at that point.
Every account in this game is just a few well-executed shots away from being dead. That's what makes it interesting.

Removing the changes that were introduced with this KA would just once again favor dupe-armies instead of active players and families. I don't see how that's an improvement.

Now, there's definitely something that needs to be done for rerankers (and players that started late into the version, for that matter). I agree with you on that. Maybe some kind of ranking and KS multiplier for rebirths/late-starters would be a start.

Some thought should also go into the new spot system. It definitely increased the amount of money families earn. Maybe versions would last longer if families couldn't afford to go to gigantic wars after barely a month.
I'm not talking about Detroit being OP here by the way, that's something that the playerbase needs to fix (I think we can be expected to think about which family benefits from our poker games/gambling/bank transfers) - even though I've heard worse ideas than changing the Detroit 10% poker spot to two 5% spots.
He get shot by high GF as a BRUGLIONE with 130% killskill, and totally outnumbered so it's very close to immortality. If he had enough points under his regime, he would be immortal. Ariella have now shitload of ks for just couple of kills which others didn't made. Find someone who can kill her in this version. Nobody. ;) So something have to be changed about kill skill (not very sure it is good idea to remove it because there will be a lot of hugging later on, but with this ks/ka version are too fucking short. This one ends before my dc status, which tell the most about leading families and game system) or current ka. Reason lays ofc in game system (not in tops as somebody mentioned). Even tops know that if they rerank in full squad, they will be pwned once more, so it is wasting of the time. Developers have to do something with this problem, cz it will cause dying of omerta.

Did anybody even try? Do you know that rule that when someone is out of safehouse you can't safehouse for 45 min? That is at least 3 shots you can do in that time, and with decent accounts even Ariella does not survive this. And look at accounts in Aeterna and Lusa, they also made strong accounts who could kill Ariella.

The blame is totally on yourself:
1. Nobody did anything about Faffie getting the sick profit spots in Det, which gave them alot of BM
2. Nobody did a serious attempt to down Faffie

So stop whining and do something about it (next time)


I can blame admins for not putting 5% two det objects as well. In last 3 vers, who took that object won game.
It was happening in past to Smul and he made some bf kills with (very quickly) really low damage on himself. Also, if that happens to her, she would do the same. She shot #5th ranked player this version and he didn't managed to kill even one guard in bf. Tell me about it.
It's not about Faffie and war against them or w/e. Btw, seems like Faffie lost themselves a version with some actions, but I'm not into it to discuss. It's about pretty unfair ka which doesn't allow that everyone to have the same chances. Yes, indeed that the Detroit spots makes a difference leaving to family who picked it a shitload of money, but there are a lot of other things which are directly affecting to current ka. If it continues like that, soon we will have man winning the version. ;)
Anonymous (11:33:52 - 22-12)
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Anonymous at 11:31:49 on 22/12:
Who wants to see Faffie vs Aeterna?
i dont think someones cares about this , no wonder why....with 30days so called "versions"....
Anonymous (11:31:49 - 22-12)
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Who wants to see Faffie vs Aeterna?
Anonymous (11:28:45 - 22-12)
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Anonymous at 11:24:36 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 11:16:54 on 22/12:
Ka sucks, famspots suck, unlocks suck, lackeys suck, objects suck bigtime, people leaving, people quitting, DC hunger of admins is too obvious.
Combined with letting a family run around in this game which obviously is cheating, prove im wrong cause any retard can see its not possible what they are doing (besides buying most DC of us all? no admins?
I would vote for any oldschool versions, same playstyle, same ka, tho without the rank and money bugs!
I would play that..

.com no more, its DEAD

i know the feeling, but get forward...omerta is dead since many years
just go find another game, there`s are plenty
btw: i think 20-30% of the players around are here just for the good old times and friends....they didnt forgot the first love "omerta" :)
true, cause versions are getting worse...
Anonymous (11:24:36 - 22-12)
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Anonymous at 11:16:54 on 22/12:
Ka sucks, famspots suck, unlocks suck, lackeys suck, objects suck bigtime, people leaving, people quitting, DC hunger of admins is too obvious.
Combined with letting a family run around in this game which obviously is cheating, prove im wrong cause any retard can see its not possible what they are doing (besides buying most DC of us all? no admins?
I would vote for any oldschool versions, same playstyle, same ka, tho without the rank and money bugs!
I would play that..

.com no more, its DEAD

i know the feeling, but get forward...omerta is dead since many years
just go find another game, there`s are plenty
btw: i think 20-30% of the players around are here just for the good old times and friends....they didnt forgot the first love "omerta" :)
Anonymous (11:16:54 - 22-12)
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Ka sucks, famspots suck, unlocks suck, lackeys suck, objects suck bigtime, people leaving, people quitting, DC hunger of admins is too obvious.
Combined with letting a family run around in this game which obviously is cheating, prove im wrong cause any retard can see its not possible what they are doing (besides buying most DC of us all? no admins?
I would vote for any oldschool versions, same playstyle, same ka, tho without the rank and money bugs!
I would play that..

.com no more, its DEAD
erdemo (11:15:54 - 22-12)
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Anonymous at 11:03:20 on 22/12:
I already warned families 3 days after faffie went up here on OB that families should get their players to their own city. Yet they kept making billions with their spots and every war my targets were all initially in Detroit.

People complain veggzi is strong and think he's overpowered. He is strong because you have him incredible amounts of your money that could've been in your own family if you had ordered your silly members to get their lazy ass out of Detroit. He wouldn't be so strong if he didn't have the bullets to kill like 15 brugs in 2 weeks.

Don't whine at kcode or on on when you havent forced your members to get out of Detroit. I myself always sit in the city where my fam is located. My lackeys are there and I do my transfers and gambling there. My base was in Detroit this time but if it wasn't the only reason for me being in Detroit would be a fast moc. I'd go away after that again.

why not?

I remember old times of this game where there were interest in travelling, admins should also think about outcomes of lackeys while they are deciding to put it in action, if it will kill some nice features of game, they can basically come up with new features.
Anonymous (11:03:20 - 22-12)
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I already warned families 3 days after faffie went up here on OB that families should get their players to their own city. Yet they kept making billions with their spots and every war my targets were all initially in Detroit.

People complain veggzi is strong and think he's overpowered. He is strong because you have him incredible amounts of your money that could've been in your own family if you had ordered your silly members to get their lazy ass out of Detroit. He wouldn't be so strong if he didn't have the bullets to kill like 15 brugs in 2 weeks.

Don't whine at kcode or on on when you havent forced your members to get out of Detroit. I myself always sit in the city where my fam is located. My lackeys are there and I do my transfers and gambling there. My base was in Detroit this time but if it wasn't the only reason for me being in Detroit would be a fast moc. I'd go away after that again.
Anonymous (10:59:28 - 22-12)
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Anonymous at 10:52:23 on 22/12:
Paris at 10:41:10 on 22/12:
MurderInc at 01:21:21 on 22/12:
Paris at 00:43:26 on 22/12:
Idd that this ks and this ka is really killing the game. After 15 days, experienced player can make immortal account, just like Ariella in this and Smul in last version made. Also, ka it's quite unfair to rebirthed players. Ka needs to be changed once more and ofc ks needs to be changed (or removed).
I strongly disagree. No account is immortal. You do remember Smul got killed last version, right? Or maybe you remember Monte Carlo and their two top accounts from 4.1? They died as well, both being stronger than any other account in the game at that point.
Every account in this game is just a few well-executed shots away from being dead. That's what makes it interesting.

Removing the changes that were introduced with this KA would just once again favor dupe-armies instead of active players and families. I don't see how that's an improvement.

Now, there's definitely something that needs to be done for rerankers (and players that started late into the version, for that matter). I agree with you on that. Maybe some kind of ranking and KS multiplier for rebirths/late-starters would be a start.

Some thought should also go into the new spot system. It definitely increased the amount of money families earn. Maybe versions would last longer if families couldn't afford to go to gigantic wars after barely a month.
I'm not talking about Detroit being OP here by the way, that's something that the playerbase needs to fix (I think we can be expected to think about which family benefits from our poker games/gambling/bank transfers) - even though I've heard worse ideas than changing the Detroit 10% poker spot to two 5% spots.
He get shot by high GF as a BRUGLIONE with 130% killskill, and totally outnumbered so it's very close to immortality. If he had enough points under his regime, he would be immortal. Ariella have now shitload of ks for just couple of kills which others didn't made. Find someone who can kill her in this version. Nobody. ;) So something have to be changed about kill skill (not very sure it is good idea to remove it because there will be a lot of hugging later on, but with this ks/ka version are too fucking short. This one ends before my dc status, which tell the most about leading families and game system) or current ka. Reason lays ofc in game system (not in tops as somebody mentioned). Even tops know that if they rerank in full squad, they will be pwned once more, so it is wasting of the time. Developers have to do something with this problem, cz it will cause dying of omerta.

Did anybody even try? Do you know that rule that when someone is out of safehouse you can't safehouse for 45 min? That is at least 3 shots you can do in that time, and with decent accounts even Ariella does not survive this. And look at accounts in Aeterna and Lusa, they also made strong accounts who could kill Ariella.

The blame is totally on yourself:
1. Nobody did anything about Faffie getting the sick profit spots in Det, which gave them alot of BM
2. Nobody did a serious attempt to down Faffie

So stop whining and do something about it (next time)


I can blame admins for not putting 5% two det objects as well. In last 3 vers, who took that object won game.
Anonymous (10:57:22 - 22-12)
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KCode at 06:20:54 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 01:41:13 on 22/12:
MurderInc at 01:21:21 on 22/12:
Paris at 00:43:26 on 22/12:
Idd that this ks and this ka is really killing the game. After 15 days, experienced player can make immortal account, just like Ariella in this and Smul in last version made. Also, ka it's quite unfair to rebirthed players. Ka needs to be changed once more and ofc ks needs to be changed (or removed).
I strongly disagree. No account is immortal. You do remember Smul got killed last version, right? Or maybe you remember Monte Carlo and their two top accounts from 4.1? They died as well, both being stronger than any other account in the game at that point.
Every account in this game is just a few well-executed shots away from being dead. That's what makes it interesting.

Removing the changes that were introduced with this KA would just once again favor dupe-armies instead of active players and families. I don't see how that's an improvement.

Now, there's definitely something that needs to be done for rerankers (and players that started late into the version, for that matter). I agree with you on that. Maybe some kind of ranking and KS multiplier for rebirths/late-starters would be a start.

Some thought should also go into the new spot system. It definitely increased the amount of money families earn. Maybe versions would last longer if families couldn't afford to go to gigantic wars after barely a month.
I'm not talking about Detroit being OP here by the way, that's something that the playerbase needs to fix (I think we can be expected to think about which family benefits from our poker games/gambling/bank transfers) - even though I've heard worse ideas than changing the Detroit 10% poker spot to two 5% spots.

Wow, some post that makes sense.
How about letting rebirths keep their earned KS, or give them KS for kills below lc. How about going down two ranks each rebirth. First accounts KS for kills LC+ first rebirth for swi+ next for mob+. But no lower than that. I don't want to suggest to go down to gain ks for shoppies or so.

But that only solves one part of the problems for rebirths. The bigger one remains the unbalanced economy, +credit cap for lackeys. Rebirths cannot afford to buy dcs on obay. that's a way bigger problem.

The spot system, well the problem with that seems to be, it got introduced many versions too late, after lackeys made players complacent and happy to do everything in Detroit.
For the poker spot I suggest another solution, make poker tables available from every city, but only the spot in which the winning player is located gets the money. If people are still too lazy to leave Detroit then, well, they already deserve to get steamrolled for being lazy now.

But again, nobody forces you to do everything in Detroit. If you can't get it done to at least make your fam members change their "base of operation" to your hometown, then you deserve to get steamrolled by the fams that control the objects in Detroit. "But everybody is in Detroit. Yadda, yadda, yadda" Make a change yourself, get your fam members to move to another city.

Paris entirely misses an important point, how do those accounts become dreadnuts? By shooting and killing. How can they do that, by having sufficient bullets (which also increases account strength). Why do they have those bullets, by having the best objects, which again leads you to Detroit and players being too complacent/lazy/stupid to do their stuff somewhere else.

I totally agree with the fact ks is not working as it should and to be honest KS system was the only one I didn't remake on the KA part, it is getting changed, part of it it's coded already and KS will be related to the strenght of account you are shooting, if it's a strong or same value of your account (if you get risk of dieing in BF) you will get decent amount of KS, if it's an useless account you won't get any decent KS, that is on work and hope we can finish the testing before next reset.

There is also a nice amount of working going on related to city maps, it will be totally extended and this will include a nice system based on players houses, I will give some details later when it's near the end of testing phase.

But at least, I love to see the fact that KA at the moment, made the families work in a strategy and it proved to be a decent one, that's the point, work together and make your own family accounts getting stronger, imo.

We'll see how the future changes will work, but that's one thing I can assure you, different strategies are coming to the game (again). And that makes me really happy for seeing families working with them.

\o



KA sucks dude, it is not working at all, noone starts playing after they die. I shot with pretty defensive sick account and died without kill in backfire .
1 Month accounts should not make such a big difference even if they have 2-3 kills for ks or not. Take logs of numbers or normalize them whatever, but this KA kills game.


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Paris at 10:41:10 on 22/12:
MurderInc at 01:21:21 on 22/12:
Paris at 00:43:26 on 22/12:
Idd that this ks and this ka is really killing the game. After 15 days, experienced player can make immortal account, just like Ariella in this and Smul in last version made. Also, ka it's quite unfair to rebirthed players. Ka needs to be changed once more and ofc ks needs to be changed (or removed).
I strongly disagree. No account is immortal. You do remember Smul got killed last version, right? Or maybe you remember Monte Carlo and their two top accounts from 4.1? They died as well, both being stronger than any other account in the game at that point.
Every account in this game is just a few well-executed shots away from being dead. That's what makes it interesting.

Removing the changes that were introduced with this KA would just once again favor dupe-armies instead of active players and families. I don't see how that's an improvement.

Now, there's definitely something that needs to be done for rerankers (and players that started late into the version, for that matter). I agree with you on that. Maybe some kind of ranking and KS multiplier for rebirths/late-starters would be a start.

Some thought should also go into the new spot system. It definitely increased the amount of money families earn. Maybe versions would last longer if families couldn't afford to go to gigantic wars after barely a month.
I'm not talking about Detroit being OP here by the way, that's something that the playerbase needs to fix (I think we can be expected to think about which family benefits from our poker games/gambling/bank transfers) - even though I've heard worse ideas than changing the Detroit 10% poker spot to two 5% spots.
He get shot by high GF as a BRUGLIONE with 130% killskill, and totally outnumbered so it's very close to immortality. If he had enough points under his regime, he would be immortal. Ariella have now shitload of ks for just couple of kills which others didn't made. Find someone who can kill her in this version. Nobody. ;) So something have to be changed about kill skill (not very sure it is good idea to remove it because there will be a lot of hugging later on, but with this ks/ka version are too fucking short. This one ends before my dc status, which tell the most about leading families and game system) or current ka. Reason lays ofc in game system (not in tops as somebody mentioned). Even tops know that if they rerank in full squad, they will be pwned once more, so it is wasting of the time. Developers have to do something with this problem, cz it will cause dying of omerta.

Did anybody even try? Do you know that rule that when someone is out of safehouse you can't safehouse for 45 min? That is at least 3 shots you can do in that time, and with decent accounts even Ariella does not survive this. And look at accounts in Aeterna and Lusa, they also made strong accounts who could kill Ariella.

The blame is totally on yourself:
1. Nobody did anything about Faffie getting the sick profit spots in Det, which gave them alot of BM
2. Nobody did a serious attempt to down Faffie

So stop whining and do something about it (next time)
Paris Montenegro (10:41:10 - 22-12)
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MurderInc at 01:21:21 on 22/12:
Paris at 00:43:26 on 22/12:
Idd that this ks and this ka is really killing the game. After 15 days, experienced player can make immortal account, just like Ariella in this and Smul in last version made. Also, ka it's quite unfair to rebirthed players. Ka needs to be changed once more and ofc ks needs to be changed (or removed).
I strongly disagree. No account is immortal. You do remember Smul got killed last version, right? Or maybe you remember Monte Carlo and their two top accounts from 4.1? They died as well, both being stronger than any other account in the game at that point.
Every account in this game is just a few well-executed shots away from being dead. That's what makes it interesting.

Removing the changes that were introduced with this KA would just once again favor dupe-armies instead of active players and families. I don't see how that's an improvement.

Now, there's definitely something that needs to be done for rerankers (and players that started late into the version, for that matter). I agree with you on that. Maybe some kind of ranking and KS multiplier for rebirths/late-starters would be a start.

Some thought should also go into the new spot system. It definitely increased the amount of money families earn. Maybe versions would last longer if families couldn't afford to go to gigantic wars after barely a month.
I'm not talking about Detroit being OP here by the way, that's something that the playerbase needs to fix (I think we can be expected to think about which family benefits from our poker games/gambling/bank transfers) - even though I've heard worse ideas than changing the Detroit 10% poker spot to two 5% spots.
He get shot by high GF as a BRUGLIONE with 130% killskill, and totally outnumbered so it's very close to immortality. If he had enough points under his regime, he would be immortal. Ariella have now shitload of ks for just couple of kills which others didn't made. Find someone who can kill her in this version. Nobody. ;) So something have to be changed about kill skill (not very sure it is good idea to remove it because there will be a lot of hugging later on, but with this ks/ka version are too fucking short. This one ends before my dc status, which tell the most about leading families and game system) or current ka. Reason lays ofc in game system (not in tops as somebody mentioned). Even tops know that if they rerank in full squad, they will be pwned once more, so it is wasting of the time. Developers have to do something with this problem, cz it will cause dying of omerta.
Anonymous (10:27:29 - 22-12)
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Johnx at 10:24:18 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 10:17:40 on 22/12:
gaybino, faffies puppies, get your act together and show some balls you are a disgrace to whatever gambino was and stood for, you did shit this version! please deny it....
As far as i know Gambino has shot a lot this version :)
for faffie yes , why its a disgrace
Anonymous (10:26:02 - 22-12)
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Anonymous at 08:42:00 on 22/12:
Myrddin at 06:39:46 on 22/12:
what about bringing back a usergroup or something.

user group never had any experienced top players and mainly voted for bullshit.
they do and still exist, but like all the ideas we put up 99 out of 100 get washed away...
Johnx Denmark (10:24:18 - 22-12)
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Anonymous at 10:17:40 on 22/12:
gaybino, faffies puppies, get your act together and show some balls you are a disgrace to whatever gambino was and stood for, you did shit this version! please deny it....
As far as i know Gambino has shot a lot this version :)
Anonymous (10:17:40 - 22-12)
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gaybino, faffies puppies, get your act together and show some balls you are a disgrace to whatever gambino was and stood for, you did shit this version! please deny it....
Emlin United Kingdom (09:03:52 - 22-12)
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KCode at 06:20:54 on 22/12:
Anonymous at 01:41:13 on 22/12:
MurderInc at 01:21:21 on 22/12:
Paris at 00:43:26 on 22/12:
Idd that this ks and this ka is really killing the game. After 15 days, experienced player can make immortal account, just like Ariella in this and Smul in last version made. Also, ka it's quite unfair to rebirthed players. Ka needs to be changed once more and ofc ks needs to be changed (or removed).
I strongly disagree. No account is immortal. You do remember Smul got killed last version, right? Or maybe you remember Monte Carlo and their two top accounts from 4.1? They died as well, both being stronger than any other account in the game at that point.
Every account in this game is just a few well-executed shots away from being dead. That's what makes it interesting.

Removing the changes that were introduced with this KA would just once again favor dupe-armies instead of active players and families. I don't see how that's an improvement.

Now, there's definitely something that needs to be done for rerankers (and players that started late into the version, for that matter). I agree with you on that. Maybe some kind of ranking and KS multiplier for rebirths/late-starters would be a start.

Some thought should also go into the new spot system. It definitely increased the amount of money families earn. Maybe versions would last longer if families couldn't afford to go to gigantic wars after barely a month.
I'm not talking about Detroit being OP here by the way, that's something that the playerbase needs to fix (I think we can be expected to think about which family benefits from our poker games/gambling/bank transfers) - even though I've heard worse ideas than changing the Detroit 10% poker spot to two 5% spots.

Wow, some post that makes sense.
How about letting rebirths keep their earned KS, or give them KS for kills below lc. How about going down two ranks each rebirth. First accounts KS for kills LC+ first rebirth for swi+ next for mob+. But no lower than that. I don't want to suggest to go down to gain ks for shoppies or so.

But that only solves one part of the problems for rebirths. The bigger one remains the unbalanced economy, +credit cap for lackeys. Rebirths cannot afford to buy dcs on obay. that's a way bigger problem.

The spot system, well the problem with that seems to be, it got introduced many versions too late, after lackeys made players complacent and happy to do everything in Detroit.
For the poker spot I suggest another solution, make poker tables available from every city, but only the spot in which the winning player is located gets the money. If people are still too lazy to leave Detroit then, well, they already deserve to get steamrolled for being lazy now.

But again, nobody forces you to do everything in Detroit. If you can't get it done to at least make your fam members change their "base of operation" to your hometown, then you deserve to get steamrolled by the fams that control the objects in Detroit. "But everybody is in Detroit. Yadda, yadda, yadda" Make a change yourself, get your fam members to move to another city.

Paris entirely misses an important point, how do those accounts become dreadnuts? By shooting and killing. How can they do that, by having sufficient bullets (which also increases account strength). Why do they have those bullets, by having the best objects, which again leads you to Detroit and players being too complacent/lazy/stupid to do their stuff somewhere else.

I totally agree with the fact ks is not working as it should and to be honest KS system was the only one I didn't remake on the KA part, it is getting changed, part of it it's coded already and KS will be related to the strenght of account you are shooting, if it's a strong or same value of your account (if you get risk of dieing in BF) you will get decent amount of KS, if it's an useless account you won't get any decent KS, that is on work and hope we can finish the testing before next reset.

There is also a nice amount of working going on related to city maps, it will be totally extended and this will include a nice system based on players houses, I will give some details later when it's near the end of testing phase.

But at least, I love to see the fact that KA at the moment, made the families work in a strategy and it proved to be a decent one, that's the point, work together and make your own family accounts getting stronger, imo.

We'll see how the future changes will work, but that's one thing I can assure you, different strategies are coming to the game (again). And that makes me really happy for seeing families working with them.

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Really appreciate this response Kcode and lets see what difference the changes will make.
And totally agree with prevoius posts, if you dont want detroit spots to be over powered then get your players to move away from it. Faffie chose detroit this version knowing people are too lazy to or stuck in their ways.