what dou you mean memento and maraz also turk.

Did I say that only Lucchese/Righelli were bug abusing that version?
You must be Lucchese or Stupid to put the "only" in there. They just caught with that massive "bug". I am also a bit reluctant to call it a back, since a php insertion is somewhat more than a "mere bug abuse".

first war : vaffanculo+memento+maraz vs. turks

The system as it is now, means whoever strikes first has the best chance of winning, assuming both sides have about the same amount of brugs. Wouldn't change that tbh, it favours the faster rankers(e.g. those who get to brug first) and the most aggresive families. Which are two of the cornerstones this game should be about.

yea that wouldnt work that way

what I really want is to have a chance to both defend myself and fight back, all the time
I want to own both sword and shield xD
we can only own one at a time currently
I either have my sword but I'm nude in the battlefield, or I have a shield and hiding&running&begging for my life

you can't put rules like "late night" because there are ppl from USA that have totally different time zone. shooting time 15 mins would be GFs killing 10+ targets in late hours so there will be more powerful and bumped accounts around, and that means regular players will have lesser chance building a decent account.

i heard brando is working on a new bg system, dunno if he can come up with a decent solution. its very difficult, cuz lots of players want stronger and more attack-resistent accounts, on the other hand there are players like you that wants more action with less protection

even its for free, if it's not quicker, I dont think you can switch back fast enough to survive

- 1 click for each bg then, so 5 mins total
- a lot more bullets, much easier to get
- less bullets needed to kill Brug
- you can shoot every 15 minutes
- you can stay in safehouse for 30 minutes max

stuff like that, I dunno

I wanna be full defence in peaceful times, when we shoot I'll switch back to attack easily
everyone will be full defence tho, so 1st waves will fail mostly, but we can shoot again in 15 mins and we'll have plenty of bullets to shoot
all offliners will be dead in 15 mins
but then maybe a limitation to late-night-shootings xD

after first wave defenders have a chance to switch back to attack and kill attackers
but ofc, attackers should switch back to defence right after they shoot
so both sides will keep switching back and forth, and they'll shoot every 15 mins
everyone should be fast and active that way, wars will be dynamic, high-pressure, intense xD
and you have full control over your account, anything's possible, thats what I call a real gameplay


and stuff like that, I dunno, not the perfect idea probably but we need kinda crazy stuff like that
no one can predict the outcome of a war like that, which is exactly what we need
everything's obvious and dull right now, and there is no gameplay, only wasting money and robotic clicking

And yet again the assumption that only Lucchese/Righelli were abusing bugs that version? Really? How sad...

bg training should be cheap, +1 to that
if a player is active at warnight, that should give advantage

but 1 click training from defence to offence => i didnt like that

right
but actually, I just failed badly on doing the math on that 7m :D
having to spend such cash is complete opposite of what I try to mean
my main point is we should be able to switch between full att and full def so quickly and easily;
7m wouldnt be so easy indeed

tho I still think there should be less clicking = much faster switch
should be done in 5 mins max
and it should cost like 300k orso then, or even for free xD

qq

The way you say you're waiting for that particular moment indicated you're still feeling bad. I do remember the adminkills you refer their to. I'd like to say the following about that: yes, vaffanculo has had cheaters in the past and yes they had quite a reputation due to it. But the adminkills that were made at that time were not all based on facts. I remember after the adminkills vaffanculo saw no use in playing that weakened and wanted to suicide their last accounts. That was like stepping on the toes of certain admins and they pilloried the top3 with the reason 'worthless top'. I still remember not all of those top3 in-game accounts were actual vaffan tops.
it showed the lack of competence the crew had back then and still have to the day we speak.

I protect vaffanculo in this matter due to the fact we have seen the hall of shame being dominated by for example blacksea and some other families. what we just see is that every single family has cheaters these days. look at kuroswa sharing their accounts in their internetcafe. I'm a 100% sure vaffanculo has cheaters, I'm not sure if they have any more than other families tho, the admins just dislike them more.

The problem are not the clicks to do the training. It's basically just 3 guards (ike, joe, lex). If you bother to train Lex. But ok let's stick with 3 guards: 20 clicks each (untrain and train) so roughly 30 mins and you are done.
The "problem" with the current BG System is the amount of cash it takes you to retrain it.

Yes, money management is part of a skill, the problem is, there the cursed cheaterz have a huge advantage, because they get an nearly unlimited supply of cash if needed. most poignant shown by Lucchese/Righelli a few versions ago with their hitlist bug.

So yes, I can see who really wants to get rid of the annoying clicks to retrain their guards for some extra cash.

problem is there can never be a proper war or a gameplay with this current bg's
no one has a chance to survive and fight back, thats ridiculous

now there's only 2 sets of bg setup and once you go one way, it's so hard to switch back to other way,
yet you HAVE TO switch between them constantly to have a proper gameplay
when getting shot, if you're full att => you're just fucked
if you're full def => you're enemies' desperate bitch while they keep coming at you

I dont see any fun or challenge in a war if defenders cannot fight back
we gotta be able to easily and quickly switch between att and def
thats the best thing I can think of to bring some real action and a fair, proper gameplay
best solution ofc is to design new market and bg's, thus a new KA, but I'm done hoping they'll ever gonna do that


now I believe if we can switch from att to def so easily and get faster bullets and no safehouse, we'll get some crazy action xD
and everyone can actually take a role in his acc's destiny xD

? Says Mr. Buttplug? Why would it hurts me to see them being a-killed? Just saying the known fact.
They have done nothing to me - so keep on dreaming, in your favorite place.

Mr. butthurt strikes again.

OFC they will be cheating. But are they really worse than likesay Lucchese?

If Admins manage one day to akill every dupe, bug abuser and scripter, pillory would consist of 80%+ of the highranks ingame.

I just wait until admins will a-kill lot of vaffans (as usually) so they can retire again cuz this game and admins are not fair to them...it's not will it happen, it's when it will happen.

+1
+ if it would be like 7m attack to defense, only object holders and tops would like that. Now tops are using the money anyway but then they would have 1 more reason to use fambank for their own good.

There are so many complete bullshit lol.

Why do we have different kinds of weapons? Why do the special weapon barely cost 10k a piece?

Etc etc.