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04-02 Let's Finish This

01:12:34 - 05-02

Anonymous at 00:53:11 on 05/02:
True that if you stack the numbers up like that it is a massive amount of over kill and alot of overkill or so it may seem. As i stated before not every brug chief and lc in the attacking fams shot as that would simple not be able and not just amount of possible shooters, but also actually amount of people able of being online and actually shooting. I do agree with you that it is for the reader to think about this for him or herself.

The reason however i started all these talks is that this is actually what you say to one of the posters on this site. and then in a next say "its quite an outliner cause of the high numbers" apperently forgetting what you said before that, Which was "but in most wars, not everyone is shooting everyone" and ill add not everyone is shooting. Again ill state its for the reader to ponder of this aswell.

Sorry, my wording was unclear. What I meant was that in a war with counters, not all families are always getting shot by the counering fam. So while the overall ratio might be (like in this case) negative for the attackers after a counter, individual families might still be shooting with worse odds (e.g. no one is countering on Gambino in this case). The fact that not all shooters are online is a non-issue as it applies to both sides, so a 5:1 gangbang is still different from a 2:1 war in relative terms.

Anonymous at 00:53:11 on 05/02:
The biased comes from the initial reports of the vinci war where the attacking side pretty much got dragged thru the mud, over these numbers, which where introduced only in that war, and where not seen in previous versions, where odds where just as staggering. as i said in my previous post and you compleetly ignore anarchy(60+lc+) VS Tattaglia(whitewalkers) which was a staggering overpowerment aswell did not show these numbers. ill admit they might not have been as high but cant be far off since whitewalkers right now have 19 lc+. This atleast creates a sense of some biasedness in reporting.

We've experimented with various things in the past, including ratios and various visualizations to display them (based on, for example, fam strength). It's just a matter of not having the time or motivation to do it for every war. As an example, all war reports last version were created by one reporter, would you have rather had none at all?

I would also argue that the Tattaglia war was not directly comparable as it was a fight over starting in a city without permission (or so they thought trolol), and at the same time a 1v1 war. You can't blame Anarchy for having the size they had, and you can't expect them not to shoot someone over something like that just because it would be a gangbang. It's all about the small details here. Various families who claim to not be related attacking one family 6 vs 1 is a different thing entirely.

Anonymous at 00:53:11 on 05/02:
I can actually very well discern between what is relevant and what is not, and how to see things in perspective if i might say so myself, what i find to be lacking is you grasping the point, of my point being made.
And what i think is shamefull is that you in your last line resort once again to trying to "degrade" someone by saying they need to go back to kindergarten, and i personally believe you as a moderator of this site should set your self to a highers standard then that. or if you are speaking on personal note on the matter, atleast make it clear that you are doing exactly that.
Alot of forums where moderators partake in converstaion, and if they do so on personal note make that distinction and actually post that.

Sadly it is probably too late to start any meaningful moderation on this forum. It has always been toxic, as is this community in general, as we all know. I don't really care about the tone here as long as it doesn't go too far into personal business, and I expect everyone else to do the same.

04-02 Let's Finish This

00:50:23 - 05-02

Anonymous at 00:45:31 on 05/02:

MurderInc at 00:30:51 on 05/02:

Anonymous at 00:27:34 on 05/02:

Anonymous at 00:21:03 on 05/02:

Snooker at 00:19:22 on 05/02:

MurderInc at 00:13:21 on 05/02:
In other news, Gambino education:

Daryl 05-Feb @ 00:08:31 Daryl totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Daryl
Maryjane 05-Feb @ 00:06:28 Maryjane totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Maryjane
Mu 05-Feb @ 00:00:17 Mu totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Mu
Glitterfart 04-Feb @ 23:57:05 Glitterfart totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Glitterfart
Shine 04-Feb @ 23:50:33 Shine totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Shine
Icecold 04-Feb @ 23:41:34 Icecold totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Icecold
Parcival 04-Feb @ 23:31:15 Parcival totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Parcival

That's how you use your don, top 3 and capos!

Noobs since v1.0

Sssst Cheater since ...

most likely taken from lina :490,014 (Backfire: 430,014)

and they are draining her of bullets, which makes waaaay more sense then hitting her with 60k and prolly suicide 5 accounts of her. But murderinc just got his ass handed to him in this topic and now is looking to trash talk someone else.
even though siberia would most likely do the same thing if roles where reversed.
so who the hell are you calling a noob. idiot?

Well, I have most certainly never seen anyone preshoot someone (even while online, for the last two!) with top accounts (Don, Top 3, 2 capos) without doing any damage. I don't think anyone else has either. It's quite cute.

Full villa protection, hometown top 10 overall rank/points.

Yeah sure shoot 60k then... why suicide if u got them overpowerd.

war is 1 vs 1

He was online for a total of 4 attempts now.

04-02 Let's Finish This

00:30:51 - 05-02

Anonymous at 00:27:34 on 05/02:

Anonymous at 00:21:03 on 05/02:

Snooker at 00:19:22 on 05/02:

MurderInc at 00:13:21 on 05/02:
In other news, Gambino education:

Daryl 05-Feb @ 00:08:31 Daryl totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Daryl
Maryjane 05-Feb @ 00:06:28 Maryjane totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Maryjane
Mu 05-Feb @ 00:00:17 Mu totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Mu
Glitterfart 04-Feb @ 23:57:05 Glitterfart totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Glitterfart
Shine 04-Feb @ 23:50:33 Shine totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Shine
Icecold 04-Feb @ 23:41:34 Icecold totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Icecold
Parcival 04-Feb @ 23:31:15 Parcival totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Parcival

That's how you use your don, top 3 and capos!

Noobs since v1.0

Sssst Cheater since ...

most likely taken from lina :490,014 (Backfire: 430,014)

and they are draining her of bullets, which makes waaaay more sense then hitting her with 60k and prolly suicide 5 accounts of her. But murderinc just got his ass handed to him in this topic and now is looking to trash talk someone else.
even though siberia would most likely do the same thing if roles where reversed.
so who the hell are you calling a noob. idiot?

Well, I have most certainly never seen anyone preshoot someone (even while online, for the last two!) with top accounts (Don, Top 3, 2 capos) without doing any damage. I don't think anyone else has either. It's quite cute.

04-02 Let's Finish This

00:27:28 - 05-02

Anonymous at 00:18:52 on 05/02:
Whats wrong murderinc cant take anymore?

Your statements are contradicting very much so, and as someone state out below me. no "odds" where not added previous version when siberia was hitting with high attack to defence odds. no "odds" added when Tattaglia got hit by anarchy just before the vinci war. even though anarchy at that point had roughly 60+ lc+

And instead of actually going into this clear biased from reporters on this site "your shutting it down" but am glad you are cause now atleast your showing that all the shit you are getting ingame and here is founded. so thank you for that.

Oh and sure it is worth mentioning just like everything posted above and by others is also worth mentioning but your taking a discussion based around the ethics of which this site is using regarding reporting and taking it from the public domain into a private one, which is cool. but it shows that there is a measure of thruth to what is being said.

In the words of tyrrian lanister of game of thrones "silencing me doesnt prove me wrong, it only proves you have something to hide." and right now it seems there are things being said your rather not come out. if this wasnt true you wouldnt "thread" to use your powers as a moderator on this site to shut something down.

and as said in my previous posts it isnt about the outright numbers those are right. but as said "not everybody in the attacking families shot, so those numbres would be way lower if you factor that in" how nice of you to talk straight over that point being made.

In general people try to talk over points to which the have no defence and are true, so Murderinc stop hiding show some backbone and lets keep going shall we?

I updated this article to include the correct ratio hours ago. It is NEGATIVE for the attacking side. I'm on the defending side. How can you possibly use that as an argument for this site being biased?

If I wanted to shut anything down, I would have deleted all comments regarding this matter. I did not. I have no interest in this discussions and the reporters on this site don't have to accept every shit claim and be called names for everything they do here. We do this for free, for the community and there are reporters from all sides, all of which could add or edit anything that is biased or inaccurate. We do not decline any applications from new reporters based on the family they're in.

If you cannot understand that things can be both irrelevant when looked at in isolation and still worth including for the general picture, then I can't help you and suggest you go back to primary school.

04-02 Let's Finish This

00:16:19 - 05-02

Anonymous at 00:15:32 on 05/02:

MurderInc at 00:13:21 on 05/02:
In other news, Gambino education:

Daryl 05-Feb @ 00:08:31 Daryl totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Daryl
Maryjane 05-Feb @ 00:06:28 Maryjane totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Maryjane
Mu 05-Feb @ 00:00:17 Mu totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Mu
Glitterfart 04-Feb @ 23:57:05 Glitterfart totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Glitterfart
Shine 04-Feb @ 23:50:33 Shine totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Shine
Icecold 04-Feb @ 23:41:34 Icecold totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Icecold
Parcival 04-Feb @ 23:31:15 Parcival totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Parcival

That's how you use your don, top 3 and capos!

sssst your dead, how did u do?

Doing great, thanks!

04-02 Let's Finish This

00:13:21 - 05-02

In other news, Gambino education:

Daryl 05-Feb @ 00:08:31 Daryl totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Daryl
Maryjane 05-Feb @ 00:06:28 Maryjane totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Maryjane
Mu 05-Feb @ 00:00:17 Mu totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Mu
Glitterfart 04-Feb @ 23:57:05 Glitterfart totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Glitterfart
Shine 04-Feb @ 23:50:33 Shine totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Shine
Icecold 04-Feb @ 23:41:34 Icecold totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Icecold
Parcival 04-Feb @ 23:31:15 Parcival totally missed you, you hit back and did some damage to Parcival

That's how you use your don, top 3 and capos!

04-02 Let's Finish This

00:05:23 - 05-02

Anonymous at 23:34:57 on 04/02:

MurderInc at 23:18:56 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 23:09:36 on 04/02:

MurderInc at 22:16:49 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 21:32:20 on 04/02:

Steffi at 21:17:40 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 21:08:13 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 21:02:08 on 04/02:
You might as well remove that odds statistic now the counter has begun.

Nope tjey will never do it cause all the reporters here belongs to gayberia any they want :) they are allways right :P

so you dont thik the initial attack is worth to mention in such a article ?? whom ever you are..
i think it has a very valid reason to be there

I don't think the ratio of the initial attack is important as most warplans do keep a counter of the bloods in mind. An update of this would give a way better view of what's going on in such war. The initial numbers would only confuse people and would only seem like an excuse in case you lose a war.

The odds were uprdated by soomeone though so that's cool.

Just looking at odds alone generally doesn't paint a complete picture of any war, even with all counters accounted for. It's a useful measure, but in most wars, not everyone is shooting everyone, and the individual ratios of fights between families involved can differ quite significantly from the overall ratio. It's also a lot of effort to keep track off, so we generally don't do that.

Yet you (OB writers) add them and only started doing it in the vinci war

* starts to wonder about that

That war was quite the outlier in that it was 6v1 with a 5:1 brug and 7.5:1 chief ratio. We also include deaths per family and deaths on the attacking and defending side. Those numbers aren't worth anything in isolation either, and we still include them. What's your issue? Use your brain while interpreting them and stop complaining about non-issues, or just don't read this site.

if you take into account what you just said "odds alone generally doesn't paint a complete picture of any war". its kinda funny your comeback is now that the odds where so huge that it was worth a mention. following that logic this war shouldnt show odds at all cause it isnt an "outliner" in the odds of the highranks way.

as you quite clearly stated "not all the members shoot" so then calling a 5:1 and 7.5:1 odd on that war really doesnt apply anymore as not every brug and chief in those fams prolly shot making those odds drop down way more, the just the number of high ranks in a fam.

so my point is consistency from your (personal) part in your replies as at one point you state that odds alone arent rly a figure to look upon just on its own, and then use an example from a previous war to state exactly the opposite of what you said.

as regarding to your mention of highranks dying those in general tell you alot more then just the number of deaths spread of the ranks. and give a nice overview in general of the dmg done to a family in the example above (having followed the war real time) you can quite clearly see by the number of deaths that empusa did not so much dmg to either siberia, as the countering fams did to empusa. in numbers of high ranks killed.

Seriously, these discussions are pointless. None of you morons should be surprised when no one bothers to write or update articles with all the useless complaints you throw at reporters.

My statements aren't contradicting each other: The war was an outlier, and any measure in isolation is not meaningful. That doesn't mean it's not worth mentioning, as long as the numbers are accurate (which they are to our knowledge). The interpretation is up to the reader.

I'm ending this discussion, if you have any issue with the accuracy of any numbers contact a reporter directly. Further comments will be deleted.

04-02 Let's Finish This

23:18:56 - 04-02

Anonymous at 23:09:36 on 04/02:

MurderInc at 22:16:49 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 21:32:20 on 04/02:

Steffi at 21:17:40 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 21:08:13 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 21:02:08 on 04/02:
You might as well remove that odds statistic now the counter has begun.

Nope tjey will never do it cause all the reporters here belongs to gayberia any they want :) they are allways right :P

so you dont thik the initial attack is worth to mention in such a article ?? whom ever you are..
i think it has a very valid reason to be there

I don't think the ratio of the initial attack is important as most warplans do keep a counter of the bloods in mind. An update of this would give a way better view of what's going on in such war. The initial numbers would only confuse people and would only seem like an excuse in case you lose a war.

The odds were uprdated by soomeone though so that's cool.

Just looking at odds alone generally doesn't paint a complete picture of any war, even with all counters accounted for. It's a useful measure, but in most wars, not everyone is shooting everyone, and the individual ratios of fights between families involved can differ quite significantly from the overall ratio. It's also a lot of effort to keep track off, so we generally don't do that.

Yet you (OB writers) add them and only started doing it in the vinci war

* starts to wonder about that

That war was quite the outlier in that it was 6v1 with a 5:1 brug and 7.5:1 chief ratio. We also include deaths per family and deaths on the attacking and defending side. Those numbers aren't worth anything in isolation either, and we still include them. What's your issue? Use your brain while interpreting them and stop complaining about non-issues, or just don't read this site.

04-02 Let's Finish This

22:16:49 - 04-02

Anonymous at 21:32:20 on 04/02:

Steffi at 21:17:40 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 21:08:13 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 21:02:08 on 04/02:
You might as well remove that odds statistic now the counter has begun.

Nope tjey will never do it cause all the reporters here belongs to gayberia any they want :) they are allways right :P

so you dont thik the initial attack is worth to mention in such a article ?? whom ever you are..
i think it has a very valid reason to be there

I don't think the ratio of the initial attack is important as most warplans do keep a counter of the bloods in mind. An update of this would give a way better view of what's going on in such war. The initial numbers would only confuse people and would only seem like an excuse in case you lose a war.

The odds were uprdated by soomeone though so that's cool.

Just looking at odds alone generally doesn't paint a complete picture of any war, even with all counters accounted for. It's a useful measure, but in most wars, not everyone is shooting everyone, and the individual ratios of fights between families involved can differ quite significantly from the overall ratio. It's also a lot of effort to keep track off, so we generally don't do that.

04-02 Let's Finish This

18:55:41 - 04-02

Anonymous at 18:54:12 on 04/02:

MurderInc at 18:52:44 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 18:51:57 on 04/02:

Biscuit the good dog at 18:48:11 on 04/02:
gambino at the moment...

You mean siberia too sh ? Like always. And then you call gambino sh huggers lol

I hope you're not gonna shoot us in safehouse too!!111

us? arent u dead allrdy :")

Revive sheats.

04-02 Let's Finish This

18:52:44 - 04-02

Anonymous at 18:51:57 on 04/02:

Biscuit the good dog at 18:48:11 on 04/02:
gambino at the moment...

You mean siberia too sh ? Like always. And then you call gambino sh huggers lol

I hope you're not gonna shoot us in safehouse too!!111

General Comments & Major Rumors

18:50:55 - 04-02

Anonymous at 18:43:00 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 18:37:21 on 04/02:

MurderInc at 18:28:39 on 04/02:

Anonymous at 18:20:17 on 04/02:

MurderInc at 17:03:06 on 04/02:

anonymous at 13:31:28 on 04/02:
I wonder why some post here are removed

people who warn for using beyond script are getting banned and removed

Care to explain yourself, or just out to troll? No comments relating to OB have been deleted.

Ok you cant know and havent seen every post that comes accross this board so wont hold it against you that you say no comments about OB have been removed while in fact one has been.

let me explain,

in response to the post that started off this whole debate about site users using IP address of anon posters cross checking them against IRC ips. or whatever the whole deal is with that.

some posted that it is far more logical that OB the script you run ingame actually records your ingame data, and send its back to the creators/admins/devs whatever of said script. A script am more then willing to point out you contributed too.

This post WAS deleted.
so maybe in future seeing as i said earlier that i dont expect you too have read every single msg that comes across this board. it might be wise to say that allthough you have no knowledge of that post being removed. Instead of outright saying it hasnt been removed

Thank you

No such comment was deleted. We have access to a changelog that shows every deleted comment and there wasn't anything resembling this in the last 2 days.

OmertaBeyond is Open Source. That means everyone can read and verify the source code doesn't do anything malicious. We have a lot of developers who aren't actively playing anymore, but still work on OmertaBeyond occasionally (vBm, MrWhite, ...) and would notice any attempt to include any kind of backdoor and shut that down.

Go ahead and read the source code at https://github.com/OmertaBeyond/OBv2 or ask someone who understands JavaScript to do so. If you're really paranoid, disable automatic updates and review every update manually before installing it.

well thnx for the links i certainly dig deeper into it now, but for starters can you explain why OB needs acces to my Bodyguard page, cause as far as i can see it makes no changes to the page. the rest of what i saw OB interacts with in some way except for that page i couldnt explain, hope you can.

Regarding the post being deleted, i gave you the benefit of the doubt before now you are outright lying. I suggest you check thru that changelog for a post made on in general rumours board, at around 16:45 OT, prolly have to look a bit before that rather then after that time.

Ill be back for more ;)

And in response to myself, i do apologice apperently i scrolled over that post 3 times and didnt see it. so for that am sorry.

However i still would like an explanation for the Bodyguard pages needing to be accessed

We do make some minute changes to the bodyguard page. Specifically, collapsing the Bio text by default to save space. Here's the before/after:
http://puu.sh/mVLNg/8194a87854.png
http://puu.sh/mVLLj/a9bb262ee7.png

Additionally, we have a feature that allows you to get a notification whenever you can continue training a bodyguard (i.e. 60 seconds after you last trained one).

Other than that, there's no interaction with the bodyguards page.

Direct link to the relevant part of the source:
https://github.com/OmertaBeyond/OBv2/blob/master/ob.user.js#L4834

04-02 Let's Finish This

18:37:57 - 04-02

Anonymous at 18:34:50 on 04/02:
Odds:
Bruglione 4,25:1
Chief 3,4:1

That makes no sense this time :) like the topic its a unfinish job from the first war

That's probably why you can only see the raw numbers, and no further comment. Or do numbers scare you that much?

General Comments & Major Rumors

18:28:39 - 04-02

Anonymous at 18:20:17 on 04/02:

MurderInc at 17:03:06 on 04/02:

anonymous at 13:31:28 on 04/02:
I wonder why some post here are removed

people who warn for using beyond script are getting banned and removed

Care to explain yourself, or just out to troll? No comments relating to OB have been deleted.

Ok you cant know and havent seen every post that comes accross this board so wont hold it against you that you say no comments about OB have been removed while in fact one has been.

let me explain,

in response to the post that started off this whole debate about site users using IP address of anon posters cross checking them against IRC ips. or whatever the whole deal is with that.

some posted that it is far more logical that OB the script you run ingame actually records your ingame data, and send its back to the creators/admins/devs whatever of said script. A script am more then willing to point out you contributed too.

This post WAS deleted.
so maybe in future seeing as i said earlier that i dont expect you too have read every single msg that comes across this board. it might be wise to say that allthough you have no knowledge of that post being removed. Instead of outright saying it hasnt been removed

Thank you

No such comment was deleted. We have access to a changelog that shows every deleted comment and there wasn't anything resembling this in the last 2 days.

OmertaBeyond is Open Source. That means everyone can read and verify the source code doesn't do anything malicious. We have a lot of developers who aren't actively playing anymore, but still work on OmertaBeyond occasionally (vBm, MrWhite, ...) and would notice any attempt to include any kind of backdoor and shut that down.

Go ahead and read the source code at https://github.com/OmertaBeyond/OBv2 or ask someone who understands JavaScript to do so. If you're really paranoid, disable automatic updates and review every update manually before installing it.

General Comments & Major Rumors

17:03:06 - 04-02

anonymous at 13:31:28 on 04/02:
I wonder why some post here are removed

people who warn for using beyond script are getting banned and removed

Care to explain yourself, or just out to troll? No comments relating to OB have been deleted.

Anonymous at 16:46:25 on 04/02:
the retard here is totally you. that deny all the abuses you and siberia did. But guess what. Almost all are totally truth. No ban to murderdick for language abuse?

Still waiting for your evidence!

General Comments & Major Rumors

20:35:46 - 03-02

Anonymous at 20:30:33 on 03/02:

MurderInc at 19:33:41 on 03/02:

Anonymous at 14:31:04 on 03/02:

Johnx at 14:15:50 on 03/02:

Anonymous at 14:13:06 on 03/02:
dear beyond admins,

some of your friends do not deserve to work with you due to data selling to regular omerta players.

the abuser admin shares the source of anonymous posts with active player(s) in the game let them take advantage of these data.

dear beyond users,

as soon as you login with your real nick once, admins can match your ip addresses with your anonymous posts and figure out who you are and unfortuneatly some admins use this data for their friend(s) benefits.

p.s : as soon as you can figure out who i am, the most authorized admin can find me at irc and take more detailed info...

Please do tell who it is that is giving up those informations then.
Just to point out I haven't seen it happen yet. However I have seen anonymous persons write where I knew very well who was doing it due to their distinct writing style and typical errors, take that into consideration prior to accusing people.

Murderinc is doing this for example...

Where's your evidence?

If you suspect we're involved in that kind of behaviour, please use https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en or any other proxy service for your anonymous posts.

lol. so once more you admit you use that info for your on purpose.. Funny how dirty this became. Funny how retire in the right timing. And yes. Beyond Admins always trace ips from anonymous. So suck my balls murderinc :) And good luck next versions. I dont play anymore. Just wana suicide on siberias to see them rage and cry over here. That's is just priceless :)

Are you fucking retarded or something? Where did I admit anything?

Show your evidence or shut up.

General Comments & Major Rumors

19:33:41 - 03-02

Anonymous at 14:31:04 on 03/02:

Johnx at 14:15:50 on 03/02:

Anonymous at 14:13:06 on 03/02:
dear beyond admins,

some of your friends do not deserve to work with you due to data selling to regular omerta players.

the abuser admin shares the source of anonymous posts with active player(s) in the game let them take advantage of these data.

dear beyond users,

as soon as you login with your real nick once, admins can match your ip addresses with your anonymous posts and figure out who you are and unfortuneatly some admins use this data for their friend(s) benefits.

p.s : as soon as you can figure out who i am, the most authorized admin can find me at irc and take more detailed info...

Please do tell who it is that is giving up those informations then.
Just to point out I haven't seen it happen yet. However I have seen anonymous persons write where I knew very well who was doing it due to their distinct writing style and typical errors, take that into consideration prior to accusing people.

Murderinc is doing this for example...

Where's your evidence?

If you suspect we're involved in that kind of behaviour, please use https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en or any other proxy service for your anonymous posts.

02-02 The Perfect Opportunity pt II

22:50:50 - 02-02

Anonymous at 22:49:11 on 02/02:

MurderInc at 22:34:28 on 02/02:

Merton at 22:31:46 on 02/02:
This was never intended to be a pact, hell I never spoke to some of them before, we had a dream that one day this game will rise up and live out the true meaning of its type: "We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all families are created equal."

We had a dream yesterday.

but now I'm dead :) and I spelt Critycal's name wrong :( and missed out on 8 million...

Version is now open to be claimed go people go shoot for your families.

Merton Luther King II confirmed.

you're on here all day murderinc get a life pls

Where can I buy one?

02-02 The Perfect Opportunity pt II

22:34:28 - 02-02

Merton at 22:31:46 on 02/02:
This was never intended to be a pact, hell I never spoke to some of them before, we had a dream that one day this game will rise up and live out the true meaning of its type: "We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all families are created equal."

We had a dream yesterday.

but now I'm dead :) and I spelt Critycal's name wrong :( and missed out on 8 million...

Version is now open to be claimed go people go shoot for your families.

Merton Luther King II confirmed.

02-02 The Perfect Opportunity pt II

22:27:59 - 02-02

GFCM at 22:19:49 on 02/02:

MurderInc at 22:13:55 on 02/02:

GFCM at 22:09:54 on 02/02:

MurderInc at 22:05:38 on 02/02:

GFCM at 22:02:59 on 02/02:

Anonymous at 21:47:53 on 02/02:

GFCM at 21:45:12 on 02/02:
It's so good to see some egos being shut up this version. Finally, we do have a version where there are more than just Siberia and Anarchy sides, which is a surprise. What is ironic now is the fact that some of the families who have been pacting everyversions are now the ones who are crying about a third pact, if we can call it that.

The ones who were crying. Have become what they hated... a pact.

Is that so? I don't know, but they are not a pact. Yesterday, Phoenix shot with some of these families and today they are shooting against some of 'em. Some of them are bloods, yes, but I don't see this side as a pact. They might have realised that they had to be together to finish some families, otherwise they'd be raped, because that was what happened every last versions. To conclude, even if they are a pact, at least we have 3 pacts this version and not only 2, which is a bit better

Who did Phoenix shoot with yesterday? Their blood Vincitori was gangraped by the families shooting at the moment. They weren't involved.

Sorry my mistake, I wanted to say that they shot with Anarchy side, sorry. If Phoenix shot 31-01, are they from which side? And still, I don't think all these families are a pact, because some of them don't even have any kind of relations, they're just working to achieve a similar goal

Technically Phoenix was only involved because Bosphorus started shooting them. They didn't actually counter or help Anarchy.

I think seeing the same group of families move in two unrelated wars should tell you everything you need to know about this not being a pact. What you usually call "pact-behaviour" is a group of families working together with some "sidebloods" that are eventually "sold" during the cleanup. How would this version be any different if, let's say, this group is all that's left and then they kill some of their smaller members because they were just sidebloods?

I get your point, but if this is really a pact, although I'm against these shitty stuff, it's better to have 3 sides in a version than 2. This might change some game visions, I mean, maybe some more "pacts" might come up or the current ones might divide themselves, for instance like what happened with Aeterna this version. In the first war, we watched some of the powerhouses being shot and they standed, however it was a hell of a war and both sides standed. Now it's good to see that a third side is actually on

A third side is definitely good for the game, absolutely agree. It's the "We-are-Jesus"-behaviour that bothers me, and some of the ratios. Well, that and people actually falling for it. Let's see if this changes anything about the version length though, I have my doubts about that (and about whether that's even possible with the current playerbase size).

One last point: The fact that families have, in the past, been able to secure wins by letting two sides shoot each other and then simply cleaning the winner is what has probably lead to versions being generally two-sided. We shall see whether this version will be any different. There should be no free wins[1].

[1]: Except for when we win using extreme expert sheats or order akills, obviously.