As you said plan and organise indeed, they did do that but 80% of all families does not want to help because or they have blooded to the targets indirectly or didn't have enough members or didn't have the balls to do so.

after memento being downed by admins that didn't help organising anything either. Vaffan still organised something in the end but cristeria also wasn't sitting around doing nothing and acted first.

good war rip to all who died

Dont forget that whatever plans Vaffan may had, it had a big chunk bitten off of it due to the admin fail, losing an enormous blood (Memento) and a decent amount of lackey highranks.

As ironcly as it may sound I don't like pacts myself. I tried to move away from that way of playing, when it didn't work I just wanted to stomp some families and retire.

Thing is when you have built fam name, name that's either liked or disliked it's really damn hard to play without big back up. All it takes is few fams having different vision than you and no matter how much you try to be neutral, or how much you try to show others u can play with 5 bloods instead of 8, you simply can't. No matter how many more numbers you have as single family. In the end you will get raped, and that's only that it matters. You just have to decide, will you try to give fun to yourself and members, or 20 others fams while they rip you apart.

I see it as mistake cause from what I see other big families aren't nearly as ready to go away from pact/side play. People on Omerta are unable to start new version as new, they're not mature enough. They shown that over and over again. Anyway if what Vaffa did changes anything on Omerta, except their status of Alive and online in last 5 minutes, I will be 1st one to applaud them and congratulate them as I have many friends there.

lol, kidding right? they let it come to this. If they have planned a proper attack on the core of this side. they wouldnt have to face 12 fams. these core fams have already shot in several wars. while vaffan had time to stack with there sick amount of rankers. And yet they wait and wait, and in the end making wrong discions on how they will face their enemy

Perfect position with 2 bloods left playing against 12? Yeah right and guess what they didnt waste it since all of those 12 families is good as dead.

I partially agree johnny but just because others pact does not mean you just have to join them. don't forget memento was taken down by admins and Lusa was attacked. they lost bloods there.

I do agree pacts will probably stay but you got to respect those who don't join up with them. vaffanculo opened fire on 2 families and later on I saw vaffanculo members attack over 5 families (had witness statements of 5 different ones so atleast 5) and got countered by 12 indeed. but I give vaffanculo credit for doing this instead of being a sheep and joining a pact.

I disrespect pacts hard, you're dissaponted for them making a mistake. I don't see this as a mistake tho, I see this as having a spine and when you win I think you've done something amazing. if they had died tonight I would have been typing how much of a backbone and personality vaffanculo has. its very easy to say your dissapointed they made the same mistake while they would be even more dissapointing if they had joined up one of those afraid pacts

vaffan, big fail this time tbh. They had a perfect position shitload of ranks and bullets and they wasted it

Ok Fidelitas is one of those, include Vaffa now. Do you see anyone else really stopping trend of blooding big group of families, or shooting with less than 10 families in 1st real war?

When I say do you see anyone else I mean families like Gravano, Righelli, Leviticus etc. Do you think anyone of them is ready to start every version with blank page and say alright, we wont fight old wars, we wont blood 7-8 fams just cause we can and we wont try to mass gangbang others on start.

If you really believe that then I'm really happy for you and bright future this game has. Hell if game would be played like that I would actually even consider returning to it. Sadly I think chances of that are almost non existing.

How nostalgic, everybody talking about Vaffanculo.

It were nice wars. Rip all who died on both sides.
Nice move and way to retire Memento famless.

that was first war, high risk of counters. afaik catania righelli and cristeria form a thight group. the others arent blood to eachother

Reason why I am disappointed in Vaffanculo is that they repeat mistake they made in past. Vaffanculo never had too many bloods honestly, but instead of looking that as honorable thing families look that as weakness.

We tried this in 3.2 Vaffanculo blooded 5, we as Vinci blooded 5 we ended up getting shot by 20+ families. Same happens now, that's why it's disappointing. Same mistake, same outcome.

Let me tell you, those pacts wont downscale. Cause families are too afraid of it. People hate seeing A vs B fight every version, yet they still do it, all of them still bloods dozen fams and all of them still shoot same families. You can talk about theory and how much better it would be if fams blood only 4-5 and play open but it will never happen cause all what it takes for that to not happen is 2-3 bigger families to say fuck that we will do our thing. Then 1st war comes and you have 15 families shooting 2-3, every version. That's why it wont happen.

Just cause you think it's honorable way and right way to play with 4-5 bloods doesn't mean everyone else will, and in fact if you do it others will look at it as a weakness, not as a good thing.

Vaffa showed that you can't fight those ''pacts'' without even bigger groups of families. They shot Catania and get shot by how many?

How about the Gravano war? Gravano only had a total of 60 members yet still the same amount and same core families started a massive attack . way too big even. sure some of the attacking families on vaffancilo would probably shoot at eachother but the core bloodwebs would not shoot eachother. in other words the smallest sidekicks would die and 8 big families would walk home winning.

They didnt just work together now they also did this against Gravano, so everytime someone grows somewhat big you can gangbang them with 12+++ fams? This is called bloodwebbing aka pacting.

Vaffanculo did it just now and left a massive pact that all counterd too behind like shattered glass. sure, vaffanculo is wounded badly but what family wouldnt be after getting shots from 12 different families.

Let me ask you this john, let's say vaffanculo had joined A or B again. Vaffanculo + Gravano would make their side win easy. if they had joined the even bigger pact in catania / righelli it would've been over a week ago already. so in other words vaffanculo didn't just make the game more unpredictable but also extended this version.

You said you were dissapontsd in vaffan, for what? Surviving an attack of 12 families? Not joining Gravano side and make this a 1 war-version? For making a small blood list? For not fighting in a war where none of their bloods were involved in?
Their bloods were attacked a total of 3 times this version and they jumped 3 times + the bloods didn't go down.

so my question: what is SO disapointing?

Last but not least I do agree with the fidelitas man, vaffanculo chose their own path and it worked as far as it could. catania side was way too big in the Gravano war. maybe they'll downscale a bit here.

It's very important for the development of the game that those pacts downscale, the versions reset within 2 months these days. you'll lose players instead of gaining them that way. people hate seeing an A vs B fight and a version reset straight after. people in smaller fams would also like a little casino someday because then they can defend it.

its very ignorant to say this will happen next version, there will always be somewhat bigger sides and pacts but atleast vaffanculo had the guts or the balls like people here like to call it to go their own way and show massive pacts are not needed.
we can only hope families next version can scale down and turn down a blood request for a change.

Yeh because vaffan had high numbers of ranks, you need a proper ratio to shoot. The fams involved are not even bloods and might up ending shooting eachother. Vaffan was to big and had to die

Johnny, perhaps I should speak about Fidelitas a bit here.


3 tops of Venture and Xzone came together in 3.52 to make a new start and founded Fidelitas. In a time Righelli/Lucchese/Marazzino etc. were still a major part of a larger group, we blooded Ilimitada, Righelli and Provenzano. Around the night of the first war in which we died, we became bloods with Wargasm too.
Our choice of avoiding massblooding – not the first time – was naturally not capable of sending a strong message to certain other fams because of reasons on different levels. Here comes into effect what I described about Vaffanculo as “having the means”.

In 4.0 we blooded Ascension (after 1st war), Righelli, Provenzano, Leviticus, Jannisary, Ilimitada and Tempestuoso. We had 7 bloods of which 2 were below #35 on the statistics. Still 7 bloods, but not even comparable with other bloodcircles around back then.

Add to this the fact that our blood policy differed to the ones of our opponents back then in the way that we didn't replace every lost blood with 1-2 new, often big fams. This, despite our disadvantage grewing day by day while we were on the focus for the next big fight(s).

4.0 developed in a way where it was plausible to work together with many fams with which we potentially could end up fighting with. An imaginary example: if the version developed differently we would've been shooting Lucchese or vice versa. A real example: Fidelitas worked a lot together with Vittoria, yet ended up getting killed by them.


And I can tell you we had success with this playing style.

Out of curiosity and for sake of discussion, do you really see this happening? Cause I don't. This happened before, it didn't bring anything new, families didn't blood less or anything.
I'm really curious which of the top families you see accepting short bloodlists as mainstream.

Agree, they blooded Memento as well as both wanted to change the political landscape as they were tired from pact A vs B.

At least they try to change game. People blaming them for not being on gravano side whatever lo.
Those people always just want to see pact A vs B thats it?

:')

End is coming i think liberta co , gravano , kuro and janni will come back and they have power vaffan cancelled old pact and now lib,kuro,gra,janni,messi,ascen make a new pact and hate vaffan :)

that numer was just ment to say they are big but lets look up the topic of Gravano being shot. on grav+impact 12 different families shot. I have not even checked if anyone still countered on Liberta that didn't include those 12 yet.

a few of those 12 fams died, prov, euphoria, ataraxia and since righelli isn't in the list of vaffanculo shooters you'd expect 8 fams to be countering vaffan. yet still 12 families have fired bullets at vaffanculo. This indicates the pact is even bigger.

I mean if prov+ would be alive it now would be 16 families that would shoot at vaffanculo. a bit much don't you think?