You people are unbelievable. You get beat so all you do is bitch, moan, and give up. If the tables were turned and the other pact would have won the first war and Conflict+ would have given up (which they wouldnt have) would you still have the same mentality? Of course not! Youd be saying the same thing ... rank back up!

Here is a little fact for you, if the people who died in the first war would have ranked back up from the start instead of taking their toys and going home like a 4 year old, Conflict, Bruinsma, and Righelli would not be the top families right now.

Do you expect to always be able to knock down a wall with one big swing of a hammer? No, you do it in multiple little swings, chipping away bit by bit.

Supremazia = Down
Affinitas = Down
Vincitori = Down
Armada = Down
Lucchese = Badly damaged
Conflict = Weak
Righelli = Weak

What more do you want?

I blame the admins for ALOT of bullshit thats happened in this game and I believe they share a small part of the responsibility for why the gameplay is the way it is atm (although the majority of the responsibility belongs to the players) however, this game is not meant to be a shootout to see who the winner will be leading to a reset in 2 months time. This game was never supposed to reset every couple of months. The original vision for this game was to be never ending where 1 family can be killed and then restart and kill the family that killed them. With this KA, that is possible.

But apparently you have 4 year olds that play this game. Everytime they die they throw temper tantrums and make excuses about why they failed. If you restart and make a new account, you can turn this direction of the game around. Of course its not as easy as it is when everyone has to start from scratch, but its not impossible!

The fact of the matter is, pacts will not go away. Theyve been getting bigger and bigger since this game was launched. There has ALWAYS been some kind of pact and now has grown to the size of 2 distinct sides. Lets be realistic here, even if the side of Conflict+ decides to play "on their own" and not support each other what will the other side do? Of course they will hit Conflict as soon as they can. Then what do the rest of the families do? Well, of course they would hit back because the probability that one of them would be next is 99.9%! And if it was the other way around, you can not tell me the other families would not do the same thing.

This is the day and age of the gangbang. You have to adapt and overcome. Dont get me wrong, I long for the days when wars were 1v1. THAT was fun! But the second Conflict does a 1v1 war, 7 other families will jump on them cause they are weak. And people do this all in the name of the all powerful omerta victory!

The bottom line is, things arent changing around here any time soon. If your going to whine and cry for reset every time you die then ffs just leave this game and dont come back because that mentality is more damaging then the gangbang wars.

And just for the record, a few versions ago, there was a certain pact that not only killed every family that was a threat (and never turned on each other) and then went as far as killing every family that allowed those who died to re-rank in their families as well as any famliless high rank. There was NO way to restart at all. So what did we do? Took to guerrilla warfare. We ranked in secret and hijacked as many of those families as we could ... and it was damn fun! So even under the most oppressive controlling families you can still make a difference and have some fun in the process.

With this KA, anything is possible ... take advantage of it.

I just want to put this out there, if everyone that died didn't stop ranking, where would this game be right now?

Thats the whole reason why I said "alleged".

No matter how you spin it, the reason the war failed was not because of the "alleged" DDOS attack. Ill concede that the downtime hurt the attackers more then the defenders ... but not as much as you tell yourself at night. The defenders had already started shooting back and the kills were close to equal when Omerta went down. Also, there was no massive defender strike when the servers came back up ... again, the kills continued to remain equal. I can tell you with 100% certainty, Lucchese got fucked because of the downtime.

Of course the admins have every reason to lie about the downtime. Whats a more likely excuse for a business trying to generate money? A) A mysterious attack occurred causing high tech and top of the line equipment to crash, or B) The servers couldnt handle the load of a massive war coupled with 9 pages of code in the KA.

Why would the admins not adopt the popular theory to push blame off themselves? Bramblerose promised more information on the "DDOS attack" ... hows that working out for you? Wheres your big investigation and information on those responsible?

Lol, fail0rz always looking for someone to blame.

Look at the first 15 minutes of that war compared to the first 15 minutes of each of the 3 wars last night and youll see that the (alleged) DDOS attack had nothing to do with that fail.

One side always wins for the same reason the other side always losses ... organization and execution.

Whats that I hear? I believe thats the flame train coming down the tracks!!

If I had a dollar for everytime I heard that statement from the admins. If there is actually an "update" I'll give $100 omertà dollars to the first person that posts if they do "update"!! Of course, since I said that, there probably will be an update now. :p

But seriously, more times then I can remember, the admins have said "we will look into it and let you know" only to not have them respond ... At all ... Ever.

I would really love to know the real reason behind the crash, whether it be a ddos attack or otherwise. The people who pay good money to play this game deserve to know why their game was interrupted and fucked up!

ReBorN|DrinKinG

There is a big difference between 1000 people requesting crimes pages (which are probably a couple of lines of code) and 500 people requesting kill pages, which are 9 pages of code. Even if the revamp of the ka shortened the amount of code I'm sure it is still very sizeable. Or it could simply be that the re-write of the ka wasn't stress tested enough and it proved too much for the system to handle when it came to crunch time.

As a Top in a "defender" family, I can assure you we knew nothing of any attack on a server. But I can tell you it screwed us as much as anyone else. We had already started shooting Yigidos & Blacksea when the servers went down. It wasn't until the servers came up that Underground started shooting at us. In the meantime, some of our shooters went offline. So it's a little counter productive to attack the server without letting the other defenders know so we could plan accordingly also. Another reason why I think it was simply a server crash and not an attack.

You believe everything the admins tell you? I'm sure every akill they e ever made is legit too. I'm sure every mod in #help has vast knowledge of the game. I'm sure the goal of the owners is to provide a fun "free-to-play" game and not a business to milk money for shitty features. I'm sure they have better customer service then your local pub too. You get my point?

"Dude", read my post entirely next time and you would see I already addressed why the admins would claim a ddos attack.

Oh, and let's not forget that this isn't the first time a server has crashed and the admins were left with no explanation. How long did it take to fix all the 50* errors again?

1st of all, I don't know shit about ddos attacks. I have no idea how long they are to setup or how complicated they are. But what makes more sense? A) someone attacked the servers to give themselves an advantage in the war? Or B) due to multiple massive wars multiple servers overloaded the servers and they went down?

I wasn't online when this happened but I heard IRC went down too. Would that be a result of the same ddos attack claim? Or just another example of poor servers?

Let's look at 2 very crucial facts: 1) this isn't the first time (and I'm sure not the last) that omertà servers have crashed for hours. 2) when the war started at 2032 there was an initial wave against Liberta & Vincitori. Within 5 minutes the deaths were even between attackers and defenders until the servers went down at 2046. When the servers came back up at 2211 the deaths were immediately even again between attackers and defenders.

Where is the advantage for the defenders? As eviL said, both sides had detectives running and were actively shooting so how did this benefit the defenders?

Now going back to my original statements about not knowing anything about ddos attacks, would it makes more sense (if the defenders were looking for an advantage) that they would initiate the ddos attack before the attackers fired? Wouldn't it make more sense to just set your dets for 3 hours and then do the attack for 2 hours to prevent the attackers from shooting at all?

If someone is smart enough to do such an attack, surely they would be smart enough to initiate said attack to maximize the benefit of it. The only benefit I see here was (maybe) the ability to call more ranks online to help out. But seeing as though the war leaked heavily most of the defenders were already online anyway so what's the point?

I think it is much more logical that the servers simply crashed and the admins saw an easy way out by confirming a popular rumor. Can you imagine the backlash to the admins if the acknowledged that their servers failed during the most important aspect of the game?

Think logically and look at the facts before jumping on the bandwagon of a rumor simply because it suits your argument.

While personally, Im not a fan of asking members to send Honor Points to a specific person in the game, I find nothing wrong with reminding members how important it is to send HPs to the Don and the benefits it can achieve. Furthermore, it is MUCH more responsible then demanding they be sent or mass duping in order to get your Don to #1. ;)

Smash racism!! Rofl. This same argument all over again? I can't speak to the motives of some people who bash Turks around here but I can speak to my own. I have met some great Turkish players here on omerta but the majority of them are ignorant and portray themselves as idiotic and honor-less.

Now when speaking about Turks I'm of course not speaking about Turksish people as a nation but only Turks in the general sense of people I've met playing this game. Why do I find that most Turks carry the same stereo-type? I don't know, maybe it's the same 5 guys playing 1000 accounts. The world may never know.

I'm sure Turkey is a beautiful place to live and there are alot of awesome people. I just wish the awesome people of Turkey played this game instead of the arrogant ones. :p

You have got to be kidding right? Just because you have the highest worth and/or highest amount of Brugs at the end of the version does not mean you are the winner, it just means you hug the most.

The true winner is determined by the family that impacted the version the most, the family that was feared the most, the family that was involved in the most wars, the family that inflicted the most damage. Did anyone ever really fear Liberta this version (or any version for that matter)? I doubt it. I'm sure the pact didn't fear you guys.

There are two reasons Liberta grew as big as they did in this version:
1) Bloodship to the pact
2) Gathering families to join your own pact.

And it seems the only reason for #2 was to attempt to declare yourselves the winners at the end of the version.

When people start judging the winner by who is the largest at the end of the version over who actually controlled the version really signals the end of this game.

PS - The self-proclaimed winners (Liberta) only have 4 votes in this player-based poll ;)

Note quite sure what you meant there, but I wasnt questioning your intelligence (as I clearly stated) I was merely suggesting that you re-read what I posted. I dont think you grasped the entirety of my comments the first time. ;)

Anyway, Im off for the night. Im sure there will be alot of flame when I return tomorrow and Ill gladly pick back up where I left off.

Good night everyone and happy shooting!!! Hope to see a night long war so I hope the attackers can pick up some more steam and take out some more targets! :D

Likewise, I wouldnt want to question someone else's intelligence either, but you should re-read what I wrote.

Ahhhhh, good ol' Yama. Its good to see you. I was simply picking a VERY easy example of how people can act "pussy" at certain times. Nazdrovia did ALOT of things near the end of that version that made alot of people LOL.

Tell me this, what is so different between you creating a pact with your bloods to purposely close a version that wouldnt have been closed otherwise and Conflict playing with bloods they have played with for years? And lets not forget, these are basically the same bloods theyve worked with for the past couple of versions they lost as well (+/- 1/2).

People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. Like I said before, everyone does this. Dont hate simply because Conflict did it better.

Oh, I apologize Becherovka, I didnt realize you were Nazdrovia. Hey, by the way, speaking of "pussy pacts", do you want to have a conversation about the time ERA alliance won the version and the part Nazdrovia played in that? ;)

I know some have shot each other and others have had extreme differences of opinion, but before those times they have worked together either directly or by proxy. I didnt mean to suggest that things have always been perfect between all of them, but they have worked together, and well I might add, in the past when common interests were in their favor. Thats why I said throughout the years of Omerta. ;)

^^ Always makes me laugh. These families have always worked together and/or blooded each other many MANY times throughout the years of Omerta. Now all of a sudden because of Lackeys and some new blood from the .nl servers they grew astronomical in size and are hence considered pussies? Cmon, any number of families could have done the same thing if they had the history together these Tops do. I know most and them and have worked with most of them myself and their organizational skills along with theirs willingness to work hard together and share the profits together are very equal throughout all of the families.

Dont hate simply because they did it better.

Just an early breakdown, this looks like an awesome war!

11 families vs 11 families

786 Brugs vs 552 Brugs (1.42 ratio)

Now, of course, bloods will jump in for the defenders and they will ultimately be victorious (in my opinion), but not before taking heavy damage.

If the defenders to pull this off and survive, with the help of their bloods, you have to give them tremendous respect for being able to do it. Theyve been shooting for days and Im sure they have alot of accounts that havent been able to rebuild yet, not to mention being outnumbered initially (of course).

And before all the talk of how they have so many bullets and so much money blah blah blah ... it takes at LEAST a couple of days to help families of that size recover from wars due to pure logistics alone! There is no way to get all the money needed to all the Brug+ accounts in order to recover properly with only a handful of Tops to do that. So they may have had the resources to do it but I highly doubt they had the time to do it.

With all that being said, big congrats to the attackers no matter what the outcome is. It must have taken alot of planning to get this war off the ground and alot of balls to shoot with such a small ratio. Im sure they knew they would probably either die or at the very least be heavily damaged after this war but good job making it happen anyway!

No matter the outcome, I think its safe to say this should almost wipe this version clean and be open to many families. I think your looking at at least 900 dead Brug+! I just wish I was a Brug so I could share in the fun. :\

Good luck all! Ill be enjoying the view with my popcorn from the sidelines. :p