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01-09 Admins strike again!
Author: Terencio
Last updated: 3163d 12h 12m 8s ago by Terencio
Comments: 96
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Version: 4.9
Involved families: colossal
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As we congratulated Colossal in being the first fam up, over 24 hours later we now see them go down in the hands of the admins, reason is due to sharing.

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War started on: 13:40:04 01-09-2015 War ended on: 13:48:04 01-09-2015
Bullet difference: -60,875 War duration: 8m
Money difference: -$82,652,489 Players died: 5




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Dead Families:
[Colossal] Family down on 13:41 01-09
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Sw As LC Ch Br CD GF Points
Colossal | swin: | assa: 3 | lc: 1 | chief: | brug: | cd: | gf: | points: 14
Total | swin: 0 | assa: 3 | lc: 1 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 14
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Anonymous (18:30:29 - 01-09)
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Anonymous at 18:20:23 on 01/09:
we cant understand how those guys got so far ahead of the other rankers, better just Akill them all. FLAWLESS LOGIC
You have no idea what admins know or not.
Anonymous (18:20:23 - 01-09)
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we cant understand how those guys got so far ahead of the other rankers, better just Akill them all. FLAWLESS LOGIC
Terencio Faroe Islands (18:17:10 - 01-09)
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Anonymous at 18:11:55 on 01/09:
Terencio at 17:40:08 on 01/09:
I have played .com many times, and most of the time page 1...last version i was ingame "orlando" i died at 88% lc by an suicider at that time I was #1 in rp. i was 10% ahead of #2 "ares" and was no more than 15-20% of #5-#10 and i tried with busting I had 50k or so and never seemed to get so far ahead, as others busted too...so for one person to be 1 whole rank ahead is virtually impossible, so for bruce to be akilled I wasn't shocked at all...but to see 3 other assa's join him, thats questionable.

Didn't you get a few akills yourself?

knew that was coming, i had one when i was don of gambino cant think of any others on .com
Anonymous (18:11:55 - 01-09)
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Terencio at 17:40:08 on 01/09:
I have played .com many times, and most of the time page 1...last version i was ingame "orlando" i died at 88% lc by an suicider at that time I was #1 in rp. i was 10% ahead of #2 "ares" and was no more than 15-20% of #5-#10 and i tried with busting I had 50k or so and never seemed to get so far ahead, as others busted too...so for one person to be 1 whole rank ahead is virtually impossible, so for bruce to be akilled I wasn't shocked at all...but to see 3 other assa's join him, thats questionable.

Didn't you get a few akills yourself?
Anonymous (17:56:41 - 01-09)
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The promotions of Gabriel were just absolutely fast. The gap was huge. In some kinda way those assassins must've been of influence. We don't know what the cheat was. Even if it was sharing, there is a limit on gaining rp at some point, this was just so much more rp then the other rankers, just unbelievable that this was legit. We never know how and what the other assassins did to get the akill. Maybe there is something? Those people will never open up the book, crew won't do that either, it will stay blanco.
Terencio Faroe Islands (17:40:08 - 01-09)
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I have played .com many times, and most of the time page 1...last version i was ingame "orlando" i died at 88% lc by an suicider at that time I was #1 in rp. i was 10% ahead of #2 "ares" and was no more than 15-20% of #5-#10 and i tried with busting I had 50k or so and never seemed to get so far ahead, as others busted too...so for one person to be 1 whole rank ahead is virtually impossible, so for bruce to be akilled I wasn't shocked at all...but to see 3 other assa's join him, thats questionable.
Terencio Faroe Islands (17:29:12 - 01-09)
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Anonymous at 17:04:44 on 01/09:
I agree on the fact that they, in some kinda way, must have proof before they akill people. Other way is, the ones they have to share the proof of cheating with, are also the ones who will come up with something to avoid that exact 'proof' a next time. So think about it if you really want the crew to show the proof. Ofcourse the 'victims' want to see proof. Just to know what mistake they made or come up with something to avoid that fact. Some of the victims in this case have history with cheating, I am sure they will use that shown proof to come up with something new, in this view I agree with the crew of not sharing it. Those cheaters will always cheat or find a way to cheat. Difficult subject where no one will agree with the other and hard to come up with a solution.

I think we can agree that Gabriel (and imo Luffy also) obviously did something. What exactly is the question, but it was a bit too obvious. Why make it so obvious, and also tempting for the crew to check up. I know that shitload of people cheat in whatever way, but I never understood the people who are pushing it to the limit and after the Akill start crying for evidence/proof.. Ofc, I have no proof of Gabriel's way of cheating, but I am ranking long enough to see that it wasn't legit.

Anyway, endless discussion about this subject, still waiting for the king with the golden solution. We all know crew has a huge shortage of people and a lack of knowledge, besides that some of them have attitude as big as the universe. We will never know exactly what happened, why, how..

I agree with what you said "pushing it to the limit"...lets me honest, Bruce could of easily been offline for a whole day or 2 and would most likely still be #1 in rp. I havn't played this version but judging from peoples comments regarding the matter on the akills it did seem impossible for 1 human to have such an ontime, and furthermore to this, be so far ahead...Never have i ever seen 3 ranks on page 1/2...it's virtually impossible, unless ofcourse you play .dm.

But with that said, Luffy hasn't been online for 8hrs, and has become more offline recently of late, is that down to the akills? maybe. or he did what he did to get so far ahead and isn't pushing the limit. no one will know.

Last but not least, more the comments from this article has been of bruce, one question remains is how much proof is there to determine the other assas (that got akilled) had any part in "helping" bruce. Cause from what i know, i can't see Murderinc helping bruce when hes busy on .nl and has his own fam .com to even think of helping others...also to that i know that some that were akilled in my opinion are fair.
Anonymous (17:04:44 - 01-09)
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I agree on the fact that they, in some kinda way, must have proof before they akill people. Other way is, the ones they have to share the proof of cheating with, are also the ones who will come up with something to avoid that exact 'proof' a next time. So think about it if you really want the crew to show the proof. Ofcourse the 'victims' want to see proof. Just to know what mistake they made or come up with something to avoid that fact. Some of the victims in this case have history with cheating, I am sure they will use that shown proof to come up with something new, in this view I agree with the crew of not sharing it. Those cheaters will always cheat or find a way to cheat. Difficult subject where no one will agree with the other and hard to come up with a solution.

I think we can agree that Gabriel (and imo Luffy also) obviously did something. What exactly is the question, but it was a bit too obvious. Why make it so obvious, and also tempting for the crew to check up. I know that shitload of people cheat in whatever way, but I never understood the people who are pushing it to the limit and after the Akill start crying for evidence/proof.. Ofc, I have no proof of Gabriel's way of cheating, but I am ranking long enough to see that it wasn't legit.

Anyway, endless discussion about this subject, still waiting for the king with the golden solution. We all know crew has a huge shortage of people and a lack of knowledge, besides that some of them have attitude as big as the universe. We will never know exactly what happened, why, how..
Anonymous (16:47:19 - 01-09)
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On a side note, Gabriel is still the owner of Detroit Blackjack. rofl!
Anonymous (16:27:29 - 01-09)
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all version the same shit :D


A.......kill all other familys...


let gaybino gayberia win the vers :D
Merton (16:16:56 - 01-09)
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You cheat, you get caught...
The lesson is never cheat.
Hettalent (15:56:56 - 01-09)
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Lol, i know the feels
MurderInc Austria (15:39:14 - 01-09)
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Anonymous at 15:31:52 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 15:26:53 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 15:12:49 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 15:05:10 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:54:09 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:42:32 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:32:59 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:28:33 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:25:58 on 01/09:
Presumption of innocence --> "Innocent until proven guilty"

The admins have no proof (they always say they have proof but they can't show you), in a trial for court you can't be convicted by a judge that says "yeah i convict you because i have proof but i can't show you the proof i'm sorry", that's not how it works.

I'm 100% against cheaters, but the fact that they rank and bust hard doesn't make them cheaters.

Admins should stop akilling people without showing proof of the cheating what is already happening for some versions.

Akill for cheaters fine, but proof they cheat fist before akiling them, not because they rank insanly hard and have a lot of bust outs.

(ps. and no i'm not from colossal)


its impossible for an human be on the time he was .....so if that cant proof nothing...your problm

There are more then 1 akill, gabriel had ontime of 81.70% (which is still doable if you don't work/go to school etc) But the other ontimes were:

Pancake --> 52.62%
Kriemheld --> 64.77%
Castiel --> 65.20%

Those other 3 ontimes doesn't same to be impossible to reach at all when ranking/busting hard, so what's your point?

Admins need to show proof before akilling

+1 this exactly akilling cheaters is good but not randomly, ontimes doesn't proof anything, use of teamviewer can't even be detected by an admin if they were using that at all, which doesn't have to be the case (I know several people that wake up every 3 hours to do a heist, and only bust on their own account and get 27.5+ bo's easily in 1 week) I'm very interested to see the proof the admins have instead, which we won't get sadly...

Killing cheaters is good, and admin akill the scripters also please, but show proof, otherwise it seems/and is in some cases so random.
hello bruce..
its not "use of teamviewer"..
its " using "

i'm not Bruce, i'm not even from colossal as i said earlier, you must enjoy the akill because another fam is involved, i do not enjoy them (even tho it is not my fam or blood).

I just see 4 people getting akilled without proof, that is wrong, this is already happening many versions, akills without proof and that has to change

Yes Gabriel was 24h ahead of eveyone and might have cheated, but admins don't show proof ever, so Gabriel probably also didn't get any proof and what about the other 3 that got akilled?

I just want the admins to show proof when they akill someone. Today it's colossal, tomorrow or next version it could be your fam,

Im fine with the admins not showing "proof", this isn't a court of law. Plus if they showed the proof then the scripters/cheats whateva can learn and adapt their style to not get caught the same way. Look at rankscript the description of that looks pretty much setup to hide ways the admins look for cheats.

Pretty simple Stay out of the grey area and you won't get akilled (most likely).

People put a lot of effort and time in this game, it maybe not be a court of law, but akilling nevertheless should be taken seriously towards your players.

If they really cheated ofcourse i'm fine with the akills, i don't like cheaters either, but what proof could they have to proof the cheating, that is more interesting question, not to give cheaters the opportunity to cheat better next time, but to know that admins really only akill cheaters with 100% proof, and not when they only suspect cheating.

But you can ask you the question how can they say the 4 accounts shared their accounts? (if they can't see that (not logged in from same IP/not 99% of the times same heist partners etc...) how can they akill people for that then?

If you really want to catch cheaters there is still a rankscript webiste active, the fact that it is still in the air means that people are still using it, probably not only a few, i never hear about akills for scripting, the last months it has always been for sharing, like with maraz and now with colossal


There is many ways to determine if someone is cheating,

I won't go too much into it just incase there is a few script kiddies out there, but its very possible to find scripters.
Yes, there are many ways to do that. And scripts are basically fully detectable on v5 (for now, it's always an arms race).

However, the akills in question were for sharing:
[16:03:01] <MurderInc> may i ask who i supposedly shared with then?
[16:04:27] <Laz|around> with your don
Anonymous (15:38:06 - 01-09)
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fucking crybaby's

Admins dont need to show proof, if they show whatever proof that makes them sure u cheat, u could use to avoid getting caught the next time.

seriously pretending to be a legit account :') sad sad sad

Anonymous (15:37:02 - 01-09)
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Anonymous at 15:31:52 on 01/09:

There is many ways to determine if someone is cheating,

I won't go too much into it just incase there is a few script kiddies out there, but its very possible to find scripters.

True, and it wouldn't be easy to counter that with a script.
You can say what you want about the devs/admins, but if you're good enough to code a game like omerta, you're good enough to code countermeasures.

Of course, some feedback (and IP-bans) would be fun...
Anonymous (15:31:52 - 01-09)
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Anonymous at 15:26:53 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 15:12:49 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 15:05:10 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:54:09 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:42:32 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:32:59 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:28:33 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:25:58 on 01/09:
Presumption of innocence --> "Innocent until proven guilty"

The admins have no proof (they always say they have proof but they can't show you), in a trial for court you can't be convicted by a judge that says "yeah i convict you because i have proof but i can't show you the proof i'm sorry", that's not how it works.

I'm 100% against cheaters, but the fact that they rank and bust hard doesn't make them cheaters.

Admins should stop akilling people without showing proof of the cheating what is already happening for some versions.

Akill for cheaters fine, but proof they cheat fist before akiling them, not because they rank insanly hard and have a lot of bust outs.

(ps. and no i'm not from colossal)


its impossible for an human be on the time he was .....so if that cant proof nothing...your problm

There are more then 1 akill, gabriel had ontime of 81.70% (which is still doable if you don't work/go to school etc) But the other ontimes were:

Pancake --> 52.62%
Kriemheld --> 64.77%
Castiel --> 65.20%

Those other 3 ontimes doesn't same to be impossible to reach at all when ranking/busting hard, so what's your point?

Admins need to show proof before akilling

+1 this exactly akilling cheaters is good but not randomly, ontimes doesn't proof anything, use of teamviewer can't even be detected by an admin if they were using that at all, which doesn't have to be the case (I know several people that wake up every 3 hours to do a heist, and only bust on their own account and get 27.5+ bo's easily in 1 week) I'm very interested to see the proof the admins have instead, which we won't get sadly...

Killing cheaters is good, and admin akill the scripters also please, but show proof, otherwise it seems/and is in some cases so random.
hello bruce..
its not "use of teamviewer"..
its " using "

i'm not Bruce, i'm not even from colossal as i said earlier, you must enjoy the akill because another fam is involved, i do not enjoy them (even tho it is not my fam or blood).

I just see 4 people getting akilled without proof, that is wrong, this is already happening many versions, akills without proof and that has to change

Yes Gabriel was 24h ahead of eveyone and might have cheated, but admins don't show proof ever, so Gabriel probably also didn't get any proof and what about the other 3 that got akilled?

I just want the admins to show proof when they akill someone. Today it's colossal, tomorrow or next version it could be your fam,

Im fine with the admins not showing "proof", this isn't a court of law. Plus if they showed the proof then the scripters/cheats whateva can learn and adapt their style to not get caught the same way. Look at rankscript the description of that looks pretty much setup to hide ways the admins look for cheats.

Pretty simple Stay out of the grey area and you won't get akilled (most likely).

People put a lot of effort and time in this game, it maybe not be a court of law, but akilling nevertheless should be taken seriously towards your players.

If they really cheated ofcourse i'm fine with the akills, i don't like cheaters either, but what proof could they have to proof the cheating, that is more interesting question, not to give cheaters the opportunity to cheat better next time, but to know that admins really only akill cheaters with 100% proof, and not when they only suspect cheating.

But you can ask you the question how can they say the 4 accounts shared their accounts? (if they can't see that (not logged in from same IP/not 99% of the times same heist partners etc...) how can they akill people for that then?

If you really want to catch cheaters there is still a rankscript webiste active, the fact that it is still in the air means that people are still using it, probably not only a few, i never hear about akills for scripting, the last months it has always been for sharing, like with maraz and now with colossal


There is many ways to determine if someone is cheating,

I won't go too much into it just incase there is a few script kiddies out there, but its very possible to find scripters.
Killerzzz Netherlands (15:31:39 - 01-09)
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wish there was a online counter in the old days enough of the people back then would have had a 90% online time just no sleep the first 2 days then sleep for 1.45 hour do your b/n crimes the rest of the day again.
Anonymous (15:26:53 - 01-09)
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Anonymous at 15:12:49 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 15:05:10 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:54:09 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:42:32 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:32:59 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:28:33 on 01/09:
Anonymous at 14:25:58 on 01/09:
Presumption of innocence --> "Innocent until proven guilty"

The admins have no proof (they always say they have proof but they can't show you), in a trial for court you can't be convicted by a judge that says "yeah i convict you because i have proof but i can't show you the proof i'm sorry", that's not how it works.

I'm 100% against cheaters, but the fact that they rank and bust hard doesn't make them cheaters.

Admins should stop akilling people without showing proof of the cheating what is already happening for some versions.

Akill for cheaters fine, but proof they cheat fist before akiling them, not because they rank insanly hard and have a lot of bust outs.

(ps. and no i'm not from colossal)


its impossible for an human be on the time he was .....so if that cant proof nothing...your problm

There are more then 1 akill, gabriel had ontime of 81.70% (which is still doable if you don't work/go to school etc) But the other ontimes were:

Pancake --> 52.62%
Kriemheld --> 64.77%
Castiel --> 65.20%

Those other 3 ontimes doesn't same to be impossible to reach at all when ranking/busting hard, so what's your point?

Admins need to show proof before akilling

+1 this exactly akilling cheaters is good but not randomly, ontimes doesn't proof anything, use of teamviewer can't even be detected by an admin if they were using that at all, which doesn't have to be the case (I know several people that wake up every 3 hours to do a heist, and only bust on their own account and get 27.5+ bo's easily in 1 week) I'm very interested to see the proof the admins have instead, which we won't get sadly...

Killing cheaters is good, and admin akill the scripters also please, but show proof, otherwise it seems/and is in some cases so random.
hello bruce..
its not "use of teamviewer"..
its " using "

i'm not Bruce, i'm not even from colossal as i said earlier, you must enjoy the akill because another fam is involved, i do not enjoy them (even tho it is not my fam or blood).

I just see 4 people getting akilled without proof, that is wrong, this is already happening many versions, akills without proof and that has to change

Yes Gabriel was 24h ahead of eveyone and might have cheated, but admins don't show proof ever, so Gabriel probably also didn't get any proof and what about the other 3 that got akilled?

I just want the admins to show proof when they akill someone. Today it's colossal, tomorrow or next version it could be your fam,

Im fine with the admins not showing "proof", this isn't a court of law. Plus if they showed the proof then the scripters/cheats whateva can learn and adapt their style to not get caught the same way. Look at rankscript the description of that looks pretty much setup to hide ways the admins look for cheats.

Pretty simple Stay out of the grey area and you won't get akilled (most likely).

People put a lot of effort and time in this game, it maybe not be a court of law, but akilling nevertheless should be taken seriously towards your players.

If they really cheated ofcourse i'm fine with the akills, i don't like cheaters either, but what proof could they have to proof the cheating, that is more interesting question, not to give cheaters the opportunity to cheat better next time, but to know that admins really only akill cheaters with 100% proof, and not when they only suspect cheating.

But you can ask you the question how can they say the 4 accounts shared their accounts? (if they can't see that (not logged in from same IP/not 99% of the times same heist partners etc...) how can they akill people for that then?

If you really want to catch cheaters there is still a rankscript webiste active, the fact that it is still in the air means that people are still using it, probably not only a few, i never hear about akills for scripting, the last months it has always been for sharing, like with maraz and now with colossal
MurderInc Austria (15:26:25 - 01-09)
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Anonymous at 15:15:36 on 01/09:
This isn't about politics kid. This is about inevitability. I believe you were warned with an ing msg earlier concerning your faith ;( too bad it came from the admins hand.

Oh and on the subject.. Unlegit Akills? Damn didn't think it was possible. Your fat ass was enjoying them couple versions ago tho meh
Oh please, don't act like some tough guy because you can buy and shoot 60k. Remember last version? All that effort, and we still finished the version with our bloods. Must've been sad to see for you.

And I know you wanna believe what you want to believe, but I always stated that your akills could be legit or not, I have no way of knowing. You accused us of somehow making admins akill you, which is laughable after today's events. And you were killed not because of your akill, but because of what you did afterwards.

But me sharing an account with Colossal, or specifically Bruce (which is what I am accused of)? If you have any integrity left, you will admit that that's just bullshit, as will everyone else with any kind of knowledge of ingame relations.
Anonymous (15:24:34 - 01-09)
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Need akill Luffy now !!! He is same..