lol ppl weird, conflict was claiming they arenot ccce after conflict up now they are making family logo with beautiful stars, also vinci claiming victory which those versions ended with 40+ family

if u wanna see a victory check 3.1, we built a republic without blooding oldschool powerhouses

conflict victories must be claimed by zengas proxy army from gaypact times

imo conf can have stars in their pic for all versions we didnt finish before 3.0

Yeah they helped Conflict in all of them, but my point was they also had a lot (With help of Conflict, Righelli etc or not) besides those, certainly during mid-endgame.

And it's not that I think only Inzerillo deserves all the credit, I just think they deserve it more.

you dont see inze shooting down a lot, you see inzerillo helping their bloods conflict, in all the 5 or 6 times they got attacked, helping a blood that is being attacked countless times is different then planning and making wars. That was prolly the version in which conflict went down the most, but also the version were they came back to top #5, more times. Only in the end of the version you see inzerillo executing some wars, and even most of those with the help of conf, illu, righ, curse etc

The difference between our prespectives is that i consider both winners, both had ups and downs and both have started day #1 and finished the version on top, you on the other hand only thing inze desearves it.

I did, and I see conflict getting shot down a lot and Inzerillo shooting down a lot. Perhaps we just have different perspective on things huh?

Saros, just look to your left, in the articles, see the dropdown menu, choose 2.71, and see all wars, and see who was on which war, theres no stats of ranks and deaths, but i think you can have a clear picture of how the version went, just by checking all the wars :)

Little biased aren't we?

Getting shot down all the damn time doesn't make a family an version winner. I never said Conflict and Co. didn't play well and survived in the end. But you're throwing 'facts' around that can't be verified, losing 10 times the accounts? Inzerillo+Selvatica still on their first accounts? only shooting in small wars? only being a small helper? they never got attacked? I would love to see the stats on that, because I certainly remember that differently.

It's true Inzerillo started out as a midfam and only reached first position when Conflict got shot down multiple times. But when Inzerillo was on top (with NLS) they never let that position go and it was Conflict+ that was helping them, and not the other way around and that makes Inzerillo more of a winner than Conflict in my eyes, perhaps it would have been different if Conflict didn't had the habit of dieing all the time, but hey, staying alive is also a quality a version winner should have imo.

Ah well, I'll admit, it was a long time ago, and my memory is a little fuzzy, so perhaps I have missed some things, but that's how I experienced the version. Conflict is family that is always strong in numbers, but getting killed all the time and returning because you still have strong friends around (Inzerillo+NLS) and joining in some wars after that and surviving till the end is all nice and well, but calling yourself a winner...
Yeah...

No.

loll fells good to see ppl standing for who was best in versions of mass script and dupes lolll

LOL inzerillo just had the wars they had cause they were always cleaning up the attackers of conflict, only almost in the end of the version they cleaned the rest, inzerillo was a mid list fam in the beggining of the version, they only reached first positions after conflict was down 2 times already and back, inzerillo was never attacked almost up until the very end of the version(if they even were), after taking out memento ally, conflict and bloods were attacked by the rest of omerta, got killed in that war and back few days later, they passed inzerilllo easy again in fams list and got attacked by tempestuoso who had done nothing the intire version, they went down again, came back the next day and helped shooting Anafarta bloodline 5 days later, then 2 weeks later they got attacked by Notte alliance were they went down again, and back the next day.

In all this wars im speaking off, inzerillo was a small helper of conflict and bloods, they always helped their side and helped them survive, only mid version did they rly reached top positions cause they never got attacked, and did small wars, till the very end of the version where it was cleaning days, and in this cleaning days conflict was shooting too, so yeah inzerillo had more wars, if in all the wars they were helping a side that was constantly attacked.

After all this Conflict even helped taking marazzino down, helped righelli and illusion when they got attacked, helped take down Leviticus alliance and had several other smaller wars, go make your war count better, Conflict lost 10 times the accounts Inzerillo lost, i remember Conflict members were on their 4th and 5th accounts by the end of that version while Inzerillo and Selvatica had the very 1st ones, which made them rly strong shooters, so yeah give credit where credit is due :)

Saying Conflict, Curse, Righelli and Illusion didnt win that version when they were shooting/being shot since first war till the last and alive in the end, its a joke to say the least, 2.71 or 2.7b w.e was version dominated by this familys that literilly fought and killed the intire omerta, with the help of bloods like NLS , inzerillo and selvatica.

u will see soon ..new system lower than 36 maybe lower than 30

the 1 man army (aka Bubbu) of Krays or?

Messina + Bloods vs Krays

Like I said, that's an outside perspective, and as somebody from old Europe, it is always a bit difficult to lecture the US and wat they should do (ok AMericans do it all the time, one of the reasons they are often perceived as annoying).

Well anyway, the discussion whether the US are screwed or not is not particularly new. That goes back to the Reagan era (if not farther). The problems then: screwed up state deficit, school system, health care. But the zeitgeist was different.
But back to your question, there are many different things that need to get sorted out, and most of them are sacred cows.
One thing is, the bi-party system with two dinosaurs (the elephant and jackass) a system is not really open changes. The Republicans have to bind voters from the far right to the centre. The Democrats from the left to the centre. Elections are won in the center/middle of society and not on its wings. This becomes esp. true, if you just have two parties to choose from.
What you could now watch wonderfully in the preliminaries was the following. The (extreme) right wing make a huge proportion of the active party members of the Republicans. And all the candidates reached out for them to win the ticket to run against Obama (Romney and Huntsman did so less than the rest of the pack, but even Romney became more extreme "conservative"). But in the upcoming election Romney will move back to the center again. To gather votes there.
But in general both parties will need to start a camapaign which represents 50%+x of the US society (well let's better say of the registered voters who actually go to vote). Which is impossible. We have a diverse society, but a non-pluralistic political system, which features two parties. A more pluralistic party (and selection system) would solve a few problems the US politics currently have.
The Tea-party movement has imho hijacked the Republican Party. They block every compromise in congress. Some time ago, some represantatives form the Republicans and Democrats agreed on a compromise on how to fix the budget for the moment (it included putting an end to certain loopholes in the tax system minimal raise in taxes (what the democrats wanted) and cutting expenses (what the republicans wanted)). But the mighty Tea Party movement said, not with us. Bringing the US to the bringe of bankruptcy just not to compromise. That's clearly not, what the founding fathers had with a system of checks and balances in mind. In a more party system, with the tea party as a party of their own, the Republicans (the less extremist of them), would have been able to do what their share of voters wanted to do and could let the tea party and their supporters do what they wanted to do and save face. And the respective voters would be better represented.
The democrats would probably split in 2 or more parties too, if one does not count the green party of america as an offspring already. But I think with more parties it would actually be easier to find compromises than with two big dinosaurs, in which one is currently some sort of civil war about the leader ship is going on.

@ Hyo

Not to burst ya bubble, but you kinda killed Marazzino in that version ;d

@ Due

Awh hell naw bro, nevah again ;(

@ Panna

Gotta give credit where credit is due. Conflict should atleast change that little fampic of theirs, not only because 2.7b is not even a version (it kinda looks silly when you claim you won a version that never existed) but because they are probably talking about 2.71, and they just didn't win that one imho.

Is it official?

fam system will be lower than 36 fams.. gl guys

Who gives a shit about inze, they were up for 1 vers and then they quited. Non importe imo

Saros`away, get your ass on irc :@

Dude, Inze was all but a cheater fam, offc we hade dupes and scripters, but what fam doesnt.. nothing to do about that!
And yeah we rly liked to attack. But that would have never worked without NLS, Marazzino, Selvatica and other bloods!

Inzerillo was 15 peepz with loooooooooooooooots of dupes :) (i was one of them :') )